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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 30 2013 02:23 GMT
#5821
Wyman Manderly is great in ADwD. Its kind of neat, the more you learn about all the different lords in the north, and you see all their castles and land, and hear about all the things they did, the more you come to realize just how powerful the Starks actually were. They controlled a ton of lords and ton of land.
=)=
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
April 30 2013 03:51 GMT
#5822
So... maybe I am just forgetful, but I don't remember a wedding between Cersei and Loras ever being planned in the books.

I really liked Jaime's scenes (again). And YAY, Qyburn!

Also surprised they bothered with Shireen. Wasn't expecting her at all, being such a minor character in the books. Patchface's song was good too (and about a billion times better than the rock version of the Bear and the Maiden Fair).
Cayn
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 03:55:48
April 30 2013 03:54 GMT
#5823
that cersei + loras wedding is just for the purpose so they don't need to introduce a minor charakter in the book it was an old tyrell she was supposed to marry if i remember correctly willas tyrell ?

ninjaedit: yeah almost remembered right http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Willas_Tyrell ^^
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
April 30 2013 04:14 GMT
#5824
Yeah, that sounds more like what I remember. The whole point that is different is that it was okay for that wedding to sorta hang around in the background and never happen because Willas was in highgarden. Meanwhile Loras is in King's Landing and if Sansa-Tyrion is being rushed (just as it was in the book), then why not also rush Cersei-Loras (unless they change it a bit and have Loras lead the siege on Dragonstone from earlier on and the wedding is set to be when he comes back).

Oh, and Selyse keeping her stillborn babies in jars of formaldehyde is pretty freaking creepy.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 30 2013 04:19 GMT
#5825
On April 30 2013 13:14 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, that sounds more like what I remember. The whole point that is different is that it was okay for that wedding to sorta hang around in the background and never happen because Willas was in highgarden. Meanwhile Loras is in King's Landing and if Sansa-Tyrion is being rushed (just as it was in the book), then why not also rush Cersei-Loras (unless they change it a bit and have Loras lead the siege on Dragonstone from earlier on and the wedding is set to be when he comes back).

Oh, and Selyse keeping her stillborn babies in jars of formaldehyde is pretty freaking creepy.


The show might have cersei convince loras to join the kingsguard, which would get her out of marrying him (i believe he already joined the kingsguard by this point in the books).
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 30 2013 05:05 GMT
#5826
Haven't seen the Greatjon in a while, I really hope they don't forget about him for the RW.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
April 30 2013 05:11 GMT
#5827
On April 30 2013 13:19 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 13:14 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, that sounds more like what I remember. The whole point that is different is that it was okay for that wedding to sorta hang around in the background and never happen because Willas was in highgarden. Meanwhile Loras is in King's Landing and if Sansa-Tyrion is being rushed (just as it was in the book), then why not also rush Cersei-Loras (unless they change it a bit and have Loras lead the siege on Dragonstone from earlier on and the wedding is set to be when he comes back).

Oh, and Selyse keeping her stillborn babies in jars of formaldehyde is pretty freaking creepy.


The show might have cersei convince loras to join the kingsguard, which would get her out of marrying him (i believe he already joined the kingsguard by this point in the books).

Yeah, I sorta assumed that was off the table since they pretty much removed willas and garlan from the lore. If he's the heir he really shouldn't be joining the kingsguard.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 30 2013 05:15 GMT
#5828
On April 30 2013 14:11 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 13:19 GGQ wrote:
On April 30 2013 13:14 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, that sounds more like what I remember. The whole point that is different is that it was okay for that wedding to sorta hang around in the background and never happen because Willas was in highgarden. Meanwhile Loras is in King's Landing and if Sansa-Tyrion is being rushed (just as it was in the book), then why not also rush Cersei-Loras (unless they change it a bit and have Loras lead the siege on Dragonstone from earlier on and the wedding is set to be when he comes back).

Oh, and Selyse keeping her stillborn babies in jars of formaldehyde is pretty freaking creepy.


The show might have cersei convince loras to join the kingsguard, which would get her out of marrying him (i believe he already joined the kingsguard by this point in the books).

Yeah, I sorta assumed that was off the table since they pretty much removed willas and garlan from the lore. If he's the heir he really shouldn't be joining the kingsguard.


the heirship would go to margaery which works just as well for the lannisters since joffrey's children would inherit.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 30 2013 05:36 GMT
#5829
Was hoping they would at least introduce Garlan, but oh well. I figured once Loras wore Renley's armor during Blackwater, Garlan most likely wouldn't be shown (including the fact that he hasn't been mentioned at all yet).
Forever Young
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
April 30 2013 06:26 GMT
#5830
Was Selmy in the high council or not, can't remember...I would say yes, and that he lied to Jorah just to play with him a bit more.
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
April 30 2013 06:32 GMT
#5831
On April 30 2013 14:36 sung_moon wrote:
Was hoping they would at least introduce Garlan, but oh well. I figured once Loras wore Renley's armor during Blackwater, Garlan most likely wouldn't be shown (including the fact that he hasn't been mentioned at all yet).


Same, I really liked Garlan.
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
April 30 2013 07:41 GMT
#5832
On April 30 2013 15:26 Odoakar wrote:
Was Selmy in the high council or not, can't remember...I would say yes, and that he lied to Jorah just to play with him a bit more.


He is in the books, not in the show
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
April 30 2013 07:50 GMT
#5833
Doesn't Selmy know about Jorah betraying Dany? The scene with Selmy and Jorah looked to me like Jorah was kinda trying to figure out whether Selmy knows anything.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 30 2013 08:08 GMT
#5834
On April 30 2013 15:32 armada[sb] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 14:36 sung_moon wrote:
Was hoping they would at least introduce Garlan, but oh well. I figured once Loras wore Renley's armor during Blackwater, Garlan most likely wouldn't be shown (including the fact that he hasn't been mentioned at all yet).


Same, I really liked Garlan.


Likewise, he's one of my favorite minor characters. Unfortunately he doesn't do enough to warrant being in the show at this point.


On April 30 2013 14:15 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 14:11 Acrofales wrote:
On April 30 2013 13:19 GGQ wrote:
On April 30 2013 13:14 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, that sounds more like what I remember. The whole point that is different is that it was okay for that wedding to sorta hang around in the background and never happen because Willas was in highgarden. Meanwhile Loras is in King's Landing and if Sansa-Tyrion is being rushed (just as it was in the book), then why not also rush Cersei-Loras (unless they change it a bit and have Loras lead the siege on Dragonstone from earlier on and the wedding is set to be when he comes back).

Oh, and Selyse keeping her stillborn babies in jars of formaldehyde is pretty freaking creepy.


The show might have cersei convince loras to join the kingsguard, which would get her out of marrying him (i believe he already joined the kingsguard by this point in the books).

Yeah, I sorta assumed that was off the table since they pretty much removed willas and garlan from the lore. If he's the heir he really shouldn't be joining the kingsguard.


the heirship would go to margaery which works just as well for the lannisters since joffrey's children would inherit.


Yea, I can't see how the Tyrell's would let that happen. Olenna is supposed to be smart, it would seem silly for her to let the only male heir (in the show) join the kingsgaurd, while the female next in line is betrothed to a lannister. I'm curious how the show is going to work it all out
=)=
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4602 Posts
April 30 2013 08:24 GMT
#5835
Easily...
No one sees it coming.
Cersei convince the king to make add Loras to the king's guards.
He would automatically accept. He is gay, so even if he knows about the marriage, he might prefer to dodge. Olenna, powerful as she is, can't out-power the king.
If she doesn't strategically brief Loras, then he will accept, if she brief him, she needs to know about wedding plans. The wedding is Tywin's private knowledge.
Cersei destroys Tywin's plan, the irony... "you are not as smart as you think you are"...
But all these things doesn't matter, as the situation reset after Joffrey's wedding.

As for the 3 fetus jar, it's obvious leaches are less likely to be burned than the fetuses. I think this is more awesome than just leaches from a bastard nephew (was the leach blood even from him?)...
Anyway the whole point of the thing in the book, was to have this kind of feeling that Mellissandre is totally out of her mind... Human sacrifices, Davos to jail... Then she starts to free the guy, use leaches instead of a sacrifice and slowly starts to seem like a reasonable person that Stannis understand a bit wrong.
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
April 30 2013 08:43 GMT
#5836
On April 30 2013 07:10 Ender985 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 02:56 armada[sb] wrote:
On April 30 2013 02:26 TheFish7 wrote:
The creepy song that was sung at the closing credits was Patchface's song and dance about birds living under the ocean and shadows coming out to dance. I wonder if we'll meet patchface in the show and I wonder how significant he is going to be down the line in the books.


I assumed, judging by the fact that Shireen was singing the songs, that patchface was cut.


Yeah, I read it like another nod to the book readers, like when Cersei said to Tyrion "I had heard half your nose was cut off!". Never thought Patchface had any relevance in the books except for a bit of foreshadowing, and I thing Shireen may play some role at the wall in book 6, so it makes sense to introduce her and not him. In the show it's clear that she will be the one teaching Davos how to read, which is an ok change.


Meh, I wanted Patchface in, just to see how creepy they'd make him :/ Also, I'd be somewhat disappointed if they just somewhat spoiler the non-importance of Patchface for the rest of the novels
ZerO, Action, Neo.G_Soulkey & FlaSh fanboy~~
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 30 2013 09:05 GMT
#5837
He can always appear later.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 30 2013 09:23 GMT
#5838
On April 30 2013 17:43 hns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 07:10 Ender985 wrote:
On April 30 2013 02:56 armada[sb] wrote:
On April 30 2013 02:26 TheFish7 wrote:
The creepy song that was sung at the closing credits was Patchface's song and dance about birds living under the ocean and shadows coming out to dance. I wonder if we'll meet patchface in the show and I wonder how significant he is going to be down the line in the books.


I assumed, judging by the fact that Shireen was singing the songs, that patchface was cut.


Yeah, I read it like another nod to the book readers, like when Cersei said to Tyrion "I had heard half your nose was cut off!". Never thought Patchface had any relevance in the books except for a bit of foreshadowing, and I thing Shireen may play some role at the wall in book 6, so it makes sense to introduce her and not him. In the show it's clear that she will be the one teaching Davos how to read, which is an ok change.


Meh, I wanted Patchface in, just to see how creepy they'd make him :/ Also, I'd be somewhat disappointed if they just somewhat spoiler the non-importance of Patchface for the rest of the novels

Patchface as a character is obviously unimportant, however his prophetic songs and rhymes are important. Patchface being the actual embodiment of the great other is a silly idea. He might be his prophet/speaking pipe or w/e. But more likely just some prophetic songs Martin seen fit to give to a drowned half wit.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
April 30 2013 09:27 GMT
#5839
On April 30 2013 16:50 Conti wrote:
Doesn't Selmy know about Jorah betraying Dany? The scene with Selmy and Jorah looked to me like Jorah was kinda trying to figure out whether Selmy knows anything.


Yeah, he does
Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
April 30 2013 09:33 GMT
#5840
On April 30 2013 10:27 Rnevermore wrote:
Oh, and a little prediction when it comes to the fetuses in jars. Anyone else think that instead of using leaches for melisandre's curse, they'll burn the fetuses and curse balon, Joffrey and Robb? Anyone else with me on this?



I think you are spot on, I didn't think of that I think that would suprise many of us!
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