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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
On April 23 2013 13:42 domane wrote: Like many people have stated, I think Ros will be killed in place of Dontos (also for double-crossing Littlefinger) next season. I hope so. I'm tired of her character. But then again, I could see the show writers leaving her in through the whole series. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:29 Doctorbeat wrote: This is entirely false. GRRM already knows how the story will end, along with the broad strokes of the story arcs of the major characters. He even already told Dan and David how the story will end, in case he dies. I keep hearing this. Is there any actual source for this or is it just something people keep repeating because they heard it somewhere else? | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 23 2013 18:45 zatic wrote: I keep hearing this. Is there any actual source for this or is it just something people keep repeating because they heard it somewhere else? I'll try to dig up the interview, it is true. Problem is i've seen like 30 with GRRM, and he only mentioned it once i believe. not the one i had in mind, but> http://collider.com/game-of-thrones-season-3-4-george-r-r-martin-interview/ "Who do you want to be on the Iron Throne, at the end of the story? MARTIN: I know who’s going to be on the throne, at the end, so I better not say. But, there will be a few people sitting on it, before the end. WEISS: George has told us the answer" | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1961 Posts
Found it: He asked them if they had read the books and then, who they thought who Jons mother was. They gave the right answer. This particular conversation starts at around 3:00. Later in the interview, they talk about them knowing the rest of the story. @52 minutes, the producers state, that they know who will st on the throne. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:46 Irrelevant Label wrote: In related news, + Show Spoiler + Littlefinger might not be the most trustworthy person around. ...Except he almost can't be a bastard because three of the kingsguard wouldn't have been there guarding his mother if he was. To warrant that, and particularly at that point in the war, they more or less had to think he was one of the remaining heirs to the dynasty. Howland is indeed quite competent to have somehow carried Ned's injured ass to victory against the sword of the morning though. Maybe Arthur was already maimed or something. Maybe Howland is a genius with that frog spear. The junk about Howland skinchanging into him and making him lose is wild speculation, there is no reason to give it any credit. Bastard just means the parents weren't married. Which I doubt they were at that time since I don't see the purpose of marrying in secret when Rheagar already had a wife. It's just as wild speculation to assume Howland is a skilled fighter as it is to assume he warged. We don't even know if the three of them were the only people standing when he saved Ned. For all we know Ned slipped on a rock in the first seconds of the engagement and Howland distracted Arthur for a few seconds. Not likely, just to make my point. For the same reason we don't know if Ned and Howland were the two worst fighters on the team. Again I'm exaggerating but being the survivors doesn't prove you were the best, just that you were lucky. On April 23 2013 13:42 domane wrote: Like many people have stated, I think Ros will be killed in place of Dontos (also for double-crossing Littlefinger) next season. Dontos never doublecrossed littlefinger. He was just a loose end. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
It will also be interesting to see how they deal with Littlefinger taking Sansa when both Varys and the Tyrells know he is interested on the show, but no one in the books even sends searchers to the vale because they don't suspect him at all. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On April 23 2013 22:05 karazax wrote: It will also be interesting to see how they deal with Littlefinger taking Sansa when both Varys and the Tyrells know he is interested on the show, but no one in the books even sends searchers to the vale because they don't suspect him at all. I've been wondering about this as well. At this point in the story Littlefinger is planning to abduct her, and apparently isn't doing a good job hiding it. All things in the show indicate that he'd gonna travel to the eyrie very soon. So what is up? How will Sansa even have time to marry Tyrion before going? I'm guessing she won't, which will be a damn shame. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 23 2013 23:11 Vorenius wrote: I've been wondering about this as well. At this point in the story Littlefinger is planning to abduct her, and apparently isn't doing a good job hiding it. All things in the show indicate that he'd gonna travel to the eyrie very soon. So what is up? How will Sansa even have time to marry Tyrion before going? I'm guessing she won't, which will be a damn shame. Well, in my opinion we're just seeing a lot of things that were happening behind the scenes in ASoS. I'm almost convinced that Varys (and possibly Lady Olenna) knew about Littlefinger's obsession during that time, we just never got to see as much of them in the books as we do now. It's entirely likely that book!Varys knows exactly where Sansa is, but was letting her stay there for his own reasons. He also disappeared at the end of the book, so it's not like he could have revealed her location after Tyrion's escape either. If book!Olenna knows about where she is, what motivation do the Tyrells have to give her up to the Lannisters when they'll probably just execute her? As for marrying Tyrion, it'll probably move exactly how it did in the book. Tyrells (and apparently Varys) plot for her to marry Loras/Willas -> Lannisters find out -> force the Tyrion/Sansa marriage. The fact that Dontos isn't involved doesn't have much to do with it. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On April 23 2013 23:11 Vorenius wrote: I've been wondering about this as well. At this point in the story Littlefinger is planning to abduct her, and apparently isn't doing a good job hiding it. All things in the show indicate that he'd gonna travel to the eyrie very soon. So what is up? How will Sansa even have time to marry Tyrion before going? I'm guessing she won't, which will be a damn shame. Perhaps Littlefinger will have to go alone to avoid whatever suspicions, and has Ros bring her later in place of Dontos? | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On April 23 2013 20:38 risk.nuke wrote: I meant Ros = Dontos + traitor.Dontos never doublecrossed littlefinger. He was just a loose end. | ||
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Maxyim
430 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:10 Eishi_Ki wrote: An interesting point about Rhaegar though is initially you're brought to believe he is actually a bad guy not unlike his father. His name actually lends itself to this theory too as it sounds bestial, like a tyrants name. You're also brought to believe he kidnapped Lyanna. However, through descriptions, he has only ever been described as being the perfect king of Westeros; kind, caring, compassionate and despising of war and conflict. Now we as readers don't know per se which version is true not not unlike the subtle hints towards Loras and Renly, having the TV show prove that Rhaegar was all those things would dispel the mystery of him and the ambiguity about his character and relationship with Lyanna. I love the idea of seeing Robert's Rebellion but some things are better left to your imagination until they are properly dealt with in the books (The Tower of Joy) Er, not sure which books you are reading but Rhaegar was never King of Westeros. Also, considering that Rhaegar was the one who started Robert's Rebellion, I would hardly call him "compassionate and despising of war and conflict." More like "selfish spoiled brat." On April 23 2013 09:46 Irrelevant Label wrote: In related news, + Show Spoiler + Littlefinger might not be the most trustworthy person around. ...Except he almost can't be a bastard because three of the kingsguard wouldn't have been there guarding his mother if he was. To warrant that, and particularly at that point in the war, they more or less had to think he was one of the remaining heirs to the dynasty. Howland is indeed quite competent to have somehow carried Ned's injured ass to victory against the sword of the morning though. Maybe Arthur was already maimed or something. Maybe Howland is a genius with that frog spear. The junk about Howland skinchanging into him and making him lose is wild speculation, there is no reason to give it any credit. It was 3v7. Considering that in real life, you cannot exactly zerg 3 highly competent swordfighters fighting back-to-back, we can expect that each man involved was a fighter of great skill, particularly the two who were able to walk / be carried away. Although I do see how a spear may have been helpful in a 2v1 context. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On April 24 2013 00:07 Maxyim wrote: Er, not sure which books you are reading but Rhaegar was never King of Westeros. Also, considering that Rhaegar was the one who started Robert's Rebellion, I would hardly call him "compassionate and despising of war and conflict." More like "selfish spoiled brat." He has been described as someone who would be a good king of westoros. He just chose his heart over his head a la Rob Stark. I'm sure you can find something about both of those you don't like, but people will generally be sympathetic towards both. | ||
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
On April 23 2013 23:11 Vorenius wrote: I've been wondering about this as well. At this point in the story Littlefinger is planning to abduct her, and apparently isn't doing a good job hiding it. All things in the show indicate that he'd gonna travel to the eyrie very soon. So what is up? How will Sansa even have time to marry Tyrion before going? I'm guessing she won't, which will be a damn shame. I agree this is happening too soon, she needs to disappear after marying Tyrion but Littlefinger seems like he is going to depart for the Eire next episode or so. My take is that he will take someone else with thim in this boat, like Ross, to make a fool out of her, Varys and Olenna, and proceed to rescue Sansa in the season finale out of the blue. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
Jayne wasn't betrothed to a high lord of a major political family. The entire rebellion was a combination of Rhaegar "kidnapping" Lyanna + his psycho father killing Ned's family as a followup. | ||
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adiga
495 Posts
On April 23 2013 23:30 TheFish7 wrote: I have a feeling that Sansa needs to marry Tyrion and that there will be implications of this down the line. I mean doesn't that make Tyrion Lord of Winterfell with Bran and Rickon assumed dead? Nice try mate, but it's the spoiler thread... Please ban this guy before he posts this on the TV thread. User was warned for this post Edit: changed the spoiler free thread... I guess my minds week spot is English -.- | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 24 2013 00:07 Maxyim wrote: Er, not sure which books you are reading but Rhaegar was never King of Westeros. Also, considering that Rhaegar was the one who started Robert's Rebellion, I would hardly call him "compassionate and despising of war and conflict." More like "selfish spoiled brat." It was 3v7. Considering that in real life, you cannot exactly zerg 3 highly competent swordfighters fighting back-to-back, we can expect that each man involved was a fighter of great skill, particularly the two who were able to walk / be carried away. Although I do see how a spear may have been helpful in a 2v1 context. There is a theory, that Reed was actually a powerful warg himself, and the 3 kingsguard would have killed them, beating the odds, we know it came down to 2v1, and Ned injured to make it worse, so some people speculate that Reed tried to take over Dayne's body (like Bran could actually hop into Hodor )and gave Ned the opening to slay him, and he's been severly damaged in the process, that's why we do not see him anymore around, even when his old friend is in dire need, and every lord from the North marches with Robb | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On April 24 2013 01:02 adiga wrote: Nice try mate, but it's the spoiler free thread... Please ban this guy before he posts this on the TV thread. Wait what? :s I'm confused. | ||
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Maxyim
430 Posts
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adiga
495 Posts
Yeah my bad, edited, but what I was trying to say is that he obviously wanted to post that on the other thread and that looks fishy because: 1. The probability to make the mistake of posting it here is kind of low and 2. The posts content is a bit fishy because as of this moment no one watching the show can reach to that conclusion. | ||
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