[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 276

On April 23 2013 02:45 B1nary wrote:
Isn't it sort of a dick move to fool some guy into selling you an army and then using the army to kill his people and sack his city?

On April 23 2013 04:15 DeepElemBlues wrote:


All we know is that Dany will be riding Drogon over the Trident fighting the wight-king, if that vision in the House of the Undying comes true like the other ones. She couldn't see the riders of Viserion and Rhaegal. And Jon Snow being Rhaegar's son is just a theory with popularity because oh he's Jon Snow and the internet just looooooooooooves him. He doesn't have to be Rhaegar's son to be Azor Ahai reborn, which he probably is. There's no guarantee that Dany will survive the battle or the aftermath. It's pretty flippant to just go "yeah GRRM really is that transparent" because he isn't.

On April 23 2013 04:25 Requizen wrote:

Not transparent, he has a way of hiding his intentions. However, both Jon and Dany share some similarities in their stories. Both are pretty much completely disconnected from any other storyline (only Sam and Melisandre have connected with Jon, Tyrion and Victarion will likely connect with Dany soon), both deal more heavily in the magical/mythological aspects of the world, and both are obviously headed more towards the "endgame" than any other story.

While it would be amusing for both of them to just die to troll readers with chapters and chapters that went nowhere, the likelyhood is that they at least are going to be the driving forces between the final arc of the series. Whether that means they survive and become true king and queen is another matter. Would be a bit cliche, but who knows.

On April 23 2013 04:43 Maxyim wrote:


I guess that we can at least speculate regarding the riders of the other two dragons. I'll put money on Tyrion on one of them. :D

On April 23 2013 03:29 moopie wrote:
She does need to be killed, she's needed to be killed since Drogo died and her plans went to shit.

Alas, she has impenetrable plot armor and cant be killed till she at least interacts with some of the other PoVs. If GRRM killed her now the past 3 books worth of dany chapters would have been for nothing. I mean, thousands of pages of boring, never-ending stories that are pretty much completely separate from all the other PoVs. killing her off will just make readers even more mad cause they had to bear though it for nothing (it may as well have been a stand-alone book). at least Viserys didn't pretend to give a shit about people and was upfront about being a dick.

On April 23 2013 04:45 Requizen wrote:

Dany/Jon/Tyrion is too wish-fulfillment for GRRM imo

On April 23 2013 05:06 Maxyim wrote:


While normally I would agree, bear in mind that GRRM has already bastardized his intellectual property not once, not twice, but three times to terribad game studios. We can expect that, at this point, he is fully on board with his Hollywood overlords, and is more than willing to let the TV show guide all further new content.

On April 23 2013 03:34 moopie wrote:

How was Rhaegar honorable? he cheated on his wife (whether or not Lyanna loved him and them eloping was mutual or not, he was still married at the time). He left his wife and 2 kids for Lyanna.

If he was honorable, he'd probably be king now because Robert and Ned would have had no reason to rebel.

From what people tell of Rhaegar, he was a good guy, who over time became a fanatic obsessed with a prophecy and wanted a 3rd kid for the "dragon has 3 heads". Seems like a Targ to me.

On April 23 2013 05:59 Ender985 wrote:
I think out of all PoV's, Danny is pretty much the only one that has not been maimed in any way. Ok, she was pretty much forced by Drogo at the beginning, but that did not seem to have any lasting effects on her. I am thinkin she will not die, but she is likely to suffer a very big blow soon, something like turning her irreversibly blind or something to that effect, that prevents her from being able to fly Drogon. That would be a typical GRRM's twist that would bring some much needed depth to her otherwise pretty plain and boring character.

On April 23 2013 06:56 kafkaesque wrote:
I haven't seen the second season, so I'm confused how they introduced Ramsay (then posing to be Reek).

Didn't he give Theon the tip to kill the millers' kids and didn't he basically save Theon's ass from the Northeners (if only for a second)? How did Theon "defend" Winterfell without Reek's undermining Rodrick Cassel's army?

On April 23 2013 07:00 Requizen wrote:

Ramsay wasn't in S2. Basically Dagmer filled his role in taking Winterfell and staging the execution of the Stark boys, and then the Ironborn turned on Theon when he tried to not surrender or run away during the final siege. They left him unconcious and alone in Winterfell, where he was presumably taken by the Boltons. This is the first we see of Ramsay other than a passing mention by Roose in S2.`

On April 23 2013 05:03 itkovian wrote:


I would honestly find that hilarious and amazing. She wastes book after book toiling around on the wrong continent, and then dies before she can make it over the narrow sea. It would be such a great twist. But as it is now, I agree that she seems to basically be invincible due to the nature of her story.

On April 23 2013 06:50 zmsFlood wrote:
No way Jaime's gonna die imo. I have the feeling that he's gonna have a big part to play later in the story, and that he's in the end going to defy his father in some way.

On April 23 2013 06:37 Strut wrote:


She just flew Drogon for the very first time in the very last few pages in the last chapter of the last book. I doubt GRRM is going to immediately take that away. What's made her plain and boring is ignoring her dragons for the last 3 books and dicking around in the slave cities. I think you're right in predicting her getting maimed somehow in the future, just doubt it will happen as soon. And I do think she'll die, there's no reason to keep her alive by the time the series ends, since she can't have children.

On April 23 2013 07:49 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Where did the show watchers get the impression that Ned was really good with a sword? And why are the same people doubting Jaime? How do you say "Ned is one of the best because he could stand up to Jaime" and "Jaime isn't that good."? That is straight doublethink.

This is ignoring the issue of even the show in it's own way establishing Jaime as better with Ned being hunkered down in a defensive stance and desperate while Jaime danced around toying with him, or the DvD bonus content and GRRM/D&D mentioning that Jaime is a prodigy with a sword, and of course book related knowledge.

On April 23 2013 08:00 Maxyim wrote:


It's a pity that they did not have the budget for a fight between him and the Sword of the Morning, although I wonder if they will retcon the character in a flashback when they start setting the stage for Jon Snow's true parentage.