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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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On March 27 2013 03:12 itkovian wrote: My friend just showed me this. What do you guys think? nicely done, but no... The letter writing thing is interesting sort of, like really, whom she needs to write to, but the rest, very circumstential, and really more than likely are simple mistakes like so many in the show when they change stuff around. Accent, customs, honorifiics, all of that can be picked up rather easily, she doesnt claim that she just arrived to westeros or anything. her interaction with other characters are really hard-forced to fit the theory. If she's a master-spy/deciever why would she fear Catlyn any more than the rest? On the other hand a girl might very welll be anxious about her crush's mother, who happens to have a marriage arranged for her son. And Roose Bolton just no, the "are you fucking kidding me" in his eyes as he looks at Robb when Talisa interrupts them is fairly visible. I would list Tywin's character as a counter-argument as he's unlikely to put the faith of this war on the seductive powers of his bannerman's daughter, but they dont really respect character integrity, so w/e The tiger-triarch and the silk thing are just flat-out ridiculous/funny. And as others have said it, no need to disect the evidence, since the show runners wont do such a thing. One, they emphasize romance, two, they are not subtle at all. Loras+Renly was one of the not-so-subtle secrets in the books, and they put gay sex scenes in every third episode. They wont take one of the least likely theories (even if they could get confirmation from Martin) and just dump it at the end of the season, with very little to no build-up. I mean, in S3 they might still build up towards that, but as of now, the only thing is the letter-writing, which can be explained as a random activity an intelligent woman could have.... | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On March 27 2013 03:28 chisuri wrote: Look like I'm late to the party but I want to ask if any of you found the Red Wedding unexpected. I mean the moment Robb did some absolutely treacherous act like forsaking his promise with Frey I knew that he would pay for it. And when he beheaded the Karstark old man who had ridden with him and lost so many sons for Starks' course I knew that asshole Robb would die horribly in the future. When the old man Frey who was like the manifestation of cruelty and pettiness easily accepted the renew proposal I had the answer for the manner of Robb's death. It is so obvious yet sometimes (not here, I haven't read the whole thread) it is referred to as a great twist or something along that line. I don't think it is. Robb was losing and dying based on all indications: his army and allegiance were falling apart while he was trapped by two flanks of ironmen and Lannisters (which at that time had added the Tyrells and Dorne, completely overwhelmed the pity army of Robb). If I were Robb, the moment I heard the news from Winterfell (the castle falling and his brothers' death) I would do everything to strengthen every allied I had left, not to have fun with a girl and proceed to break the pact with the Freys and destroy the last hope of recovery, let alone winning the war. Having said that, what is your opinion on Robb? I think he is an undeserving king and leader of the Stark. His father died a honorable death, foolish but staying true to his friend and chivarlous to those who deversed forgiveness (Cercei and her children, they were a woman and children after all). On the other hand, Robb betrayed almost everyone who was good to him and had risked everything for him. Hell, book 4 and 5 were painful to read for me, witnessing the humiliation and ordeal of Northern people and families under the hands of Lannisters, Boltons and ironmen. Robb was supposed to protect them, not letting them be tortured for his fouls. He should have tried to come to terms with the Lannisters and come back to retrieve the North. Instead he pressed on when everything was lost and paid for that, deservingly I may add, but the consequences for those noble, loyal and heroic families of the North gave me so much distaste. Anyone here found Robb sympathetic and what are your reasons for that? Are you sure you're reading the same books? He beheaded Karstark for disobeying his king and killing two rather important hostages for the sake of revenge, not justice. After Catelyn released Jaime, Karstark was at best unpredictable and at worst outright rebellious. A king has to do what a king has to do. His allies were just fine right up until he marries Jeyne, which is obviously his downfall. But you describe it as "having fun with a girl and proceed to break the pact." Is that honestly how you saw it? The way it's portrayed in the books is a 16 year old young man is wounded and nursed back to health by a pretty young noblewoman, and seeks her comfort when he discovers his two little brothers have been brutally murdered by his (former) best friend. Then, not wanting to besmirch her honor, marries her on the spot and breaks his promise. It was indeed regrettable from a political standpoint, but it doesn't make him a despicable person. So Cersei deserves forgiveness and Robb doesn't? What reality are you living in? If there is anything that GRRM drives home in the books, it's that the "women and children are weak" assumption doesn't really hold up. Cersei is probably the character least deserving of forgiveness in all the books, which makes what befalls her in Book 4 so damn delicious to watch unfold. The kids I will agree with, except for Joffrey, because they are just kids and for the most part are sweet. The suffering you see of Northern families is a result of Roose Bolton's betrayal, not Robb Stark's. Without Bolton's assistance, the Freys would never have been able to pull off the Red Wedding, and Robb may well have retaken the North and then made a bid for peace from that stronghold, since with winter coming it would be impossible for the Lannisters to achieve peace by conquest, even with the power of Highgarden. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
http://cultural-learnings.com/2013/03/25/review-game-of-thrones-season-3/ http://variety.com/2013/tv/reviews/tv-review-game-of-thrones-1200328848/ | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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yeah, though i could have sworn that it's Hot pie on the clip's preview picture when i first saw it | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On March 30 2013 18:47 Lylat wrote: I got bored at page 400 in the 5th book (it's ~1/3 of the book) a couple of month ago. I'm thinking about starting reading it again, is it worth it ? :p The next third of the book are about as boring (although there is some stuff revealed that is pretty cool). But the story considerably picks up its "density of interesting things happening" in the last third of the book, especially the last 150 or so pages. | ||
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
I found it very good as well. Depicts the audience expectations perfectly! | ||
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moopie
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micronesia
United States24753 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + at the beginning when Ned stops the blade | ||
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
"We are going to fight white walkers like, all the time now" "Cool!!" And Tyrion of House Halfman riding a Dragon.. along with Jon xD It makes you see how unlikely it is for Danny to marry Jon and rule Westeros, as many people have hoped will happen. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 30 2013 22:59 Ender985 wrote: For those who have not seen it yet: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6880313/game-of-thrones-wish-fulfillment I found it very good as well. Depicts the audience expectations perfectly! actually those 3 might end up being the 3 heads of the dragon and Theon gets a lot worse, so.. :D Love the "Kill him more!" line  | ||
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Advocado
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micronesia
United States24753 Posts
On March 30 2013 23:46 Advocado wrote: When is the next book planned for the game of throne series? This is hard to predict but hopefully a year or two. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 30 2013 23:52 micronesia wrote: This is hard to predict but hopefully a year or two. definetly not this year or the next, hopefully 2015 but that s almost too much to ask for < based on his interview answers, he doesnt really give a straight one. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On March 30 2013 22:59 Ender985 wrote: For those who have not seen it yet: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6880313/game-of-thrones-wish-fulfillment I found it very good as well. Depicts the audience expectations perfectly! Should have left Theon exactly how the books handle him, but I guess it has to be aimed at the non-readers and they wouldn't have gotten it if Ned stopped himself and just let things play out with Ramsay showing up at the end of the shot. They got the dragons color-to-rider assignments wrong, forgot to make Syrio and Jaqen the same person, left Barristan and future Arya out of the westerosi expendables part, and failed to depict either King Hodor or Baelish at the end. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
On March 30 2013 23:46 Advocado wrote: When is the next book planned for the game of throne series? Martin said he would finish TWOW in three years optimistically, and that was said in 2011, equaling 2014. But knowing GRRM-time, I'm estimating more around mid 2015 to possibly 2016 because Martin said there would always be the possibility of being unable to finish in the desired time-frame. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 31 2013 04:00 PhoenixVoid wrote: Martin said he would finish TWOW in three years optimistically, and that was said in 2011, equaling 2014. But knowing GRRM-time, I'm estimating more around mid 2015 to possibly 2016 because Martin said there would always be the possibility of being unable to finish in the desired time-frame. The most alarming thing he said in a recent interview, i think with Wic.net, that whenever he has to travel or handle something else somewhere, it's hard to come back, and it takes a couple of days of not really progressing to get "in the zone" when he can write a lot. And looking at his scheduele, which i dont really have, but last year alone he visited at least a dozen countries, not to count US states, made at least 100 booksignings, readings, talkshows and shit, plus his involvement with the show, plus his fucktone of other random projects that now have a lot of attention because of his name... So as i said, 2015 is almost wishing for too much. I mean it took 6 fckin years for ADWD and a good chunk of that was written at the moment AFFC was published, and only in the last maybe 2 years of that period did he get all the attention and busy scheduele i was talking about earlier. | ||
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