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On March 05 2013 07:20 karazax wrote: Here are some of the unconfirmed rumored changes for season 3 from the book to the show are below. Potential spoilers obviously if you don't want to know about the changes, and I don't know how accurate any of them are, though he was pretty accurate on his list for season 2.
• King's Landing: The biggest changes of the year will be in King's Landing. Since Joff's wedding will be in Season 4, the importance of the Lannister/Tyrell maneuvering over who Sansa will marry will be greatly elevated and expanded. It will climax with the Sansa/Tyrion marriage in Episode 8. While this is not confirmed, it seems very likely that the Queen of Thorns will try to marry Sansa and Loras (to his chagrin), rather than Sansa and Willas. We also know there will be many invented scenes so the various Tyrell characters can share scenes with the various Lannisters and Sansa. Also, there will be a subplot with Ros (big surprise). Speculation has Ros as, in some way, a substitution for Dontos, who has been cut from the season.
Sad to see them skimp on the Tyrell characters. I couldn't find any mention of them casting Mace. And if that's true, its even less likely they casted Garlan. Which sucks, because Garlan is one of my favorite characters in the series. Hopefully they cast him for Season 4, because that's when Joff's wedding will be, and I love when Garlan chides Joff for being a dick to Tyrion, and I can't imagine anyone else who is the show that would stand up for Tyrion like that, even in such a small way.
On March 05 2013 07:30 SpiZe wrote: If Talisa dies at the Red Wedding this puts an end to theories that stated that Robb may have had a son/daugther since GRRM would have told them not to kill her if this was the case. Seems like we will have a lot of Dany sequence as well.
The thing about Sansa's marriage should be very interesting, I like it. Although I don't understand how Loras can marry if he is in the kingsguard ???
Ya, really sad about Robb's not having an heir . Even though his heir would probably not have any effect on the books at all, it just seems kind of cruel to smash that last faint hope of something good going for him.
In a completely unrelated topic, is anyone else curious about how the show will handle the theon --> reek transformation? Before the trailer was released I was kind of hoping they would cast someone else (who looks similar to the current actor) as theon and horribly disfigure him like in the books. That way viewers would be kind of kept in the dark like the readers were, until someone mentions his true identity. Based on the trailer though, it doesn't seem like they will go with a "surprise" approach anymore.
Mostly makes sense considering known changes. The most interesting one is Talisa since that pretty well puts to rest book theories about Jeyne being important in the future.
The character merges are all entirely predictable given the previously established ones and the known omissions from the cast for season 3.
Interesting to know that the Unsullied are only half way.
Does this mean Ros will be killed off finally?
The big remaining mystery in my opinion is Barristan.
On March 05 2013 11:17 Irrelevant Label wrote: Mostly makes sense considering known changes. The most interesting one is Talisa since that pretty well puts to rest book theories about Jeyne being important in the future.
The character merges are all entirely predictable given the previously established ones and the known omissions from the cast for season 3.
Interesting to know that the Unsullied are only half way.
Does this mean Ros will be killed off finally?
The big remaining mystery in my opinion is Barristan.
On March 05 2013 11:17 Irrelevant Label wrote: Mostly makes sense considering known changes. The most interesting one is Talisa since that pretty well puts to rest book theories about Jeyne being important in the future.
The character merges are all entirely predictable given the previously established ones and the known omissions from the cast for season 3.
Interesting to know that the Unsullied are only half way.
Does this mean Ros will be killed off finally?
The big remaining mystery in my opinion is Barristan.
Oh hell no They will not TOUCH barristan
They had better not, which is why I'm more or less terrified to have heard nothing about him being in season 3. It doesn't help that it seems Strong Belwas is cut. Edit: And to know that they do in fact get well into the time period in which he is supposed to have shown up again.
Someone or other did "confirm" he was in at some point, but to my knowledge it is still hearsay and I have not seen him in anything official.
On March 05 2013 11:17 Irrelevant Label wrote: Mostly makes sense considering known changes. The most interesting one is Talisa since that pretty well puts to rest book theories about Jeyne being important in the future.
The character merges are all entirely predictable given the previously established ones and the known omissions from the cast for season 3.
Interesting to know that the Unsullied are only half way.
Does this mean Ros will be killed off finally?
The big remaining mystery in my opinion is Barristan.
Oh hell no They will not TOUCH barristan
They had better not, which is why I'm more or less terrified to have heard nothing about him being in season 3. It doesn't help that it seems Strong Belwas is cut. Edit: And to know that they do in fact get well into the time period in which he is supposed to have shown up again.
Someone or other did "confirm" he was in at some point, but to my knowledge it is still hearsay and I have not seen him in anything official.
Arstan has been confirmed to be in Season 3. There were some photos taken during filming for the Astapor scenes and Barristan is seen walking behind Dany with a some facial hair. No beard
On March 05 2013 11:17 Irrelevant Label wrote: Mostly makes sense considering known changes. The most interesting one is Talisa since that pretty well puts to rest book theories about Jeyne being important in the future.
The character merges are all entirely predictable given the previously established ones and the known omissions from the cast for season 3.
Interesting to know that the Unsullied are only half way.
Does this mean Ros will be killed off finally?
The big remaining mystery in my opinion is Barristan.
Oh hell no They will not TOUCH barristan
They had better not, which is why I'm more or less terrified to have heard nothing about him being in season 3. It doesn't help that it seems Strong Belwas is cut. Edit: And to know that they do in fact get well into the time period in which he is supposed to have shown up again.
Someone or other did "confirm" he was in at some point, but to my knowledge it is still hearsay and I have not seen him in anything official.
Arstan has been confirmed to be in Season 3. There were some photos taken during filming for the Astapor scenes and Barristan is seen walking behind Dany with a some facial hair. No beard
I've seen the pictures myself, Ser Grandpa is in
You are talking about this one right?
I'm bad with faces but I don't think being better with them would meaningfully increase my perception of this evidence.
All I know of is hearsay, it's just prevalent enough to be listed on wiki pages and whatnot saying he is reprising the role in season 3.
Thankfully I'm not bad with faces, he looks like + Show Spoiler +
with facial hair. What more evidence do you need? They can't pubically announce his reprisal because his reveal is meant to be a surprise for keen-eyed show viewers
• King's Landing: The biggest changes of the year will be in King's Landing. Since Joff's wedding will be in Season 4, the importance of the Lannister/Tyrell maneuvering over who Sansa will marry will be greatly elevated and expanded. It will climax with the Sansa/Tyrion marriage in Episode 8. While this is not confirmed, it seems very likely that the Queen of Thorns will try to marry Sansa and Loras (to his chagrin), rather than Sansa and Willas. We also know there will be many invented scenes so the various Tyrell characters can share scenes with the various Lannisters and Sansa. Also, there will be a subplot with Ros (big surprise). Speculation has Ros as, in some way, a substitution for Dontos, who has been cut from the season.
It is some what surprising that they would have Sansa marry Loras, both considering the King's Guard prohibiting marriage (though I don't know if that has been mentioned on the show, but it also becomes an issue later for Jaime and was a key reason Jaime was made part of the King's Guard to rob Tywin of his favored heir). Also I don't recall Willas actually making an appearance in Storm of Swords, so using his name wouldn't have required casting anyone.
Ros getting expanded scenes isn't surprising, but I don't really know what the point of putting Dontas in season 2 was at all if he is being cut. With no Donta's in season 3, Sansa risking Joffrey's rage to save a drunk knight who she will never interact with again, after the Hound just killed his opponent in the previous fight, makes even less sense. I suspect Ros will not die, but instead take the place of one or more of the Kettleblack's roles in the book as a trusted aid for Littlefinger.
• Stannis: The most controversial change of the year by far will likely be to Stannis. There's no word of Edric Storm being cast, but the showrunners have said that one plotline this season will be about "a debated sacrifice." So it seems clear that Stannis will seriously contemplate giving Shireen to the flames.
I hope this one isn't true. Hard to imagine Stannis even considering this and it would be quite out of character. He didn't even want to sacrifice Edric who was just a bastard of Robert, who he didn't like. But a bastard he had no emotional ties to for the good of the realm is quite different from his own child. It's also hard to believe Stannis's wife Selyse would be on board with that, despite being more religious than Stannis in following Melisandre and the Lord of Light.
• Jon: The recognizable actor Mackenzie Crook was cast as Orell. It seems likely that Orell will be a composite of the eagle-skinchanger Jon kills in ACOK and Varamyr (one eagle is cheaper than 6 wild beasts). The battles at the Wall and Ygritte's death are almost certainly not going to happen this season. We can assume this because the actor who plays Pyp revealed that he did only one day of filming this season. Pyp remained at the Wall and is not in Mormont's party, so it seems likely that Jon will return to the Wall in the season finale and be briefly welcomed by Pyp, with the battles taking place next season.
Makes sense. Jon's story changes were really disappointing in season 2, hopefully they can redeem it.
• Dany: Many think that Dany will free the Unsullied at the end of the season. In fact, leaked audition videos long ago revealed that this occurs midway through. (The videos showed a scene where Daario and Mero discuss what to do about Dany and her Unsullied army.) The new list of episode titles strongly suggests that the season will end with Dany's victory over Yunkai'i.
Dany's story in season 2 played out almost like a parody with some laughingly bad scenes like Dany starving outside the city and saying her people would starve to death if they didn't let her in, and then when they still refused, threatening to come back when her dragons were grown and burn the city to the ground... Good luck doing that after you have starved to death... No undying, and all the changes surrounding Xaro weren't bad just because they were changes from the books since many fans don't care for Dany's story line, but they were bad period.
• Theon: A leaked audition video sheds some light on Theon's (invented) scenes too. Apparently Theon wakes up and is led to believe that he is being held by the ironborn, and he's told that his father has locked him up because he's such a disappointment. There are some mindfuck / torture scenes with the character called "Boy". Probably only later in the season will it be revealed that "Boy" is Ramsay, to disguise the Bolton betrayal.
Not surprised that they will show/make up Theon's captivity, though Reek won't really have any significance without having Ramsay be Reek and Theon's prisoner in season 2. With no internal dialogue, breaking Theon will almost have to be either be one of the most disturbing TV scenes ever, or a major fail.
• Robb: A tweet from Oona Chaplin led many to believe that Talisa will attend the Red Wedding, and probably die there.
Whatever, they unnecessarily created her character which was completely unbelieveable, and I won't be sorry to see her go. Also because of the nature of the changes to Robb marrying because of selfishness rather than to protect Jeyne's honor, his death won't be as sympathetic. Perhaps that is what they are aiming for. I don't know that any of the changes mean anything as far as the future books go, considering how many other changes they have made.
• Jaime: The Vargo Hoat role is being taken by a character named Locke, who is simply a Bolton man rather than the foreign sellsword of shifting allegiances from the book.
Seems like an unnecessary change, and there are serious problems with Locke being a Bolton man considering Bolton is in on the Red Wedding and one of the reason's he sends Jaime to King's Landing is to show faith that he had nothing to do with Vargo's mutilation. Hard to imagineTywin would ally with the Bolton's if one of their men was responsible for Jaime's maiming.
• Littlefinger: There will be invented scenes in the Eyrie with Lysa and Sweetrobin in at least one episode this year. I suspect this is Littlefinger visiting to propose marriage, but this has not been confirmed.
Littlefinger's character has been made into such a buffoon, it's a shame. He should really be more Verbal Kent/Kaiser Sosei than plotting James Bond villain.
I was re-reading ADwD, and the last Victarion chapter ends with some curious sentences, somehow i forgot about it: "Your brother did not sound the horn himselff, nor must you. Who blows the hell-horn matters not, the dragons will come to the horn's master, you must claim the Horn"
This is said by the red priest Victarion fishes out from the sea, and all his prophecies (just like Mellisandre's) seem to be true, so this statement is correct i think. Does this mean Victarion needs to kill his borther before using the horn? It's a bit problematic, since the dragons are in Meeren, and the Crow's eye sits comfortably on the Seastone Chair 10000 miles away. How do you think this complicates this issue?
I don't know if I'd be bold enough to propose that Victarion or Euron is the master of anything involving that horn at this point. Euron is far away and pretty removed from any control and all around irrelevant, Victarion is Moqorro's, Moqorro is ?
The red priesthood seems a bit confused to me. Maybe it is a bad interpolation based on Melisandre and Thoros, but I get a bit of a "we don't actually know what we are doing, but our religion is suddenly supported by some rather active magic so we are going live." vibe. It seems there might be a lot of priestly quackery going around with priests seeing things they don't really understand in their fires. They inevitably mold it to their own expectations/preconceived notions/bias then call it what their god has decreed.
I do not put any of them on the list of high reliability prophecy types. They see something, sure, and from that we can reasonably say broader things like "Something important will happen involving dragons" or "There will be a big battle in the north that Stannis will play an important role in". (At which point I must mockingly say that it is sure a good thing the red priests are around to tell us these things.) What they say it means might as well be a dice roll. We know how confused and usually wrong Melisandre is, and until we got into her head she seemed almost like some kind of savant genius among the red priesthood. After all, she was the one who came and found Stannis as Azor Ahai, made lightbringer, and was leading him to victory...right? right...!? Admittedly Moqorro is more of an unknown and might have a better idea.
On March 14 2013 12:05 Irrelevant Label wrote: I don't know if I'd be bold enough to propose that Victarion or Euron is the master of anything involving that horn at this point. Euron is far away and pretty removed from any control and all around irrelevant, Victarion is Moqorro's, Moqorro is ?
The red priesthood seems a bit confused to me. Maybe it is a bad interpolation based on Melisandre and Thoros, but I get a bit of a "we don't actually know what we are doing, but our religion is suddenly supported by some rather active magic so we are going live." vibe. It seems there might be a lot of priestly quackery going around with priests seeing things they don't really understand in their fires. They inevitably mold it to their own expectations/preconceived notions/bias then call it what their god has decreed.
I do not put any of them on the list of high reliability prophecy types. They see something, sure, and from that we can reasonably say broader things like "Something important will happen involving dragons" or "There will be a big battle in the north that Stannis will play an important role in". (At which point I must mockingly say that it is sure a good thing the red priests are around to tell us these things.) What they say it means might as well be a dice roll. We know how confused and usually wrong Melisandre is, and until we got into her head she seemed almost like some kind of savant genius among the red priesthood. After all, she was the one who came and found Stannis as Azor Ahai, made lightbringer, and was leading him to victory...right? right...!? Admittedly Moqorro is more of an unknown and might have a better idea.
well, Mellisandre misinterpreted pretty much eveything, but all she sees came true so far. Minus the tall towers devoured by the waves thing, which she assumes means East Watch by the Sea will be overrun first, and probably means something entirely different, like the Twin towers of Freys getting sacked by the Ironman or something...
On March 14 2013 12:05 Irrelevant Label wrote: I don't know if I'd be bold enough to propose that Victarion or Euron is the master of anything involving that horn at this point. Euron is far away and pretty removed from any control and all around irrelevant, Victarion is Moqorro's, Moqorro is ?
The red priesthood seems a bit confused to me. Maybe it is a bad interpolation based on Melisandre and Thoros, but I get a bit of a "we don't actually know what we are doing, but our religion is suddenly supported by some rather active magic so we are going live." vibe. It seems there might be a lot of priestly quackery going around with priests seeing things they don't really understand in their fires. They inevitably mold it to their own expectations/preconceived notions/bias then call it what their god has decreed.
I do not put any of them on the list of high reliability prophecy types. They see something, sure, and from that we can reasonably say broader things like "Something important will happen involving dragons" or "There will be a big battle in the north that Stannis will play an important role in". (At which point I must mockingly say that it is sure a good thing the red priests are around to tell us these things.) What they say it means might as well be a dice roll. We know how confused and usually wrong Melisandre is, and until we got into her head she seemed almost like some kind of savant genius among the red priesthood. After all, she was the one who came and found Stannis as Azor Ahai, made lightbringer, and was leading him to victory...right? right...!? Admittedly Moqorro is more of an unknown and might have a better idea.
well, Mellisandre misinterpreted pretty much eveything, but all she sees came true so far. Minus the tall towers devoured by the waves thing, which she assumes means East Watch by the Sea will be overrun first, and probably means something entirely different, like the Twin towers of Freys getting sacked by the Ironman or something...
It would LOVE the Twins to be sacked by Ironmen... Imagine Euron and his crew feasting in the high hall, while Walder Frey and his brood are made to serve them naked.
On March 14 2013 12:05 Irrelevant Label wrote: I don't know if I'd be bold enough to propose that Victarion or Euron is the master of anything involving that horn at this point. Euron is far away and pretty removed from any control and all around irrelevant, Victarion is Moqorro's, Moqorro is ?
The red priesthood seems a bit confused to me. Maybe it is a bad interpolation based on Melisandre and Thoros, but I get a bit of a "we don't actually know what we are doing, but our religion is suddenly supported by some rather active magic so we are going live." vibe. It seems there might be a lot of priestly quackery going around with priests seeing things they don't really understand in their fires. They inevitably mold it to their own expectations/preconceived notions/bias then call it what their god has decreed.
I do not put any of them on the list of high reliability prophecy types. They see something, sure, and from that we can reasonably say broader things like "Something important will happen involving dragons" or "There will be a big battle in the north that Stannis will play an important role in". (At which point I must mockingly say that it is sure a good thing the red priests are around to tell us these things.) What they say it means might as well be a dice roll. We know how confused and usually wrong Melisandre is, and until we got into her head she seemed almost like some kind of savant genius among the red priesthood. After all, she was the one who came and found Stannis as Azor Ahai, made lightbringer, and was leading him to victory...right? right...!? Admittedly Moqorro is more of an unknown and might have a better idea.
well, Mellisandre misinterpreted pretty much eveything, but all she sees came true so far. Minus the tall towers devoured by the waves thing, which she assumes means East Watch by the Sea will be overrun first, and probably means something entirely different, like the Twin towers of Freys getting sacked by the Ironman or something...
It would LOVE the Twins to be sacked by Ironmen... Imagine Euron and his crew feasting in the high hall, while Walder Frey and his brood are made to serve them naked.
Never ever post a sentence like "Imagine the Frey naked, how cool that would be" OMG what were you thinking.
On March 05 2013 11:17 Irrelevant Label wrote: Mostly makes sense considering known changes. The most interesting one is Talisa since that pretty well puts to rest book theories about Jeyne being important in the future.
The character merges are all entirely predictable given the previously established ones and the known omissions from the cast for season 3.
Interesting to know that the Unsullied are only half way.
Does this mean Ros will be killed off finally?
The big remaining mystery in my opinion is Barristan.
I don't see why the theories that apply to Jane couldn't aply to Talisa as well. If I understand the common theory is she is pregnant with Rob's child and has been replaced with a body double.
If Vargo Hoat is acting on the orders of Roose then wouldn't that be an issue for the Lannister/Bolton deal? Why would you change that, a turncloak mercenary is perfect for Hoat.
EPT
. Even though his heir would probably not have any effect on the books at all, it just seems kind of cruel to smash that last faint hope of something good going for him.![[image loading]](http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/game-of-thrones-season-3-ian-glen-ser-jorah-mormont.jpg)
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