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On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard.
HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off.
But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :|
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On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :|
err.. no. HxH is the smarter, darker and more unpredictable shounen manga out there by leaps and bounds. I was following one piece until a year ago, then that king neptune arc started and completely lost interest, pretty average imho.
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On January 26 2012 07:42 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :| err.. no. HxH is the smarter, darker and more unpredictable shounen manga out there by leaps and bounds. I was following one piece until a year ago, then that king neptune arc started and completely lost interest, pretty average imho.
Being smarter, darker or unpredictable doesn't make it a "better" manga as a whole, especially if all you do is blindly assert these traits.
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On January 26 2012 08:11 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:42 s4life wrote:On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :| err.. no. HxH is the smarter, darker and more unpredictable shounen manga out there by leaps and bounds. I was following one piece until a year ago, then that king neptune arc started and completely lost interest, pretty average imho. Being smarter, darker or unpredictable doesn't make it a "better" manga as a whole, especially if all you do is blindly assert these traits.
I think its more age. I'm 25 and I can't take One Piece seriously. HxH is much more adult oriented (even if its still manga)
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On January 26 2012 08:17 dark14cs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 08:11 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 s4life wrote:On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :| err.. no. HxH is the smarter, darker and more unpredictable shounen manga out there by leaps and bounds. I was following one piece until a year ago, then that king neptune arc started and completely lost interest, pretty average imho. Being smarter, darker or unpredictable doesn't make it a "better" manga as a whole, especially if all you do is blindly assert these traits. I think its more age. I'm 25 and I can't take One Piece seriously. HxH is much more adult oriented (even if its still manga)
Yeah man totally. You must be too young or inexperienced since you're definitely judging by the cover here. 88% of One Piece fans in Japan are adults.
http://www.saiyanisland.com/2011/12/88-of-one-piece-fans-are-adults/
It's not like One Piece is "Niche" either, considering
Since 2010 One piece has sold 54.8 million copies out of its total of around 250 million copies. This amounted to more than number 2 Naruto, number 3 Kimi ni Todoke, number 4 Fairy Tail, number 5 Bleach, number 6 Bakuman, number 7 Gintama and number 8 Fullmetal Alchemist combined.
Listen, all you've done is spew things like
"It's darker"
"it's smarter"
"It's more unpredictable"
"It's for adults"
To try and discredit what I have said is my *opinion*, and my opinion is that I don't think HxH's story is developed enough to catch up to One Piece's simply because One Piece had 5 years to make their story really amazing (I would say current HxH is better than OP's chapters 5 years ago for sure, and that is exactly what I implied in my previous post)
So if you're going to make a case, just make a case instead of trying to make sweeping generalizations. Thanks.
EDIT: Oh, you guys aren't the same user. Whatever. Point still stands ^^
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On January 26 2012 08:47 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 08:17 dark14cs wrote:On January 26 2012 08:11 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 s4life wrote:On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :| err.. no. HxH is the smarter, darker and more unpredictable shounen manga out there by leaps and bounds. I was following one piece until a year ago, then that king neptune arc started and completely lost interest, pretty average imho. Being smarter, darker or unpredictable doesn't make it a "better" manga as a whole, especially if all you do is blindly assert these traits. I think its more age. I'm 25 and I can't take One Piece seriously. HxH is much more adult oriented (even if its still manga) So if you're going to make a case, just make a case instead of trying to make sweeping generalizations. Thanks.
Im not sure what to think of your aggressive responses.We're talking about cartoons here. I'll bow out before this gets any sillier
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On January 26 2012 09:01 dark14cs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 08:47 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 08:17 dark14cs wrote:On January 26 2012 08:11 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 s4life wrote:On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :| err.. no. HxH is the smarter, darker and more unpredictable shounen manga out there by leaps and bounds. I was following one piece until a year ago, then that king neptune arc started and completely lost interest, pretty average imho. Being smarter, darker or unpredictable doesn't make it a "better" manga as a whole, especially if all you do is blindly assert these traits. I think its more age. I'm 25 and I can't take One Piece seriously. HxH is much more adult oriented (even if its still manga) So if you're going to make a case, just make a case instead of trying to make sweeping generalizations. Thanks. Im not sure what to think of your aggressive responses.We're talking about cartoons here. I'll bow out before this gets any sillier
"HxH is for adults"
"We're talking about cartoons here"
k
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On January 26 2012 09:02 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 09:01 dark14cs wrote:On January 26 2012 08:47 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 08:17 dark14cs wrote:On January 26 2012 08:11 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 s4life wrote:On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :| err.. no. HxH is the smarter, darker and more unpredictable shounen manga out there by leaps and bounds. I was following one piece until a year ago, then that king neptune arc started and completely lost interest, pretty average imho. Being smarter, darker or unpredictable doesn't make it a "better" manga as a whole, especially if all you do is blindly assert these traits. I think its more age. I'm 25 and I can't take One Piece seriously. HxH is much more adult oriented (even if its still manga) So if you're going to make a case, just make a case instead of trying to make sweeping generalizations. Thanks. Im not sure what to think of your aggressive responses.We're talking about cartoons here. I'll bow out before this gets any sillier "HxH is for adults" "We're talking about cartoons here" k
Ooo don't you dare call them cartoons. They're mangas and animes you baka gaijin! Epitome of culture desu.
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The reason I consider Hunter x Hunter to be a better manga is because it's by far more dense in terms of storytelling compared to One Piece. It being darker is not a virtue in itself, but it does give Togashi more room to play with; the characters can be given more depth because the good guys aren't stuck being good all the time.
I personally think that Hunter x Hunter's story is by far more developed than One Piece even though it's half the length. One Piece has a lot of details, but a lot of them doesn't particularly add to the story.
There's a huge dip in quality from the start of the chimera ant arc to the introduction of Komugi. I won't like, those chapters suck. Everything else is golden.
One Piece is superior at pulling the heartstrings, but I consider myself "overloaded" on sentimental flashbacks after like 10 them.
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On January 26 2012 09:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
The reason I consider Hunter x Hunter to be a better manga is because it's by far more dense in terms of storytelling compared to One Piece. It being darker is not a virtue in itself, but it does give Togashi more room to play with; the characters can be given more depth because the good guys aren't stuck being good all the time.
I personally think that Hunter x Hunter's story is by far more developed than One Piece even though it's half the length. One Piece has a lot of details, but a lot of them doesn't particularly add to the story.
There's a huge dip in quality from the start of the chimera ant arc to the introduction of Komugi. I won't like, those chapters suck. Everything else is golden.
One Piece is superior at pulling the heartstrings, but I consider myself "overloaded" on sentimental flashbacks after like 10 them.
I think I'd agree with your analysis if we're only looking at OP before first reaching Sabaody. The thing is that from that point on OP has been pretty focused in advancing the story more than anything else. Everything in One Piece before that advanced the story very very slowly.
But at the same time I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense. Things happen as they happen and they deal with one problem after another as they come up... much like OP, but as you've said HxH does the individual arcs far better. OP finally broke out of this individual arch and started focusing on the more global themes, while HxH IMO, is still in this "early" phase. This is what I mean by HxH not being as developed.
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I love both One Piece and Hunter x Hunter. I view One Piece as an epic due to its immense depth: the character development, interwoven pasts and current developments, and vast cast of relevant characters that "belong" put it on a different level of development as compared to the vast majority of manga that exist. The ambitious nature of Oda's task and view (creating such a big and thoroughly developed world) which also happens to have an appeal to all ages and groups places it on a level of popularity that is historically unmatched.
Hunter x Hunter is certainly darker than One Piece. I would assert that as of right now its chapters are on a much faster pace than that of OP's, which in the weekly format is a big net positive. However, tankōbon sales show that One Piece is the reigning champ. The appeal of One Piece to many groups as a very re-readable holistic story, in my opinion, have helped secure its success in this area.
Whether or not one work is "better" than the other is up to personal opinion. There are people who love long stories for their consistent charm and appeal and great depth (Harry Potter, anybody?). There are those who prefer other stories for their more realistic, dark, unpredictable nature. To prefer one over the other is natural. To reject someone's opinion in concrete terms due to preference is arrogant.
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On January 26 2012 07:19 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 06:26 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'd say it's obscure, not underrated. I don't know many people who read Hunter x Hunter who DON'T claim it at the undisputable best Shonen. Aside from the people who are turned off by the dark themes, the quality of the manga cannot be matched by Naruto or One Piece.
My god Pariston is a clever bastard. HxH is awesome, but I would honestly have to say One Piece is far better. I think it's mostly because One Piece developed its story quite a bit in the 5 years HxH went on hiatus on and off. But even if they're shounen, OP and HxH are different enough that I don't think you can say "quality of the manga cannot be matched" blah blah. :|
I think One piece is just a lot more consistent though. When hxh is on its game its amazing, but so is One piece and one piece gets here every week and provides a near guarantee of quality. Whereas hxh takes 6 months off comes back and casually cuts the head off of all the tension that was building regarding the king.
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I feel HxH's story was maybe on par or just ahead of One Piece for how developed it was pre-Greed Island. It really had a great mix of of darkness and light-heated antics.
Now though, it's clear through the HxH authors illness/antics that One Piece has emerged as the more consistent and enjoyable manga/anime to me. I have no idea where cartooniness or childishness come into this. If anything, One Piece has some of the most adult innuendos/implied jokes of any of the mainstream shonen mangas/animes.
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On January 26 2012 09:35 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 09:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
The reason I consider Hunter x Hunter to be a better manga is because it's by far more dense in terms of storytelling compared to One Piece. It being darker is not a virtue in itself, but it does give Togashi more room to play with; the characters can be given more depth because the good guys aren't stuck being good all the time.
I personally think that Hunter x Hunter's story is by far more developed than One Piece even though it's half the length. One Piece has a lot of details, but a lot of them doesn't particularly add to the story.
There's a huge dip in quality from the start of the chimera ant arc to the introduction of Komugi. I won't like, those chapters suck. Everything else is golden.
One Piece is superior at pulling the heartstrings, but I consider myself "overloaded" on sentimental flashbacks after like 10 them. I think I'd agree with your analysis if we're only looking at OP before first reaching Sabaody. The thing is that from that point on OP has been pretty focused in advancing the story more than anything else. Everything in One Piece before that advanced the story very very slowly. But at the same time I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense. Things happen as they happen and they deal with one problem after another as they come up... much like OP, but as you've said HxH does the individual arcs far better. OP finally broke out of this individual arch and started focusing on the more global themes, while HxH IMO, is still in this "early" phase. This is what I mean by HxH not being as developed.
I dont know, just because theres no awesome treasure and big bad dude waiting at the end of the journey doesn't mean hxh doesn't have an over arching story. HxH's story is about strands, incredibly interesting pieces on a board that are slowly being led closer and closer to one another. Gon's desire to see his father, Paristans obsession with winning for the sake of winning, Killuas complex relationship with his family at direct odds with his simple but honest friendship with gon, and kurapikas hatred of killing but vow of revenge. HxH characters aren't all focused on one goal, they all bring baggage to the table and in trying to accomplish their individuals tasks they fight one another. At worst I'd have to say the ongoing trends more than substitute for one pieces inevitable clash over absolute freedom(becoming the pirate king).
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On January 26 2012 09:56 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 09:35 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 09:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
The reason I consider Hunter x Hunter to be a better manga is because it's by far more dense in terms of storytelling compared to One Piece. It being darker is not a virtue in itself, but it does give Togashi more room to play with; the characters can be given more depth because the good guys aren't stuck being good all the time.
I personally think that Hunter x Hunter's story is by far more developed than One Piece even though it's half the length. One Piece has a lot of details, but a lot of them doesn't particularly add to the story.
There's a huge dip in quality from the start of the chimera ant arc to the introduction of Komugi. I won't like, those chapters suck. Everything else is golden.
One Piece is superior at pulling the heartstrings, but I consider myself "overloaded" on sentimental flashbacks after like 10 them. I think I'd agree with your analysis if we're only looking at OP before first reaching Sabaody. The thing is that from that point on OP has been pretty focused in advancing the story more than anything else. Everything in One Piece before that advanced the story very very slowly. But at the same time I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense. Things happen as they happen and they deal with one problem after another as they come up... much like OP, but as you've said HxH does the individual arcs far better. OP finally broke out of this individual arch and started focusing on the more global themes, while HxH IMO, is still in this "early" phase. This is what I mean by HxH not being as developed. I dont know, just because theres no awesome treasure and big bad dude waiting at the end of the journey doesn't mean hxh doesn't have an over arching story. HxH's story is about strands, incredibly interesting pieces on a board that are slowly being led closer and closer to one another. Gon's desire to see his father, Paristans obsession with winning for the sake of winning, Killuas complex relationship with his family at direct odds with his simple but honest friendship with gon, and kurapikas hatred of killing but vow of revenge. HxH characters aren't focused on one goal, they all bring baggage to the table and in trying to accomplish their own goals they fight one another. At worst I'd have to say the ongoing trends more than substitute for one pieces inevitable clash over absolute freedom(becoming the pirate king).
I don't think I ever said HxH doesn't have an overarching story. I just said that it hasn't gotten to the point where it gets to concentrate on it yet, since there are still subplots that need to develop before it becomes clear what the focus of the series is. I have no idea what HxH will focus on just yet since so far it's been rather "individual" adventures. I have a feeling this arc will lead to something big though so I'm looking forward to it.
Also the driving force of OP IMO is less "One Piece/Pirate King" but more related to Will of D and Void Century at this point!
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I don't know if Hunter x Hunter is even going to explore and overall arch. The matter of fact is, the Hunter world doesn't revolve around Gon. The story isn't being driven to make Gon the King of Hunters, and while the different storylines often move past each other, they're not necessarily converging on a single end-goal.
The premise of Hunter x Hunter is so simple that it has no constriction on the story, and yet still epic in its own way.
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On January 26 2012 10:01 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 09:56 gumshoe wrote:On January 26 2012 09:35 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 09:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
The reason I consider Hunter x Hunter to be a better manga is because it's by far more dense in terms of storytelling compared to One Piece. It being darker is not a virtue in itself, but it does give Togashi more room to play with; the characters can be given more depth because the good guys aren't stuck being good all the time.
I personally think that Hunter x Hunter's story is by far more developed than One Piece even though it's half the length. One Piece has a lot of details, but a lot of them doesn't particularly add to the story.
There's a huge dip in quality from the start of the chimera ant arc to the introduction of Komugi. I won't like, those chapters suck. Everything else is golden.
One Piece is superior at pulling the heartstrings, but I consider myself "overloaded" on sentimental flashbacks after like 10 them. I think I'd agree with your analysis if we're only looking at OP before first reaching Sabaody. The thing is that from that point on OP has been pretty focused in advancing the story more than anything else. Everything in One Piece before that advanced the story very very slowly. But at the same time I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense. Things happen as they happen and they deal with one problem after another as they come up... much like OP, but as you've said HxH does the individual arcs far better. OP finally broke out of this individual arch and started focusing on the more global themes, while HxH IMO, is still in this "early" phase. This is what I mean by HxH not being as developed. I dont know, just because theres no awesome treasure and big bad dude waiting at the end of the journey doesn't mean hxh doesn't have an over arching story. HxH's story is about strands, incredibly interesting pieces on a board that are slowly being led closer and closer to one another. Gon's desire to see his father, Paristans obsession with winning for the sake of winning, Killuas complex relationship with his family at direct odds with his simple but honest friendship with gon, and kurapikas hatred of killing but vow of revenge. HxH characters aren't focused on one goal, they all bring baggage to the table and in trying to accomplish their own goals they fight one another. At worst I'd have to say the ongoing trends more than substitute for one pieces inevitable clash over absolute freedom(becoming the pirate king). I don't think I ever said HxH doesn't have an overarching story. I just said that it hasn't gotten to the point where it gets to concentrate on it yet, since there are still subplots that need to develop before it becomes clear what the focus of the series is. I have no idea what HxH will focus on just yet since so far it's been rather "individual" adventures. I have a feeling this arc will lead to something big though so I'm looking forward to it.
QOUTE:"I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense" I get it though, one piece has had a longer run so they've had more time to world build. Yet I'm not sure if hxh will have a similarly grand conflict as one piece if thats what your expecting in the long run. One piece is so well suited to that feel of an ultimate battle between the: marines and the pirates/Luffy and blackbeard/ and of the yonkai: just around the corner. Whereas its kinda difficult to imagine a huge war happening between the... what? 400 or so hunters? Theres just not as many monsters in hxh(excluding the chimaeras but I really am bored of their story)as there on the grand line which is why I think hxh is never really gonna have that epic huge war arc , because of the limited tools at its disposal it'll always be better as a character piece, focusing on the individuals we care about and their struggles(like its mostly right now) rather than the larger picture and the insiginifigant but somehow essential role our heroes play in that grand ocurence(like the marine ford arc and luffy's pivotal role there despite being weak in comparison to some of the monsters on that battle field)
oh and just for the record Milkis is awesome.
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I think HxH is better, but I like One Piece more.
Interesting chapter, but I'm getting sick of how long it's taking for Pariston to reveal his underhandedness.
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On January 26 2012 10:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:01 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 09:56 gumshoe wrote:On January 26 2012 09:35 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 09:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
The reason I consider Hunter x Hunter to be a better manga is because it's by far more dense in terms of storytelling compared to One Piece. It being darker is not a virtue in itself, but it does give Togashi more room to play with; the characters can be given more depth because the good guys aren't stuck being good all the time.
I personally think that Hunter x Hunter's story is by far more developed than One Piece even though it's half the length. One Piece has a lot of details, but a lot of them doesn't particularly add to the story.
There's a huge dip in quality from the start of the chimera ant arc to the introduction of Komugi. I won't like, those chapters suck. Everything else is golden.
One Piece is superior at pulling the heartstrings, but I consider myself "overloaded" on sentimental flashbacks after like 10 them. I think I'd agree with your analysis if we're only looking at OP before first reaching Sabaody. The thing is that from that point on OP has been pretty focused in advancing the story more than anything else. Everything in One Piece before that advanced the story very very slowly. But at the same time I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense. Things happen as they happen and they deal with one problem after another as they come up... much like OP, but as you've said HxH does the individual arcs far better. OP finally broke out of this individual arch and started focusing on the more global themes, while HxH IMO, is still in this "early" phase. This is what I mean by HxH not being as developed. I dont know, just because theres no awesome treasure and big bad dude waiting at the end of the journey doesn't mean hxh doesn't have an over arching story. HxH's story is about strands, incredibly interesting pieces on a board that are slowly being led closer and closer to one another. Gon's desire to see his father, Paristans obsession with winning for the sake of winning, Killuas complex relationship with his family at direct odds with his simple but honest friendship with gon, and kurapikas hatred of killing but vow of revenge. HxH characters aren't focused on one goal, they all bring baggage to the table and in trying to accomplish their own goals they fight one another. At worst I'd have to say the ongoing trends more than substitute for one pieces inevitable clash over absolute freedom(becoming the pirate king). I don't think I ever said HxH doesn't have an overarching story. I just said that it hasn't gotten to the point where it gets to concentrate on it yet, since there are still subplots that need to develop before it becomes clear what the focus of the series is. I have no idea what HxH will focus on just yet since so far it's been rather "individual" adventures. I have a feeling this arc will lead to something big though so I'm looking forward to it. QOUTE:"I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense" I get it though, one piece has had a longer run so they've had more time to world build. Yet I'm not sure if hxh will have a similarly grand conflict as one piece if thats what your expecting in the long run. One piece is so well suited to that feel of an ultimate battle between the: marines and the pirates/Luffy and blackbeard/ and of the yonkai: just around the corner. Whereas its kinda difficult to imagine a huge war happening between the... what? 400 or so hunters? Theres just not as many monsters in hxh(excluding the chimaeras but I really am bored of their story)as there on the grand line which is why I think hxh is never really gonna have that epic huge war arc , because of the limited tools at its disposal.
Hrmm, I should have added "yet" at the end of that quote!
On January 26 2012 10:10 Juicyfruit wrote:
I don't know if Hunter x Hunter is even going to explore and overall arch. The matter of fact is, the Hunter world doesn't revolve around Gon. The story isn't being driven to make Gon the King of Hunters, and while the different storylines often move past each other, they're not necessarily converging on a single end-goal.
The premise of Hunter x Hunter is so simple that it has no constriction on the story, and yet still epic in its own way.
"overarching arch" doesn't mean "epic huge war arc", nor is it "Gon being the king of hunters". It just means something things in the story will converge to. I don't think any story will stay in day by day events forever. Think Dragonball (and pretend it ends at Frieza arc), and how it built up from Saiyans invading -> Goku going SSJ and fighting Frieza. Kinda like that. I'm of the opinion all stories focus themselves into an arc that ties things up after a given point, and HxH doesn't seem like it'll be an exception at this point.
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On January 26 2012 10:28 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:10 gumshoe wrote:On January 26 2012 10:01 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 09:56 gumshoe wrote:On January 26 2012 09:35 Milkis wrote:On January 26 2012 09:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
The reason I consider Hunter x Hunter to be a better manga is because it's by far more dense in terms of storytelling compared to One Piece. It being darker is not a virtue in itself, but it does give Togashi more room to play with; the characters can be given more depth because the good guys aren't stuck being good all the time.
I personally think that Hunter x Hunter's story is by far more developed than One Piece even though it's half the length. One Piece has a lot of details, but a lot of them doesn't particularly add to the story.
There's a huge dip in quality from the start of the chimera ant arc to the introduction of Komugi. I won't like, those chapters suck. Everything else is golden.
One Piece is superior at pulling the heartstrings, but I consider myself "overloaded" on sentimental flashbacks after like 10 them. I think I'd agree with your analysis if we're only looking at OP before first reaching Sabaody. The thing is that from that point on OP has been pretty focused in advancing the story more than anything else. Everything in One Piece before that advanced the story very very slowly. But at the same time I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense. Things happen as they happen and they deal with one problem after another as they come up... much like OP, but as you've said HxH does the individual arcs far better. OP finally broke out of this individual arch and started focusing on the more global themes, while HxH IMO, is still in this "early" phase. This is what I mean by HxH not being as developed. I dont know, just because theres no awesome treasure and big bad dude waiting at the end of the journey doesn't mean hxh doesn't have an over arching story. HxH's story is about strands, incredibly interesting pieces on a board that are slowly being led closer and closer to one another. Gon's desire to see his father, Paristans obsession with winning for the sake of winning, Killuas complex relationship with his family at direct odds with his simple but honest friendship with gon, and kurapikas hatred of killing but vow of revenge. HxH characters aren't focused on one goal, they all bring baggage to the table and in trying to accomplish their own goals they fight one another. At worst I'd have to say the ongoing trends more than substitute for one pieces inevitable clash over absolute freedom(becoming the pirate king). I don't think I ever said HxH doesn't have an overarching story. I just said that it hasn't gotten to the point where it gets to concentrate on it yet, since there are still subplots that need to develop before it becomes clear what the focus of the series is. I have no idea what HxH will focus on just yet since so far it's been rather "individual" adventures. I have a feeling this arc will lead to something big though so I'm looking forward to it. QOUTE:"I don't think HxH has an overarching story to make it interesting, if that makes sense" I get it though, one piece has had a longer run so they've had more time to world build. Yet I'm not sure if hxh will have a similarly grand conflict as one piece if thats what your expecting in the long run. One piece is so well suited to that feel of an ultimate battle between the: marines and the pirates/Luffy and blackbeard/ and of the yonkai: just around the corner. Whereas its kinda difficult to imagine a huge war happening between the... what? 400 or so hunters? Theres just not as many monsters in hxh(excluding the chimaeras but I really am bored of their story)as there on the grand line which is why I think hxh is never really gonna have that epic huge war arc , because of the limited tools at its disposal. Hrmm, I should have added "yet" at the end of that quote! Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:10 Juicyfruit wrote:
I don't know if Hunter x Hunter is even going to explore and overall arch. The matter of fact is, the Hunter world doesn't revolve around Gon. The story isn't being driven to make Gon the King of Hunters, and while the different storylines often move past each other, they're not necessarily converging on a single end-goal.
The premise of Hunter x Hunter is so simple that it has no constriction on the story, and yet still epic in its own way. "overarching arch" doesn't mean "epic huge war arc", nor is it "Gon being the king of hunters". It just means something things in the story will converge to. I don't think any story will stay in day by day events forever. Think Dragonball (and pretend it ends at Frieza arc), and how it built up from Saiyans invading -> Goku going SSJ and fighting Frieza. Kinda like that. I'm of the opinion all stories focus themselves into an arc that ties things up after a given point, and HxH doesn't seem like it'll be an exception at this point.
Not to the extent of one piece though, since they reached the grand line most arks(with the exception of the skypiea ark and the whole zombie island) has culminated in a major shift in the world not Just for the characters, but for the political powers at hand all of which are considerable. Also one piece explores the past as well as the present which in conjunction with the epic historian like narration makes one piece feel less like luffy's story but more the story of a rapidly changing world told from the perspective of the man who is both the embodiment and the catalyst of that change. Furthermore almost every fight in onepiece we see a mile a way because its more about the events leading up to the fight and the fights place in the grand history of one piece that matters rather than the fight itself. One piece's scope is just so much more vast than hxh. HxH's arks are almost entirely self contained in comparison not because its undeveloped, but because the style and the story telling is more about the characters rather than the events and their significance.
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