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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
On November 28 2011 12:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote: You guys really need to edit out the actual spoiler when you quote it lol, you're just as bad as him when you quote it. ^This. Fuck what a spoiler =l Ya say when the spoiler is from the comics man  | ||
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Arkan
Canada78 Posts
On November 28 2011 11:58 Darpa wrote: Thank fucking god he did. He actually acted like a normal person would. Kill the walkers, take control of the situation and tell hershal and friends there isnt a damn thing they can do to make them move along. Shane is by far my favorite character at this point. I thought I was the only one that thought Shane was the only real human person there >.< I realize a lot of people dont like him, but hes upfront and has the balls to say and do what needs to be done. The world in the show isnt the same anymore and they need to change their way of thinking. Rick especially should have stood up for the group and told the guy they werent going to leave the farm. | ||
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freeshooter
United States477 Posts
On November 21 2011 23:53 DwD wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2011 15:24 freeshooter wrote: Shane is a man-whore, lol the last episode proved that as well. Also Andrea isn't too... attractive... but if there's no one else, go for it Shane... This season is starting to see more traction, and Rick also finding out about finally about what's been going on kept me intrigued. But still boring... Whaaat. She got a sick body and honestly her face isnt that bad, she is like 35-40 surely? IMO she doesn't have that much of a sick body... Still I didn't say she was bad... | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Other than that, I enjoyed that episode 7, I kinda like the characters' developement, particularly the redneck and the old man. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 28 2011 11:41 X10A wrote: Portal reference by Glen, YES Glen finally grows a pair and talks to Maggie If only that reference wasn't so lame and out of place. Felt like a move of desperation to connect with their audience in some way since the writing is awful. I guess it's good that that arc is done with. Can't say I cared much for it. The twist ... well I was spoiled by this thread, but it didn't do much for me. To those who didn't know - did you see it coming? At a certain point it was like well they have to wrap this up and the only way to do that was to have her come out of the barn like that. In general this part of the story was butchered so bad. Hershel's character undergoes a tremendous transformation in the comics, but outside of just being horrified at seeing his family and friends killed I he hasn't developed at all. It was his farm, his story to tell, and this story pales in comparison. He is devastated, but there is no catharsis at all - he is just more hardened, more the same as he was when the group first came to the farm. It's like they misinterpreted the word for it's literal meaning and thought cleaning the barn of zombies actually fulfilled the definition of the term. (don't get cheeky and say it does, you know what I'm talking about) Instead they replaced that emotional pay-off with the death of a character we hadn't seen in 6 episodes and never gave a shit about in the first place. For goodness sake her own mother just gave up on her earlier in the episode. Seriously if you are writing to pull at the heartstrings of your audience how much worse can you get than this first half of the season if that was the twist. Oh yeah, that girl, the one we all wish was given up for dead 4 episodes ago - she's alive!! And we're gonna have a 2 minute drawn out scene to show her death! Are you weeping? Why not? I guess you could argue that Rick has some kind of a change of heart but honestly it wasn't some awe-inspiring strong moment. Sigh. On to the next half-season, I guess I'll watch just because its a bit of a blank slate (and this is when things are supposed to really heat up), but ... eh ... I'm not excited. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 28 2011 12:00 Slaughter wrote: So spit in the face of the family that took you in? Hes an asshole. They were living in dreamland. Shane showed them what they were not willing to accept. I don't think he is right all the time, but in this case, he was. The father was never going to face the fact the zombies are zombies until someone got hurt. That and the fact that they had Sophia in the barn the entire time is messed up. I am waiting until they have to deal with the real danger of the new world they are in, other groups of people not as well mannered as the farm family. | ||
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instantdry
Canada308 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:04 instantdry wrote: who was that girl? the girl they have been searching for the entire season.... Spitting in the face of the people took them in is irrelevant. I wouldnt give to shits about what they felt was right. If it was safe, and they had no way of forcing me out, I'd be staying too regardless of what they wanted. Which is why i feel like shane is the only realistic character at this point. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
That last scene revealed a lot about who Shane and Rick are. The whole time there's been this underlying question about who is actually making the hard calls, and when it came down to it in this episode, it was Rick. To force the issue and kill a bunch of people he didn't know and couldn't relate to was the easy call, and it was a short-sighted decision at that. Finally, when he was confronted with somebody he had to humanize, he couldn't do the hard thing anymore. After leading the charge against Hershel's zombies, he can't bring himself to kill a zombified Sophia, and worse yet he forced somebody else to clean up his mess. Imo, this payoff was worth the whole season of melodrama. It turned a pretty average half-season into a really worth while one. Also, just to clarify, I'm not saying that Shane was entirely wrong; they've been out in a changed world for too long and he is just acting in the interest of survival under radically different circumstances than any of them have ever encountered pre-apocalypse. He is operating under the new rules of the world where society has broken down and conventional morality is out the window, and he made a command decision. It's not that the command decision is evidence of a character flaw, it's that the result of that decision highlighted one; he can lead the charge and take credit for being the strong leader until he has to face consequences and make hard choices. | ||
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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:04 instantdry wrote: who was that girl? Only the girl they were looking for every episode this season, lol. | ||
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FeedMe
United States54 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:04 instantdry wrote: who was that girl? that right there is how you know they dragged that stupid story out tooooooo long. good episode however i liked it. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:14 Scribble wrote: I actually liked the twist. The whole point of this slow-burn was to contrast the survivors and Hershel's people by showing that Hershel's group still saw humanity in the walkers. When Shane is finally fed up, he can brashly put both groups into a situation where they have to choose between killing the walkers or dying...until the roles are reversed and HE has to humanize one of them. That last scene revealed a lot about who Shane and Rick are. The whole time there's been this underlying question about who is actually making the hard calls, and when it came down to it in this episode, it was Rick. To force the issue and kill a bunch of people he didn't know and couldn't relate to was the easy call, and it was a short-sighted decision at that. Finally, when he was confronted with somebody he had to humanize, he couldn't do the hard thing anymore. After leading the charge against Hershel's zombies, he can't bring himself to kill a zombified Sophia, and worse yet he forced somebody else to clean up his mess. Imo, this payoff was worth the whole season of melodrama. It turned a pretty average half-season into a really worth while one. Also, just to clarify, I'm not saying that Shane was entirely wrong; they've been out in a changed world for too long and he is just acting in the interest of survival under radically different circumstances than any of them have ever encountered pre-apocalypse. He is operating under the new rules of the world where society has broken down and conventional morality is out the window, and he made a command decision. It's not that the command decision is evidence of a character flaw, it's that the result of that decision highlighted one; he can lead the charge and take credit for being the strong leader until he has to face consequences and make hard choices. I think this post sums up my feelings on the mid-season finale quite well with some good analysis to boot. Unlike in the comics, this wasn't focussed on Hershel's realization about the zombies and how much of a thread they are, it focussed on the dynamic between Shane and Rick with the obvious other character interactions happening as well. Ultimately, it answered the questions of who really made the hard calls in the group when Sophia emerges and everyone including Shane froze up at the sight of a familiar face. As for Shane, I don't think he's really a straight-up villain at this point considering the world they live in, but he has lied to himself to deal with the guilt of what he's done. Overall, I've enjoyed the season so far, the payoff was more or less worth it though I honestly think they could have gotten here with an episode or two less. From here, there's a lot of potential for the season to pick up as the conflict with Hershel can only escalate unless they vacate. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Drama is so much more effective when it is somewhat believable. | ||
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MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:14 Scribble wrote: I actually liked the twist. The whole point of this slow-burn was to contrast the survivors and Hershel's people by showing that Hershel's group still saw humanity in the walkers. When Shane is finally fed up, he can brashly put both groups into a situation where they have to choose between killing the walkers or dying...until the roles are reversed and HE has to humanize one of them. That last scene revealed a lot about who Shane and Rick are. The whole time there's been this underlying question about who is actually making the hard calls, and when it came down to it in this episode, it was Rick. To force the issue and kill a bunch of people he didn't know and couldn't relate to was the easy call, and it was a short-sighted decision at that. Finally, when he was confronted with somebody he had to humanize, he couldn't do the hard thing anymore. After leading the charge against Hershel's zombies, he can't bring himself to kill a zombified Sophia, and worse yet he forced somebody else to clean up his mess. Imo, this payoff was worth the whole season of melodrama. It turned a pretty average half-season into a really worth while one. Also, just to clarify, I'm not saying that Shane was entirely wrong; they've been out in a changed world for too long and he is just acting in the interest of survival under radically different circumstances than any of them have ever encountered pre-apocalypse. He is operating under the new rules of the world where society has broken down and conventional morality is out the window, and he made a command decision. It's not that the command decision is evidence of a character flaw, it's that the result of that decision highlighted one; he can lead the charge and take credit for being the strong leader until he has to face consequences and make hard choices. damn right survival of the fittest in a world like that. now time to watch a much better show i.e boardwalk empire  | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:27 p4NDemik wrote: It's funny that the "safe" thing to do is the let 20+ zombies free all at once in one dramatic gesture while your group is in close proximity to the barn and rely on a bunch of barely trained gunmen to take them all down in less than 30 seconds with headshots before someone gets hurt. Sure the safe thing to do is to kill the zombies, but he goes about it in the LEAST reasonable way possible, and the rest of the cast seems to just go along with it, with the exception of Rick/Lori (who have their hands full with a child/zombie). No one takes even a step to walk up to Shane and talk him down or use force, and Glen doesn't even say a word about the much safer alternative: shooting them like fish in a barrel. No one will even take the pole from Rick to let him do anything. Drama is so much more effective when it is somewhat believable. I think Hershel's on knees unresponsiveness was a little strange but I don't think what Shane did was really that unsafe considering he had looked through the planks and had a general idea of how many walkers were in the barn. Sure, shooting them from up high would have been safer but Shane was clearly freaked out and pissed off after seeing Rick and Hershel herding in the walking dead, particularly after Shane had talked to Rick about dealing with the situation. In the actual shoot-out, no zombie even got close to them except Sophia and that was because no one fired at her. He honestly probably could have emptied that barn out on his own but having everyone around and armed was a pretty safe way to deal with it. Much safer than the possibility of the walkers breaking free and attacking them while they were unprepared. | ||
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freeshooter
United States477 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:34 Kyhol wrote: Fuck it. Kill them too. I'm pretty sure all the rules went out the window when zombies took over the planet. All the rules out the window? Ok then. You're the first person I would shoot when zombies take over the planet. At least the first kind of person, I'm sure that there are other people with your opinions and mindset as well. | ||
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freeshooter
United States477 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:34 Kyhol wrote: Fuck it. Kill them too. I'm pretty sure all the rules went out the window when zombies took over the planet. All the rules out the window? Ok then. You're the first person I would shoot when zombies take over the planet. At least the first kind of person, I'm sure that there are other people with your opinions and mindset as well. EDIT: Damn double posting... | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:26 Mordiford wrote: I think this post sums up my feelings on the mid-season finale quite well with some good analysis to boot. Unlike in the comics, this wasn't focussed on Hershel's realization about the zombies and how much of a thread they are, it focussed on the dynamic between Shane and Rick with the obvious other character interactions happening as well. Ultimately, it answered the questions of who really made the hard calls in the group when Sophia emerges and everyone including Shane froze up at the sight of a familiar face. As for Shane, I don't think he's really a straight-up villain at this point considering the world they live in, but he has lied to himself to deal with the guilt of what he's done. Overall, I've enjoyed the season so far, the payoff was more or less worth it though I honestly think they could have gotten here with an episode or two less. From here, there's a lot of potential for the season to pick up as the conflict with Hershel can only escalate unless they vacate. Shane has shown over the last few episodes he has no guilt. He was interesting two episodes ago when it seemed he actually cared a little about Otis, but his dialogue with Dale has exposed that he has no remorse at all and is ready to kill in a heartbeat. Even if he can still be viewed as a sort of anti-hero at all it I don't think the writers intended it that way at all judging by those scenes. They have made it pretty clear, he's a menace and a villain now (or about as close as you can get if he isn't 100% there yet). Its sad, I was hoping they'd go in a more interesting direction, but I'm convinced in the next half of the season he's just going to descend farther down that road. You really think the "tough decisions" angle on it was effective? I didn't feel anything at seeing Sophia dead. I didn't feel anything towards Carol at her losing her child. I didn't feel anything for Hershel because I felt nothing for his kin who just got killed (how can I possibly feel his devastation if I have no connection to those things the way he does?). I don't know there was just no feeling of loss at all. The conflict between Rick and Shane and who pulls the trigger is so many levels less important than the sense of loss we should be feeling, and we don't feel it at all. I don't know how it could be seen as effective other than being a somewhat action-packed last few minutes to appease the part of your audience that just wants to see zombies die and wants an occasional twist. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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FeedMe
United States54 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:34 freeshooter wrote: All the rules out the window? Ok then. You're the first person I would shoot when zombies take over the planet. At least the first kind of person, I'm sure that there are other people with your opinions and mindset as well. how are you any more trustworthy then he is? either way people are going to kill people to stay alive. if anything this post completely validates his ideas and i pretty much agree with him now. to keep this about the show and not get sidetracked, i was pretty surprised that glen wasnt shooting any of the zombies, i didnt think his emotions would cloud him like that, i expected more. really really liked the end of that episode i was afraid it was going to be a cliffhanger and it was more closure then anything. | ||
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