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freeshooter
United States477 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Let's see what happens next season. | ||
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Neino
Norway295 Posts
On April 02 2013 23:51 freeshooter wrote: I'm really worried about Season 4. The group is gonna just have to babysit the old people now, and there'll raids where they have to get grandma oatmeal because her digestive system is fucked up. God what have they done taking in the Woodbury group? I might be completely off but I THINK Rick himself atleast wanted to do that after Carl (karl?) shot that kid. I think he's scared of both himself and/or Carl becoming like the governor or even shane. I haven't read the comics, but the approach that Crawford took in the game is rationally speaking the best one, but it's never been what Rick wants. A lot of the series seems to be about the struggle between the survival of the fittest mentality towards being a good person. Again, just my interpretation, don't shoot! | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
And ya, Carl becoming kind of a psycho isn't really surprising after growing up with zombies and everyone shooting on everyone.. Or maybe just Shane legacy  | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On April 03 2013 00:37 Lylat wrote: Ok just watched the episode what a disappointment, basically everything is in the teaser except Andrea part... And ya, Carl becoming kind of a psycho isn't really surprising after growing up with zombies and everyone shooting on everyone.. Or maybe just Shane legacy I had an unreasonably long debate with the girlfriend about whether or not Carl had to shoot that kid/his being a little psycho. I am generally one cold voice of reason, while she vehemently argued that killing the kid was his only option. To quote her, "...who the hell wouldn't just put the gun on the ground in front of them instead of trying to hand it off?" | ||
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
1- The whole Andrea and Milton thing was somehow meant to be tense, but it just sucked a lot of time out of the episode around a character which nobody cared about anymore. And the outcome made the whole thing moot. It made Milton look good even though we already knew that he was, and then he died. Hell, it sounds stupid but at that point in the show, MILTON was the most interesting character to me. Glenn and Daryl used to be awesome - what's up??? 2- They spent too much time following the Governor, and although that could be excused, none of it felt right. The prison raid took too long and the outcome was not believable. 3- The aftermath of the failed raid was even less believable. The lady complained that "it was a slaughter" when AFAIK nobody died except the kid Carl ganked on his way out. 4- The governor snaps and I'm to believe that the 2 guys, his "officers" so to speak, wouldn't turn on him? I understand that they're loyal and scared but I still don't believe that one instant. A good season finale should be eventful and have a cliffhanger OR a good reason to be excited about the next season, usually for a specific reason. This failed. When S2 ended, we saw the prison - that was promising because we were going to see a change of pace, a new beginning. S3 ended on a "meh". What happens next? I don't really know or care but it'll be more prison and more governor. It could be good, it could even be exciting. But I'm not hyped in the slightest. Especially because Rick's group now inherited a bunch of people who can't carry their weight. Obviously a big part of the show is about people's attempts to balance morality and survival, but a bus full of old people borders on mental retardation. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On April 02 2013 22:29 Paraietta wrote: Andrea was already established to be resourceful and adept at handling herself in high pressure situations involving zombies, and more than capable of killing more than one with only basic equipment available to her, when pinned by zombies, etc. Given the way they have developed Andrea's character and demonstrated her to be a determined survivor who is good at getting herself out of tight situations and killing zombies, the way they had her die is simply inconsistent with the viewer's established perceptions about the character. It is totally irrelevant that I or you or someone else would not be able to get out of this situation. The way Glenn managed to break out of his chair when Merle set the zombie loose on him wasn't believable in the slightest. It's a perception of super human handling and/or monumental luck that creates a disparity between the show and reality that a viewer may come to expect, but isn't really interesting. Regardless, the sheer amount of adrenaline running through even the most unshakeable hollywood badass, you wouldn't expect them to come out of that tight of a situation alive. I don't think she expected to either. The problem with everything I said however is that she actually escaped in time and was prepared to fight and still died. The real problem is that the fight wasn't shown, so the viewer would be lead to believe she was capable of coming out of that fight alive. If they had just shown how she came to be bit it'd have been much more reasonable and fine. All I can say is, I'm not sure with no food for several days, that much adrenaline, and equipped with a small pair of blunt pliars could I manage to successfully bash someone's skull in. Keep in mind Milton had freshly turned and wasn't a zombie that had been roaming for a year or longer with a rotted body. What's worse with what I'm saying though is that this is probably not why she was bit -- which again, ultimately amounts to the failure to depict her death correctly, and summarizes everything which was wrong with this episode: convenient plot twists that make no sense. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On April 02 2013 22:29 Paraietta wrote: Andrea was already established to be resourceful and adept at handling herself in high pressure situations involving zombies, and more than capable of killing more than one with only basic equipment available to her, when pinned by zombies, etc. Given the way they have developed Andrea's character and demonstrated her to be a determined survivor who is good at getting herself out of tight situations and killing zombies, the way they had her die is simply inconsistent with the viewer's established perceptions about the character. It is totally irrelevant that I or you or someone else would not be able to get out of this situation. While scissors are not the same at all though. You say basic equipment - it's always been actual fighting equipment. This is a pair of pliers. Probably heavy. Probably with handles bigger than your toes would be able to grasp. I wouldn't trust myself to be able to grasp in that position and bring it up to my bound hands. I don't know why anyone here would know they could. It is relevant because a pair of pliers is nothing like a knife or a hammer. Have you tried using a pair of pliers like a knife? Maybe blunt force at maximum, and we still didn't see whether she actually got her other hand off in time before the zombie came. You can be resourceful all you want, but if you're handcuffed and working with pliers, which aren't even a weapon, I don't see why you would say you could for certainty say I could do better than that. I'm pretty sure I could but there's still doubt, which is why I'm not complaining about the scene for that. I do give you that it's inconsistent with her character, but not all that unbelievable like most people hear are complaining about. ^ Glenn's chair was wooden though, so it doesn't seem too unbelievable. Adrenaline, and all that. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On April 03 2013 03:30 Scorch wrote: I just did a little test using a pen. From the floor behind my chair to my right hand in under a minute, while keeping my wrists on the arm rests and without even taking off my slippers. It's really not hard to do, adrenaline or not. Pliers might be a bit harder to lift, but to make up for that, Andrea had quite some wiggle room with her handcuffs. The difficult part is probably pinching off the hardened chain of a handcuff using one hand in an awkward position. Don't forget to starve yourself for several days, beat yourself up, and then somehow induce stress and adrenaline appropriate to a life or death situation. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
On April 03 2013 01:36 Djzapz wrote: Obviously a big part of the show is about people's attempts to balance morality and survival, but a bus full of old people borders on mental retardation. I don't know. Part of me thinks it's the right thing to do. Seeing as the governor went "publicly" bat shit insane. I can see the group agreeing to this since it was their first motivation to find a save haven anyway. If this was a real setting and all... For the show itself I expect these people to die a horrible horrible death. You just know it. Never gather around the hero of a setting unless you're equally interesting or you're going to be the fodder (get it?) of the bloody part of the story. So Ricky pretty much put a death sentence on all of these old people xD | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On April 03 2013 03:35 Jayson X wrote: I don't know. Part of me thinks it's the right thing to do. Seeing as the governor went "publicly" bat shit insane. I can see the group agreeing to this since it was their first motivation to find a save haven anyway. If this was a real setting and all... For the show itself I expect these people to die a horrible horrible death. You just know it. Never gather around the hero of a setting unless you're equally interesting or you're going to be the fodder (get it?) of the bloody part of the story. So Ricky pretty much put a death sentence on all of these old people xD He does what he can but he's not aware that he's in a TV show which has those strict guidelines :/ Poor R-dawg. | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
Andrea had like 5mins to do what she did in 10secs time in the end... so dumb. If they really wanted her to die, just let her die in her stool bitten anyways but somehow kicked the head of Milton to pieces, I thought that was peoples first instict, keeping distance. And where is Gov now? Why didn't he return to Woodbury instantly? And his sidekicks just didnt react at all and follows the craziest mofo alive? :/ Carl did the right thing tbh, the boy kept walking towards them eventhough he 'wanted' to escape... What a flawed episode. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:56 Sableyeah wrote: Dont see how those Flashbangs didnt mess them all up badly :/ When something like that bangs, you don't simply scream 'STAY IN FORMATION' or do anything useful... It was dark tight corridor so the effect shouldve been emplified. Throw 3 flashbangs and shoot them, ez. Or was the whole point driving them out without killing them at all? If so they didn't even have to show themselves afterwards... Andrea had like 5mins to do what she did in 10secs time in the end... so dumb. If they really wanted her to die, just let her die in her stool bitten anyways but somehow kicked the head of Milton to pieces, I thought that was peoples first instict, keeping distance. And where is Gov now? Why didn't he return to Woodbury instantly? And his sidekicks just didnt react at all and follows the craziest mofo alive? :/ Carl did the right thing tbh, the boy kept walking towards them eventhough he 'wanted' to escape... What a flawed episode. Do you realize how hard it is to stomp a living human's head to pieces -- let alone kick? Milton wasn't a zombie that had been rotting for more than a year. He was literally a living person just 5 minutes before. Ironically she'd have done way more damage stomping zombie Milton's head than trying to bash it in with pliers. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On April 03 2013 05:35 rd wrote: Do you realize how hard it is to stomp a living human's head to pieces -- let alone kick? Milton wasn't a zombie that had been rotting for more than a year. He was literally a living person just 5 minutes before. Ironically she'd have done way more damage stomping zombie Milton's head than trying to bash it in with pliers. She had taken her shoes of though, even in TWD universe where open wound exposure doesn't equate to infection I don't think I'd want to risk foot injury period, let alone skull+ball of heel. shudder. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On April 03 2013 05:41 ThomasjServo wrote: She had taken her shoes of though, even in TWD universe where open wound exposure doesn't equate to infection I don't think I'd want to risk foot injury period, let alone skull+ball of heel. shudder. That's actually another good point, though I'd rather smash my foot to pieces than be eaten. I can't imagine how ineffective pliers would be to a solid skull covered in flesh without any leverage. The zombie would be up and attacking you through dozens of blows to his head. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:56 Sableyeah wrote: Dont see how those Flashbangs didnt mess them all up badly :/ When something like that bangs, you don't simply scream 'STAY IN FORMATION' or do anything useful... It was dark tight corridor so the effect shouldve been emplified. Throw 3 flashbangs and shoot them, ez. Or was the whole point driving them out without killing them at all? If so they didn't even have to show themselves afterwards... Andrea had like 5mins to do what she did in 10secs time in the end... so dumb. If they really wanted her to die, just let her die in her stool bitten anyways but somehow kicked the head of Milton to pieces, I thought that was peoples first instict, keeping distance. And where is Gov now? Why didn't he return to Woodbury instantly? And his sidekicks just didnt react at all and follows the craziest mofo alive? :/ Carl did the right thing tbh, the boy kept walking towards them eventhough he 'wanted' to escape... What a flawed episode. Yeah, Carl's thing was really awkwardly done. I mean, the kid was REALLY suspicious. You don't slowly fucken edge towards someone with your gun out, when they tell you to DROP the damn gun. That being said, straight up shooting the kid in the head is cold on Carl's part. Even if it was the right thing to do, him doing it means he's become numb to the world (well, in a good show that's what it'd mean, he'll probably go back to normal in a few episodes). The prison I think they just wanted to least amount of causalities possible. Sure they could have hid in the hallways and shot there, but then they wouldn't have had as much cover. TBH though I was hoping they would have left the prison beforehand. Staying and fighting was about the dumbest fucken thing they could have done, and they did it. Andrea's part took too long. Sad Milton died (was hoping he'd join the prison). He probably had the most character development of the season. | ||
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
Edit: She was. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On April 03 2013 05:48 rd wrote: That's actually another good point, though I'd rather smash my foot to pieces than be eaten. I can't imagine how ineffective pliers would be to a solid skull covered in flesh without any leverage. The zombie would be up and attacking you through dozens of blows to his head. As would I, but ask Herschel about foot injury. Milton couldn't have left them and a screwdriver or something with a point back there? Anyway I am glad no more Andrea though I would have preferred to see Milt and Andrea Zombies meandering together. I would imagine that would be too much like the previous episode in terms of a reveal. | ||
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