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On December 10 2012 03:15 lonelyPotato wrote:OK here is the deal... The Zombie Apocalypse has occured, however, the whole thing blows over within a week and all life returns to normal. However, following the rules of the walking dead, that when you die you come back as a Zombie, would you in turn sleep in the same bed as your spouse at the risk of them dying in their sleep? Poll: Would you sleep with your spouse?Yes (17) 85% No (3) 15% 20 total votes Your vote: Would you sleep with your spouse? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Personally... I pick no. No matter how slim the chance is of my spouse dying, I really hate the idea of my wife chewing on my neck when I'm asleep.
I would install heart rate monitrors by our beds, setting off an alarm should one flatline.
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That is actually a very interesting scenario. A zombie apocalypse that gets controlled but everyone is still infected and if they die not due to head trauma they transform. How would this affect society?, healthcare, war, car accidents, industrial accidents, suddenly life and death become a whole lot more scary and dangerous.
Sound like good material for World War Z style book.
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I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party?
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On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party?
It wasn't a "search party", they were sent to kill her.
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On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party?
Wow, do we watch the same show?
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On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party?
can't tell if just that innocent or an actual socio
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On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party?
so humiliating maggie is irrelevant? Condoning Merle beating the shit out of Glenn isn't bad enough ? Torturing Glenn with a walker still isn't bad enough ? He deserved to get his head chopped off, and i can't wait till Merle ends him.
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On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party?
Yeah, I don't really get that either. I think that the producers of the show should of got the Governor to do something kind of fucked up to Michonne. Give Michonne a reason to hate the Governor imo... because before she saw all the screwed up stuff the governor does, the only reason she has to hate him is the fact he kills people who try to leave (It's to protect the community though, Michonne should assume that).
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On December 10 2012 23:05 Uni1987 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? Wow, do we watch the same show?
That 'search party' was a team sent by the governor with the specific goal of hunting and killing Michone. Michone was smart enough to know that. They were all part of the governors 'research team', which is what he calls his inner circle of people who go out and kill innocents, such as the national guard.
That was all made reasonably clear in the show, I only watched it once and have not read the comics.
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On December 11 2012 00:46 lonelyPotato wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? Yeah, I don't really get that either. I think that the producers of the show should of done something kind of fucked up to Michonne. Give Michonne a reason to hate the Governor imo... because before she saw all the screwed up stuff the governor does, the only reason she has to hate him is the fact he kills people who try to leave (It's to protect the community though, Michonne should assume that).
Michone had enough information to know that:
The governor ordered and carrier out the killing of several national guardsmen.
The governor sent a group of people to track and kill her.
The governor was keeping zombies locked up in the town.
The governor would kill anyone who tried to leave his town.
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On December 11 2012 00:46 lonelyPotato wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? Yeah, I don't really get that either. I think that the producers of the show should of got the Governor to do something kind of fucked up to Michonne. Give Michonne a reason to hate the Governor imo... because before she saw all the screwed up stuff the governor does, the only reason she has to hate him is the fact he kills people who try to leave (It's to protect the community though, Michonne should assume that).
Michonne knew or at least strongly suspected fucked-up things going on with all the caged zombies and with how the army vehicles and equipment were supposedly "found unmanned", the Governor took away her beloved katana, he sent a team after her to kill her, and she saw his right-hand man kidnap Glenn and Maggie. On top of that, she's probably jealous because Andrea chose to stick with him. Are those not enough reasons for Michonne to hate the Governor?
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On December 11 2012 00:57 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 00:46 lonelyPotato wrote:On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? Yeah, I don't really get that either. I think that the producers of the show should of done something kind of fucked up to Michonne. Give Michonne a reason to hate the Governor imo... because before she saw all the screwed up stuff the governor does, the only reason she has to hate him is the fact he kills people who try to leave (It's to protect the community though, Michonne should assume that). Michone had enough information to know that: The governor ordered and carrier out the killing of several national guardsmen. The governor sent a group of people to track and kill her. The governor was keeping zombies locked up in the town. The governor would kill anyone who tried to leave his town.
Those aren't good reasons though, The Governor kills people leaving the town for the well being of it. Michonne is a logical woman, she should know that the world has changed, and if Michonne spreads information about Woodbury's where abouts then that could lead to bigger groups and coming and taking it over.
Also the Zombies being locked up, the Governor made some excuse, I can't remember what it is, but I doubt you would instantly think "OMG He's Keeping these Zombies as Pets And Holy Shit he probs has a daughter locked up in his house which is fucked up and OMG probs has a TV Set of heads". Michonne acts as though that The Governor Brutally raped her and she's coming back with a vengeance.
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On December 10 2012 23:01 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? It wasn't a "search party", they were sent to kill her.
What evidence is there that they were out to kill her?
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On December 11 2012 04:06 epoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 23:01 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? It wasn't a "search party", they were sent to kill her. What evidence is there that they were out to kill her?
How about when the governor asks Merle if he succeeded in killing her, and Merle says he did?
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On December 11 2012 04:15 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:06 epoc wrote:On December 10 2012 23:01 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? It wasn't a "search party", they were sent to kill her. What evidence is there that they were out to kill her? How about when the governor asks Merle if he succeeded in killing her, and Merle says he did?
Hmm didn't remember that. But still she killed 2 guys that were most likely forced on the trip. She could have just ran away
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On December 11 2012 04:19 epoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:15 frogrubdown wrote:On December 11 2012 04:06 epoc wrote:On December 10 2012 23:01 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? It wasn't a "search party", they were sent to kill her. What evidence is there that they were out to kill her? How about when the governor asks Merle if he succeeded in killing her, and Merle says he did? Hmm didn't remember that. But still she killed 2 guys that were most likely forced on the trip. She could have just ran away
They indicate it in all the scenes involving Michonne, but it's especially obvious around 38 minutes in when the governor asks why Merle doesn't have her head, as requested.
As to the larger debate, I don't see that they've made it especially clear that the governor's sociopathy and lunacy are much more severe than Rick's at this point.
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On December 11 2012 04:55 Cel.erity wrote:
He's obviously meant to be portrayed as a villain in the series, but (as someone who hasn't read the comics) I actually kind of agree, he's not much of one. Just like Rick, he's doing what it takes to protect and grow his community by any means necessary, but he has more people to worry about and he's more ruthless in his methods. He's also obviously slightly deranged, but evil? Nah. I bet if we were watching TWD episode one from the Governor's perspective, we'd be sympathizing with him instead of Rick.
Edit: I just realized that the Governor is Magneto.
Yeah, this is exactly where I'm coming from. Rick and the governor are both mentally unstable leaders who only apply ethical considerations to those in an extreme in group.
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He's obviously meant to be portrayed as a villain in the series, but (as someone who hasn't read the comics) I actually kind of agree, he's not much of one. Just like Rick, he's doing what it takes to protect and grow his community by any means necessary, but he has more people to worry about and he's more ruthless in his methods. He's also obviously slightly deranged, but evil? Nah. I bet if we were watching TWD episode one from the Governor's perspective, we'd be sympathizing with him instead of Rick.
Edit: I just realized that the Governor is Magneto.
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On December 11 2012 04:15 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:06 epoc wrote:On December 10 2012 23:01 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? It wasn't a "search party", they were sent to kill her. What evidence is there that they were out to kill her? How about when the governor asks Merle if he succeeded in killing her, and Merle says he did?
Or the fact that they were openly talking during the 'searching' about 'find her, she couldn't have gotten far', you don't say that to someone you're looking for, you normally go around saying MICHONNE WHERE ARE YOU WE JUST WANNA TALK. not sneak around with guns, saying 'where'd that bitch go'
i think people who are pro-governor at this point are missing out on all of the painfully obvious things that michonne and the rest of us have picked up on but are probably being neglected or being seen through rose tinted glasses. Cmon, she found bullet holes and fresh blood on the humvee's they brought back, and they said they had been overrun by zombies, why would there be FRESH blood and bullet holes IN THEIR OWN VEHICLES if they were fighting off walkers. She knew enough from that point on that things weren't right.
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On December 11 2012 06:05 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:15 frogrubdown wrote:On December 11 2012 04:06 epoc wrote:On December 10 2012 23:01 CrimsonLotus wrote:On December 10 2012 22:55 epoc wrote:
I have some things I don't really understand. Governor being the "main antagonist". So far he hasn't done much bad. Ok the killing of the military guys was pretty bad but that's about the only thing. He protects his people and has his daughter as a zombie chained in his room. That's his personal choice and not really a threat to anyone. Shane was much more insane. Other thing is Michonne killing the search party of Merle. This was really the biggest twist for me. I was like o.O wth just happened. I don't get why she killed them. I mean she didn't trust governor and felt that there was something off and left the place. But why would he kill 2 guys that were most likely forced on the search party? It wasn't a "search party", they were sent to kill her. What evidence is there that they were out to kill her? How about when the governor asks Merle if he succeeded in killing her, and Merle says he did? Or the fact that they were openly talking during the 'searching' about 'find her, she couldn't have gotten far', you don't say that to someone you're looking for, you normally go around saying MICHONNE WHERE ARE YOU WE JUST WANNA TALK. not sneak around with guns, saying 'where'd that bitch go' i think people who are pro-governor at this point are missing out on all of the painfully obvious things that michonne and the rest of us have picked up on but are probably being neglected or being seen through rose tinted glasses. Cmon, she found bullet holes and fresh blood on the humvee's they brought back, and they said they had been overrun by zombies, why would there be FRESH blood and bullet holes IN THEIR OWN VEHICLES if they were fighting off walkers. She knew enough from that point on that things weren't right.
To be clear, are you counting the last few posts, including mine, as pro-governor? Or is it just the people that didn't even realize he ordered Michonne's death?
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I just watched the entire season in 2 sittings and I really like the season so far. Regarding the midseason finale:
I like how Andrea assesses the situation after seeing the governor and his zombie daughter in the hidden room:
A:"uh, what are these heads" - G:"I need them to prepare myself for the cruel world outside" - A:"Alright, makes sense"
A:"uh, why do you have your zombie daughter in your hands and why was she locked up in this room in the first place?" - G:"She's my girl!" - A:"Alright, makes sense"
A:"uh, why were you fighting Michonne?" - G:"Don't ask me, you know her better." - A:"Alright, makes sense"
A: "phew, and I almost thought something was wrong! Haha, silly me! Wanna fuck?"
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