[Manga] Fairy Tail - Page 164

On June 16 2015 15:12 Slaughter wrote:
They were both mentioned waaay before the Island arc when they made their 1st appearances.

On June 16 2015 15:14 Forikorder wrote:

as a dead dude with a wierd legacy and some random dragon Gildartz saw once

On June 16 2015 15:17 Slaughter wrote:


He was still relevant considering most of the baddies had some kind of connection to him (and for a while the audience was led to believe that he was possessing Jellal). and Gildartz didn't just see him once lol, that dragon mauled the fuck out of him or have you not looked closely at all the organs and body parts he is missing?

On June 16 2015 15:12 Slaughter wrote:
They were both mentioned waaay before the Island arc when they made their 1st appearances.

But yea I do dislike reusing old characters. In FT's case its Jellal. Mashima really fucked his character over just to have en excuse to keep him around. He was soo cool once but as he is now he just brings himself down (and he drags Erza with him since Mashima has decided that they must have an angsty romance that no one needed or wanted).

On June 16 2015 15:19 Forikorder wrote:

he was still dead, and it was still a random dragon

you still have a long way to go to prove we knew from then they were the final boss of the story

On June 16 2015 15:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Acnologia was first mentioned by Gildarts at the beginning of the Tenrou Island arc as a matter of a fact. However that was 240 chapters and 5 years ago.

And yeah not terribly happy about reusing Jellal. I'd go as far as saying that he was way cooler and never should have left Rave Master.

On June 16 2015 15:42 Slaughter wrote:
Isn't that the point? Like what has been said 200 chapters is a long time and both were foreshadowed even earlier in the series. Honestly when they name drop specific dark and powerful character names (even if it was supposed to be in the past) they almost always are going to be in the series as a boss at some point. In fact Zeref's name came up A LOT even in the early days. You don't throw out names like that and leave them as a vague past bad guy, there is no point. So FT builds it up 1st showing how artifacts of his are around then you have people acting in a cult like manner trying to replicate his magical tech. Then it introduces the dark guilds which all are committed in some manner of speaking to serving Zeref and ending with his demons that he created.

On June 16 2015 16:10 Slaughter wrote:
You once again Forik, have missed the point entirely just so you can be difficult and argue things.

On June 16 2015 16:20 Forikorder wrote:

what point? Acnologia has certainly never been shown as an "end boss", hell at his introduction we couldnt even say for certain he was A boss (sure he hurt gidlartz but hes a dragon so wouldnt be that wierd if he was on the dragonslayers side (which is actually kind of odd that the dragons are on the dragonslayers side)) he might have just been the edgy rebel ally whos kind of the on the fence of good and evil whos still a good friend to igneel

and Zeref certianly theres foreshadowing there but hardly enough to show hes a certain end boss especially since there was foreshadowing hed end up as a good guy until more recent chapters showed he was doomed to be the final boss

and from the start we had no idea that the dark guilds had any connection at all to Zeref (and its not that much of a connection really since one was working entirely on misinformation and the other was trying to kill him) so you can hardly say everything ended up pointing to him

weve known for a long time its a big world and were now seeing a bit of how big it is yet your acting like theres some crazy power-scaling going on in the first place FT has always kicked the ass of everyone aside from a few specific elite of whatever faction is causing the most problems lately

just because FT pulled a OP and use the latest chapters to showcase how badass everyone is after a time-skip training trip doesnt mean its becoming DBZ

There was no end-boss from the beginning

On June 18 2015 13:22 Forikorder wrote:


THANK YOU

literally all ive been saying

On June 16 2015 14:48 Slaughter wrote:
FT has established who the big baddies are since forever ago. No one has been "the most powerful new villain". They were all literally cronies and Mashima very clearly laid out the hierarchy of the dark guilds early on so none of them has really been a surprise really. Notice how after wiping out the last of the true dark guilds the baddies that they destroyed after that was a Rolf stomp? Because FT has systematically taken down the higher tier dark guilds. There hasn't really been a parade of "most powerful guy eva!" because we all know its Zeref and the Dragon King and it has been that way since basically the start.

If anything bringing in this other kingdom feels like a stall tactic because Mashima knows he has basically progressed through all the villians that were foreshadowed and apparently he isn't ready to end the series yet so off to play in a different country (while also probably getting another power up to beat Zeref).

On June 18 2015 14:06 Forikorder wrote:


im sorry what have you not been arguing?

On June 18 2015 14:22 Slaughter wrote:


Yea notice how I was talking pure power, which they very clearly were legendary level figures in power. The whole argument was against Hyperbola asserting that FT was becoming DBZ like where new "most powerful villians eva!" show up every arc, which isn't true at all because A) post Tower of Heaven the dark guilds and their hierarchy was laid out when the guilds 1st came together to start making moves against the dark guilds (so we had a general idea of their power rankings) and B) we had a decent feeling for who were the top of the food chain when it came to power. Was it always set in stone that they would be the final bosses? No but what was clear was their power and influence in the world (and I would argue the fact that there was some connection to Zeref for the bad guys in almost every arc does point to him being a natural end point).

FT has established who the big baddies are since forever ago ... There hasn't really been a parade of "most powerful guy ave!" because we all know its Zeref and the Dragon King and it has been that way since basically the start

On June 18 2015 14:32 Forikorder wrote:
the dark guilds were a small part in a big world to say taht knowing what the 3 top dark guilds are shows the upper level of strength is ridiculous

Some dude tries to kill all the guild masters very early on in the manga using something Zeref made.

Demons from the book of Zeref.

Most of the dark guilds had end goals that were Zeref related.

Plus IIRC they did not imply that the dark guilds were all equally powerful.

I don't even know what you mean by this.