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abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1946 Posts
June 12 2015 08:02 GMT
#3241
On June 12 2015 01:46 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 15:55 abuse wrote:
Can't say I'm liking the turn FT is making right now.
I was kind of looking forward to zeref vs acnologia, and then zeref vs natsu and then natsu vs gray+FT and then the manga ending.

What's happening now feels like an unneccessary step back.


I love it! It's a necessary step forward because I was sad ft was ending soon, but now there's new hope and I hope this alvarez arc is good and long and then we can do the zeref finale!



How is it a step forward though?
Look how you want, it is pretty much a filler arc.
The story was set. Everything was set for a good finale. Now it's all being put aside to show something else, which basically came from nowhere. That's basically the definition of filler.
Shows that overstay their welcome often become much worse overall.
I really hope it won't be the case here, but so far, it looks like it will be.
Stuff like this should've been put up as an OVA or something after the anime ends.
I don't believe you.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 12 2015 14:36 GMT
#3242
On June 12 2015 17:02 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 01:46 Canucklehead wrote:
On June 11 2015 15:55 abuse wrote:
Can't say I'm liking the turn FT is making right now.
I was kind of looking forward to zeref vs acnologia, and then zeref vs natsu and then natsu vs gray+FT and then the manga ending.

What's happening now feels like an unneccessary step back.


I love it! It's a necessary step forward because I was sad ft was ending soon, but now there's new hope and I hope this alvarez arc is good and long and then we can do the zeref finale!



How is it a step forward though?
Look how you want, it is pretty much a filler arc.
The story was set. Everything was set for a good finale. Now it's all being put aside to show something else, which basically came from nowhere. That's basically the definition of filler.
Shows that overstay their welcome often become much worse overall.
I really hope it won't be the case here, but so far, it looks like it will be.
Stuff like this should've been put up as an OVA or something after the anime ends.

your definition of filler is pretty loose
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-15 20:16:59
June 15 2015 20:14 GMT
#3243
Woo reformation of team b and omg is that yury as God Serena?! If It is I hope he's just a spy trying to protect his precious mavis's body and whatever lumen histoire is and doesn't end up evil like the last ft master. Also, how the hell did mavis die while every other founding member is still alive?!
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 15 2015 20:20 GMT
#3244
On June 16 2015 05:14 Canucklehead wrote:
Woo reformation of team b and omg is that yury as God Serena?! If It is I hope he's just a spy trying to protect his precious mavis's body and whatever lumen histoire is and doesn't end up evil like the last ft master. Also, how the hell did mavis die while every other founding member is still alive?!

who saids shes dead? her body certainly seems intact could just be in stasis
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 15 2015 20:24 GMT
#3245
Are you sure that is Yury? Doesn't really looks like him. Precht is dead now though, Zeref killed him.
Never Knows Best.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
June 15 2015 20:31 GMT
#3246
It's true that mavis's body may just be in stasis and no I'm not sure if that's really yury and is just a guess. I know precht is dead now but he was alive in this current timeline for a while.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 16 2015 00:49 GMT
#3247
The number of enemy leaders keeps on increasing. You start by fighting the Oracion Seis, then the Seven Kin of Purgatory, then the Nine Demon Gates, and now you end up with Twelve. At some point it'll just take an excessive number of chapters to defeat all of them. I really hope Acnologia or Zeref kill the last 3 or 4 of them just to make a point of how badass they are.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 16 2015 01:37 GMT
#3248
On June 16 2015 09:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
The number of enemy leaders keeps on increasing. You start by fighting the Oracion Seis, then the Seven Kin of Purgatory, then the Nine Demon Gates, and now you end up with Twelve. At some point it'll just take an excessive number of chapters to defeat all of them. I really hope Acnologia or Zeref kill the last 3 or 4 of them just to make a point of how badass they are.

or theyll show up to find someone already TPKd them
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2555 Posts
June 16 2015 02:36 GMT
#3249
See this guy? He's the new villain and he's more powerful than you can ever imagine! He has the power to rule the world!
...
See this guy? He's even more powerful. In fact if he wanted to he could rule the world!
...
This new guy? So much more powerful than the last! He has the very power to rule over everyone in this world!
...
Alright, THIS guy. This is the one you watch out for. All those others were chumps because this guy can RULE THE WORLD.
...
Those were all pansies compared to this dude. He could be the emperor of everything if he wanted to be!
...
Okay, new baddie, same damn thing yadda yadda get excited. Rule the world....!
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 16 2015 02:38 GMT
#3250
On June 16 2015 11:36 Hyperbola wrote:
See this guy? He's the new villain and he's more powerful than you can ever imagine! He has the power to rule the world!
...
See this guy? He's even more powerful. In fact if he wanted to he could rule the world!
...
This new guy? So much more powerful than the last! He has the very power to rule over everyone in this world!
...
Alright, THIS guy. This is the one you watch out for. All those others were chumps because this guy can RULE THE WORLD.
...
Those were all pansies compared to this dude. He could be the emperor of everything if he wanted to be!
...
Okay, new baddie, same damn thing yadda yadda get excited. Rule the world....!

welcome to every action manga ever written?
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2555 Posts
June 16 2015 02:45 GMT
#3251
On June 16 2015 11:38 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 11:36 Hyperbola wrote:
See this guy? He's the new villain and he's more powerful than you can ever imagine! He has the power to rule the world!
...
See this guy? He's even more powerful. In fact if he wanted to he could rule the world!
...
This new guy? So much more powerful than the last! He has the very power to rule over everyone in this world!
...
Alright, THIS guy. This is the one you watch out for. All those others were chumps because this guy can RULE THE WORLD.
...
Those were all pansies compared to this dude. He could be the emperor of everything if he wanted to be!
...
Okay, new baddie, same damn thing yadda yadda get excited. Rule the world....!

welcome to every action manga ever written?

Except One Piece.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 16 2015 03:26 GMT
#3252
On June 16 2015 11:45 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 11:38 Forikorder wrote:
On June 16 2015 11:36 Hyperbola wrote:
See this guy? He's the new villain and he's more powerful than you can ever imagine! He has the power to rule the world!
...
See this guy? He's even more powerful. In fact if he wanted to he could rule the world!
...
This new guy? So much more powerful than the last! He has the very power to rule over everyone in this world!
...
Alright, THIS guy. This is the one you watch out for. All those others were chumps because this guy can RULE THE WORLD.
...
Those were all pansies compared to this dude. He could be the emperor of everything if he wanted to be!
...
Okay, new baddie, same damn thing yadda yadda get excited. Rule the world....!

welcome to every action manga ever written?

Except One Piece.

one piece also completely cuts out the training bits though so its a given take

no timeskip training does not count
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2555 Posts
June 16 2015 05:24 GMT
#3253
Irrelevant. I was talking about a constantly rising skill "ceiling" where every new villain is the ultimate evil, otherwise known as the DBZ effect.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 16 2015 05:29 GMT
#3254
On June 16 2015 14:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Irrelevant. I was talking about a constantly rising skill "ceiling" where every new villain is the ultimate evil, otherwise known as the DBZ effect.

well Doflamingo might have tied that up and thrown it out the window in all honesty

and Fairy tail is hardly a casualty of the skill ceiling, the first boss (gerard if memories serves) is still definently relevant there has hardly been a DBZ esque scaling since their opponents havent dont things that are obviously stronger then the previous tier of boss and more importantly the main character hasnt scaled like Goku did

DBZ-effect was because it was basically constant training arcs with each one ending in a clear powerup for the main character but FT has not had such power ups, they just beat someone strong then someone else strong apears, not someone else who is clearly much stronger then the last boss
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 05:44:05
June 16 2015 05:37 GMT
#3255
On June 16 2015 14:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Irrelevant. I was talking about a constantly rising skill "ceiling" where every new villain is the ultimate evil, otherwise known as the DBZ effect.


The key to avoiding that is to clearly show that there are much more powerful people out there right from the start, which is what Oda did. Since Fairy Tail was supposed to end after 10 volumes... well Mashima didn't bother. Also you have to have a really good idea of where your manga is going to be able to do that.

On June 16 2015 14:29 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 14:24 Hyperbola wrote:
Irrelevant. I was talking about a constantly rising skill "ceiling" where every new villain is the ultimate evil, otherwise known as the DBZ effect.

well Doflamingo might have tied that up and thrown it out the window in all honesty

and Fairy tail is hardly a casualty of the skill ceiling, the first boss (gerard if memories serves) is still definently relevant there has hardly been a DBZ esque scaling since their opponents havent dont things that are obviously stronger then the previous tier of boss and more importantly the main character hasnt scaled like Goku did

DBZ-effect was because it was basically constant training arcs with each one ending in a clear powerup for the main character but FT has not had such power ups, they just beat someone strong then someone else strong apears, not someone else who is clearly much stronger then the last boss


Well almost no manga exhibit the DBZ-effect as strongly as DBZ did for obvious reasons. And I'd argue that old bosses still being relevant later on, or rather being powered up to be brought up to almost the same level as the new bigger badder boss is a symptom of the DBZ-effect.


Also I don't think DBZ-effect is a terrible terrible thing. It isn't ideal, but if you get a cool idea later on, its better to put it in and ask the reader to suspend their power level disbelief, than not put it in.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 16 2015 05:43 GMT
#3256
The key to avoiding that is to clearly show that there are much more powerful people out there right from the start, which is what Oda did. Since Fairy Tail was supposed to end after 10 volumes... well Mashima didn't bother. Also you have to have a really good idea of where your manga is going to be able to do that.


and hes continued showing how much more powerful people there are ever since


Well almost no manga exhibit the DBZ-effect as strongly as DBZ did for obvious reasons. And I'd argue that old bosses still being relevant later on, or rather being powered up to be brought up to almost the same level as the new bigger badder boss is a symptom of the DBZ-effect.


if old bosses are still relevant, then the power levels havent changed much which is the exact opposite of the DBZ effect

DBZ went from smashing rocks to smashing planets, FT hasnt done that at all
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 16 2015 05:48 GMT
#3257
FT has established who the big baddies are since forever ago. No one has been "the most powerful new villain". They were all literally cronies and Mashima very clearly laid out the hierarchy of the dark guilds early on so none of them has really been a surprise really. Notice how after wiping out the last of the true dark guilds the baddies that they destroyed after that was a Rolf stomp? Because FT has systematically taken down the higher tier dark guilds. There hasn't really been a parade of "most powerful guy eva!" because we all know its Zeref and the Dragon King and it has been that way since basically the start.

If anything bringing in this other kingdom feels like a stall tactic because Mashima knows he has basically progressed through all the villians that were foreshadowed and apparently he isn't ready to end the series yet so off to play in a different country (while also probably getting another power up to beat Zeref).
Never Knows Best.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 16 2015 05:49 GMT
#3258
if old bosses are still relevant, then the power levels havent changed much which is the exact opposite of the DBZ effect


Nope. Not if the old bosses become able to smash planets too.

Though on second thought, I guess I wouldn't call it a symptom either. It is simply a result of mangakas and writers in general wanting to reuse characters that have become fan favourites, and if the power levels have increased, the old characters power levels have to increased accordingly just to remain relevant.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 05:50:10
June 16 2015 05:49 GMT
#3259
On June 16 2015 14:48 Slaughter wrote:
FT has established who the big baddies are since forever ago. No one has been "the most powerful new villain". They were all literally cronies and Mashima very clearly laid out the hierarchy of the dark guilds early on so none of them has really been a surprise really. Notice how after wiping out the last of the true dark guilds the baddies that they destroyed after that was a Rolf stomp? Because FT has systematically taken down the higher tier dark guilds. There hasn't really been a parade of "most powerful guy eva!" because we all know its Zeref and the Dragon King and it has been that way since basically the start.

If anything bringing in this other kingdom feels like a stall tactic because Mashima knows he has basically progressed through all the villians that were foreshadowed and apparently he isn't ready to end the series yet so off to play in a different country (while also probably getting another power up to beat Zeref).

weve only known about Zeref and Acnologia for like 2 arcs


Though on second thought, I guess I wouldn't call it a symptom either. It is simply a result of mangakas and writers in general wanting to reuse characters that have become fan favourites, and if the power levels have increased, the old characters power levels have to increased accordingly just to remain relevant.


but they havent increased
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 06:15:01
June 16 2015 06:12 GMT
#3260
They were both mentioned waaay before the Island arc when they made their 1st appearances.

But yea I do dislike reusing old characters. In FT's case its Jellal. Mashima really fucked his character over just to have en excuse to keep him around. He was soo cool once but as he is now he just brings himself down (and he drags Erza with him since Mashima has decided that they must have an angsty romance that no one needed or wanted).
Never Knows Best.
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