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goody153
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Sapaio
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But my guess is Fnatic, Navi, VG and Secret wins. | ||
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Rufus Dupres
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For Fnatic: Just ban Io instead of Winter Wyvern. | ||
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On January 23 2020 20:10 Ej_ wrote: Clock the biggest surprise of the tournamet? I certainly didn't think he would show up this often. I think he has picked by some team as 4/5 pos but yeah same. Didnt think that hero still can do well as 3 pos | ||
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PoulsenB
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On January 23 2020 20:59 goody153 wrote: I think he has picked by some team as 4/5 pos but yeah same. Didnt think that hero still can do well as 3 pos he can do well as 3 but he basically can do the same thing as 4/5 | ||
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On January 23 2020 21:06 PoulsenB wrote: he can do well as 3 but he basically can do the same thing as 4/5 Exactly why i thought we wont ever see a 3 pos clock considering that's another offlane hero you can draft a team and clock is kinda not item dependent which doesnt make need to be on the offlane | ||
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You can feel his impact for sure not just like a closing out machine that other carries seem to be | ||
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goody153
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He is already going for it as AM on his 4th item lol | ||
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goody153
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Expected that more on nigma-eg | ||
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ShiaoPi
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aaand... AM dies again :S | ||
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goody153
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Wow they havent learned their lesson on TI9 Spirit vessel wouldve solved the unkillable huskar problem like any point of the game | ||
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Pontual
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On January 23 2020 21:45 Pontual wrote: Pizza Party Incoming? Probably not. Tbh this Fnatic roster is playing really well like it can improve even more Tho the team may have different ideas who knows | ||
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Nyan
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Game over. Time for some ads. And a break. Talk about the game for 2-5min. Break. Every time I try it to continue to watch it's like this. This flow just makes me come back when there are players playing dota. | ||
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On January 23 2020 22:01 Ej_ wrote: I'm glad Liquid are feeling confident after the game vs Virtus Pro, but holy shit, really?????? Feeling better and bouncing back after big mistakes is actually pretty important in the proscene. Teams like old Liquid(Nigma) wouldve never achieved as much if they tilted upon failing to play well in a day or two(perhaps months). Same with almost all top teams like secret, eg, og. We even had a TI winner who bounced back from almost getting eliminated( Newbee TI4) Not feeling down is super important | ||
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goody153
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Interesting pick by navi | ||
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On January 23 2020 22:24 goody153 wrote: I never thought of sniper against huskar but the hero can be pretty decent against him all stages of the game(sniper already doing well against huskar mid) Interesting pick by navi I think Magickal playing the hero in the first place helps a lot. I've seen Sniper recently only done by him and Noone. | ||
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They never put him in a position he can be caught or dies first | ||
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we have a game boys | ||
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goody153
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especially when sniper still has a slot to replace and aghs to purchase(sniper aghs deals shitton of damage) | ||
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BigO
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On January 23 2020 23:20 goody153 wrote: I really dislike moonshard pickup on ultralategame especially when sniper still has a slot to replace and aghs to purchase(sniper aghs deals shitton of damage) Not anymore, it just stuns. | ||
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goody153
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I think navi has the ultra lategame like naix can still replace items and referesher aghs on both omni and disruptor is crazy and still can be brought | ||
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ShiaoPi
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and Apex drops to Morph jesus christ | ||
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On January 23 2020 23:26 Ej_ wrote: Sniper Radiance lol Ah it was for the courier. Very nice. | ||
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goody153
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Sniper courier is so fat it has a radiance and is splitpushing lol | ||
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goody153
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their couriers are carryong the dust lol I think most just need to bkb stanic and dive the sniper. They should win the game | ||
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On January 23 2020 23:35 goody153 wrote: Morph has Apex. The ultimate item for stat based carries Does not matter :D | ||
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goody153
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Well this might be the first ultralategame situation this roster didnt throw lol | ||
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goody153
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It apparently did. Morphling having like 600 agi or some shit seems to be big deal | ||
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Ej_
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On January 23 2020 23:44 goody153 wrote: It apparently did. Morphling having like 600 agi or some shit seems to be big deal Yeah they ended up winning the last one fight after taking the racks, but were still hesitant to approach. | ||
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On January 23 2020 23:49 Ej_ wrote: Yeah they ended up winning the last one fight after taking the racks, but were still hesitant to approach. They should be cautious. That was still an ultralategame sniper with double guardian angel, double doom and double static storm. Even with apex it is still pretty risky lol | ||
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On January 23 2020 23:58 Salazarz wrote: Sooo... Na'Vi still as incapable of closing games out as ever? ;_; This was an exception. It was not navi trying to end but liquid trying to end it. Navi had a sniper. This navi is doinh relatively ok | ||
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On January 24 2020 00:31 Wintex wrote: The casters are actually misreading this game so hard, NaVi is in a decent position considering viper's start/. Not anymore. (if only they had a storm instead of a slark here) | ||
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Faruko
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idk, crystallize is good, but he seems to get stage freight like all the time, when it matters, he just doesn't show and i dont think a carry like that works tbh i wanted resolution  | ||
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On January 24 2020 00:45 Faruko wrote: this is navi in a nutshell, good 1 day, terrible after idk, crystallize is good, but he seems to get stage freight like all the time, when it matters, he just doesn't show and i dont think a carry like that works tbh i wanted resolution Idk dude this navi roster has potential compared to the last few ones. They just need some stuff to work with. The new liquid(old alliance) couldnt even qualify like 3 years ago now they improved vastly and actually challenging even the big teams | ||
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Not even gonna watch alliance vs secret later i think i know who is winning that one(secret don't tend to get upsetted by midtier teams ) | ||
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goody153
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He doesnt even think that BM is a bad pick against Omni/OD saves so long as he played the eating the map thing Interesting edit: Khezzu thinks the same on the mainstream well the 5-manning thing and pushing advantage only | ||
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Faruko
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(or are they in europe?) | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:37 Faruko wrote: yah, ramzesss is not going to last that much on EG if he keeps performing like this I mean you probably need to give him more time but as somewhat of a fan of his carry plays he looks wasted and/or not up to par on offlane :/ | ||
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But it's also hard to know how they intended their strategy to play out, so who really knows but them tbh. | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:39 Sloke wrote: I mean you probably need to give him more time but as somewhat of a fan of his carry plays he looks wasted and/or not up to par on offlane :/ Yeah, he looks pretty lost (i mean, barely any bad, but not top top tier material) in the offlane position. His carry skills are much higher than his offlane. But tbh, i'm also not sure about rtz lately, again this is top top level talking here. | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:42 Ej_ wrote: Wow Ceb says Alliance top 2 team this tournament. Yeah he thinks VG and Alliance are the strongest teams atm like Secret wasnt as solid from seeing the Fnatic series And tbh he hasnt been wrong at all while casting Eg-VG he pretty much called the entire series on how it would play out and who would win I still think Secret is gonna win tho | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:45 Faruko wrote: Yeah, he looks pretty lost (i mean, barely any bad, but not top top tier material) in the offlane position. His carry skills are much higher than his offlane. But tbh, i'm also not sure about rtz lately, again this is top top level talking here. Idk man Ceb said that Ramzes is doing pretty well as an offlaner and transitioned really well. (he said this on game 1 while casting with gorgc). I'd take the words of a pretty good offlane player It just seems like EG didnt understand when they were strongest during the games | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:50 goody153 wrote: Idk man Ceb said that Ramzes is doing pretty well as an offlaner and transitioned really well. (he said this on game 1 while casting with gorgc). I'd take the words of a pretty good offlane player It just seems like EG didnt understand when they were strongest during the games i mean, ceb is the pro here so i would take his word over mine lol but i would not call this performance this series as something to write home about | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:53 Faruko wrote: i mean, ceb is the pro here so i would take his word over mine lol but i would not call this performance this series as something to write home about I am alot less credible than Ceb but i liked Ramzes offlane than s4 offlane. Alot more aggressive and alot more playmaking than whatever s4 was doing when behind and tilting. Ramzes carry is rad tho i think he was a better carry than rtz alot of times while on VP Tho that was a different team so it might not translate as well on EG. | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:38 Dracolich70 wrote: Gotta wonder how Bulba is still part of EG. He fulfilled the scapegoat role. | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:55 goody153 wrote: I am alot less credible than Ceb but i liked Ramzes offlane than s4 offlane. Alot more aggressive and alot more playmaking than whatever s4 was doing when behind and tilting. Ramzes carry is rad tho that's for sure, i'd take ramzesss over s4 lol not sure who is avalaible anyway (offlane) so thats also another thing to consider | ||
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That for sure lol Alot of pro players think bulba is a greater thinker of the game which is probably why alot of teams had him in the past. Just not a great player. Which means he is just perfect on the coach position | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:57 Faruko wrote: that's for sure, i'd take ramzesss over s4 lol not sure who is avalaible anyway (offlane) so thats also another thing to consider One of the available offlaners is in the studio even! | ||
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Faruko
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hard choice | ||
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On January 24 2020 03:58 goody153 wrote: You can get away being less intelligent as a player, but not as a coach. They would do better without him.That for sure lol Alot of pro players think bulba is a greater thinker of the game which is probably why alot of teams had him in the past. Just not a great player. Which means he is just perfect on the coach position | ||
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goody153
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And most topteams nowadays are approaching the team making decision in a way that they instead work with the team for a long time and try to fix the issues than kick&replace(which was super prominent on the earlier half of dota proscene) Even teams like liquid, beastcoast and navi who arent doing as well are approaching the same thing | ||
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On January 24 2020 04:03 Dracolich70 wrote: You can get away being less intelligent as a player, but not as a coach. They would do better without him. Clearly EG thinks differently than what you suggest. Tbh EG is doing ok considering how much of the roster changes and they now have a supernew offlaner. VG is just better today | ||
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on the topic of current series I can see why Ceb was favoring [A], secret still hasn't really figured out the most optimal way to play with matu | ||
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On January 24 2020 04:07 Ej_ wrote: Why is Atos listed as one of the most popular items on Treant? This reminds me of when a mid Silencer on my team built Orchid 1st item. Extra root ? I thought people built meme hammer the most on that hero | ||
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On January 24 2020 04:13 goody153 wrote: Extra root ? I thought people built meme hammer the most on that hero Hammer/blink is normal. Solar Crest was also listed and it's usually built as the 3rd item (that or Vlads). I've never seen Atos and honestly don't know why it would be 4th most popular pick on the hero. | ||
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goody153
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On January 24 2020 04:17 Ej_ wrote: Alliance 0 stuns. GG Hammer/blink is normal. Solar Crest was also listed and it's usually built as the 3rd item (that on Vlads). I've never seen Atos and honestly don't know why it would be 4th most popular pick on the hero. Morph, Treant and CM cancels tps if that is your worry. I like secret draft more tho. I think Morph takes too long to join the fights and viper needs a good laning stage to be useful Feels like secret is gonna run them over midgame if they do well enough laning stage. @tree: yeah idk about the atos either | ||
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On January 24 2020 04:23 goody153 wrote: Morph, Treant and CM cancels tps if that is your worry. I like secret draft more tho. I think Morph takes too long to join the fights and viper needs a good laning stage to be useful Feels like secret is gonna run them over midgame if they do well enough laning stage. I was kidding, We all know that more stuns = better draft. I like the lanes for Secret, but the first blood on AW was a bit underwhelming | ||
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On January 24 2020 04:05 goody153 wrote: That VG being better has nothing to do with my comment. Your first sentence makes me wonder why you respond at all.Clearly EG thinks differently than what you suggest. Tbh EG is doing ok considering how much of the roster changes and they now have a supernew offlaner. VG is just better today | ||
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nvm, Orchid first item | ||
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On January 24 2020 04:32 goody153 wrote: Alliance is just giving up towers to Secret without much fight which is bad considering they have decent tower defenders and a tree and a viper without map control is a shitty hero, he won't have much farm unless something changes | ||
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It synergizes well with morphling (both hero and items since he goes manta in most games) but eblade is usually better in most cases which is probably why we don't see it as often | ||
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On January 24 2020 04:44 goody153 wrote: TF alliance just killed everybody casually It was an awful 1 by 1 feed by Secret. | ||
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Game is still not over for alliance tho if they dont get stupidly caught like that their morph is still on a spike of power atm | ||
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Tho they seem to be losing all their smokes always paid off catching secret unaware too | ||
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