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Here I was thinking about Tinker the entire time.
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On August 25 2018 11:31 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:29 Erasme wrote:On August 25 2018 11:23 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:20 ASoo wrote:On August 25 2018 11:13 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:11 dragonswarrior wrote:
I'm getting a little tired of folks calling sloppy Dota in games like this. Both teams are playing on the proverbial edge, trying to get everything out of the game and map that they possibly can. They're taking calculated risks. Maybe they wouldn't take them if they weren't in TI, but then if Liquid had just holed up in their base or moved around as 5 constantly EG would have split push them to death. OTOH if RTZ hadn't tried to get as much farm as possible he never would have been a threat to the CK. People thought this was a sloppy game? On August 25 2018 11:04 a-game wrote:
i feel like the primary attribute of that game was sloppiness by both sides Apparently. I thought it was mostly pretty impressively tight; the only moment I thought was at all throw-y was EG giving the rapier back with that teamfight fuck-up. I thought the LGD-OG was significantly more sloppy than this game. Here you just had both teams playing to their draft's strengths, looking for openings but neither team giving any. I think if anyone wants to call a game sloppy this is one of the last ones to do so. ?? how can some random people in a lr thread call the upper bracket final of TI "sloppy" wtf do u people even understand about whats going on lmao Did you watch the games? lol You had cores not using BKB, running off alone into high ground dying, teams just forcing fights randomly not playing around their timings, etc.
Didn't you know? All these teams suck and the winner will be the one who sucks least.
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This is like the first series ever this TI without brood/huskar/drow/wisp
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There's also more perceived sloppiness because teams force fights super, super hard sometimes now (even when they know they'll lose it at first) because they know they have a bb advantage. OG vs EG game 3 at dire bot shrine was a really good example. It might've looked like they were just randomly feeding at first, but they wiped EG with mass BBs and it won them the game.
Also the game's just a lot harder and messier than a few years ago. So many more items, so many high-impact abilities. It's usually impossible now to plan out fights the way Big God did at DAC, there are just too many variables.
edit: I do think group stages were super sloppy though, but teams got a lot better once they got comfortable with what they were playing.
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btw what is winter reasoning for timber pick ?
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On August 25 2018 11:31 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:29 Erasme wrote:On August 25 2018 11:23 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:20 ASoo wrote:On August 25 2018 11:13 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:11 dragonswarrior wrote:
I'm getting a little tired of folks calling sloppy Dota in games like this. Both teams are playing on the proverbial edge, trying to get everything out of the game and map that they possibly can. They're taking calculated risks. Maybe they wouldn't take them if they weren't in TI, but then if Liquid had just holed up in their base or moved around as 5 constantly EG would have split push them to death. OTOH if RTZ hadn't tried to get as much farm as possible he never would have been a threat to the CK. People thought this was a sloppy game? On August 25 2018 11:04 a-game wrote:
i feel like the primary attribute of that game was sloppiness by both sides Apparently. I thought it was mostly pretty impressively tight; the only moment I thought was at all throw-y was EG giving the rapier back with that teamfight fuck-up. I thought the LGD-OG was significantly more sloppy than this game. Here you just had both teams playing to their draft's strengths, looking for openings but neither team giving any. I think if anyone wants to call a game sloppy this is one of the last ones to do so. ?? how can some random people in a lr thread call the upper bracket final of TI "sloppy" wtf do u people even understand about whats going on lmao Did you watch the games? lol You had cores not using BKB, running off alone into high ground dying, teams just forcing fights randomly not playing around their timings, etc.
You do realize you're watching this game with full vision and that theyre not ?
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On August 25 2018 11:32 Orome wrote:
There's also more perceived sloppiness because teams force fights super, super hard sometimes now (even when they know they'll lose it at first) because they know they have a bb advantage. OG vs EG game 3 at dire bot shrine was a really good example. It might've looked like they were just randomly feeding at first, but they wiped EG with mass BBs and it won them the game.
Also the game's just a lot harder and messier than a few years ago. So many more items, so many high-impact abilities. It's usually impossible now to plan out fights the way Big God did at DAC, there are just too many variables.
There's also the issue of the viewer being able to see everything at once while the teams have very limited information.
edit: sniped by Erasme, feels bad.
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I'm dying after seeing that RTZ/Envy body pillow. Like holy shit, audience!
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On August 25 2018 11:32 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:29 Erasme wrote:On August 25 2018 11:23 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:20 ASoo wrote:On August 25 2018 11:13 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:11 dragonswarrior wrote:
I'm getting a little tired of folks calling sloppy Dota in games like this. Both teams are playing on the proverbial edge, trying to get everything out of the game and map that they possibly can. They're taking calculated risks. Maybe they wouldn't take them if they weren't in TI, but then if Liquid had just holed up in their base or moved around as 5 constantly EG would have split push them to death. OTOH if RTZ hadn't tried to get as much farm as possible he never would have been a threat to the CK. People thought this was a sloppy game? On August 25 2018 11:04 a-game wrote:
i feel like the primary attribute of that game was sloppiness by both sides Apparently. I thought it was mostly pretty impressively tight; the only moment I thought was at all throw-y was EG giving the rapier back with that teamfight fuck-up. I thought the LGD-OG was significantly more sloppy than this game. Here you just had both teams playing to their draft's strengths, looking for openings but neither team giving any. I think if anyone wants to call a game sloppy this is one of the last ones to do so. ?? how can some random people in a lr thread call the upper bracket final of TI "sloppy" wtf do u people even understand about whats going on lmao Did you watch the games? lol You had cores not using BKB, running off alone into high ground dying, teams just forcing fights randomly not playing around their timings, etc. You do realize you're watching this game with full vision and that theyre not ?
Yeah of course but you don't need full vision to not make those mistakes
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On August 25 2018 11:32 Snakesneaks wrote:
btw what is winter reasoning for timber pick ?
It trades evenly with Viper and is a hard counter to TB.
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On August 25 2018 11:32 Snakesneaks wrote:
btw what is winter reasoning for timber pick ?
he says it does damage and can hold its own in the lane vs viper. Plus destroys illusions from Terrorblade.
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On August 25 2018 11:33 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
I'm dying after seeing that RTZ/Envy body pillow. Like holy shit, audience!
Truly a new layer of fandom that we haven't seen yet.
@Liquid staff when do we get the Liquid player body pillows? Asking for a friend.
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On August 25 2018 11:28 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:19 dragonswarrior wrote:On August 25 2018 11:16 Orome wrote:On August 25 2018 11:12 dragonswarrior wrote:On August 25 2018 11:11 Orome wrote:
Look Dota, I've had a rough week. Is it too much to ask that the teams I like win? And that the team I want to win the whole thing doesn't throw game 3 of the UB finals like a random pubstack?
Yours faithfully, me Hey pal, I've had a rough week too and an EG victory tonight would make everything much better. Cheers. You can have the EG win today if I get LGD tomorrow! I wish I could say "deal!" because that'd be nice... But I'd be lying XD. I want Sumail to be the first to win two TI's more than anything else in Dota. it's a fight to the death then
So be it! En garde and all that!
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oh come on, now i have to cheer against a timber...
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On August 25 2018 11:34 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:33 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
I'm dying after seeing that RTZ/Envy body pillow. Like holy shit, audience! Truly a new layer of fandom that we haven't seen yet. @Liquid staff when do we get the Liquid player body pillows? Asking for a friend.
relayed that question in our staff chat. Fingers crossed!!!
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On August 25 2018 11:35 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:34 intotheheart wrote:On August 25 2018 11:33 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
I'm dying after seeing that RTZ/Envy body pillow. Like holy shit, audience! Truly a new layer of fandom that we haven't seen yet. @Liquid staff when do we get the Liquid player body pillows? Asking for a friend. relayed that question in our staff chat. Fingers crossed!!!
If you get fired it's not my fault okay?
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On August 25 2018 11:33 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:32 Erasme wrote:On August 25 2018 11:31 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:29 Erasme wrote:On August 25 2018 11:23 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:20 ASoo wrote:On August 25 2018 11:13 Kishin2 wrote:On August 25 2018 11:11 dragonswarrior wrote:
I'm getting a little tired of folks calling sloppy Dota in games like this. Both teams are playing on the proverbial edge, trying to get everything out of the game and map that they possibly can. They're taking calculated risks. Maybe they wouldn't take them if they weren't in TI, but then if Liquid had just holed up in their base or moved around as 5 constantly EG would have split push them to death. OTOH if RTZ hadn't tried to get as much farm as possible he never would have been a threat to the CK. People thought this was a sloppy game? On August 25 2018 11:04 a-game wrote:
i feel like the primary attribute of that game was sloppiness by both sides Apparently. I thought it was mostly pretty impressively tight; the only moment I thought was at all throw-y was EG giving the rapier back with that teamfight fuck-up. I thought the LGD-OG was significantly more sloppy than this game. Here you just had both teams playing to their draft's strengths, looking for openings but neither team giving any. I think if anyone wants to call a game sloppy this is one of the last ones to do so. ?? how can some random people in a lr thread call the upper bracket final of TI "sloppy" wtf do u people even understand about whats going on lmao Did you watch the games? lol You had cores not using BKB, running off alone into high ground dying, teams just forcing fights randomly not playing around their timings, etc. You do realize you're watching this game with full vision and that theyre not ? Yeah of course but you don't need full vision to not make those mistakes
And I'm telling you that we don't fully understand those players decision because of our limited knowledge of this game compared to them
Popping a bkb at a wrong moment can be game losing
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On August 25 2018 11:34 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 11:33 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
I'm dying after seeing that RTZ/Envy body pillow. Like holy shit, audience! Truly a new layer of fandom that we haven't seen yet. @Liquid staff when do we get the Liquid player body pillows? Asking for a friend.
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