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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 23 2018 19:40 GMT
#301
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.

Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.
The Bomber boy
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 23 2018 19:41 GMT
#302
On August 24 2018 04:40 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 04:38 Furikawari wrote:
Well, still, VP made much harder than it should have been

They played it safe but they they don't know how to play safe, it's hindering them at TI. They should embrace their hothead qualities which win them games throughout the year.


Yea they're playing too scared. Time to let go and davai. Pick good lanes, pick mass disables/burst and just plowwww
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 23 2018 19:41 GMT
#303
On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.

Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.


do you not think alch is a stupid hero too? tiny had a balls to the wall amazing game, otherwise he stops mattering past 30 minutes
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 23 2018 19:42 GMT
#304
On August 24 2018 04:39 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 04:37 nojok wrote:
On August 24 2018 04:33 Yurie wrote:
On August 24 2018 04:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
Fuck i just realized the 22-50 kill score.

This is a pub, not a TI top8 match.


I see it more like Dota has achieved a meta where kills are profitable when you want to win. Instead of risky as in League (historically at least) where you have 10 kills in an entire game.

LoL They did so many things right (skillshot spam is so satisfying) but the meta has not changed since the beta, they really fucked up somewhere.


I personally think the dash, skill shot spam etc is what is getting them stuck. Is like Battlerite light with some ARTS elements tacked on.

I can't tell, I gave up on LoL when dota 2 transitionned to open beta (got a key from TL at the very end of the clsoed beta when TL was giving tons of them). And every time I gave a try to LoL it was still stuck in the 1 1 1 2 laning phase with linear power curves.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
August 23 2018 19:42 GMT
#305
On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.

Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.

If Optic didn't have Huskar in the first game, they would end up just like in this one lol.

Dumb arguments are dumb.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Sloke
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany2433 Posts
August 23 2018 19:43 GMT
#306
PPD better opens his golden strategy box for this "bo1" with the winning strat. it would probably need to be a cheesy one
Land of Confusion - Genesis/Disturbed/Stella Starlight Trio
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
August 23 2018 19:43 GMT
#307
On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.

Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.


If Optic didnt had Huskar who is kinda a stupid hero they wouldve lost game 1 so hard after losing the 2 sidelanes.
Come On VP!!! FUck em Up.!!
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12006 Posts
August 23 2018 19:44 GMT
#308
WW instead of jakiro and it might have worked? Though lane for alch would have been even worse.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 23 2018 19:46 GMT
#309
On August 24 2018 04:44 Yurie wrote:
WW instead of jakiro and it might have worked? Though lane for alch would have been even worse.

The alche WW lane would have lost very hard to brood.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
kazyv
Profile Joined May 2013
273 Posts
August 23 2018 19:47 GMT
#310
so why the fuck did ppd draft drow anyway? they played without a carry that game, 13k dmg

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4076114893
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 23 2018 19:47 GMT
#311
what pajkatt said to peter:

"don't ever pick drow before 4th pick"
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 19:52:14
August 23 2018 19:51 GMT
#312
On August 24 2018 04:41 Achaian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.

Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.


do you not think alch is a stupid hero too? tiny had a balls to the wall amazing game, otherwise he stops mattering past 30 minutes

No after all the nerfs that have happened and the addition of super urn, it`s not the dumbest shit.
Brood was a situational draft winner and now it`s very difficult to counter it without letting it have fun for a long time.
Tiny with a smart team looks like a hero with longer legs, tbh. The ability to remove supports and synergize with loads of abilities and throw stuff is pretty good.

On August 24 2018 04:43 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.

Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.


If Optic didnt had Huskar who is kinda a stupid hero they wouldve lost game 1 so hard after losing the 2 sidelanes.
Come On VP!!! FUck em Up.!!

They could have mitigated it at least a bit like Synd said they could, with different lanes. I believe, anyway.
The Bomber boy
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 23 2018 19:53 GMT
#313
first pick ursa? stop making me nervous, peter
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 23 2018 19:55 GMT
#314
PPD sure has balls for carry picks.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 23 2018 19:58 GMT
#315
Is it possible to fit WW into VP's draft?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
August 23 2018 19:58 GMT
#316
what a piiiick
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 23 2018 19:58 GMT
#317
this clinkz has the potential to eat WK or tiny alive in lane
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 20:01:27
August 23 2018 20:00 GMT
#318
flex pick NP? again, not a hero that's great against clinkz...

my heart is pounding this draft they're taking so long
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
August 23 2018 20:00 GMT
#319
Clinkz is going to have a field day this game , everyone are food for him.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
August 23 2018 20:01 GMT
#320
inb4 PPD go huskar again
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