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Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Poll: Optic Gaming vs Virtus ProVirtus Pro Win (33) 77% Optic Gaming Win (10) 23% 43 total votes Your vote: Optic Gaming vs Virtus Pro (Vote): Optic Gaming Win
(Vote): Virtus Pro Win
Poll: Vici Gaming Storm vs Team SecretTeam Secret Win (26) 65% Vici Gaming Storm Win (14) 35% 40 total votes Your vote: Vici Gaming Storm vs Team Secret (Vote): Vici Gaming Storm Win
(Vote): Team Secret Win
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optic are 2 to 1 odds to win
secret vs storm are basically even odds
hoping optic can win but optic don’t have an ana so i don’t know if optic can upset like og did
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side note: getting kind of annoying that they are matt damon-ing kyle on the late show lol
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
VP
Secret
Then VP crash EG
Secret crash Liquid
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Secret vs Storm
If secret can hold reso, the game juz favour Secret. Reso is a beast, the rest are juz nothing.
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On August 23 2018 22:40 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Secret vs Storm
If secret can hold reso, the game juz favour Secret. Reso is a beast, the rest are juz nothing.
You're delusional.
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Poor OpTic, having to face VP yet again in a major tourney. Hopefully Peter's prayed to every god for Virtus Throw to show up and choke like they usually do at TI
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On August 23 2018 22:40 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Secret vs Storm
If secret can hold reso, the game juz favour Secret. Reso is a beast, the rest are juz nothing.
LOL no
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Why is there not being used (or very little) invis heroes besides Clinkz at this TI?
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On August 24 2018 00:40 Sapaio wrote:
Why is there not being used (or very little) invis heroes besides Clinkz at this TI?
Because the obs ward bounty changes. Now that they're worth a hefty (and scaling) chunk of xp and gold, supports don't feel as bad for buying eighty billion sentries and dumping them everywhere.
There have been a handful of rikis and plenty of shadowblades, though.
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i see, just find it a bit strange that teams that are behind don't try it in best of 3.
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On August 24 2018 00:05 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 22:40 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Secret vs Storm
If secret can hold reso, the game juz favour Secret. Reso is a beast, the rest are juz nothing. You're delusional.
He is the guy that said in other thread how Valve releases patches pre-TI that favors western players which is the reason why they are better, how DP is nerfed and so is PL(!?), and only western teams play VS(LOL).
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On August 23 2018 22:40 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Secret vs Storm
If secret can hold reso, the game juz favour Secret. Reso is a beast, the rest are juz nothing.
Lol.
OK, VP and VGJ, let's make this quick so I can watch EG plays.
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On August 24 2018 00:52 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 00:40 Sapaio wrote:
Why is there not being used (or very little) invis heroes besides Clinkz at this TI? Because the obs ward bounty changes. Now that they're worth a hefty (and scaling) chunk of xp and gold, supports don't feel as bad for buying eighty billion sentries and dumping them everywhere. There have been a handful of rikis and plenty of shadowblades, though.
Weaver is at the perma ban stage more or less. Mirana has seen a lot of play and bans as well. Nyx has also seen some small amount of play, same with treant.
The only invis hero not seeing play in bounty hunter?
The gold talents are also probably part of it. Easier to afford sentries when you get one for free from talents without having 0 items.
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wait, the time on the calendar/sidebar changed
today starts 1 hour later than usual or what?
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On August 24 2018 01:45 uthgard wrote:
wait, the time on the calendar/sidebar changed
today starts 1 hour later than usual or what?
inb4 vp tweets about giving optic more time in the tournament
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Delay? 
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Uhm, Kuro is pretty on point at finding talents too: Jerax, Matu, Mind Control, GH.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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At least the Open AI Five showmatch is rightfully put last for the day.
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On August 24 2018 02:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:
At least the Open AI Five showmatch is rightfully put last for the day.
I don't think so. It's before the EG match.
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I just want TI to be held in Europe :<
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Why is there another Open AI match? I'm really not that interested in it anymore.
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On August 24 2018 02:14 ChickenDieAlive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 02:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:
At least the Open AI Five showmatch is rightfully put last for the day. I don't think so. It's before the EG match.
Guess I misread the schedule on the right.
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Is not Rio de Janeiro but Sao Paulo is a top tier city, i love it
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Holy shit I didn't know local grassroots dota was a thing at all. That's pretty fucking cool.
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ok, i cried a bit
esports in SA is hard, actually harsh is a better word
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I find the Mara Cup story fascinating for taking place in a country with virtually no PC e-sport scene. Also the whole food prize thing.
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Japanese farmers uniting to raise awareness of their products while promoting dota2.
I love it.
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On August 24 2018 02:16 Danzo wrote:
Why is there another Open AI match? I'm really not that interested in it anymore.
Yeah they are milking that shit for all it's worth.
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Only missing Titanic music
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Many, many, many fishes; Many, many, many fishes; Many, many, many fishes; Many, many, many fishes. o_O
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LOL this guy is hilarious, best segment so far
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man CM gotta work for food in japan
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On August 24 2018 02:31 Faruko wrote:
man CM gotta work for food in japan
Next level support.
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CM making salads gonna be a meme
[Edit]
sunnn strikuuuu
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best segment ever, reminds me of sonic in bw
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The little Japanese tournament that could!
Really cool stuff, wp Slacks!
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that was legit the best segment I've seen from all TIs.
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can optic beat VP
lets see what my boy ppd prepared
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I think VP will win but let's go, Optics.
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would need some kinda implosion from VP for optic to win this one
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On August 24 2018 02:05 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
Uhm, Kuro is pretty on point at finding talents too: Jerax, Matu, Mind Control, GH.
I always considered Kuro more as an expert in developing talent than discovering it. Back from the Mouz days with Fata and Black^ (who said in an interview that he learned more about Dota from Kuro in a month than his whole playing career until then), over the first iteration of Liquid with Jerax, Matu and MC (probably one of the greatest development jumps we have ever seen in a player in Dota) to the TI winning squad with Gh and Miracle (an already established superstar, who became a far more complete player under Kuroky).
He just knows exactly what his players need to do to improve, which is one of the reasons he is so respected.While others may be even better scouts he is one if not the best player coaches in the scene.
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I liked that BTS segment. Among best panel segments this TI.
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Risky start for VP with 0 reliable stuns.
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On August 24 2018 02:51 Yurie wrote:
Risky start for VP with 0 reliable stuns.
I mean, Ench and Oracle counter all of Optic's heroes lol.
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Storm could be good here. Sniping off the oracle or IO.
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damn, i like that huskar pick
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On August 24 2018 02:54 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 02:51 Yurie wrote:
Risky start for VP with 0 reliable stuns. I mean, Ench and Oracle counter all of Optic's heroes lol.
Ench and DK was picked after I wrote that. DK handles a large part of their stun problem.
Not sure Huskar is right against oracle. Can't lifesteal at all.
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On August 24 2018 02:55 Yurie wrote:
Storm could be good here. Sniping off the oracle or IO.
Yes if there is only one of them in the fight, but they protect each other nicely, and Storm is bad against DK's instant stun. Storm wouldn't be able to solo kill anyone there.
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STOP. WITH. THE. STATS. PLEASE.
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On August 24 2018 02:56 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 02:55 Yurie wrote:
Storm could be good here. Sniping off the oracle or IO. Yes if there is only one of them in the fight, but they protect each other nicely, and Storm is bad against DK's instant stun. Storm wouldn't be able to solo kill anyone there.
One of the normal strats is doing IO+gyro farming and three man other side of map looking for relocate opportunity. In team fight it isn't as strong but should still work out.
DK also isn't instant stun in team fights since you normally are in dragon form.
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On August 24 2018 02:38 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 02:05 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
Uhm, Kuro is pretty on point at finding talents too: Jerax, Matu, Mind Control, GH. I always considered Kuro more as an expert in developing talent than discovering it. Back from the Mouz days with Fata and Black^ (who said in an interview that he learned more about Dota from Kuro in a month than his whole playing career until then), over the first iteration of Liquid with Jerax, Matu and MC (probably one of the greatest development jumps we have ever seen in a player in Dota) to the TI winning squad with Gh and Miracle (an already established superstar, who became a far more complete player under Kuroky). He just knows exactly what his players need to do to improve, which is one of the reasons he is so respected.While others may be even better scouts he is one if not the best player coaches in the scene. Most he played with had a very poor grasp of the fundamentals of the game, and that remained so for most of them. It wasn't until he worked with Puppy he evolved, which he transitioned onto 5jungz. He has vast experience, and deserves credit for solving issues, and getting the best of of situations, but the past is not where you find this, likely more on reflection of all the mistakes made.
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picking a huskar into an oracle is very strange, considering inner vitality is purgeable and the disarm is super strong.
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i'm not sure about DK going mid, that's going to be impossible for noone
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On August 24 2018 02:58 Faruko wrote:
i'm not sure about DK going mid, that's going to be impossible for noone
Only other option would be enchantress and you have nobody that can take bane + clinkz either.
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On August 24 2018 02:57 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 02:38 Sphaero wrote:On August 24 2018 02:05 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
Uhm, Kuro is pretty on point at finding talents too: Jerax, Matu, Mind Control, GH. I always considered Kuro more as an expert in developing talent than discovering it. Back from the Mouz days with Fata and Black^ (who said in an interview that he learned more about Dota from Kuro in a month than his whole playing career until then), over the first iteration of Liquid with Jerax, Matu and MC (probably one of the greatest development jumps we have ever seen in a player in Dota) to the TI winning squad with Gh and Miracle (an already established superstar, who became a far more complete player under Kuroky). He just knows exactly what his players need to do to improve, which is one of the reasons he is so respected.While others may be even better scouts he is one if not the best player coaches in the scene. Most he played with had a very poor grasp of the fundamentals of the game, and that remained so for most of them. It wasn't until he worked with Puppy he evolved, which he transitioned onto 5jungz. He has vast experience, and deserves credit for solving issues, and getting the best of of situations, but the past is not where you find this, likely more on reflection of all the mistakes made.
Agreed, puppey was the mind behind kuro's development, he was the 1 position carry star that needed guidance back then, and now he has followed the same steps of his tutor.
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Necrophos doesn't really seem like a counter to the io gyro at all when you see it in game. Strange so many teams go for it.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
ghost shroud against rocket barrage lul
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On August 24 2018 03:07 Yurie wrote:
Necrophos doesn't really seem like a counter to the io gyro at all when you see it in game. Strange so many teams go for it.
Its the other way around actually, so yeah I don't know. Necro can't handle Gyro's magic damage at all.
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First huskar rotation will be crucial.
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Is Huskar going to stay alive when at some point DK gets a blink to stun him and Ench just hits him from far?
I think Optic needs to be far ahead to have a chance in fights in 10-15mins
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i'm not sure, but i feel this game is kinda over now, i have a feeling
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
So do i, i am just not sure which way.
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When IO is false promised, can he heal even though his hp is locked?
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On August 24 2018 03:11 Yurie wrote:
When IO is false promised, can he heal even though his hp is locked?
don't think so, pretty sure he meant to false promise the gyro in that fight at mid
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Solo is not a very clutch Oracle.
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I still feel like Optic is going to lose :/
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fiend's grip is pretty good versus early bkb
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Getting closer to that EG vs Optic grudge match.
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VP looked so vulnerable in the main stage. its as if they're back to Vitrus Throw era.
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So the meme that VP chokes at TI true?
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Why did CM disappear in this tournament? Still had positive win rate when it stopped being picked.
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VP looking awful like they have the whole tournament. Doubt they will get any further than this
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Putting the game on the back of ccnc huskar. Must feel good to be on a team with captain ppd, really tries to draw the 100% potential out of any player.
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On August 24 2018 03:20 Danzo wrote:
So the meme that VP chokes at TI true?
TI curses are no laughing matter.
So bet on LGD to win.
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OpTic's taking the lead, but I still think VP's gonna win, sadly
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I'm normally all for having a hero with healing abilities in the lineup, but 3 surely arent necessary.
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optic played that fight masterfully, I can't believe nobody died
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All 4 optic heroes below 30% hp.
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I am confused whether it is PPD being a TI god, or VP choking.
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everything almost went to shit for optic, risky dive.
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On August 24 2018 03:23 Achaian wrote:
optic played that fight masterfully, I can't believe nobody died
Ppd died at the start.
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On August 24 2018 03:21 Nevuk wrote:
Nerfed
She has 51% win rate this TI. Which is after the nerf. Played once on main stage. 42 times in groups.
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VP is playing meh and this is actually a bigger outdraft than I expected
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On August 24 2018 03:23 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:23 Achaian wrote:
optic played that fight masterfully, I can't believe nobody died Ppd died at the start.
do we even count ppd deaths? but yes you're right
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Would really like teams to go rapier after bkb on gyro here in this situation.
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I haven't seen much of that legendary VP confidence this TI.
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Huskar seems a bit too strong at this point. My thought that he might just die to Ench may not come true, especially because Ench is constantly threatened by Clinkz in any fight. Maybe VP will do something with this Gyro DD
Alright VP didn't manage to use DD for anything either
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On August 24 2018 03:24 uthgard wrote:
VP is playing meh and this is actually a bigger outdraft than I expected
Only because they didn't bother switching lanes. Pure stubbornness on VP's part.
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VP not focusing heroes costing them this fight , you need to ignore Huskar until he is last or you all burst him first , in any case PPD took game 1 with the huskar pick , shame on VP for allowing it and getting cheesed , also i am not sure why you fight here , just go back and farm more , you cannot win vs huskar when he had a good start into the mid game , you need to delay the game as much as possible and when Optic comes knocking on your T3 then you go , and in exterme cases even let a rax fall.
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On August 24 2018 03:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:24 uthgard wrote:
VP is playing meh and this is actually a bigger outdraft than I expected Only because they didn't bother switching lanes. Pure stubbornness on VP's part.
They won both side lanes due to their lane setup. Though losing mid as badly as they did seems to have been worse.
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VP have been looking really uncomfortable with this meta.
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On August 24 2018 03:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
I am confused whether it is PPD being a TI god, or VP choking.
Well VP's drafting is definitely off just like a lot of other teams in the tournament. LGD and OG are the only ones still confident in playing their own drafts and playstyle. Even Liquid draft seems a bit off sometimes.
This TI meta is literally NA dota meta, so all the NA teams are pretty much overperforming
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On August 24 2018 03:24 Yurie wrote:She has 51% win rate this TI. Which is after the nerf. Played once on main stage. 42 times in groups.
Ah, thought you were asking why she was picked less than at summit. Group vs mainstage, no idea.
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On August 24 2018 03:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I haven't seen much of that legendary VP confidence this TI.
LGD brought them back to earth , they probably said "eh , group stage , we are just wraming up" and then BAM LGD takes them out of the winners bracket and now ALL of the pressure is on them , lets see if they can handle it.
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good, but really costly bkb by ramzes
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Interesting CCNC doesn't use armlet at start of fight when rocket and other slow stuff stuns him.
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On August 24 2018 03:27 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 24 2018 03:24 uthgard wrote:
VP is playing meh and this is actually a bigger outdraft than I expected Only because they didn't bother switching lanes. Pure stubbornness on VP's part. They won both side lanes due to their lane setup. Though losing mid as badly as they did seems to have been worse.
Largely irrelevant because the hero that won mid was the one they couldn't afford to ignore.
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TI is to VP what high ground was to old VP.
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Huskar just letting Clinkz clean up.
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Did people forget PPD is the lower bracket god?
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I don't remember OpTIc ever beating VP in a game, have they before?
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On August 24 2018 03:30 plasmidghost wrote:
I don't remember OpTIc ever beating VP in a game, have they before?
The long game.
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And synderen understood that draft power so well, I'm impressed.
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On August 24 2018 03:30 plasmidghost wrote:
I don't remember OpTIc ever beating VP in a game, have they before?
I think they are 0-8 against VP
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VP yet again with a shit draft. No stuns. Can the real VP step up because this drafts and playstyle are not what they have been playing throughout the 2 years.
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On August 24 2018 03:30 plasmidghost wrote:
I don't remember OpTIc ever beating VP in a game, have they before?
Nope I don't think so, not even one game iirc.
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On August 24 2018 03:28 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:27 Yurie wrote:On August 24 2018 03:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 24 2018 03:24 uthgard wrote:
VP is playing meh and this is actually a bigger outdraft than I expected Only because they didn't bother switching lanes. Pure stubbornness on VP's part. They won both side lanes due to their lane setup. Though losing mid as badly as they did seems to have been worse. Largely irrelevant because the hero that won mid was the one they couldn't afford to ignore.
and who would you put mid against that huskar ? xd
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Even though Huskar was just a perfect pick, not sending Ench mid instead of DK was game losing decision, they might not have win it either way but they would have a better chance.
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On August 24 2018 03:30 MrCon wrote:
And synderen understood that draft power so well, I'm impressed.
It makes sense, he always drafted some sort of timing oriented line up, he has always been a one dimensional captain and this draft was right in his comfort zone.
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VP just lost the game vs Huskar , they won both top and bottom , and if a "normal" mid was played they wouldve been ok , but they got Huskerd .................. NoOne is tillting like mad now.
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CCNC is becoming one of my favorite players, he seems to be always in a good mood fro what i have seen this TI
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So what are the win rates of last pick vs first pick? Past TIs usually have a few overpowered heroes that force teams to waste ban on them. This TI seems like it's more about cancer last picks that dominate the lanes or just alch.
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On August 24 2018 03:31 DucK- wrote:
VP yet again with a shit draft. No stuns. Can the real VP step up because this drafts and playstyle are not what they have been playing throughout the 2 years.
this is TI, what do you expect
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On August 24 2018 03:31 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:28 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 24 2018 03:27 Yurie wrote:On August 24 2018 03:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 24 2018 03:24 uthgard wrote:
VP is playing meh and this is actually a bigger outdraft than I expected Only because they didn't bother switching lanes. Pure stubbornness on VP's part. They won both side lanes due to their lane setup. Though losing mid as badly as they did seems to have been worse. Largely irrelevant because the hero that won mid was the one they couldn't afford to ignore. and who would you put mid against that huskar ? xd
Enchantress is very good against Huskar in the early levels. Pasha knows how to play DK in the side lane.
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On August 24 2018 03:30 Danzo wrote:
Did people forget PPD is the lower bracket god?
2 losses 1 win in TI lower bracket matches.
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I think, same like Liquid, VP is at their best when they play around their mid player.
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On August 24 2018 02:57 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 02:38 Sphaero wrote:On August 24 2018 02:05 ChickenDieAlive wrote:
Uhm, Kuro is pretty on point at finding talents too: Jerax, Matu, Mind Control, GH. I always considered Kuro more as an expert in developing talent than discovering it. Back from the Mouz days with Fata and Black^ (who said in an interview that he learned more about Dota from Kuro in a month than his whole playing career until then), over the first iteration of Liquid with Jerax, Matu and MC (probably one of the greatest development jumps we have ever seen in a player in Dota) to the TI winning squad with Gh and Miracle (an already established superstar, who became a far more complete player under Kuroky). He just knows exactly what his players need to do to improve, which is one of the reasons he is so respected.While others may be even better scouts he is one if not the best player coaches in the scene. Most he played with had a very poor grasp of the fundamentals of the game, and that remained so for most of them. It wasn't until he worked with Puppy he evolved, which he transitioned onto 5jungz. He has vast experience, and deserves credit for solving issues, and getting the best of of situations, but the past is not where you find this, likely more on reflection of all the mistakes made.
I assume you mean the time together in Dota II at Navi and Secret rather than the old Ks.Int-days in Dota I (now back then Ppy had massive positive influence on Kuro).
Even if we ignore multiple statements by Fata and Black (amongst other figures in the German Dota scene) about Kuro´s vast knowledge even back in his Mouz days and say that his development skills only began with 5Jungz, then this still started three years ago, which is a damn long time span in an eight year old game. How does that not count as past?
This does not mean that Kuro himself of course did not develop especially as person and leader over his long career, though. The guy experienced a lot of positive and negative things in his long career. This shapes anyones personality.
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On August 24 2018 03:33 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:30 Danzo wrote:
Did people forget PPD is the lower bracket god? 2 losses 1 win in TI lower bracket matches.
LOL , thats why ppl forgot 
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Virtus throw no longer applies to VP*
*TI excluded
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On August 24 2018 03:33 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:30 Danzo wrote:
Did people forget PPD is the lower bracket god? 2 losses 1 win in TI lower bracket matches.
rofl
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On August 24 2018 03:34 nojok wrote:
Virtus throw no longer applies to VP*
*TI excluded
i know you're memeing but this doesn't fit your quote lmao
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On August 24 2018 03:36 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:34 nojok wrote:
Virtus throw no longer applies to VP*
*TI excluded i know you're memeing but this doesn't fit your quote lmao
Yeah that's right, VP is not even throwing at TI but they're underperforming for sure. They should focus on the psychologial aspect of the competition, they've figured out the rest of the game.
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When are we going to see Solo Ogre?
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It seems sometimes as if winning TI requires teams to quickly learn the new meta that develops during TI itself. Virtus Pro were perhaps good during the relatively stable meta over the past year. But Chinese Teams are quickly at updating their play style. Optic Gaming seems also good at that (due to PPD).
The meta even seems to change between different phases of TI. In the group stages, WK was very dominant. Also Weaver and Winter Wyvern. But in the main event, you don't see those as much. Much more Drow, Enchant, etc.
But OG's results kinda defeat that point, because they appear to have their own niche, and still manage to win.
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My impression is Noone carry hero pool is getting fucked by the cancer mid picks. That's why playmaker heroes are getting picked for him but VP can't play around that well
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Let's go PPD lower bracket god!
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On August 24 2018 03:41 dizzy101 wrote:
It seems sometimes as if winning TI requires teams to quickly learn the new meta that develops during TI itself. Virtus Pro were perhaps good during the relatively stable meta over the past year. But Chinese Teams are quickly at updating their play style. Optic Gaming seems also good at that (due to PPD).
The meta even seems to change between different phases of TI. In the group stages, WK was very dominant. Also Weaver and Winter Wyvern. But in the main event, you don't see those as much. Much more Drow, Enchant, etc.
But OG's results kinda defeat that point, because they appear to have their own niche, and still manage to win. 5 out of 6 Chinese teams have left early.
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On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god!
2nd try huh
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On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:2nd try huh
Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG?
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I feel very uncomfortable with letting VP have brood, and they banned TA too
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On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG?
i think you simply forgot ti is not like any other tournament
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Need PPD to win this. I want see an EG Optic grudge match
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On August 24 2018 03:48 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG? i think you simply forgot ti is not any other tournament
You're right, I forgot PPD so far has been top3 every TI he was in.
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Brood vs Alch, what a game
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I don't like this Alch pick, at all.
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ppd and EG still had some nice runs in the lower bracket during their time, maybe not at TI but there were quiet a few during other tournaments if I remember correctly
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On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG?
No but what striked us the most was day 1 EG, shitty day 1 captain that's for sure and it happened again this year.
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wtf is PPD doing. Drow Alch without banning brood (banning lich instead ??)
wth is happening here, it's too next level for me.
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On August 24 2018 03:48 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:48 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG? i think you simply forgot ti is not any other tournament You're right, I forgot PPD so far has been top3 every TI he was in.
You also forgot that PPD has been in winner bracket final of every TI he was in.
On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG?
You mean the day 1 EG meme?
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On August 24 2018 03:49 MrCon wrote:
wtf is PPD doing. Drow Alch without banning brood (banning lich instead ??)
wth is happening here, it's too next level for me.
Drow baited out brood pick. Alch was a response to brood.
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inb4 Brood feeds a hundred spiders to Alch
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On August 24 2018 03:41 dizzy101 wrote:
It seems sometimes as if winning TI requires teams to quickly learn the new meta that develops during TI itself. Virtus Pro were perhaps good during the relatively stable meta over the past year. But Chinese Teams are quickly at updating their play style. Optic Gaming seems also good at that (due to PPD).
The meta even seems to change between different phases of TI. In the group stages, WK was very dominant. Also Weaver and Winter Wyvern. But in the main event, you don't see those as much. Much more Drow, Enchant, etc.
But OG's results kinda defeat that point, because they appear to have their own niche, and still manage to win.
Weaver is a bad example. It has been banned a ton. The two games in this series it was banned in first phase. Mirana is a better example.
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Remember how bat was destroyed by Liquid brood in some game this dpc season :O
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On August 24 2018 03:49 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:48 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:48 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG? i think you simply forgot ti is not any other tournament You're right, I forgot PPD so far has been top3 every TI he was in. You also forgot that PPD has been in winner bracket final of every TI he was in. Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG? You mean the day 1 EG meme?
And lost upper bracket final into a lower bracket? I'm not sure what you're arguing about here.  Also my point of PPD being a lower bracket god is not just TI only. I'm kinda find it odd people want to look pass this.
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Counter picks after counter picks. Story of this TI
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On August 24 2018 03:50 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:49 MrCon wrote:
wtf is PPD doing. Drow Alch without banning brood (banning lich instead ??)
wth is happening here, it's too next level for me. Drow baited out brood pick. Alch was a response to brood.
Then VP picked Brood to bait out the Alch and then BAM CYKA TIME.
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Didn't Optic win against a bloodseeker with Alch?
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Bat should be really good against Brood in the game itself. If the Bat gets into a good start on his own lane he will prevent the Brood from posturing aggressively. And if you just trade farm with Brood against Alch, it's probably not going to go so well
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On August 24 2018 03:51 babysimba wrote:
Counter picks after counter picks. Story of this TI
That indicates no strategy is so strong that you always go for it and just try to get the best heroes in it. Laning is the closest we have come to it.
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This is going to be a crazy game. I have no idea who's gonna win, but let's go OpTic! #GreenWall
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On August 24 2018 03:51 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 24 2018 03:48 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:48 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG? i think you simply forgot ti is not any other tournament You're right, I forgot PPD so far has been top3 every TI he was in. You also forgot that PPD has been in winner bracket final of every TI he was in. On August 24 2018 03:47 Danzo wrote:On August 24 2018 03:46 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On August 24 2018 03:43 Danzo wrote:
Let's go PPD lower bracket god! 2nd try huh Did people just simply forget his tournaments with EG? You mean the day 1 EG meme? And lost upper bracket final into a lower bracket? I'm not sure what you're arguing about here. Also my point of PPD being a lower bracket god is not just TI only. I'm kinda find it odd people want to look pass this.
My point is that PPD is not any lower bracket god. To begin with, the only reason PPD's EG ever ended up in lower brackets was because they sucked on first day of tournament.
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On August 24 2018 03:52 Danzo wrote:
Didn't Optic win against a bloodseeker with Alch?
Yup.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4072635180
The other game they picked the BS themselves, so don't think they were happy with the matchup.
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On August 24 2018 03:52 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 03:51 babysimba wrote:
Counter picks after counter picks. Story of this TI That indicates no strategy is so strong that you always go for it and just try to get the best heroes in it. Laning is the closest we have come to it.
It's not a good thing, heroes become more and more identical.
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Alch really wants to dodge the BS. Not sure it will be fun solo bot though. Ah there the support tp.
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Yo, that is obvious choking right there.
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Some impatience from Rodjer.
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Brood vs Alch is stronger on side lane where the alch can't hide with the tower.
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n0one is on that tilt train
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Alch at 30 CS. Is that 15 spiders in 4 min?
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Meanwhile Alch probably makes more gold off of spiders than from creeps lol.
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Well. Not looking good for VP. It's a must for them to win lanes and choke the map out against alch
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Didn't think Jakiro would be so effective against spiderlings since the regen buff.
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On August 24 2018 03:59 Kishin2 wrote:
Didn't think Jakiro would be so effective against spiderlings since the regen buff.
More that it is a combo of two aoes and low level web.
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are venge and dark willow secretly a couple into bdsm because zai is whipping rodjer's ass right now
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Another game where NoOne is off the mid lane .... wow VP are going out ?!|!
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Finally something good for VP on safelane lmao.
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Noone must be so tilted right now. poor guy
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Mass denies from ramzes really crushing alch long term even though he fed some spiders. Alch can't stay there any longer.
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What's happening with NoOne? His play is way off and his physical look is worse than n0tail...
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this is going bad for optic
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On August 24 2018 04:02 Vadrigar wrote:
What's happening with NoOne? His play is way off and his physical look is worse than n0tail...
I would have an ugly face if my first game was DK vs Huskar and second one is Bloodseeker against Bat, too.
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Ouch, bat only optic hero that can lane.
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Being even on gold against alch is always a good sign but damn VP is playing so poorly relative to their standards.
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Think Tiny and brood have good enough laning phase for VP to take over the game despite BS getting rekt
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This is the VP I was expecting to show up
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On August 24 2018 04:06 plasmidghost wrote:
This is the VP I was expecting to show up
No[o]ne is not stomping d00dz, wrong VP.
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Ramzes uhhhh. That's some bad movements from VP.
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Hahaha Ramzes going full retard. I guess it's still in Optic favor
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Ladies and Gentlemen, Virtus Throw!
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On August 24 2018 04:06 plasmidghost wrote:
This is the VP I was expecting to show up
are they spamming chatwheels already?
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Pajkatt meanwhile is in afk farm mode lul
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On August 24 2018 04:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
Pajkatt meanwhile is in afk farm mode lul
is there anything else a drow can do in this game really?
considering the circumstances the radiance timing is good, but VP have some time to smack optic down though
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On August 24 2018 04:11 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
Pajkatt meanwhile is in afk farm mode lul is there anything else a drow can do in this game really? considering the circumstances the radiance timing is good, but VP have some time to smack optic down though
I am mostly commenting on everyone ignoring him, of course that's the only thing he can do right now lol.
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I think drow should join fights and help out with gust. Go full all-in on that alch. Doubt this drow is going to do any shit even if he's farmed.
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Nice rupture toss, that's what we want to see.
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BS buff proposal: flying distances must be included in calculation.
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this game is weird... VP lack a high ground sieger. They have to hard initiate and that might give optic some hope
that fight, yikes
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Fucking pussy VP only dares to BM tip after they know they are winning xD
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Two controlling ulties on BM and she ends up with health mostly untouched. O.o
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Very good Lich ban instead of brood PPD.
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On August 24 2018 04:14 babysimba wrote:
Fucking pussy VP only dares to BM tip after they know they are winning xD
But that's how Pain gaming got last place. If VP have plans to win, why would they want to mimic Pain's complete goofball behavior?
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On August 24 2018 04:14 babysimba wrote:
Fucking pussy VP only dares to BM tip after they know they are winning xD
tilting strategy: "tip 'em when they're down"
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Wait, Batrider still doesn't have Blink Dagger?
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Part of the reason Optic are in this position is probably on drum before dagger.
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Well I'm sure almost every team have muted VP.
They only know how to spam chatwheels after winning fights just by riding the gold advantage and casting spells.
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That tiny punch lul.
"Oh, you are kiting me? PUNCH"
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On August 24 2018 04:17 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Wait, Batrider still doesn't have Blink Dagger?
That's actually the reason in my opinion why they have been losing so far. Bat had free farm mid, and he decided to rush drums as team fight item, while he doesn't have team to fight with him, both Drow and Alche just wanted to farm. If he rushed dagger and tried to catch Brood, they wouldn't be so far behind in the early game.
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On August 24 2018 04:15 MrCon wrote:
Very good Lich ban instead of brood PPD.
I think he was trying to bait the brood out, that may have been unwise though considering the available alch counters
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On August 24 2018 04:21 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:17 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Wait, Batrider still doesn't have Blink Dagger? That's actually the reason in my opinion why they have been losing so far. Bat had free farm mid, and he decided to rush drums as team fight item, while he doesn't have team to fight with him, both Drow and Alche just wanted to farm. If he rushed dagger and tried to catch Brood, they wouldn't be so far behind in the early game.
Honestly think he did the right choice, it played out bad but drum allows constant fighting for map control. Blink allows a gank every 120s when ulti is up. Between which nothing is happening (more or less) for Optic.
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On August 24 2018 04:21 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:17 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Wait, Batrider still doesn't have Blink Dagger? That's actually the reason in my opinion why they have been losing so far. Bat had free farm mid, and he decided to rush drums as team fight item, while he doesn't have team to fight with him, both Drow and Alche just wanted to farm. If he rushed dagger and tried to catch Brood, they wouldn't be so far behind in the early game.
He can't do anything with a blink either. Bat requires some damage input from his own teammates. In fact, drums have a higher solo kill threat.
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I don't know what happened but Optic won that fight.
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that's a lot of gold to put into alch!
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VP spread out and then went in for the fight from that.
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i'm not sure how vp really goes highground tho
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Crazy how one bad fight and suddenly Alch jumps up in net worth
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I don't mind VP being eliminated if they're playing poorly, I root for them because they're entertaining but that's not the case atm.
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Wait, i just realized that this dotabuff win prob% graph real purpose is to judge throws lol
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Not easy to go high ground against bat. If alch gives bat aghs, bat is going to have some massive upgrade in damage. Give jakiro aghs and VP is never going to push again lol
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There goes VP's entire networth lead
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optic actually has considerably better late game line-up, if they stall this VP is screwed
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I think Optic is going to take this lmao
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Well they achieved to put alch back in the game...
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On August 24 2018 04:26 TomatoBisque wrote:
There goes VP's entire networth lead
To be honest them having networth lead against alch is kinda telling in itself.
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Purple and green: the universal sign for choking.
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No blink on alch is hurting them. He is their best counter initiator and follow up for bat.
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alche getting close to octarine
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I can't wait to see Aghs-Mjolnir Drow firing into spiderlings.
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On August 24 2018 04:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, who won?
Maybe VP due to the buyback fiesta
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On August 24 2018 04:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, who won?
Looks like VP with a decent gold swing, but Alch is reaching scary fat levels soon.
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On August 24 2018 04:27 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:26 TomatoBisque wrote:
There goes VP's entire networth lead To be honest them having networth lead against alch is kinda telling in itself.
It should be, but Optic is still taking these fights blow for blow and has a better late game
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I think alch is going to be unkillable after octarine,
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Tiny does not scale nowadays.
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Buyback galore has it's drawbacks, huh.
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okay VP is gonna get at least 2 lanes here
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ok, now that was stupid by optic lol
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Not sure why they didn't just give up the rax.
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as fun as this is
the level of this match is fucking awful lol
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Fuck i just realized the 22-50 kill score.
This is a pub, not a TI top8 match.
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That's the closest we've been to the usual VP, they thrive on chaos.
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On August 24 2018 04:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
Fuck i just realized the 22-50 kill score.
This is a pub, not a TI top8 match.
I see it more like Dota has achieved a meta where kills are profitable when you want to win. Instead of risky as in League (historically at least) where you have 10 kills in an entire game.
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If Alch buys an aghs for drow they easily hold megas, don't see them win next fight though.
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optic really just ought to GG out and think about next game
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On August 24 2018 04:36 Achaian wrote:
optic really just ought to GG out and think about next game
Why not squeeze out a few minutes by holding megas until the inevitable loss.
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On August 24 2018 04:33 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
Fuck i just realized the 22-50 kill score.
This is a pub, not a TI top8 match. I see it more like Dota has achieved a meta where kills are profitable when you want to win. Instead of risky as in League (historically at least) where you have 10 kills in an entire game.
LoL They did so many things right (skillshot spam is so satisfying) but the meta has not changed since the beta, they really fucked up somewhere.
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VP won but they were sloppy af.
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Well, still, VP made much harder than it should have been
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I still think OpTic takes it next game, just gotta not get plowed
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On August 24 2018 04:37 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:33 Yurie wrote:On August 24 2018 04:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
Fuck i just realized the 22-50 kill score.
This is a pub, not a TI top8 match. I see it more like Dota has achieved a meta where kills are profitable when you want to win. Instead of risky as in League (historically at least) where you have 10 kills in an entire game. LoL They did so many things right (skillshot spam is so satisfying) but the meta has not changed since the beta, they really fucked up somewhere.
I personally think the dash, skill shot spam etc is what is getting them stuck. Is like Battlerite light with some ARTS elements tacked on.
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VP so sloppy, if optic don't get tilted they can probably win next game
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On August 24 2018 04:38 Furikawari wrote:
Well, still, VP made much harder than it should have been
They played it safe but they they don't know how to play safe, it's hindering them at TI. They should embrace their hothead qualities which win them games throughout the year.
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If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.
Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.
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On August 24 2018 04:40 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:38 Furikawari wrote:
Well, still, VP made much harder than it should have been They played it safe but they they don't know how to play safe, it's hindering them at TI. They should embrace their hothead qualities which win them games throughout the year.
Yea they're playing too scared. Time to let go and davai. Pick good lanes, pick mass disables/burst and just plowwww
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On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.
Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.
do you not think alch is a stupid hero too? tiny had a balls to the wall amazing game, otherwise he stops mattering past 30 minutes
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On August 24 2018 04:39 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:37 nojok wrote:On August 24 2018 04:33 Yurie wrote:On August 24 2018 04:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
Fuck i just realized the 22-50 kill score.
This is a pub, not a TI top8 match. I see it more like Dota has achieved a meta where kills are profitable when you want to win. Instead of risky as in League (historically at least) where you have 10 kills in an entire game. LoL They did so many things right (skillshot spam is so satisfying) but the meta has not changed since the beta, they really fucked up somewhere. I personally think the dash, skill shot spam etc is what is getting them stuck. Is like Battlerite light with some ARTS elements tacked on.
I can't tell, I gave up on LoL when dota 2 transitionned to open beta (got a key from TL at the very end of the clsoed beta when TL was giving tons of them). And every time I gave a try to LoL it was still stuck in the 1 1 1 2 laning phase with linear power curves.
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On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.
Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.
If Optic didn't have Huskar in the first game, they would end up just like in this one lol.
Dumb arguments are dumb.
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PPD better opens his golden strategy box for this "bo1" with the winning strat. it would probably need to be a cheesy one
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On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.
Come On, Optic! FUck em Up.
If Optic didnt had Huskar who is kinda a stupid hero they wouldve lost game 1 so hard after losing the 2 sidelanes.
Come On VP!!! FUck em Up.!!
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WW instead of jakiro and it might have worked? Though lane for alch would have been even worse.
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On August 24 2018 04:44 Yurie wrote:
WW instead of jakiro and it might have worked? Though lane for alch would have been even worse.
The alche WW lane would have lost very hard to brood.
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what pajkatt said to peter:
"don't ever pick drow before 4th pick"
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On August 24 2018 04:41 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.
Come On, Optic! FUck em Up. do you not think alch is a stupid hero too? tiny had a balls to the wall amazing game, otherwise he stops mattering past 30 minutes
No after all the nerfs that have happened and the addition of super urn, it`s not the dumbest shit.
Brood was a situational draft winner and now it`s very difficult to counter it without letting it have fun for a long time.
Tiny with a smart team looks like a hero with longer legs, tbh. The ability to remove supports and synergize with loads of abilities and throw stuff is pretty good.
On August 24 2018 04:43 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 04:40 Wintex wrote:
If VP didn`t have Brood and Tiny who are kinda stupid heroes, they`d lose that so hard.
Come On, Optic! FUck em Up. If Optic didnt had Huskar who is kinda a stupid hero they wouldve lost game 1 so hard after losing the 2 sidelanes. Come On VP!!! FUck em Up.!!
They could have mitigated it at least a bit like Synd said they could, with different lanes. I believe, anyway.
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Is it possible to fit WW into VP's draft?
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flex pick NP? again, not a hero that's great against clinkz...
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Clinkz is going to have a field day this game , everyone are food for him.
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tiny the 33% WR in mainstage is a stupid hero? what have we come to
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Ehhhhhh, I'm favoring Optic's draft as long as NP doesn't get any early items.
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Both team wtih a LOT of single target dmg , LETS DOOO ITTTT VPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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I give OpTic the edge, maybe 55-45 here based on draft
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If i got it right, like first game was Huskar show, second game was Pasha's show, this game we have Clinkz show?
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Oh Nahaz has changed his pants, that's all I will remember from his diatribe.
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This game has the most TI8 drafts imaginable.
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On August 24 2018 05:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
If i got it right, like first game was Huskar show, second game was Pasha's show, this game we have Clinkz show?
Maybe for once we will see NoOne playing like his old self ? that will make VP lifes way easier.
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On August 24 2018 05:04 Faruko wrote:
did nahaz said that ursa is 15/13 in other stages?
When picked in the second round of drafts. First pivm its like 25%
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On August 24 2018 05:06 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 05:04 Faruko wrote:
did nahaz said that ursa is 15/13 in other stages? When picked in the second round of drafts. First pivm its like 25%
i know, but he said ht ie 15 out of 13, he got it the wrong lol
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Weppas has been missing a lot of kills
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Tiny can hit through sprout with his big stick, interesting to know.
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wow pajkat doesn't TP into this...
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space created for pajkatt
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On August 24 2018 05:17 MrCon wrote:
wow pajkat doesn't TP into this...
Both Lina and Clinkz played catch-up here.
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On August 24 2018 05:15 nojok wrote:
Tiny can hit through sprout with his big stick, interesting to know.
Yeah he gets a range boost whenever he picks up a tree, I believe it's the same distance as his Aghs upgrade.
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Pig teammate toss right here.
EDIT: Rtz toss is better flowing, true.
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If this was a pub this is where the Necro rages and DCs.
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RTZ's legacy in Ti8? He created getting tossed into a suicidal position. Feels bad
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Ori says "I did it first".
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On August 24 2018 05:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Ori says "I did it first".
Arnold's rule says us that it will be named after Rtz anyways.
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On August 24 2018 05:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:
What a bloodbath. How many deaths was that?
12, 6v6
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On August 24 2018 05:23 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 05:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:
What a bloodbath. How many deaths was that? 12, 6v6
11 maybe? Solo did not dieback.
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Can I just say how much I love Dota? Only a handful of games survive for over +10 years.
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On August 24 2018 05:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:
What a bloodbath. How many deaths was that?
5 on VP(Pasha's reinc) and 6 on Optic(Bane bbed and died lol).
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On August 24 2018 05:23 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 05:23 Faruko wrote:On August 24 2018 05:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:
What a bloodbath. How many deaths was that? 12, 6v6 11 maybe? Solo did not dieback.
i did counted reencarnation, but actually, yes, 11
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On August 24 2018 05:23 Slardar wrote:
Can I just say how much I love Dota? Only a handful of games survive for over +10 years.
True, I remember when dota was only a casual pub to realax between some ladder games (fuck HU tower rush though, still hate this shit).
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So countdown for the highground throw?
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Optic's just not good enough.
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Hey, guys! The plow got fixed!
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To be honest, I was wondering why we haven't seen a single Necro game from VP so far, Ramzes was known for playing great safelane Necro when he was in the meta last time.
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On August 24 2018 05:32 Ramiz1989 wrote:
To be honest, I was wondering why we haven't seen a single Necro game from VP so far, Ramzes was known for playing great safelane Necro when he was in the meta last time.
Evidently they were saving it up for a clutch ^_^
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Hope VGJ.Storm can avenge NA
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god damn it
damn it all to hell
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Hooo Secret vs VGS and EG vs VP still to play, so hype.
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On August 24 2018 05:32 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 05:32 Ramiz1989 wrote:
To be honest, I was wondering why we haven't seen a single Necro game from VP so far, Ramzes was known for playing great safelane Necro when he was in the meta last time. Evidently they were saving it up for a clutch ^_^
Saving strats is so underrated.
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calendar bois are quick
ppd doing a second losers interview oh boy
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So, odds on a top 4 of no-TI-winners?
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Virtus plow is back in town
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anyone know if they've given out the all-star match t-shirts yet?
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well that was infuriating
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On August 24 2018 05:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So, odds on a top 4 of no-TI-winners?
This would require VGJS to beat out Secret then Liquid and VP to beat EG
Possible but I don't think it's likely
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She should've of said, "Peter's support play."
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in retrospect I considered top 8 for optic a victory, but they were so close to getting the monkey off their back
can we get some VGJS vs LGD finals?
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On August 24 2018 05:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So, odds on a top 4 of no-TI-winners?
Unless VGJ.S pulls out something on the level of TI6 DC, no way.
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PPD tactfully ignoring his second game draft lul
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On August 24 2018 05:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 05:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So, odds on a top 4 of no-TI-winners? Unless VGJ.S pulls out something on the level of TI6 DC, no way.
I mean they both had Resolution.
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On August 24 2018 05:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 05:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 24 2018 05:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So, odds on a top 4 of no-TI-winners? Unless VGJ.S pulls out something on the level of TI6 DC, no way. I mean they both had Resolution.
Do they have someone who is very very good with a particular hero which is picked or banned every other game?
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I don't think there's a chance VGJ beats Liquid.
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Typing up a Storm! Lets go!
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On August 24 2018 05:44 Kishin2 wrote:
I don't think there's a chance VGJ beats Liquid.
considering the group stage, theres a definite chance for VGS to beat Liquid, but I wouldn't bet on it
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These panels are so bland.
I'm not a huge fan of Kyle but he has some good insight and he's at the event but haven't seen him in anything other than as the meme of late game.
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The absence of Kyle on the panel is the biggest screw up by organizers this TI imho
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Lol, i just realized that this is a TI without proper TI heroes lol.
OTOH Spectre is exact opposite of TI hero and yet she is sometimes a first phase pick.
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On August 24 2018 05:54 Aldehyde wrote:
These panels are so bland.
I'm not a huge fan of Kyle but he has some good insight and he's at the event but haven't seen him in anything other than as the meme of late game.
On August 24 2018 05:55 I hef gem wrote:
The absence of Kyle on the panel is the biggest screw up by organizers this TI imho
yea honestly
march has been decent
but theres nothing exciting or interesting about him
if they put kyle there instead it would've been so much more entertaining
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Yeah Kyle has something more, like Synderen or even Purge he often has good points, or specific interesting stuff. The panel right now is bland "hoho it will depend of the draft", "haha the laning phase will be important".
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is weaver really the most feared hero of the tournament?
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They should run a stream with NA doto working as casters and analysts lul.
On August 24 2018 06:05 Shergal wrote:
is weaver really the most feared hero of the tournament?
Most fearful should be potm, as ridiculous as it sounds. I guess it makes sense, even TIs all had potm as top pick.
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Mirana vs Clinkz Silencer seems pretty bad
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I am conflicted, somehow all mediocre heroes are on VGJ.S and all good heroes are on Secret.
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A wild kotol has appeared!
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Potm of the moon and Kotl of the light in the same team.
What other heroes are there to fit the theme?
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On August 24 2018 06:13 nojok wrote:
A wild kotol has appeared!
is this the first kotol ti8 appearance?
edit: oh i remember, Fnatic took it in the groups
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On August 24 2018 06:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
Potm of the moon and Kotl of the light in the same team.
What other heroes are there to fit the theme?
Balanight.
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brood not banned (nor picked atm ?)
don't do that against liquid guys.
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i think this is going to be reso antimage or morph game
ok im disappointed
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Oh boy a Meepo, this better be a good game
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On August 24 2018 06:15 Papercappu wrote:
i think this is going to be reso antimage or morph game
What happened to Morph? I haven't seen him be played on mainstage
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BSJ has only one suit (but he changed his tie) while nahaz at least changed his pants.
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i think this is going to be reso antimage or morph game What happened to Morph? I haven't seen him be played on mainstage
He gets bullied incredibly hard in this laning meta.
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I don't think that VGJ stand a chance with these heroes, they have horrible lockdown, they don't have roaming supports that can gank anyone, Meepo will have uncontested farm, so will Necro. They want to group up and push with KOTL, but it will be hard against Silencer and ES, and at the same time Meepo will split push the crap out of them.
Clinkz is going to run rampant, killing KOTL and Undying whenever he can. There is blinding light, but he will kill KOTL before he even manages to click it.
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On August 24 2018 06:18 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I don't think that VGJ stand a chance with these heroes, they have horrible lockdown, they don't have roaming supports that can gank anyone, Meepo will have uncontested farm, so will Necro. They want to group up and push with KOTL, but it will be hard against Silencer and ES, and at the same time Meepo will split push the crap out of them.
Yeah, VGJ.S lost this game at the 1st pick phase, tbf.
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meepo pick is hype and all but alch pick would've made the game easier
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On August 24 2018 06:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 06:17 Chillander wrote:On August 24 2018 06:15 Papercappu wrote:
i think this is going to be reso antimage or morph game What happened to Morph? I haven't seen him be played on mainstage He gets bullied incredibly hard in this laning meta.
Yeah, he's a last pick mid hero if he fits the line up and has a good mid match up now.
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Another game with Reso given a kinda low-impact carry.
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if potm did well i'd say VGJS have the edge but secret still have the meepo factor
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Blind level 1 psi blade lul, ought to get punished for once
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Comeback TA games don't exist.
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Reminds me of the huskar vs DK.
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On August 24 2018 06:25 Yurie wrote:
Reminds me of the huskar vs DK.
Except that DK with a little farm can stun someone.
TA with similar farm can only die.
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TA is like 3-4x better at catching up from behind than DK is, however
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On August 24 2018 06:26 lolfail9001 wrote:Except that DK with a little farm can stun someone. TA with similar farm can only die.
Can play techies? Just mine all lanes and stop pushes until, umm, somebody carries it.
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On August 24 2018 06:24 lolfail9001 wrote:
Comeback TA games don't exist.
It didn't before, but right now... stacking ancients + the fact that 2 traps kill whole creep wave and he can place them in all 3 lanes, makes TA comeback very very real. Can't remember how many times I've seen TA completely crushed and then suddenly she has Blink and Deso and is one shotting half of the enemy team.
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Clinkz + Silencer vs Potm is... somewhat one-sided.
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This is already a bad 4v5 game for VGJ.S, but when Meepo jumps into the equation things get even worse.
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Even Heavens want VGJ.S to lose this.
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And suddenly that "destroyed" TA has blink only 1 minute after Meepo's, yeah...
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On August 24 2018 06:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And suddenly that "destroyed" TA has blink only 1 minute after Meepo's, yeah...
Said Meepo had lane just as bad as TA, just saying.
Also, said Meepo uses this blink actively already, while TA is stuck farming.
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Secret playing some fine Dota.
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Hope does VGJ.Storm even win this game?
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On August 24 2018 06:36 plasmidghost wrote:
Hope does VGJ.Storm even win this game?
They lost it at first draft phase, they are just playing it out and discussing wth they should do next game.
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Very good pressure from Secret.
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On August 24 2018 06:35 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 06:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And suddenly that "destroyed" TA has blink only 1 minute after Meepo's, yeah... Said Meepo had lane just as bad as TA, just saying. Also, said Meepo uses this blink actively already, while TA is stuck farming.
Meepo's lane doesn't matter as long as he isn't dying, he will just go jungle or split farm as soon as he hits level 4-5, just as he did and will farm faster than any hero at that point so yeah. Doesn't matter if TA did something with blink, just saying TA can comeback just fine, it's not the hero it once was.
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And yeah actually TA DID come back nicely.
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Wow, so this is actually throw-able by Secret still, eh.
Also, TA might have come back in it's own team, game is already lost for the team, so it does not count.
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isnt it kind of questionable from a scheduling perspective that [winner of vp vs optic] has to play 2 series today but [winner of this series] doesnt have to play vs liquid on the same day?
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On August 24 2018 06:39 lolfail9001 wrote:
Wow, so this is actually throw-able by Secret still, eh.
Also, TA might have come back in it's own team, game is already lost for the team, so it does not count.
:D
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On August 24 2018 06:40 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
isnt it kind of questionable from a scheduling perspective that [winner of vp vs optic] has to play 2 series today but [winner of this series] doesnt have to play vs liquid on the same day?
This question happens every single year.
Long story short: Volvo won't bother with clumsy scheduling for the sake of perceived fairness.
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On August 24 2018 06:40 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
isnt it kind of questionable from a scheduling perspective that [winner of vp vs optic] has to play 2 series today but [winner of this series] doesnt have to play vs liquid on the same day?
But tomorrow the winner of Liquid vs X will have to play 2 series too.
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On August 24 2018 06:40 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
isnt it kind of questionable from a scheduling perspective that [winner of vp vs optic] has to play 2 series today but [winner of this series] doesnt have to play vs liquid on the same day?
Secret/VGJ.S/Liquid have to play 2 series in a row instead against winner of vp vs eg tomorrow
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Kotol rescuing clinkz from tombstone lul. But hey, at least he has a 3-0-0 KDA lul.
EDIT: It was throwy from Secret, no?
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idk secret can make a few misplays and still be totally fine this game
they have to chain feed into giving up objectives to lose i think
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On August 24 2018 06:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 06:40 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
isnt it kind of questionable from a scheduling perspective that [winner of vp vs optic] has to play 2 series today but [winner of this series] doesnt have to play vs liquid on the same day? This question happens every single year. Long story short: Volvo won't bother with clumsy scheduling for the sake of perceived fairness.
It's only "clumsy" because they need 3 series today instead of 4 for random dumb paraphernalia like AI and Cosplay contests
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I'm copying that top ward.
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you have coaches now during the draft but they dont seem to help. optic gives away brood when they first pick drow venge. in g3 they had no wave clears besides lina..
this meepo was the most obvious pick. silencer meepo happened before and global silence helps meepo a lot. its not like they picked 4 heroes which are good against him before.
some of this drafting at ti makes me mad
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puppey with those armor items tho
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yea idk i feel like itd be a simple fix to just switch liquid vs winner of this and the allstar match at the end of today
then itd be completely parallel on both sides
same amount of time to prep for both winners of the first losers series today
w/e
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Complete and utter dominance.
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aight thats the vgjs that i know
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The game went exactly as I have predicted, complete outdraft from Secret.
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There's really no hope for NA, is there
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McDonald's; the wholesome meal of any American.
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Bad draft by VGJ. Mirana hasn't gotten much play in the main event, for a reason. KOTL and Undying also not rly impactful heroes. It even seems KOTL got too much farm (Aghanims), compared to WK. Supports should help carries get farm, not get it themselves instead.
Im also curious about Clinkz winrate this event. Seems unstoppable.
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On August 24 2018 07:08 dizzy101 wrote:
Bad draft by VGJ. Mirana hasn't gotten much play in the main event, for a reason. KOTL and Undying also not rly impactful heroes. It even seems KOTL got too much farm (Aghanims), compared to WK. Supports should help carries get farm, not get it themselves instead.
Im also curious about Clinkz winrate this event. Seems unstoppable.
https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/leagues/9870-the-international-2018/heroes
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potm actually have the 2nd highest winrate this tournament. 1st is ench
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On August 24 2018 07:13 Papercappu wrote:
potm actually have the 2nd highest winrate this tournament. 1st is ench
Drow has way higher winrate, for one. In tournament itself, i mean.
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On August 24 2018 07:13 Papercappu wrote:
potm actually have the 2nd highest winrate this tournament. 1st is ench
the hero seemed a lot stronger in group stages though, it suffered in the first 2 days of the main stage i think
possibly more figured out
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please let this be core silencer
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Not a fan of this VGJ.Storm draft, but I hope they prove me wrong
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TB vs. Medusa. We'll have a long game.
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i dont believe in vgjs here
secret can potentially snowball and vgjs cant because they have a medusa
secret also has better lategame heroes with even farm
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Let's just say that this is another draft that was over in first phase.
Medusa will make VGJ.S loss more interesting.
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I'm liking Secret's draft more, but we'll see how hard Reso can carry his team at a TI again.
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Is that ixmike in the banana suit?
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I think this is the first good ogre pick this whole tournament LOL
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On August 24 2018 07:10 FreakyDroid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 07:08 dizzy101 wrote:
Bad draft by VGJ. Mirana hasn't gotten much play in the main event, for a reason. KOTL and Undying also not rly impactful heroes. It even seems KOTL got too much farm (Aghanims), compared to WK. Supports should help carries get farm, not get it themselves instead.
Im also curious about Clinkz winrate this event. Seems unstoppable. https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/leagues/9870-the-international-2018/heroes
Not a super helpful list since it includes qualifiers.
-edit- Nvm... Missed the possibility of limiting it to the last month or week.
Invoker and Drow doing well with 70% with 20+ games played.
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Stepped out to pick up some beer and groceries. Missed the Meepo stomp. Oh well.
Curious about 2 things:
Position 3 Venge?
I've been pondering the value of mid Medusa this meta. Reso did okay with him in lane but I want to see more games. I feel it might be a sleeper pick.
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Mirana is 1-7 mainstage while Ench is 1-4 unless the TL stats page is missing games
e: Clinkz is 6-3
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lol running at a clinkz and not trying to kill him
clinkz is actually a pretty ridiculous hero... just 100-0s supports in 3 seconds in any skirmishes for the entire 10-20 minute period
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Meanwhile Resolution does the right thing: afk farms lul.
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That lothars pick-up was... very useless.
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On August 24 2018 07:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
Meanwhile Resolution does the right thing: afk farms lul.
The moment he stops he gets picked off lol.
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and this is the thing: what is their solution to swap in the lategame? There is almost no save in the game that can counteract a lvl3 swap initiation in time, and they even have GS to make it extra hard
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On August 24 2018 07:43 Shergal wrote:
and this is the thing: what is their solution to swap in the lategame? There is almost no save in the game that can counteract a lvl3 swap initiation in time, and they even have GS to make it extra hard
Put dusa in range of venge and wait.
EDIT: This series makes the difference in class painfully obvious.
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On August 24 2018 07:41 lolfail9001 wrote:
That lothars pick-up was... very useless.
Assume you ate talking about tiny? It is the standard since it both mobility and extra damage. Tiny needs to keep stacking up dmg to kill people, if he doesn't they live.
Commentators worried for VGJ.S When they have equal or better lategame. Though if they play worse it won't help.
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On August 24 2018 07:45 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 07:41 lolfail9001 wrote:
That lothars pick-up was... very useless. Assume you ate talking about tiny? It is the standard since it both mobility and extra damage. Tiny needs to keep stacking up dmg to kill people, if he doesn't they live. Commentators worried for VGJ.S When they have equal or better lategame.
I am indeed talking about tiny. He got lothars and did literally jack with it. Heck, they would probably get quite a few kills if he went for blink instead.
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Max stun on Ogre? This is a thing now?
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at this level you gotta learn after 1 death that you cant show dusa mid like that
On August 24 2018 07:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Max stun on Ogre? This is a thing now?
the most recent multicast buff makes the chance of 2x 60% at just level 1 of mutlicast
so having 3 levels of fireblast at level 6 means you have a 60% chance of doing 360 magic, expected value = 288 magic dmg
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Linkens is a good item for Dusa btw
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On August 24 2018 07:46 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 07:45 Yurie wrote:On August 24 2018 07:41 lolfail9001 wrote:
That lothars pick-up was... very useless. Assume you ate talking about tiny? It is the standard since it both mobility and extra damage. Tiny needs to keep stacking up dmg to kill people, if he doesn't they live. Commentators worried for VGJ.S When they have equal or better lategame. I am indeed talking about tiny. He got lothars and did literally jack with it. Heck, they would probably get quite a few kills if he went for blink instead.
They havn't showed his items for 4 mins now and I was afk when he picked it up. So assumed it was blink into shadow blade. Agree blink is better.
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On August 24 2018 07:47 FreakyDroid wrote:
Linkens is a good item for Dusa btw
In this particular game it is actually amazing one.
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But if you put linkens on Dusa they can just swap someone else. VGJS have to already be on the lead in order to choose the positioning they want, if Secret can see them they are always getting instakills
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Fuck VGJ.S fights are such a mess.
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On August 24 2018 07:47 FreakyDroid wrote:
Linkens is a good item for Dusa btw
Yup, but think they lose in the time it takes to get that and the next item.
Manta makes sure you get ulti off and thus does half of what you need while increasing damage some. Aghs is also good this game to get rid of TB illus. HP swap is of course annoying but if both are low Dusa has mana shield.
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On August 24 2018 07:49 Shergal wrote:
But if you put linkens on Dusa they can just swap someone else. VGJS have to already be on the lead in order to choose the positioning they want, if Secret can see them they are always getting instakills
I mean, linkens here just acts as gank prevention. In teamfights it is better to put it on someone else.
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On August 24 2018 07:48 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 07:47 FreakyDroid wrote:
Linkens is a good item for Dusa btw In this particular game it is actually amazing one.
Ye, but I guess they'll rely on the Linkens from Mirana.
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Holy shit that Terrorize into a Stone Gaze, I just realized how good that is
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Oh, I forgot why they NEED manta on cores. Dispels the TB illus from his Q on them.
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On August 24 2018 07:51 plasmidghost wrote:
Holy shit that Terrorize into a Stone Gaze, I just realized how good that is
It kinda requires on Terrorblade trying to backstab you.
Which is hard thing to achieve.
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they did it they found positioning that doesnt suck
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"the teamfight was so good" i mean secret went one by one
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On August 24 2018 07:50 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 07:47 FreakyDroid wrote:
Linkens is a good item for Dusa btw Yup, but think they lose in the time it takes to get that and the next item. Manta makes sure you get ulti off and thus does half of what you need while increasing damage some. Aghs is also good this game to get rid of TB illus. HP swap is of course annoying but if both are low Dusa has mana shield.
Sure Manta is also good to dispel silence. Thing is, they got a Linken on Mirana and that kind of solves their swap problem. Edit: Nvm she changed her item build lol
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On August 24 2018 07:52 Shergal wrote:
"the teamfight was so good" i mean secret went one by one
yea honestly i missed how that started
looks like midone trying to do anything at all was just cockiness
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On August 24 2018 07:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 07:52 Shergal wrote:
"the teamfight was so good" i mean secret went one by one yea honestly i missed how that started looks like midone trying to do anything at all was just cockiness
VGJ.S got the smoke/SB initiation.
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they caught them midlane and fata was alone, got to 10hp and swapped ET into the middle of VGJS. you can imagine that Secret can't really take a fight with ET in the frontlines. Clinkz should've gottne the fuck out instead of trying to snag a kill
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AC on Medusa... NOOOOOOO. I mean, i know where it comes from, but still.
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Bit of nerves? Some uncoordinated plays
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Okay Secret stop drinking.
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Secret keeps trying to protect heroes that don't matter, they think they can make a cute play but their way to victory is stability
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Yeah, maybe its not a good idea to keep swapping Dusa at this point lol
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Medusa has gone beyond the point of no return I think. As long as Storm stick together, they win this.
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Godlike arrow
Wait they didnt get rosh wtf
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puppey doing his best artstyle impression with that global to "save" himself
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Wtf are these 10 guys doing? I am watching Ro8 of TI, not a fucking pub.
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Dark willow > TB. Where have I seen this before
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That Dota plus probability lul
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On August 24 2018 07:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Bit of nerves? Some uncoordinated plays
Both teams are playing poorly, even the drafts are boring as both captains understood that the other team would chicken out from being proactive.
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so ive just been looking sporadically and not following
would it be fair to say in this game they didnt just let the tb flash farm hard enough?
or has secret played their draft mostly correctly with some tactical mistakes
did they actually lose the draft?
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On August 24 2018 08:04 lolfail9001 wrote:
That Dota plus probability lul
I missed it, what were the numbers?
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On August 24 2018 08:06 nojok wrote:I missed it, what were the numbers?
40-60 in favor of VGJ.S before Venge's buyback.
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On August 24 2018 08:06 nojok wrote:I missed it, what were the numbers?
58 42 in favor of vgjs with a 12k lead with these drafts
not horribly unrealistic
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On August 24 2018 08:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
so ive just been looking sporadically and not following
would it be fair to say in this game they didnt just let the tb flash farm hard enough?
or has secret played their draft mostly correctly with some tactical mistakes
did they actually lose the draft?
TB's been up there with Dusa for almost the entire game, but VGJ.S just executed several fights a lot better.
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AI: the fuck should I know who wins, just flip a coin
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oh man if that terrorize hit tb that wouldve been a disaster for secret
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Somehow this fight went wrong anyways.
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3 heroes with full HP stand next to him and he tries to sunder someone far away. lol
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midone took 25 fucking hours to start hitting the tower despite having the VS illusion there
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Too much control from VGJS while TB has low bkb duration.
Playing bloodlusted dusa is like playing gyro with permanent flak and 2x ehp.
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On August 24 2018 08:15 Stancel wrote:
secret winning would be prime dota plus advertisement
I prefer the Secret vs OG game from yesterday.
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Man up and get a rapier on dusa already
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venge core kinda pointless since the armor gain per agi got nerfed. also it's kinda dumb how TB have higher agi gain than venge
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On August 24 2018 08:16 Papercappu wrote:
venge core kinda pointless since the armor gain per agi got nerfed. also it's kinda dumb how TB have higher agi gain than venge
Venge + TB go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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On August 24 2018 08:16 babysimba wrote:
Man up and get a rapier on dusa already
He has no slots lul.
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On August 24 2018 08:16 Papercappu wrote:
venge core kinda pointless since the armor gain per agi got nerfed. also it's kinda dumb how TB have higher agi gain than venge
Remember 4.2 agi gain PL?
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did sneyking just toss ace on top of reso?
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I'M ACTUALLY LAUGHING SO HARD GUYS!
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how did a team with sneyking top group b
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gg
i really dont think secret were that far behind at any point, despite the incredulity of the casters at the dota+ winrate
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That toss was some great stylin
I have no idea why VGJ don't go all-in on that fight when they just bought rapier. Like they just run away and get killed???
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I like how OG and Secret are reaching their highest TI performances to date not off the backs of star-studded line-ups but some of the quieter ones.
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On August 24 2018 08:19 Stancel wrote:
how did a team with sneyking top group b
Didn't we discuss that group b is meme group this time?
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Tiny is the hero of this tournament LUL
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GabeN: See? Dota Plus is worth the money.
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remember
if sneyking can get to top 8 ti, u can do it too
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So by the way, this is the furthest Secret have gotten in TI ever.
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On August 24 2018 08:19 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
That toss was some great stylin
I have no idea why VGJ don't go all-in on that fight when they just bought rapier. Like they just run away and get killed???
Largely because their all-in ended up as a joke and they have no way to deal with TB that just walks away lmao.
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If EG gets eliminated as well, this will be the saddest day for NA Dota ever
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that was some awful casting btw
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On August 24 2018 08:20 Erasme wrote:
remember
if sneyking can get to top 8 ti, u can do it too
Yeah, i just need Resolution for teammate /s
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Hold up, did tiny toss into the dusa? It looks like dusa was going to be able to get away :O
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It was a fail by Sneyking to even attempt toss, since TB will be queuing up bkb immediately after reviving.
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On August 24 2018 08:19 Stancel wrote:
how did a team with sneyking top group b
2 coaches. And I'm not joking.
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On August 24 2018 08:21 Aerisky wrote:
Hold up, did tiny toss into the dusa? It looks like dusa was going to be able to get away :O
No one knows wtf that toss was lmao
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Reso item build too, why no skadi when it's so good on the hero.
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On August 24 2018 08:20 plasmidghost wrote:
If EG gets eliminated as well, this will be the saddest day for NA Dota ever
4 NA teams are in top 8, thats pretty good ...
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On August 24 2018 08:22 MrCon wrote:
Reso item build too, why no skadi when it's so good on the hero.
Yeah, watching how TB was walking away from dusa without issues was painful af.
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On August 24 2018 08:22 FreakyDroid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:20 plasmidghost wrote:
If EG gets eliminated as well, this will be the saddest day for NA Dota ever 4 NA teams are in top 8, thats pretty good ...
4?
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On August 24 2018 08:21 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:21 Aerisky wrote:
Hold up, did tiny toss into the dusa? It looks like dusa was going to be able to get away :O No one knows wtf that toss was lmao
Yeah I didn't hear the casters mention it, and I was just racking my brains to try to process what just happened LOL
RIP 
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The solution to a boring panel? Remove one analyst without a replacement.
And people gave Day9 shit for his job last year...
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On August 24 2018 08:22 BreakupBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:22 FreakyDroid wrote:On August 24 2018 08:20 plasmidghost wrote:
If EG gets eliminated as well, this will be the saddest day for NA Dota ever 4 NA teams are in top 8, thats pretty good ... 4?
I meant to say 3, sorry ..
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On August 24 2018 08:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I like how OG and Secret are reaching their highest TI performances to date not off the backs of star-studded line-ups but some of the quieter ones.
Yapzor and MidOne weren't exactly unknowns before Secret grabbed them.
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skadi against 6sec cd reflection is a bad idea
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On August 24 2018 08:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I like how OG and Secret are reaching their highest TI performances to date not off the backs of star-studded line-ups but some of the quieter ones. Yapzor and MidOne weren't exactly unknowns before Secret grabbed them.
Yeah sure, but compare it to the hype of Secret 2.0 or OG with two Majors.
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Another Open AI match .. kill me pls
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midone was definitely unknown to many. i think his first LAN debut was TI6 right? mushi grabbed him out of nowhere
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On August 24 2018 08:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I like how OG and Secret are reaching their highest TI performances to date not off the backs of star-studded line-ups but some of the quieter ones. Yapzor and MidOne weren't exactly unknowns before Secret grabbed them.
Yapzor didn't really have success before he was on Secret though, he was pretty much "the best player on this tier 3 team" which is the same position Ace was in minus being singsing's friend
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Secret vs Liquid has favored Secret over the course of the year hasn't it? Tomorrow's match is going to be killer.
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On August 24 2018 08:23 Aerisky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:21 Kishin2 wrote:On August 24 2018 08:21 Aerisky wrote:
Hold up, did tiny toss into the dusa? It looks like dusa was going to be able to get away :O No one knows wtf that toss was lmao Yeah I didn't hear the casters mention it, and I was just racking my brains to try to process what just happened LOL RIP
lol in the moment I didn't realise Tiny was not on team secret
that makes it...pretty strange lmao
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On August 24 2018 08:24 Papercappu wrote:
skadi against 6sec cd reflection is a bad idea
Skadi gives less damage than butterfly or manta
so its actually better against reflection.
But going by your logic, they shouldn't have farmed any items on dusa cuz u kno REFLECTION
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On August 24 2018 08:25 FreakyDroid wrote:
Another Open AI match .. kill me pls
I really enjoy them, different tastes I guess.
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Does the reflection get the split shot with modifiers?
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On August 24 2018 08:28 Nevuk wrote:
Does the reflection get the split shot with modifiers?
no
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Reso was doing literally no damage, he couldn't even kill the supports in a timely fashion. I think it's the first lvl25 6 slotted medusa I see that does so little damage.
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On August 24 2018 08:28 Nevuk wrote:
Does the reflection get the split shot with modifiers?
Modifiers don't work with illusions to begin with, do they.
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On August 24 2018 08:29 MrCon wrote:
Reso was doing literally no damage, he couldn't even kill the supports in a timely fashion. I think it's the first lvl25 6 slotted medusa I see that does so little damage.
Every lvl25 6 slotted dusa with linkens and manta does similar amount of damage.
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Hey, they still have 121k$ each for their loss, enough to apprehend the future under great auspices.
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Oooh Chinese legends against Open AI.
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On August 24 2018 08:26 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 08:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I like how OG and Secret are reaching their highest TI performances to date not off the backs of star-studded line-ups but some of the quieter ones. Yapzor and MidOne weren't exactly unknowns before Secret grabbed them. Yapzor didn't really have success before he was on Secret though, he was pretty much "the best player on this tier 3 team" which is the same position Ace was in minus being singsing's friend
Well by that logic: RTZ never had any success whatsoever so he is not a star, right?
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Old Boys vs OpenAI? Well, better than Pain as showmatch anyways.
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Hype the chinese old guard
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Holy shit what a roster right here
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On August 24 2018 08:35 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:26 TomatoBisque wrote:On August 24 2018 08:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 08:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I like how OG and Secret are reaching their highest TI performances to date not off the backs of star-studded line-ups but some of the quieter ones. Yapzor and MidOne weren't exactly unknowns before Secret grabbed them. Yapzor didn't really have success before he was on Secret though, he was pretty much "the best player on this tier 3 team" which is the same position Ace was in minus being singsing's friend Well by that logic: RTZ never had any success whatsoever, so he is not a star, right?
Speed Gaming.int vs DK.
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Where is my damn EE vs bots =(
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On August 24 2018 08:28 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 08:28 Nevuk wrote:
Does the reflection get the split shot with modifiers? no
Then yeah , skadi was a no brainer.
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Haven't seen this face in a while.
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I thought that dispersion was not a straightforward damage reduction like stampede and overload. If i got it right it should work like this
: Dispersion reduces 30% (since it works before damage is done). Remaining 70% are cut by 60% (i.e. 28% are left) with Stampede+Overload.
So nah.
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If James came on too I would lose my shit
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if they bring out james im dying
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Potato, James.. close enough
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bruno magic for hero reveal?
e: or some portal vr thing maybe
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Portal reference I think.
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Portal 2. Yea i played it not too long ago so I remember it
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Portal 2: Episode 1 announcement?
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ODpixel, Bruno & Glados casting.
Well, this just got fun!
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Glados to cast openAI haha amazing
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On August 24 2018 08:41 lolfail9001 wrote:I thought that dispersion was not a straightforward damage reduction like stampede and overload. If i got it right it should work like this : Dispersion reduces 30% (since it works before damage is done). Remaining 70% are cut by 60% (i.e. 28% are left) with Stampede+Overload. So nah.
Almost all damage reductions/amplifications apply in the same layer. There are some effects that apply in a different layer (notably Mana Shield and Coco's Rum), but Dispersion is not one of them.
That said, I think the poster is *way* overemphasizing how much that factored into why OG drafted those heroes together. There's too many other things going on in putting together a draft for you to be able to one-dimensionally focus on an interaction like that. Something like how Dispersion stacks with Overcharge and Agha Stampede (if Agha Centaur is even otherwise appropriate for that game in the first place) is super minor in comparison to everything else.
At *best* it factored into Ceb's choice to get Agha over other possible items like Shiva's, but there's no way they went into that draft thinking they were going to stack up damage reductions just to make an unkillable Spectre after being behind in a 50 minute game. In a "normal" game Spectre gets unkillable onces she's sufficiently farmed anyway and doesn't need 2 other heroes stacking damage reductions on her to get there.
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On August 24 2018 08:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I like how OG and Secret are reaching their highest TI performances to date not off the backs of star-studded line-ups but some of the quieter ones. Stars tend to have a big ego, and you can't have too many big egos in your team, if you want to go somewhere as a team, because it is a team game. I told PPY this, and I like he listened, when he build this team and chose Ace, after so many iterations of trying to build starstudded teams.
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openai starting with that tight ward.
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Necro WD Axe tri-lane.
Might as well call it :"farm behind your t2" line-up.
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Bots still clueless on courier control.
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Did it learn this axe-lane fuckery by random or did they steer it that way
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On August 24 2018 08:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Did it learn this axe-lane fuckery by random or did they steer it that way
By random
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On August 24 2018 08:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Did it learn this axe-lane fuckery by random or did they steer it that way
Farming behind tower with axe is natural thinking when playing axe. Because MANLY.
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On August 24 2018 08:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Did it learn this axe-lane fuckery by random or did they steer it that way
If you can let the AI iterated 1000s of iterations per day, it'll start to optimize what works. It depends on what they feed the AI with.
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At this rate, pro teams are going to have AI as their scrim partners in 1 or 2 years time.
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On August 24 2018 08:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Did it learn this axe-lane fuckery by random or did they steer it that way
Not random. Risk/reward balancing. Killing creeps is good. Killing towers is good. Dying is bad.
A lot of trial and error (thousands of games) determines that Axe can kill creeps really easily without dying. And of course it's fairly easy to analyze how much damage the enemy heroes can do and how much their heroes can take for a computer.
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"Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?".
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Even if it's in a limited pool, I want to see the AI draft at TI9.
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On August 24 2018 08:52 babysimba wrote:
At this rate, pro teams are going to have AI as their scrim partners in 1 or 2 years time.
For high level practice, you will always need humans. AI will optimize for what the AI does best. That isn't necessarily what humans do. But it's a good practice place domain for things like team fight coordination.
How issue is how much computing power they have to throw at this. Most of the really big AI projects have super computers attached to them.
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1 thing humans could learn from openai is all these salve spam lol
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AI having the sniper instead of the humans like yesterday is quite a difference. Playing against sniper can be tough because his range is so extraordinary so I imagine it fucks up the general fight logic for an AI.
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That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.
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On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit.
"Improvising" is far beyond their framework.
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im not watching this one because same lineups is kinda boring but from skimming it seems like it might go the same ways as the previous one: AI pressures a bunch early and midgame but good players withstand it while farming and later on the AI just bugs itself out of the game
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On August 24 2018 00:05 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 22:40 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Secret vs Storm
If secret can hold reso, the game juz favour Secret. Reso is a beast, the rest are juz nothing. You're delusional.
Told you, see, bye Storm
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Random thought: what set does that Axe weapon come from? Looks wicked.
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On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework.
This guy understands curve fitting.
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On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework. That is just a matter of time.
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feel as if openai really does not know how to deal with a 4 protect one, that's probably why pub players are getting murdered by this.
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Quack quack motherfucker - our future AI overlords
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On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework. That is just a matter of time.
I mean, sure, in the same vein that eventually AI will lose the "Artificial" part.
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On August 24 2018 09:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework. That is just a matter of time. I mean, sure, in the same vein that eventually AI will lose the "Artificial" part. Whatever you wish to call it.
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gladOS styling on these FFFF2 players
On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework. That is just a matter of time.
there's no guarantee that "general" AI will be developed, but if it is, it's quite likely to come about soon given the financial incentive
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On August 24 2018 09:09 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework. That is just a matter of time. I mean, sure, in the same vein that eventually AI will lose the "Artificial" part. Whatever you wish to call it.
Not really sure if you're just being cheeky or serious.
But improvisation will come hand in hand with actual machine intelligence.
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haha I like the idea that openAI is immune to flame and therefor not scared of whiffing ultis
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I think the Axe AI is doing a lot better so far than the Lion.
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OpenAI needs to be fed VP games. They'll be chat spam & taunting all game.
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I am noticing Big God is using more ultis because the AI is. Interesting response.
The one issue the OpenAI will always have, since it's 5 independent AIs, is group coordination of item builds.
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Wonder how the AI analyzes unknown information. Does it actually have probabilities of where the enemy likely is and what they're doing?
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On August 24 2018 09:09 Achaian wrote:gladOS styling on these FFFF2 players Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework. That is just a matter of time. there's no guarantee that "general" AI will be developed, but if it is, it's quite likely to come about soon given the financial incentive It has always been the drive to make humanity obsolete. Financial incentive has always been the mean to achieve it.
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What hardware do these bots run on? Regular pc or something bigger?
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On August 24 2018 09:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 09:09 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 24 2018 09:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:04 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 24 2018 09:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 24 2018 09:01 Dracolich70 wrote:
That is just until they learn to improvise., rather than having patterns to exploit. "Improvising" is far beyond their framework. That is just a matter of time. I mean, sure, in the same vein that eventually AI will lose the "Artificial" part. Whatever you wish to call it. Not really sure if you're just being cheeky or serious. But improvisation will come hand in hand with actual machine intelligence. I am quite serious, but I wondered the same, if you were, because artificial intelligence still simulates intelligence, so improvisation doesn't remove that.
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Okay who fed their pub warding into the AI?
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lol the ward spam
Jungling in enemy jungle, afking... these are some real life mega creep reactions
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Today mankind has defended its honor.
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heroes made it closer in the early game, total stomp.
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Nice to see BurNing back, I just wish he could've held the Aegis
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lmao
so she was making the voice live
thats pretty nice
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Ladies and gentlemen, Ellen McLain.
Also voices Death Prophet and Broodmother in Dota 2.
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On August 24 2018 09:35 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, Ellen McLain.
Also voices Death Prophet and Broodmother in Dota 2.
And Spectre voice pack.
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Let's go VP, send Fly the Betrayer to the shadow realm. EG has gone more than far enough in this International with the luck of the draw in the upper bracket.
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Alright EG, don't let all of NA down further, I believe in the boys!
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Now the eternal question. Will it be an advantage to have played today, and coming off a win, rather than a defeat? May the best team win.
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Fuck, my 2 favorite teams are in an elimination match ... may the best one win I guess
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FFS someone correct him VP played Optic not VGJ.S...
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On August 24 2018 09:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
FFS someone correct him VP played Optic not VGJ.S...
They did play them in group.
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All 3 NA teams shall fall today.
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On August 24 2018 09:52 babysimba wrote:
All 3 NA teams shall fall today.
Then they massively outperformed SEA with equal amount of teams.
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Wow a team finally remembered CM. Yet another first phase drow.
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On August 24 2018 09:56 FreakyDroid wrote:
Are they bating Gyro?
Think nobody will pick it without Drow or IO. Even with only drow it isn't super strong.
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I think it's a bit arrogant to still first pick drow against a top6 team.
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Is there a world where Shadow Fiend isn't the pick now for VP?
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Oh baby we're in for a Sumail Storm game with drow aura No[o]ne is going to have his hands full in the mid lane.
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I would really love to see Void for VP here, but seems teams have forgotten about this hero.
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Underlord will be nice for vp
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Tiny somehow getting back into everyone's games.
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Thought VP gonna pick Alch.
Anyway, EG's lineup pretty squishy but does decent damage.
Interesting to see
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EG lanes seem so incredibly strong. Up to tiny to create tempo for VP i guess.
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Think this was a bite level 1 game for CM. Just because it is single instead of dual lane and against a chen where it kills a creep.
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Can't wait for Drow's aura to get butchered post TI patch, at least the levels 1,2, and maybe 3.
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On August 24 2018 10:13 Slardar wrote:
Can't wait for Drow's aura to get butchered post TI patch, at least the levels 1,2, and maybe 3.
Think it would be better to butcher her laning. Lower her range/hp/dmg/armor or similar. Make sure she loses all mid and most sidelane matchups but still enable her team. Keeping her unique but not too strong.
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On August 24 2018 10:17 pellejohnson wrote:
This over already
Feels like 80% for EG at this point. Not over but hard. Teamfight of VP is stronger if they can get level 6 and force those.
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Man why don't we see some tusk picks against drow lineup. Only recalling fy playing tusk in this ti
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On August 24 2018 10:14 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 10:13 Slardar wrote:
Can't wait for Drow's aura to get butchered post TI patch, at least the levels 1,2, and maybe 3. Think it would be better to butcher her laning. Lower her range/hp/dmg/armor or similar. Make sure she loses all mid and most sidelane matchups but still enable her team. Keeping her unique but not too strong.
i think buffing the hero but nerfing the overall team effect
even though it goes against the whole everyone op in their own way thing of dota
makes more sense to me for this particular hero
just a matter of opinion though
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interesting how vp has all 3 cores that feel like they got exposed as overrated in various ways during the main stage
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Not sure how VP's supposed to win the lategame unless they get a whole chain of pickoffs in the mid game.
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why do mainstage games feel like tiny highlight reels
except sneyking
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Storm regen rune. Will make next fight interesting. Sumail did work in that one already.
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If nothing else, I'm glad we get to see Sumail Storm again.
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On August 24 2018 10:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If nothing else, I'm glad we get to see Sumail Storm again.
Been more than expected storm this TI. Maybe due to the Drow picks so he gets that little extra pickoff power.
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This hold for VP has been good. Single pickoffs with silencer ulti. Making sure they keep their triangle.
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As Odpixel said, thats a typical RTZ death if I ever saw one.
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On August 24 2018 10:22 Stancel wrote:
why do mainstage games feel like tiny highlight reels
except sneyking
Because they're the only players that can make carry Tiny work.
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solo the walking bloodstone charge
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On August 24 2018 10:37 Stancel wrote:
solo the walking bloodstone charge
That's kinda rude. He also gives his team mana!
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Stop putting Pasha on Mirana. He's clearly not comfortable on the hero.
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king and his iconic clutch storm
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It's fascinating to see Silencer suddenly being the most meta of supports again. He came out of nowhere.
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That was one very risky uphill walk.
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ramzes self implodes again
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VP still trying to work their way around the current meta, have lost the dominant position they held for a long time.
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Another game where core tiny loses? SMH teams relying on Tiny to win the lane. Pick core tiny to win lane then you don't and then you're guaranteed to lose.
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Feels like teams don't respect the fact that EG always group up around those highground positions like near the mid lane close to the ward spot. They did it vs OG as well and are very disiciplined at just holding those positions, even if it means they may miss out on some farm. And it usually pays of since eventually one core from the other team will go out to farm the lane on the lowground.
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On August 24 2018 10:44 Shergal wrote:
VP still trying to work their way around the current meta, have lost the dominant position they held for a long time.
TI is always a new meta each day, unless there is a hero that's completely broken.
Also, they didn't ban Drow. Ban Drow over Enchantress.
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VP of 6 months ago would have picked like tusk SK and rape the hell out of that drow silencer lane
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Silencer counters VP too hard. You know they're a team that likes to run and fight early on, but silencer just ruins their style. Jump on them, global, and they can't do a thing. Get tank items and position well, get jumped on, global and profit. Sooner or later you get big enough to do either without global anyway.
VP hasn't learnt from getting destroyed by xnova earlier.
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On August 24 2018 10:49 babysimba wrote:
VP of 6 months ago would have picked like tusk SK and rape the hell out of that drow silencer lane
Yes. It feels the meta has gotten into their heads, instead of playing heroes they are good in.
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On August 24 2018 10:53 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 10:49 babysimba wrote:
VP of 6 months ago would have picked like tusk SK and rape the hell out of that drow silencer lane Yes. It feels the meta has gotten into their heads, instead of playing heroes they are good in.
First pick Ursa now
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Let's go VP! Boris will guide you
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why are they all so scared of weaver? i still don't really understand
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On August 24 2018 11:00 Shergal wrote:
why are they all so scared of weaver? i still don't really understand
Weaver can play in every lane, has negative armor for taking Rosh, and scales into the lategame.
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How about sf for vp
[Edit]
Weird....
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alch against ursa tiny pugna?
wot
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On August 24 2018 11:08 DucK- wrote:
How about sf for vp
They've made their choice. VP will sink with the ship.
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On August 24 2018 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 11:00 Shergal wrote:
why are they all so scared of weaver? i still don't really understand Weaver can play in every lane, has negative armor for taking Rosh, and scales into the lategame.
Also, with the rest of the Meta heroes, he's almost never your first kill priority. For the big change in the offlane role this patch, he's just a mess to deal with. Plus, it's a huge flex pick during the early parts of the draft.
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I liked the smoke from EG. Went past rosh to check for level 1 Rosh strat.
I hate their draft though. This Tiny and pugna MUST win their lanes or ursa can't dominate the game.
Audience saving courier.
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That looked so stupid! :D
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thought vp gave up and then eg pick the alch
what was the logic behind the alch besides bulba being sumail's bitch and picking it just cause he wanted it?
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VP's supports doing a ton here.
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that was fucking beautiful by VP supports
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lol that was a sick sequence
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lol that was sick
VP woke up
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Mid ramzes was the answer
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Sumail was channeling Unstable Concoction, but Ramzes was channeling the spirit of Boris.
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what a disastrous laning stage
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Totally different VP from what we have seen this TI. Classical CIS style of diving.
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VP's getting kills everywhere looking alright so far.
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what is this camera control, casters are talking about a totally different lane than being shown on stream
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Roaming phase boots winter wyvern
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Wonder why nobody puts sentries in alch camps. Forces sentries from the alch or his support but still likely blocks 2 spawns.
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On August 24 2018 11:21 Stancel wrote:
where's EG's damage
Several items away.
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There you see why ursa will have problems this game. Any blink in will be met by stuns and slows. Need to find EG split up or the hero won't be able to get the items he needs late game.
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VP will still get alch-ed despite them playing well early game.
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I don't even know how they are going to kill an alch with ice armor and swaps to save him later. Once you don't burst alch after you jump in, you are going to get screwed by veno.
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Nice! An alchemist that goes radi -> blink so he isn't dead weight while farming manta.
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lmfao that smile when he saw the regen rune after
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Sumail getting some lucky strikes there.
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dotaplus does not predict, it regulates
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Pathetic showing from VP. God awful drafting and dumb plays all throughout this TI.
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Looks like VP are going to be disappointed with themselves at another TI.
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On August 24 2018 11:31 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Looks like VP are going to be disappointed with themselves at another TI.
At least they're in the top 6 for once.
Oh, nvm they've been top 6 for the last couple.
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How is that balanced? Sumail luck is beyond the stars... Fortune favors the bold it appears.
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Again, VP just not quite on point with the drafts this patch. They were a large part of their strength historically
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EG understand Ursa lineups far too well.
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You know your game is bad when Alchemist is fighting against you with so little and you're losing.
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Nice, Ursa going for the split heroes. Probably only way to keep up. Limiting map area for EG.
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Who is doing camera for this game? Doesn't feel crisp, decent enough but lacking a bit.
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Unless OG's "weirdness" is beyond all possible expectations, I still see EG as the ones most suited to give LGD a lot of trouble
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VP don't deserve to progress further. They've been poor throughout the tournament. Noone in particular has not dominated games like he should. Draft wise is rubbish. They pick melee cores that need go jump in, commit and fight. But all their opponents need to do is prepare the counterplays. Where's the range DPS cores or invokers etc...
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On August 24 2018 11:35 DucK- wrote:
VP don't deserve to progress further. They've been poor throughout the tournament. Noone in particular has not dominated games like he should. Draft wise is rubbish. They pick melee cores that need go jump in, commit and fight. But all their opponents need to do is prepare the counterplays. Where's the range DPS cores or invokers etc...
They did use ranged cores vs LGD but it didn't work out.
Something is off though, I'll agree to that.
Veno or Venge for first Aghs later on?
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On August 24 2018 11:37 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 11:35 DucK- wrote:
VP don't deserve to progress further. They've been poor throughout the tournament. Noone in particular has not dominated games like he should. Draft wise is rubbish. They pick melee cores that need go jump in, commit and fight. But all their opponents need to do is prepare the counterplays. Where's the range DPS cores or invokers etc... They did use ranged cores vs LGD but it didn't work out. Something is off though, I'll agree to that. Veno or Venge for first Aghs later on?
Venge is probably the best option, but it'll be Veno.
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Tiny tower damage used well. Making sure dire buildings die. :p
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Ursa got in on them without being kited. Even though that was an insane lich ulti it didn't work out.
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On August 24 2018 11:37 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 11:35 DucK- wrote:
VP don't deserve to progress further. They've been poor throughout the tournament. Noone in particular has not dominated games like he should. Draft wise is rubbish. They pick melee cores that need go jump in, commit and fight. But all their opponents need to do is prepare the counterplays. Where's the range DPS cores or invokers etc... They did use ranged cores vs LGD but it didn't work out. Something is off though, I'll agree to that. Veno or Venge for first Aghs later on?
By range core you mean just visage or pasha mirana? I'm looking for the sf, invoker, ta, storm, Lina etc. Mids that can have good impact and scale well.
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Still if rtz got a linken this doesn't happen
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Just noticed there's no naga this TI
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put item into backpack to minimize winter curse is mindblowing trick
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On August 24 2018 11:42 ironcell wrote:
Still if rtz got a linken this doesn't happen
Why would he get it? Sad he got it but a BKB would stop curse and generally do more. Only thing linken is great against is bane ulti which venge should handle if she isn't initiating. With this linken she almost needs first aghs to do a lot.
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I haven't seen a godlike potm in years, l2arrow please.
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EG not going to lose this man. Their lineup is way too stable for them to throw multiple times against VP
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On August 24 2018 11:45 babysimba wrote:
EG not going to lose this man. Their lineup is way too stable for them to throw multiple times against VP
Only real threat is another 2 great WW ulties. Would get VP into the game.
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80% of solo HP in one Alch stun. :D
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3 s stun with 6 s CD with 800 damage is not disgusting right ?
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RTZ on Mirana is always getting picked off while farming solo. That goes back years.
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That cd is just so ridiculous. It's like playing a zeus spellcaster that can stun with 800 nuke damage and 5x survivability.
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On August 24 2018 11:39 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 11:37 Yurie wrote:On August 24 2018 11:35 DucK- wrote:
VP don't deserve to progress further. They've been poor throughout the tournament. Noone in particular has not dominated games like he should. Draft wise is rubbish. They pick melee cores that need go jump in, commit and fight. But all their opponents need to do is prepare the counterplays. Where's the range DPS cores or invokers etc... They did use ranged cores vs LGD but it didn't work out. Something is off though, I'll agree to that. Veno or Venge for first Aghs later on? Venge is probably the best option, but it'll be Veno.
Right you are.
Ramzes looks like the most impressive Ursa this tournament though this is close to an impossible game.
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I would hate to see VP exit with a sad whimper like this, but I haven't been feeling their confident plays or style like they showed throughout the year.
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tping against a venge is always so optimistic
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Oh no the same mistake for VP as in the Lgd first game.
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On August 24 2018 11:51 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would hate to see VP exit with a sad whimper like this, but I haven't been feeling their confident plays or style like they showed throughout the year.
This was a good VP game. If they played like this all the time they could have gone further. Even though it is a loss this was their best game today.
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lol bounties more important than enemy raxs for an Alchemist draft.
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tiny is so useless of a core once you fall behind
this hero does not offer anything except the ability to blow up a 4/5
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Blink on Alchemist is worth so much. Remember a game where the alch didn't go it and it just isn't the same.
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Lol, don't think giving aghs to lich is the right choice. Decent but worse than both mirana and venge.
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Ramzees has played his heart out, but VP draft doesn't have to many options at this point...
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Ah Ramzes played so well this game. Then two deaths and that is what we will remember.
Congratulations to EG for Top 4.
Last game today was the best one overall worse quality than yesterday on the games.
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that vp draft looks very garbaggio all around, wtf was that pugna supposed to do? Multi arrow seems very op.
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Leafs jersey in Vancouver lmao.
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RTZ ended that game with his arrows, no matter how much he got caught out
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If Liquid beats Secret tomorrow, group A takes the entire top 4.
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EG or liquid better not win TI, that would be disgusting
OG winning would be funny but I have to believe in LGD
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Out of gas and back to the garage. Boris is very disappointed.
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On August 24 2018 12:02 Achaian wrote:
EG or liquid better not win TI, that would be disgusting
OG winning would be funny but I have to believe in LGD
What's funny is that Kuroky captained Liquid at TI7 4 years after losing the TI3 finals. Fy is captaining LGD at TI8 4 years after losing the TI4 finals. Coincidence? Also, part of me thinks that underdog OG is stronger than favorite OG.
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after having to play that game, rtz is 100% gonna go full clown mode in the all stars match
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Game was over from the drafts in both games. Quite obvious.
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edit: nevermind, disregard
amazing victory by EG
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Poor Ramzees.
Did I saw S4 smile???
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Ramzes looking like he's ready to cry, sad to see them have such a disappointing showing.
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Everyone hating on the Toronto jersey. C'mon, even I know top tier NHL teams better than that.
+ Show Spoiler +
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toronto-vancouver is hockey version of madrid-barcelona ?
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eg keeping the american dream alive
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Just keeping the stream on to see if they'll announce the next hero at the end of the match.
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how are these teams even fair
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this is going to be incredibly clowny
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Mutation draft pogchamp
This is gonna be so one sided lol
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fat rotk is like kim jong un
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Really like how they integrated the voice actors/actresses this event.
Oh yeah, this event is where they announce the new hero(es) too.
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David motherfucking Gorman
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I legitimately can't tell if "Luminous" was intentional or not.
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i feel like every post interviews they have with players ends with "i'm playing for fun"
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tip vs glyph mind games incoming
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On August 24 2018 12:01 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If Liquid beats Secret tomorrow, group A takes the entire top 4.
Secret will beat Liquid, dun worry.
Midone < Miracle
Ace < Matum
Fata = MC
Yapzor > GH
Puppey < Kuro
Looks like Liquid is stronger team satistically.
Lol, i still not sure why i think Secret will beat Liquid, cos we can make it this way:
Midone > Matum
Ace < Miracle
Fata > GH
Yapzor > Kuro
Puppey < MC
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man another boring ass all star game
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That was lame. At least they killed it before it became truly stale.
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They should just make players play hardcore ninja or something for all stars, that'd be hype
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Ardm is the only viable mode for allstars. When will valve learn
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still think -ardm is the most reliable mode for interesting allstar
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They should play a different game for the All star , I always wanted to see whos good at CSGO from the Dota guys, at least we will get some laughs , Dota is NOT a good game for All star.
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So are they gonna reveal a new hero or what?
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No announcement nothing after such a shit all star game. Wp valve
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ugh the all star game has so much potential and it's turned into such a fail in recent years. Need surprises, unexpected players show up, maybe some oldschool players that no one would expect, or make sure to always have some sort of new hero announcement or showcase during the match...some all star matches were so much fun, 2014 techies, 2015 dendi pudge outfit 10v10, those games were so entertaining and fun, past couple years have been a snoozefest.
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10v10 was the only legitimate all-star game in my book. That was exciting AF.
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the last 2 all star games have been atrocious. horrible.
EDIT: i suggest we do all star game either before the tournament starts, or after the tournament ends. doing it in the middle of the tournament is frustrating and awkward. also, lets have the all star tournaments be a bit more normalized. we love the fun and jokes, but these players have some of the highest individual skill of all Ti attendees. it'd be nice to have a game where we can see clutch plays occurring, as well as comedy (i.e., consider a pudge wars game)
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rofl nobody know what to do with china boys, if PSG will beat OG today, then PSG will win TI 18, 100%
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On August 25 2018 00:11 Powlean wrote:
rofl nobody know what to do with china boys, if PSG will beat OG today, then PSG will win TI 18, 100%
we'll see. newbee had a similar run in ti7
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On August 25 2018 01:30 nuketurnal2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 00:11 Powlean wrote:
rofl nobody know what to do with china boys, if PSG will beat OG today, then PSG will win TI 18, 100% we'll see. newbee had a similar run in ti7
And you hope that Liquid will beat LGD in finale?
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