[The International 8] Main Event - Day 2 - Page 31

On August 22 2018 08:14 Ramiz1989 wrote:

Kind of, also they are saccing Ace whenever it is possible, and Fata takes his "position" most of the time. I remember Ace playing solo Weaver and solo Spectre against a 3 lane, he does that all the time.

However, his positioning and item build in this game as Necro was questionable at the best. Getting Eul first into Force Staff would make him far more durable, Blade Mail did absolutely nothing. He was too afraid to use Reaper a lot of times. When he gets hit by Calldown, all he could do is Ghost Shroud, Blade Mail and hope for the best while bunch of Zombies stack on him, he didn't have any escape tool, and Force Staff would have changed that.

On August 22 2018 08:06 nVme wrote:
seriously what the fuk did secret expect to happen sticking around to push top hg after gyro respawned?
that and the midone shivas over a hex.... duds

On August 22 2018 08:19 nVme wrote:


true but they severely underestimated the power of gyro (gyro drow is super op lol) if yapzor wasnt the greediest support in the world he wouldve gotten a ghost scepter to help his damn team

secret shouldve won that game after that sumail pick and arteezy bb, yet they decide to fight trying to go for a 2nd set of racks when they could have reset and looked for arteezy and catch him off guard. that was game losing—> from a sizeable lead to 3 forced bbs into sitting in base cause of the bbs till eg end

On August 22 2018 08:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
lets see if ccnc stands for cool calm n collected or CHOKE CHOKE N CHOKE this series

On August 22 2018 08:04 Kelefei2016 wrote:
it is so obvious that both games, ace as carry but he is extremely low performance in both games. or we are overrated him all the while?

On August 22 2018 08:21 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

even if they didnt throw 3 bbs there they wouldve had to kill sumail twice to win the game, and the sumail pick leading up to that situation was arguably the most out of position core all game

i dont think they were in a winning position even if they backed off properly

On August 22 2018 08:25 Kelefei2016 wrote:


No, i guess they hope while taking the top lane, they could catch Drow but Yapzor is too afraid to initiate that. If they do, then likely they sacrifice 1 supp and exchange for drow, i think thats more worse cos if drow died, gyro cannot do much while tinker necro and mirana are still there.

On August 22 2018 08:24 FreakyDroid wrote:


In game one they sacked him offlane with ppy, the guy who didnt manage to hit 1 single useful curse all game. WW is a support that needs level 5 to be a presence on the lane to match weaver and venge. He was up against Weaver and Venge, both which can harass a lot. His top lane Mirana fed Ursa, a lane which they should have won and a hero that should have created space for him.

In game 2 they were simply outdrafted. Ace had a hard lane, a few rotations from Sumail made it even harder. During mid game, he avoided many deaths with eul/blademail. He itemized perfectly for the heroes he was up against and used the items on point all the time. That's all he can do, he is not a 1 man army to win alone against fed Gyro and Drow, both which can kill him pretty quickly. If he ghost shrouds, he gets nuked with Calldown+Rip, if he uses BKB Gyro + Drow right click him to death.

Im not saying Ace is top tier carry, but calling him low performance without looking at the whole picture isnt fair either.

On August 22 2018 08:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

yeah i think EG definitely baited the overextension there

they had drow without bb show and initiate, knowing that secret would be desperate to burst the drow with no bb and potentially just win off of that

but EG knew this and arteezy hit bkb as soon as possible

idk if yapzor still had swap or not but i kind of expected a yapzor swap on the drow that never came

On August 22 2018 08:41 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
BSJ analysis has been mostly on point so far

lets see if he continues to look smart