EPT[DAC 2018] DAC Major - Playoffs Day 4 - Page 3
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polgas
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goody153
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 06 2018 12:32 goody153 wrote: Dotabuff data doesn't even represent all data (just those who signed up). And brood vs bat doesn't happen cause nobody lanes batrider mid anymore Flamebreak is a shit skill unless you upgrade it which would mean you don't upgrade firefly and oil(you're the worst batrider in the game that time if you die) lol. I don't think flamebreak even kills the broodlings cause most nukes don't actually kill broodlings who deal more damage than flamebreak And that assumption is even assuming that bat is invincible and won't die to massive damage that brood can deal which is why he wins most midlane matchup Flamebreak has 25dps lv1 (Firefly has 10dps lv1 btw), and it upgrades to 30dps on lv2.... I don't think that's a skill I'd call "a shit skill unless you upgrade it". It's literally the opposite and a lv1 value-point... | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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goody153
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On April 06 2018 12:35 polgas wrote: liquid draft looks weak It's doable we have visage and uberlord to draw attention then miracle void to do stuff but it's certainly harder to execute and alot less flexible than TNC's straightforward draft. TNC lineup probably scales better | ||
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goody153
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On April 06 2018 12:36 Toadesstern wrote: Flamebreak has 25dps lv1 (Firefly has 10dps lv1 btw), and it upgrades to 30dps on lv2.... I don't think that's a skill I'd call "a shit skill unless you upgrade it". It's literally the opposite and a lv1 value-point... Go play bat max flamebreak then and see if you can be effective in teamfights or in the early game in general lol Have you not realized why nobody maxes that shit cause you know it's shit. That still makes him unable to kill broodlings or brood himself even with broodlings natural hp and magic resistance. On April 06 2018 12:38 Thetwinmasters wrote: as a dedicated brood spammer I can tell you there is nothing that bat can do to go even or win the lane versus a brood that has a brain Thank you ! | ||
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Count9
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babysimba
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Orome
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 06 2018 12:40 goody153 wrote: Go play bat max flamebreak then and see if you can be effective in teamfights or in the early game in general lol Have you not realized why nobody maxes that shit cause you know it's shit. That still makes him unable to kill broodlings or brood himself even with broodlings natural hp and magic resistance. Thank you ! I literally said the opposite goody... you're not even reading what I'm posting. I said you don't need to max flamebreak, it's a valuepoint you keep on lv1. And you're telling me to try max flamebreak despite noone ever arguing to try that | ||
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goody153
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On April 06 2018 12:42 babysimba wrote: FV carry feels more like a chinese hero. Liquid usually plays fast tempo and also good wave clear heroes that can get map control. It's still a good 1 position hero for miracle since it can farm, splitpush, contribute in fights. It's a pretty well-rounded hero that can do alot of stuff. Now that i think about it i'm not sure which lineup has an easier way in fights since liquid just needs to stand and tank shit while void cleans up with counterinitiation | ||
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goody153
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On April 06 2018 12:44 Toadesstern wrote: I literally said the opposite goody... you're not even reading what I'm posting. I said you don't need to max flamebreak, it's a valuepoint you keep on lv1. And you're telling me to try max flamebreak despite noone ever arguing to try that Valuepoint flamebreak doesn't still do shit against broodlings which was your point on how bat beats brood on lane, right ? It just doesn't deal enough damage like every other higher damage nuke before level 4 Also there's no reason to pickup flamebreak cause upgrading other skills other is just better for bat in general. | ||
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babysimba
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On April 06 2018 12:44 Toadesstern wrote: I literally said the opposite goody... you're not even reading what I'm posting. I said you don't need to max flamebreak, it's a valuepoint you keep on lv1. And you're telling me to try max flamebreak despite noone ever arguing to try that That so called value point is going to set bat back even more when he is chased out of lane. Bat skill points are pretty flexible but realistically bat players are only going to add an early point into flamebreak only when they know it is going to let them net a kill. | ||
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Atreides
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CosmicSpiral
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On April 06 2018 12:45 goody153 wrote: It's still a good 1 position hero for miracle since it can farm, splitpush, contribute in fights. It's a pretty well-rounded hero that can do alot of stuff. Now that i think about it i'm not sure which lineup has an easier way in fights since liquid just needs to stand and tank shit while void cleans up with counterinitiation TnC has better engage and disengage but Liquid has an easier time guaranteeing kills with Ice Blast and the consistent damage from Familiars + Firestorm. | ||
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babysimba
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Chrono + firestorm + iceblast kills everything though. | ||
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goody153
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On April 06 2018 12:55 CosmicSpiral wrote: TnC has better engage and disengage but Liquid has an easier time guaranteeing kills with Ice Blast and the consistent damage from Familiars + Firestorm. Yeah i think they also have an easier time when TNC is the one going at them. They have decent counterinitiation and relatively tanky/dodgy heroes apart from AA(which is never the ideal hero to catch) | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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Thetwinmasters
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