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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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bigbadchen
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Checkm8
Japan627 Posts
VGJ Thunder let's go! | ||
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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goody153
44203 Posts
hopefully VG.J pulls throught right now there are so many teams that are incredibly competitive that if they prevent VP from becoming a juggernaut pre-TI .. the upcoming TI will be amazing to how many teams can take the championship but none is the favorite | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
They had a great run, for sure, but i do think VP outclasses them in pretty much any category, so the only thing they might have a slight advantage over VP could be "momentum". WItch Vp has a lot of aswell. Predicting onesided and boring finals!  | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3241 Posts
On March 11 2018 20:59 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Anyone in here thinking VG.J can take more than one game off of Virtus Pro? They had a great run, for sure, but i do think VP outclasses them in pretty much any category, so the only thing they might have a slight advantage over VP could be "momentum". WItch Vp has a lot of aswell. Predicting onesided and boring finals! Just opened the stream and i thought games were done cause stream name reads "vp vs vgt (3-0)", clearly production doesn't think they can take a game  | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 11 2018 20:59 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Anyone in here thinking VG.J can take more than one game off of Virtus Pro? They had a great run, for sure, but i do think VP outclasses them in pretty much any category, so the only thing they might have a slight advantage over VP could be "momentum". WItch Vp has a lot of aswell. Predicting onesided and boring finals! This VGJ run looks a lot like VG run in the last tournament 2 weeks ago. To me they seem predictable and not flexible or versatile enough to battle VP, so yeah I agree that VP outclasses them in every category. We will see, it can probably go either ways if VGJ have a good day and are on the roll, but to me it seems that VP will just crush them. | ||
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Nymzee
3929 Posts
lmao | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
maut casting finals | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:13 Wintex wrote: is this for real? maut casting finals Seriously, feeling forced to mute sound already. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:15 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: Seriously, feeling forced to mute sound already. I have nothing against the guy, but Tobi and Cap or Purge really make a cast nice. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:17 Wintex wrote: I have nothing against the guy, but Tobi and Cap or Purge really make a cast nice. Hes only casting game 1, its maut pair g1, zyori pair g2 and tobi pair g3-5 | ||
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DropBear
Australia4370 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:25 cecek wrote: VGJ haven't dewarded the mid ward they clearly saw Solo place. That's a massive misplay, actually. No reason you should let the opponent have wards you know about. Solo had 3 wards in inventory, they might have not clicked on him before he placed it and when they saw 2 they could've assumed that he didn't place a ward there. Just my guess, or it might be a misplay. | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
On a more serious note - give NoOne the MVP of this tournament allready, the guy is just so fucking on top of the game currently! Incredible performance! | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:31 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Chubbycopter is just to good! On a more serious note - give NoOne the MVP of this tournament allready, the guy is just so fucking on top of the game currently! Incredible performance! He was my MVP for the Katowice as well and I've voted for him, but oh well, Rodjer won the MVP award in the end. He is the best mid player by far right now. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:33 Ramiz1989 wrote: He was my MVP for the Katowice as well and I've voted for him, but oh well, Rodjer won the MVP award in the end. He is the best mid player by far right now. Completly agree! I think his DP in game 3 vs Liquid was one of the deciding factors why they are here in the Grandfinals! | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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Archeon
3260 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:37 spudde123 wrote: VGJT really doesn't seem to have any space to do anything. Always feels like VP heroes are wrapping around behind them whenever they try to farm a lane VP is mass warding starting around 10 minutes. The entire point is to take all of the team fights from 10 min to 20 min, which they can then snowball to a victory. | ||
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:41 Wintex wrote: Does Yang even play brew? Use tornado EVER please. and this too. vg do not seem playing dota there. regardless of vp aggresion, there is no excuse of cheap chain feeding for constant 20 minutes and misusing skills in every teamfight | ||
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Archeon
3260 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:42 Snakesneaks wrote: has sylar used eclipse once in this game ? 2 times I think and both times got some kills, but it doesn't really matter in the end. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:41 Taf the Ghost wrote: VP is mass warding starting around 10 minutes. The entire point is to take all of the team fights from 10 min to 20 min, which they can then snowball to a victory. It's not only that but they also have a really good understanding of what they can do when they show a hero pushing a lane themselves and how they should move with the other heroes to cut the enemy off. For example they have Jugg pushing mid lane to the T2 but the other heroes are moving really deep to catch VGJT if they try to take even one wave on some other lane. Of course the wards are often needed so you see the enemy going there but not every team can also move fast enough through the right routes to not feed any kills and get constant pickoffs | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
And probably not having an offlaner that does nothing at all. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Guys don't try to analyze meta and stuff, VP are just on another level. | ||
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:45 spudde123 wrote: It's not only that but they also have a really good understanding of what they can do when they show a hero pushing a lane themselves and how they should move with the other heroes to cut the enemy off. For example they have Jugg pushing mid lane to the T2 but the other heroes are moving really deep to catch VGJT if they try to take even one wave on some other lane It's not only that, but it's the change VP has made in this Meta to get a decisive advantage. They're also rotating most of the team any time there is a gank attempt, as they have so much of the map visible that they know where the other team is the entire time. VP should have lost Game 2 against Optic and Game 3 against Liquid, but the warding to setup their movement allowed them to come back really hard. However, there isn't an easy counter, unless the Offlaner goes 2nd item Gem. | ||
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
Terrorblade, Gyro, DP,Sandking,Disruptor,Chen,Kunkka. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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bigbadchen
53 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:52 bigbadchen wrote: Liquid should learn a thing or two from VP. They had aegis and they knew they were ahead. They still kept pushing with ageis juggy at the front but they did not overextend even willing to let the aegis expired but they did still pressure the opponents. random liquid comment has appeared | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:51 cecek wrote: I think VP win the second game now, in the third they do some stupid clowny shit draft and lose. And then they win the last one. Haha yeah sounds like VP. On March 11 2018 21:52 bigbadchen wrote: Liquid should learn a thing or two from VP. They had aegis and they knew they were ahead. They still kept pushing with ageis juggy at the front but they did not overextend even willing to let the aegis expired but they did still pressure the opponents. You can't really say that because not so long ago Liquid was another level team, and VP were known as Virtus.Throw because they had amazing early - mid game in almost every game and managed to throw their advantage by overextending. Although I am very impressed by new Virtus.Pro, ever since Rodjer got in the team, they are still playing that aggressive style that they are loved for but can play very patient game when it is needed. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Nymzee
3929 Posts
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Archeon
3260 Posts
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
On March 11 2018 22:20 Nymzee wrote: i swear zyori just says words because they sound good and have no relevance to the game he's "casting" Agree! Not sure why people complain about Maut when they have zyori casting... | ||
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On March 11 2018 22:40 cecek wrote: Not 3-0. I think this next game VP picks something dumb like a dazzle carry, or a slar and lose. Then they get an easy win for a 3-1. I'd still back VP to win with dazzle carry. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4370 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On March 11 2018 22:59 DropBear wrote: This event has been the least interesting/exciting dota tourney I think I've ever seen. Definitely the least interesting major. One good game in the entire tournament, the TNC v VGJ thunder bo1 Obligatory Liquid vs VP series, especially game 3 where Miracle grabbed VP by the balls.. , and then MindControl let it go. EG vs Liquid, Liquid vs OG were fun, too. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 11 2018 23:13 cecek wrote: VGJ seems very tilted. This game is gonna be faster than the previous 2. Wouldn't be surprised by a sub 20-minute gg. Definitely looks like one of those unstoppable Brood games. | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
Sylar dies wherever he goes just as I thought, DP needs items, Bat is destroyed mid. It's over. | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Archeon
3260 Posts
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On March 11 2018 23:25 Archeon wrote: how did brood run down that cliff? she was taking damage from flamebreak as well as firefly. Oh dude, you haven't been reading patch notes lately, have you? :D Since Brood changes where she isn't invisible in the web anymore, she always have unobstructed pathing, which is why she is almost autowin when last picked into lineup with no counters. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On March 11 2018 23:25 Archeon wrote: how did brood run down that cliff? she was taking damage from flamebreak as well as firefly. this isn't how brood works anymore. She doesn't go invis but does always have free pathing inside her webs. in 7.07 Spin Web No longer grants invisibility with a 2 second fade delay. No longer loses free pathing or halves movement speed upon taking player/Roshan based damage. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
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Archeon
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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LennX
4556 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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Solo_322
8 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
On March 11 2018 23:43 Zea! wrote: Chinese doto looks kinda bad nowadays Not really, they just tend to get stomped in the finals | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On March 11 2018 23:43 Zea! wrote: Chinese doto looks kinda bad nowadays Every pro dota team looks kinda bad except VP. Well, they have the most skilled players at the scene atm, that's for sure. I am really glad that meta changes are ahead, in a hindsight this kind of major was really unnecessary (Swiss System + Dark Willow marketing ploys). | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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BlazingGlory
Bulgaria855 Posts
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
On March 11 2018 23:43 Zea! wrote: Chinese doto looks kinda bad nowadays China Dota almost get into final for every Tournament, for the late few tournament ESL Genting : Newbee (Champion) ESL Katowice: Vici (first runner up) This time: VGJ (first runner up) How can this to be considered as "bad"? What i see is China Dota is very competitive, any team can be in final | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On March 12 2018 13:44 Kelefei2016 wrote: China Dota almost get into final for every Tournament, for the late few tournament ESL Genting : Newbee (Champion) ESL Katowice: Vici (first runner up) This time: VGJ (first runner up) How can this to be considered as "bad"? What i see is China Dota is very competitive, any team can be in final EU > CHINA > SEA > NA as it should be. EU have more players, more tournaments, more teams, more $$ Then TI comes and China will trash everyone. | ||
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