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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:08 Sbrubbles wrote: If you get a 20 kill lead at 25 minutes (don't remember the exact timestamp) and still barely walk away with a victory, you were outdrafted. They needed to get constant kills (which involves constant risk-taking), got constant kills and almost lost anyway. One mistake early on and liquid would have ran away with the game. yeah, Secret played amazing, outplayed Liquid really hard and still never were ahead for the first 20 minutes or so despite being 20kills ahead. If they play even just a tiny bit less amazing it's over really quick. They clawed out that victory when really they shouldn't have been able to. Not whining about Kunkka or anything. Secret just played flat out amazing to pull that out. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:11 Achaian wrote: so much salt in this thread On December 03 2017 23:49 Achaian wrote: I hope secret bans out the cheesy heroes for the rest of this series. I love playing kotl but damn is he stupid in progames On December 03 2017 23:46 Achaian wrote: lone druid is such a stupid hero | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
spiked carapace aeon disk even heaven's halberd would have been nice | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
as for kunkka ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Nwqbd2B.png) let's see the WR go up in that case, you think it is so ridiculous to the point that it's stupid strong? personally think it's a very limited hero IMO, the previous game showing that spectacularly in my eyes. when are u ever going to get to play with 3 other disablers? or always safely farm lanes all the way up until 50m? | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
that's what these threads are for friend | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:15 nanaoei wrote: can't be disappointed with his kills on weaver. those were crucial but should not have happened from ace's view. as for kunkka let's see the WR go up in that case, you think it is so ridiculous to the point that it's stupid strong? personally think it's a very limited hero IMO, the previous game showing that spectacularly in my eyes. when are u ever going to get to play with 3 other disablers? or always safely farm lanes all the way up until 50m? winrates in pubs are not always indicative of balance in progames though. The big one here is wisp, who is awful in pubs (because people don't know how to play it, mostly) | ||
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Xurr
Germany313 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:14 Toadesstern wrote: yeah, Secret played amazing, outplayed Liquid really hard and still never were ahead for the first 20 minutes or so despite being 20kills ahead. If they play even just a tiny bit less amazing it's over really quick. They clawed out that victory when really they shouldn't have been able to. Not whining about Kunkka or anything. Secret just played flat out amazing to pull that out. You just won the "Only Team Liquid fan on liquiddota.com that can judge Team Liquids games objectively award". | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:10 Toadesstern wrote: but the problem wasn't him cleaving people to death from invis or from a screen away. The problem was him cleaving stuff in big teamfights that had him well in range, almost dying and suddenly turning it around with one big crit that oneshots miracle, Matumba or whoever else. It's pretty damn good for him that nyx never managed to return the damage even once in the game. Even that happens with the rapier, he oneshots himself just once the game is also over right there. Except that he might just take down 3 heroes with him, so what the fuck is point of Blademails anyway? If he kills himself and he is Kunkka with 3500 HP, he will surely kill everything else as well. On December 04 2017 00:04 Xurr wrote: Nevermind what a game secret had to play to get Kunkka to that point, you sound nothing but bitter. I don't mind Secret winning at all, nor the way they did it cause you do everything you can that is allowed to win competitive game, but cleaves ignoring armor was there from the beginning of Dota (since it is actually WC3 mechanic) and it is still one of the dumbest mechanics. It will take PA with 3 divines longer to take something down that has 50 armor than Kunkka cause he will one-shot it by hitting something else. It is very stupid. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:17 Achaian wrote: winrates in pubs are not always indicative of balance in progames though. The big one here is wisp, who is awful in pubs (because people don't know how to play it, mostly) What pros pick is indicative people suggesting core Kunkka is OP are completely delusional | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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goody153
44282 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:08 Sbrubbles wrote: If you get a 20 kill lead at 25 minutes (don't remember the exact timestamp) and still barely walk away with a victory, you were outdrafted. They needed to get constant kills (which involves constant risk-taking), got constant kills and almost lost anyway. One mistake early on and liquid would have ran away with the game. That doesn't always mean they're outdrafted. It's not like liquid was winning fights despite having incredible disadvantage cause they should be if they did outdraft them | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:20 LemOn wrote: What pros pick is indicative people suggesting core Kunkka is OP are completely delusional I'm not saying core kunkka is OP, though some others are. I just have trouble with the reasoning. | ||
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nVme
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:20 LemOn wrote: What pros pick is indicative people suggesting core Kunkka is OP are completely delusional Or heroes are very strong in some situations. Nah just kidding OP volvo please, Gaben nerf dis | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:17 Achaian wrote: winrates in pubs are not always indicative of balance in progames though. The big one here is wisp, who is awful in pubs (because people don't know how to play it, mostly) he is basically saying it is so strong, it wins games with its stupid mechanic. pro games trickle down to pubs and get people practicing said heroes, and with said heroes on their team. it's not a stretch to say veno, necro, slark, spectre, AM, ember's WR's all went up during their respective height of popularity. moving on TL has a TINKER vs AW, LMAO | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 04 2017 00:20 goody153 wrote: That doesn't always mean they're outdrafted. It's not like liquid was winning fights despite having incredible disadvantage cause they should be if they did outdraft them nah, an outdraft doesn't mean you have to win the fights. A splitpush game that you can't deal with can be an outdraft even if you lose every single teamfight and still win in the end. If you have to stomp 30-10 in kills to be EVEN it's almost always an outdraft. | ||
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