[DreamLeague Major] Season 8 - Championship Sunday

On December 03 2017 14:58 nVme wrote:
gonna be impressed if eg beat liquid
didn't think they would beat vp

On December 03 2017 21:04 babysimba wrote:
New morph boys. The amount of sustain he has is broken for a hard carry that can scales so well. Just give him a bit of gold and xp advantage at start and he doesn't ever need protection for rest of game ever.

On December 03 2017 21:05 Latham wrote:


I still think old morph was a better carry overall. I guess icefraud pushed his strengths from late game more to the early game side.

On December 03 2017 21:12 hunter_x wrote:
EG getting grounded hard, just after they thought they were tier 1 again.

On December 03 2017 21:11 Ramiz1989 wrote:

Old one was harder to catch/kill and better split-pusher, but new one is definitely better carry. The amount of combos you can do with new ultimate is just disgusting.

On December 03 2017 21:17 Toadesstern wrote:

meh, I don't think the ulti is something to discuss that much on Morph. The playstyle changed overall a bit but I'd say it's pretty much a toss-up between old and new if we're just looking at that.

But it's not just that. The statmorph now costs no mana. He has an entire ability more than he used to. That makes him better no matter what you think about the old one unless you really think the new ult is so much worse that it outdoes that.
I'm even willing to argue that the new ulti is worse than the old one tbh. I think it's pretty close but I can see people arguing going either way on the ult but the rest just makes him so much more stronger.

On December 03 2017 21:20 Ramiz1989 wrote:

?

I am arguing that new one is stronger, or you wanted to quote the guy before me?

On December 03 2017 21:17 PoulsenB wrote:

They played really well this tournament overall, but they still need to work on their play. Also this "shit on EG on every occasion possible" stuff from fans of other teams is getting a bit old by now. Grow up or go back to reddit with this shit.

On December 03 2017 21:23 Toadesstern wrote:

I'm agreeing with you that the new one is better, but disagreeing with your assertion that it's the new ult and the combos you can do with it that makes the new morph stronger.

On December 03 2017 22:46 Toadesstern wrote:
5minute midas on offlane nyx

wat

On December 03 2017 22:57 wims80 wrote:
I haven't watched a ton of Dota lately, but everytime I see somebody pick Weaver it gets crushed. What are these teams seeing in Weaver that I'm not seeing?

On December 03 2017 23:43 PhoenixVoid wrote:
All these pandas dying this game brings a tear to animal conservationist me.

On December 03 2017 23:43 PhoenixVoid wrote:
All these pandas dying this game brings a tear to animal conservationist me.

On December 03 2017 23:47 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Well we got three Ravages, but that was underwhelming.

On December 03 2017 23:48 Toadesstern wrote:
KILL THE FUCKING RAX FFS

On December 03 2017 23:49 Achaian wrote:
I hope secret bans out the cheesy heroes for the rest of this series. I love playing kotl but damn is he stupid in progames

On December 03 2017 23:46 Achaian wrote:
lone druid is such a stupid hero

On December 03 2017 23:52 LemOn wrote:
gg ez :D

On December 03 2017 23:56 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Matu died in 2 fights within a second, from 100% to 0% with 3k+ HP cause Tidebringer works like splash and ignores armor, it always was and always will be one of the dumbest mechanics in this game.

On December 03 2017 23:55 Achaian wrote:
Rapier. It's a good item. Shame for liquid that midone got one faster than gyro, considering they're both good carriers

also, blademail is sorely missing from that game.

On December 03 2017 23:55 Skynx wrote:
When in doubt, blademail

On December 03 2017 23:58 nanaoei wrote:
u guys complaining about game mechanics from anecdote meanwhile these guys play one of the most entertaining games of dota ever lol

On December 03 2017 23:58 ForTehDarkseid wrote:

Guess what, you need to be a at a Secret level to pull this through.

Compare this to Gyro (LD takes some skill).

On December 04 2017 00:00 Sbrubbles wrote:
Liquid outdrafted secret massively and still lost. WP secret

On December 04 2017 00:00 Sbrubbles wrote:
Liquid outdrafted secret massively and still lost. WP secret

On December 04 2017 00:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:

No, you don't need to be Secret level for an overfarmed hero to one-shot whole enemy team, stop saying dumb stuff. Mechanic is awful, Blademail is not good counter at all, it works when you see Kunkka, not when he cleaves you from one screen away from invis or with blink.

On December 04 2017 00:03 Geisterkarle wrote:
I liked how kky and gh were laughing after the game. They had fun!

On December 03 2017 23:54 Atoissen wrote:
One of the best games ever imo... Man what an end with that MidOne rapier <3

On December 04 2017 00:05 goody153 wrote:

could be also that they're tilted

laughing all the time while playing is one way of tilting

On December 03 2017 23:59 Toadesstern wrote:


I've said that 25minutes ago, that Matumba just needs to spend 2.2k gold to get a blademail on his main hero and kunkka kills himself...

the fact that noone mentioned or answered made me think blademail doesn't work vs tidebringer but can't seem to find any info indicating that... so it does work... right?

On December 04 2017 00:04 goody153 wrote:

uhm that wasn't an outdraft .. secret even had the better draft if not even draft at least

and though secret won it was pretty hard but that ET+Kunkka is pretty lit

On December 04 2017 00:03 Geisterkarle wrote:
I liked how kky and gh were laughing after the game. They had fun!

On December 04 2017 00:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:

No, you don't need to be Secret level for an overfarmed hero to one-shot whole enemy team, stop saying dumb stuff. Mechanic is awful, Blademail is not good counter at all, it works when you see Kunkka, not when he cleaves you from one screen away from invis or with blink.

On December 04 2017 00:08 Sbrubbles wrote:


If you get a 20 kill lead at 25 minutes (don't remember the exact timestamp) and still barely walk away with a victory, you were outdrafted. They needed to get constant kills (which involves constant risk-taking), got constant kills and almost lost anyway. One mistake early on and liquid would have ran away with the game.

On December 04 2017 00:08 Sbrubbles wrote:


If you get a 20 kill lead at 25 minutes (don't remember the exact timestamp) and still barely walk away with a victory, you were outdrafted. They needed to get constant kills (which involves constant risk-taking), got constant kills and almost lost anyway. One mistake early on and liquid would have ran away with the game.

On December 04 2017 00:11 ForTehDarkseid wrote:

Entire TL lineup except Gyro is really good against Weaver, felt like almost they anticipated this pick.

On December 04 2017 00:11 LemOn wrote:

Gyro is good vs weaver actually
that flak is really annoying to deal with

On December 04 2017 00:10 andyrau wrote:

i don't think you understand what outdrafted means
or how dota works

On December 04 2017 00:08 Sbrubbles wrote:


If you get a 20 kill lead at 25 minutes (don't remember the exact timestamp) and still barely walk away with a victory, you were outdrafted. They needed to get constant kills (which involves constant risk-taking), got constant kills and almost lost anyway. One mistake early on and liquid would have ran away with the game.

On December 04 2017 00:11 Achaian wrote:


so much salt in this thread

On December 03 2017 23:49 Achaian wrote:
I hope secret bans out the cheesy heroes for the rest of this series. I love playing kotl but damn is he stupid in progames

On December 03 2017 23:46 Achaian wrote:
lone druid is such a stupid hero

On December 04 2017 00:15 nanaoei wrote:
can't be disappointed with his kills on weaver. those were crucial but should not have happened from ace's view.

as for kunkka

let's see the WR go up in that case, you think it is so ridiculous to the point that it's stupid strong?
personally think it's a very limited hero IMO, the previous game showing that spectacularly in my eyes.
when are u ever going to get to play with 3 other disablers? or always safely farm lanes all the way up until 50m?

On December 04 2017 00:14 Toadesstern wrote:

yeah, Secret played amazing, outplayed Liquid really hard and still never were ahead for the first 20 minutes or so despite being 20kills ahead.
If they play even just a tiny bit less amazing it's over really quick. They clawed out that victory when really they shouldn't have been able to. Not whining about Kunkka or anything. Secret just played flat out amazing to pull that out.

On December 04 2017 00:10 Toadesstern wrote:

but the problem wasn't him cleaving people to death from invis or from a screen away. The problem was him cleaving stuff in big teamfights that had him well in range, almost dying and suddenly turning it around with one big crit that oneshots miracle, Matumba or whoever else.

It's pretty damn good for him that nyx never managed to return the damage even once in the game. Even that happens with the rapier, he oneshots himself just once the game is also over right there.

On December 04 2017 00:04 Xurr wrote:

Nevermind what a game secret had to play to get Kunkka to that point, you sound nothing but bitter.

On December 04 2017 00:17 Achaian wrote:


winrates in pubs are not always indicative of balance in progames though. The big one here is wisp, who is awful in pubs (because people don't know how to play it, mostly)

On December 04 2017 00:08 Sbrubbles wrote:


If you get a 20 kill lead at 25 minutes (don't remember the exact timestamp) and still barely walk away with a victory, you were outdrafted. They needed to get constant kills (which involves constant risk-taking), got constant kills and almost lost anyway. One mistake early on and liquid would have ran away with the game.

On December 04 2017 00:20 LemOn wrote:

What pros pick is indicative
people suggesting core Kunkka is OP are completely delusional

On December 04 2017 00:20 LemOn wrote:

What pros pick is indicative
people suggesting core Kunkka is OP are completely delusional

On December 04 2017 00:17 Achaian wrote:


winrates in pubs are not always indicative of balance in progames though. The big one here is wisp, who is awful in pubs (because people don't know how to play it, mostly)

On December 04 2017 00:20 goody153 wrote:

That doesn't always mean they're outdrafted. It's not like liquid was winning fights despite having incredible disadvantage cause they should be if they did outdraft them

On December 04 2017 00:28 nanaoei wrote:
U calling it stupid and whatever else and also insisting on it, is complaining.
most ppl accept it and find the game entertaining for what it is, or respect that the kunkka had to put in an insane amount of work built up from the very first minute of the game in order to get to stupid territory.

ohhhh boy he had a hot second to blink on the bear there, that hurts.

On December 04 2017 00:37 Ramiz1989 wrote:

"Most people accept it", hahaha ok, so last patch when there were a lot of "stupid" cancerous heroes, were they accepted or were people complaining about them? People were complaining 24/7 until Pugna, Bloodseeker, Necro and Venom were out of the game in this patch the way we know it.

Dota is just like other mobas, ever-changing game that will always have some stupid/broken heroes that will change from patch to patch. I just find it funny how biased people are and how they find some things broken while others are perfectly fine because they like them.

On December 04 2017 00:37 Ramiz1989 wrote:

"Most people accept it", hahaha ok, so last patch when there were a lot of "stupid" cancerous heroes, were they accepted or were people complaining about them? People were complaining 24/7 until Pugna, Bloodseeker, Necro and Venom were out of the game in this patch the way we know it.

Dota is just like other mobas, ever-changing game that will always have some stupid/broken heroes that will change from patch to patch. I just find it funny how biased people are and how they find some things broken while others are perfectly fine because they like them.

On December 04 2017 00:46 LemOn wrote:
wait
how the hell did he blink out

On December 04 2017 00:48 nojok wrote:

Blinker always finds a way to tink, ridiculous mechanic.

On December 04 2017 00:49 LemOn wrote:

Oh
when you rearm it goes on cd for a split second right

On December 04 2017 01:21 Chrian wrote:
I really dislike the entire concept of aghs LD

Like, one team has complete map control, the other team is sitting 5 in their base, and the team sitting 5 in their base is taking buildings. Seems backwards.

On December 04 2017 01:31 wims80 wrote:
aghs bear just wins every game?

On December 04 2017 01:34 nanaoei wrote:
io wisp, miracle on a playmaker, let's see it. TL has some of the best teamfight control.

On December 04 2017 01:36 nVme wrote:

tbh i think from this major, secret has the better teamfight coordination

On December 04 2017 01:33 juuto wrote:
Liquid needs a 5th player who can actually carry his weight this series. Every game has felt like Miracle has dragged Liquid down with his poor performances.

On December 04 2017 01:40 Xurr wrote:

You do know that this game was extremely hard to play as a tinker right? Nullifier bloodthorn arc warden and double ravage tidehunter who hat a sheep stick, lets not forget AA Blast and Sand King.
I don't get how you can flame him for not performing on his usual level in a game like that.

On December 04 2017 01:40 nanaoei wrote:


okay, how are they going to take this game?
they are saying that can't blindside each other with draft. that is fair.

TL's signature greedy playstyle will get punished by team secret, albeit game 1 was close, but an obviously greedy draft will get stomped, leading to an obvious draft advantage yet again.

i don't think it's going to happen this next game unless secret has a stubborn draft. let's say they they ban the usual suspects into double support + tide. that can be blindsided.

On December 04 2017 01:46 juuto wrote:


Standing outside the enemy base against blink heroes to shoot rockets at people with nobody there to save you deserves a bit of flame.

On December 04 2017 01:46 juuto wrote:


Standing outside the enemy base against blink heroes to shoot rockets at people with nobody there to save you deserves a bit of flame.

On December 04 2017 01:46 juuto wrote:


Standing outside the enemy base against blink heroes to shoot rockets at people with nobody there to save you deserves a bit of flame.

On December 04 2017 01:43 cecek wrote:
Secret is outplaying Liquid this series. They're just executing better.

On December 04 2017 01:52 Danzo wrote:
Secret is just the better team

On December 04 2017 01:50 Wineandbread wrote:
I'm surprised they kept nahaz on the panel in the condition he is lmao. Shouldn't Slacks step in as host and let his voice rest

On December 04 2017 01:55 LemOn wrote:

Oh yeah?
Watch what happens now :D