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On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:
Extremes:
- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.
VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.
- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.
CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety. Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3
TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world.
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On August 13 2017 04:04 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:03 Wintex wrote:On August 13 2017 03:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 03:55 Eleonora wrote:On August 13 2017 03:52 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 03:51 Eleonora wrote:On August 13 2017 03:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 03:48 Eleonora wrote:
So where are the comments about that disgusting draft from Liquid ? I see people here flaming Liquid when they draft Huskar / Dazzle + Brood, because somehow that's too cheesy (what that even means in DotA ?), yet such anti-, game-insulting, way of playing gets a pass ?
This is not DotA, this is pathetic. That was hardly a disgusting draft by liquid, it was their typical kotol first aghs day push timing that went wrong in early game so they resorted to ratting it. Now Brood+Veno+Huskar/Dazzle is brrrr So let's say it's not the draft but the strategy they resorted to after losing early so badly. On August 13 2017 03:50 FuzzyJAM wrote:On August 13 2017 03:48 Eleonora wrote:
So where are the comments about that disgusting draft from Liquid ? I see people here flaming Liquid when they draft Huskar / Dazzle + Brood, because somehow that's too cheesy (what that even means in DotA ?), yet such anti-, game-insulting, way of playing gets a pass ?
This is not DotA, this is pathetic. Huh? Lots of people are saying "cancer cured" or whatever. Lot is not enough, should be everybody. There is nothing cancerous about ratting. Hell, if not for ratting this game would be pretty boring. Now try and find fun in match with Brood+Huskar+Dazzle. I don't have any problem with ratting being a part of the game overall, but this risk-free Agha bear strategy is far beyond what should be allowed in this game (imo). Any other hero than sniper (that wouldn't have been able to chip the last tower) and the game can last 80 min. Actually a better in-your-face mid and game ends even quicker in LFY's favor. i don't know about that, sniper was very difficult to punish because he was positioned so well. the hero pulled off the early, mid and late game well. he kinda shit the bed late game tbh
yathink so? he did what was needed, and can deal with the spellspam while still sieging from a safe place
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Yeah. I miss Korean Murder-you doto.
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On August 13 2017 04:01 Artisreal wrote:
same bans again.
I guess it's gonna be alchemist strat now.
prophet over here
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On August 13 2017 04:06 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:
Extremes:
- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.
VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.
- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.
CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety. Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3 TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world.
Koreans had the most entertaining dota in the world.
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why are they resorting to gimmicks when they are on the VERGE OF ELIMINATION OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT
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alchemist, what a surprising pick!?!?!?!
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On August 13 2017 04:06 Gosi wrote:
blood seeker in the hands of the excellence of a Chinese dota2 Carry Player
say good bye liquid fans this is your time being over from this event u can all go homEO THIS IS CVGINAS EVENT WE OWON DOTA AND TI WE ARE CHINESE DOTA FANS WE HAVE PATENT ON THIS GAME GO HOME ALL NON CHINA DOTA PLAYERS
lay off the booze please
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On August 13 2017 04:07 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:06 Gosi wrote:
blood seeker in the hands of the excellence of a Chinese dota2 Carry Player
say good bye liquid fans this is your time being over from this event u can all go homEO THIS IS CVGINAS EVENT WE OWON DOTA AND TI WE ARE CHINESE DOTA FANS WE HAVE PATENT ON THIS GAME GO HOME ALL NON CHINA DOTA PLAYERS lay off the booze please
No he needs to keep going. Gosi is a poet.
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On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:06 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:
Extremes:
- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.
VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.
- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.
CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety. Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3 TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world. Koreans had the most entertaining dota in the world.
I feel it's not that interesting because it's 1 dimensional.
C9 dota best dota.
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On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:04 Nocticate wrote:On August 13 2017 04:03 Wintex wrote:On August 13 2017 03:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 03:55 Eleonora wrote:On August 13 2017 03:52 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 03:51 Eleonora wrote:On August 13 2017 03:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 03:48 Eleonora wrote:
So where are the comments about that disgusting draft from Liquid ? I see people here flaming Liquid when they draft Huskar / Dazzle + Brood, because somehow that's too cheesy (what that even means in DotA ?), yet such anti-, game-insulting, way of playing gets a pass ?
This is not DotA, this is pathetic. That was hardly a disgusting draft by liquid, it was their typical kotol first aghs day push timing that went wrong in early game so they resorted to ratting it. Now Brood+Veno+Huskar/Dazzle is brrrr So let's say it's not the draft but the strategy they resorted to after losing early so badly. On August 13 2017 03:50 FuzzyJAM wrote:On August 13 2017 03:48 Eleonora wrote:
So where are the comments about that disgusting draft from Liquid ? I see people here flaming Liquid when they draft Huskar / Dazzle + Brood, because somehow that's too cheesy (what that even means in DotA ?), yet such anti-, game-insulting, way of playing gets a pass ?
This is not DotA, this is pathetic. Huh? Lots of people are saying "cancer cured" or whatever. Lot is not enough, should be everybody. There is nothing cancerous about ratting. Hell, if not for ratting this game would be pretty boring. Now try and find fun in match with Brood+Huskar+Dazzle. I don't have any problem with ratting being a part of the game overall, but this risk-free Agha bear strategy is far beyond what should be allowed in this game (imo). Any other hero than sniper (that wouldn't have been able to chip the last tower) and the game can last 80 min. Actually a better in-your-face mid and game ends even quicker in LFY's favor. i don't know about that, sniper was very difficult to punish because he was positioned so well. the hero pulled off the early, mid and late game well. he kinda shit the bed late game tbh yathink so? he did what was needed, and can deal with the spellspam while still sieging from a safe place
i thought his TP after he used buyback and his positioning thereafter in that last fight was really poor.
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On August 13 2017 04:07 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:On August 13 2017 04:06 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:
Extremes:
- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.
VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.
- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.
CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety. Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3 TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world. Koreans had the most entertaining dota in the world. I feel it's not that interesting because it's 1 dimensional. C9 dota best dota.
C9 is truly the most multidimensional DotA in the world.
What's gonna happen next?
I don't know.
The opponents don't know.
Not sure if C9 ever knows.
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On August 13 2017 04:06 neozxa wrote:
why are they resorting to gimmicks when they are on the VERGE OF ELIMINATION OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT
liquid always drafts gimmicky stuff... and i think they're pretty satisfied with top3 already (i mean, thats like 2.6kk already lol), they're laughing and enjoying the moment as opposed to being very nervous and anxious
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On August 13 2017 04:06 neozxa wrote:
why are they resorting to gimmicks when they are on the VERGE OF ELIMINATION OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT
because liquid is a gimmick team
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ok we go football dota now, BS+Tuskar aha
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On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:06 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:
Extremes:
- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.
VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.
- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.
CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety. Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3 TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world. Koreans had the most entertaining dota in the world.
No, Wings was better to watch.
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On August 13 2017 04:08 Sif_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 04:06 neozxa wrote:
why are they resorting to gimmicks when they are on the VERGE OF ELIMINATION OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT liquid always drafts gimmicky stuff... and i think they're pretty satisfied with top3 already (i mean, thats like 2.6kk already lol), they're laughing and enjoying the moment as opposed to being very nervous and anxious
I think they're also being relaxed because if they start to tense up, that's when mistakes happen.
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