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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3615 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#501
On August 13 2017 04:06 neozxa wrote:
why are they resorting to gimmicks when they are on the VERGE OF ELIMINATION OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT


Liquid's entire brand of DotA this tournament has been "gimmicks", they are really not playing the same meta as the rest of the teams at all. So they're just doing their thing.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#502
Not feeling it for Liquid- Let's see. entertainment is great, I can't complain.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#503
On August 13 2017 04:08 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:04 Nocticate wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:03 Wintex wrote:
On August 13 2017 03:57 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 13 2017 03:55 Eleonora wrote:
On August 13 2017 03:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 13 2017 03:51 Eleonora wrote:
On August 13 2017 03:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 13 2017 03:48 Eleonora wrote:
So where are the comments about that disgusting draft from Liquid ? I see people here flaming Liquid when they draft Huskar / Dazzle + Brood, because somehow that's too cheesy (what that even means in DotA ?), yet such anti-, game-insulting, way of playing gets a pass ?

This is not DotA, this is pathetic.

That was hardly a disgusting draft by liquid, it was their typical kotol first aghs day push timing that went wrong in early game so they resorted to ratting it. Now Brood+Veno+Huskar/Dazzle is brrrr


So let's say it's not the draft but the strategy they resorted to after losing early so badly.

On August 13 2017 03:50 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On August 13 2017 03:48 Eleonora wrote:
So where are the comments about that disgusting draft from Liquid ? I see people here flaming Liquid when they draft Huskar / Dazzle + Brood, because somehow that's too cheesy (what that even means in DotA ?), yet such anti-, game-insulting, way of playing gets a pass ?

This is not DotA, this is pathetic.

Huh? Lots of people are saying "cancer cured" or whatever.


Lot is not enough, should be everybody.

There is nothing cancerous about ratting. Hell, if not for ratting this game would be pretty boring. Now try and find fun in match with Brood+Huskar+Dazzle.


I don't have any problem with ratting being a part of the game overall, but this risk-free Agha bear strategy is far beyond what should be allowed in this game (imo). Any other hero than sniper (that wouldn't have been able to chip the last tower) and the game can last 80 min.

Actually a better in-your-face mid and game ends even quicker in LFY's favor.

i don't know about that, sniper was very difficult to punish because he was positioned so well. the hero pulled off the early, mid and late game well.


he kinda shit the bed late game tbh

yathink so? he did what was needed, and can deal with the spellspam while still sieging from a safe place


i thought his TP after he used buyback and his positioning thereafter in that last fight was really poor.

i think they started takin g their hands off the keyboards as a celebration of killing the beast, and then had to go back to playing cause tl never GGs
The Bomber boy
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#504
On August 13 2017 04:09 VGhost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 04:06 neozxa wrote:
why are they resorting to gimmicks when they are on the VERGE OF ELIMINATION OF A 10 MILLION DOLLAR TOURNAMENT


Liquid's entire brand of DotA this tournament has been "gimmicks", they are really not playing the same meta as the rest of the teams at all. So they're just doing their thing.

I mean it's landed them a top 3 finish so far, so something must be going right.
kiss kiss fall in love
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#505
let's go liquid this game, I want to see more agitation
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#506
TB :o
The Real Power~
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#507
China v China it is
LiquidDota Staff
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 12 2017 19:09 GMT
#508
not feeling the tb pick though?

@Sif_ thats what LGD went into TI for, they seem really satisfied with just top 4
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
August 12 2017 19:10 GMT
#509
Well At least if liquid win now the "rat-dota"-tears will be delicious.
dada0036
Profile Joined December 2016
125 Posts
August 12 2017 19:10 GMT
#510
On August 13 2017 04:07 eieio wrote:
we LOST


huh? liquid draft is better
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 19:11:01
August 12 2017 19:10 GMT
#511
On August 13 2017 03:45 Ufnal wrote:
WHO THE FUCK SAID LIQUID PLAYS BORING GAMES


The thing is Liquid's games are "boring" if their opponents arent disciplined and decisive enough to handle the split push + have the team fight prowess to win in their small time windows. Liquid's strength in applying macro pressure give them huge margin for error. They can constantly prod the opposing team into commiting macro errors. Fans of lesser teams like to call it boring cause they feel their team has no way of winning. Its an excellent strategy. The individual skill of Liquid players round them out to be a strong team.

LFY plays a "dumber" strategy. They are more focused on the micro and they have to find kills to win. They were up so many kills and they were in a good positions in all 3 lanes in the early game but Liquid's economy was never that far behind. It was much more difficult for LFY to win but I dont think they could execute Liquid's gameplan the same way even if they wanted to.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 12 2017 19:10 GMT
#512
On August 13 2017 04:08 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:06 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:

Extremes:

- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.

VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.

- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.

CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety.


Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3

TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world.

Koreans had the most entertaining dota in the world.

No, Wings was better to watch.

Ah right Wings. I think they share first place.
The Bomber boy
cchriss
Profile Joined June 2009
United States912 Posts
August 12 2017 19:10 GMT
#513
On August 13 2017 04:10 Mafe wrote:
Well At least if liquid win now the "rat-dota"-tears will be delicious.

NP is way different that LD lmao. NP has to risk dying to rat.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
August 12 2017 19:10 GMT
#514
On August 13 2017 04:08 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:06 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:

Extremes:

- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.

VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.

- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.

CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety.


Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3

TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world.

Koreans had the most entertaining dota in the world.

No, Wings was better to watch.

LFY are fun as well , the days of AFK farming is mostly over in CN , actually the west i feel is liking the "dodge" strats better these days
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 12 2017 19:10 GMT
#515
On August 13 2017 04:10 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 04:08 nojok wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:06 Wintex wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:06 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 13 2017 04:00 VGhost wrote:
I feel like I'm in the minority seeing different strategies played/be viable. It's great, imo, that you have a scale of ideas that can work:

Extremes:

- All-Fighting (stereotypical for SEA) - treats DotA almost as a fighting game, objectives get taken on the basis of fights.
- Objective-Based (OG style, when they don't go full illusion DotA) - team plays to take down objectives safely, not give opponent an opening.

VP kind of combines these - they go straight for the objectives, but with a fighting lineup that basically invites the other team to fight them.

- Split-push - play around the other team, stay equal on objectives, build for lategame either with better scaling (or illusions, hi OG)
- Focused push (e.g. Liquid's Broodmother strat) where a team focuses their entire strategy on breaking in fast
- Been a while, but we still see 4P1 occasionally, too.

CIS and SEA are the "most fun" in a single game, but I love the variety.


Imho the most enjoyable team to watch (besides the real Alliance, of course) were TI5/6 MVP Phoenix, jeez what a team <3

TI5/6 Phoenix was a great team to watch. All the balls in the world.

Koreans had the most entertaining dota in the world.

No, Wings was better to watch.

Ah right Wings. I think they share first place.

Not at TI6 unfortunately.
kiss kiss fall in love
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
August 12 2017 19:11 GMT
#516
Random question: Is lvl 1 rosh not a thing anymore at all or did some team attempt it this TI?
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 12 2017 19:11 GMT
#517
what is this furi hardlane, is this 2015??
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
chabode
Profile Joined March 2017
330 Posts
August 12 2017 19:11 GMT
#518
On August 13 2017 04:08 BurningSera wrote:
ok we go football dota now, BS+Tuskar aha

rupture + tusk aghs = instant deleted

but tusk aghs seems too long to obtain it
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 12 2017 19:12 GMT
#519
On August 13 2017 04:10 Mafe wrote:
Well At least if liquid win now the "rat-dota"-tears will be delicious.


People that cry about split push dont understand Dota. Ignore them
IndyO
Profile Joined June 2012
392 Posts
August 12 2017 19:12 GMT
#520
Pls no battle alchemist
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