EPTOn August 10 2017 02:32 Achaian wrote:
The real question: if TNC ban every illusion hero, what does n0tail pick?
The real question: if TNC ban every illusion hero, what does n0tail pick?
Ez drow :D
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On August 10 2017 02:29 caramel- wrote: But every other sports use it, even if all the players retired. Like real madrid with la decima, or liverpool with 18 titles. The organization still deserved some glory with the titles that they won, so its not weird at all for me if they referred iG as champion of TI2. Just like everyone talk OG as champion of 4 majors. Would you like to just say them as 2 times major champ since its the titles that their current roster achieved? Or like at last epicenter, where 'Liquid as defending champion' even when the roster was different. The players won the titles, but the organization that collected the 5 players, give them place to train, give them salary, etc etc deserved it as much as the players do. iG, EG, Alliance, Na'Vi, Newbee. They will always deserved to be called as TI winners no matter who their current roster is, since when a player plays under a team banner, his achievements are also the team/org achievement. But Valve doesn't recognize the organization while in all other sports do. In TI, the organization is just a name that the collective group of 5 players in that tournament wishes to be called as. For example, this year Liverpool qualify to the Champions League. If they change all of their players and all these players say move to Man Utd or form a new team, the organization still keep the slot and not the players who left. In TI case, the players get the slot. The prize money is actually transferred straight to the individual players bank account and therefore completely bypassing the organization. The organization has no power to remove a player. In fact, i think in TI4, Valve gave ultimatum to Fnatic when they want to remove Era. Either Era plays with the team or not at all. If they want to replace Era, he must give consent otherwise Fnatic will not be allowed to play. | ||
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On August 10 2017 02:29 caramel- wrote: But every other sports use it, even if all the players retired. Like real madrid with la decima, or liverpool with 18 titles. The organization still deserved some glory with the titles that they won, so its not weird at all for me if they referred iG as champion of TI2. Just like everyone talk OG as champion of 4 majors. Would you like to just say them as 2 times major champ since its the titles that their current roster achieved? Or like at last epicenter, where 'Liquid as defending champion' even when the roster was different. The players won the titles, but the organization that collected the 5 players, give them place to train, give them salary, etc etc deserved it as much as the players do. iG, EG, Alliance, Na'Vi, Newbee. They will always deserved to be called as TI winners no matter who their current roster is, since when a player plays under a team banner, his achievements are also the team/org achievement. I think the issue is continuity. It kind of makes sense to talk about OG winning because the team's built around the same founding duo. Other teams (DC is the most blatant example) have been completely rebuilt. It's definitely an issue Valve need to figure out how to address going forward. Easiest would of course be to say "we only recognize organizations", but that would severely curtail the flexibility of the scene. I'd prefer to specifically recognize player accomplishments, but e.g. the Chinese scene might resent the downplay of the team brands. | ||
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On August 10 2017 02:29 caramel- wrote: But every other sports use it, even if all the players retired. Like real madrid with la decima, or liverpool with 18 titles. The organization still deserved some glory with the titles that they won, so its not weird at all for me if they referred iG as champion of TI2. Just like everyone talk OG as champion of 4 majors. Would you like to just say them as 2 times major champ since its the titles that their current roster achieved? Or like at last epicenter, where 'Liquid as defending champion' even when the roster was different. The players won the titles, but the organization that collected the 5 players, give them place to train, give them salary, etc etc deserved it as much as the players do. iG, EG, Alliance, Na'Vi, Newbee. They will always deserved to be called as TI winners no matter who their current roster is, since when a player plays under a team banner, his achievements are also the team/org achievement. The biggest difference between esports teams and real sports teams is that in real sports, teams are rooted in a major city. By default, they have a fundamental identity that goes beyond just the players on the team. You aren't just supporting the players, you are supporting the city and organization that has an extensive history. The problem in Dota is that the teams aren't tethered to anything at all. It's actually extremely rare for the players to stick with a team beyond a couple years for the organization to even develop an identity. Sometimes, the organization doesn't even exist more than a couple years. With players and teams blowing up and reforming every year and with nothing else to root down a team, it's only natural that fans follow players rather than teams. | ||
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On August 10 2017 02:32 Achaian wrote: The real question: if TNC ban every illusion hero, what does n0tail pick? He pick heroes that use manta :p or let Fly pick SD. | ||
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On August 10 2017 02:43 Danzo wrote: WTF Is with PPD right now? Is he salty because EG is out? He is always salty, but that probably doesn't help. | ||
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On August 10 2017 02:43 Danzo wrote: WTF Is with PPD right now? Is he salty because EG is out? he's been firing passive aggressive shots at reso since the start of the broadcast there was a veiled shot at cr1t too about drafting he's pretty salty | ||
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