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On December 08 2016 10:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Lets honestly hope Slardar, Luna, SD, Ogre, Drow and Alchemist will be removed with a next patch.
nevermind
slardar will give the enemy team +5000 armor.
SD will give the enemy carry movement speed and illusions will take 10k extra damage and not receive miss chance
ogre will have 5 int base with 1 int per 5 levels, and bloodlust will buff the enemy carry as well
drow ranger will deal less damage the further she is from her team, ulti bonus
alchemist will empty his account if he dies once.
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On December 08 2016 10:36 Papercappu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote:On December 08 2016 10:32 Warfie wrote:On December 08 2016 10:31 Wintex wrote:
OG plays worse but picks better heroes. Ge ge idk, pretty decent execution for the latter half Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in. its just your bias.MVP's draft are as easy to execute.its just another lame push strats.you even claimed OG played worse lol
Okay dude, it's extremely difficult to split push versus a team weak to split push and shadown demon luna does not have unkillable illusions. You can stay years away and still make progress. They made more mistakes but had a commanding draft, which helped them quite a lot. MVP knows they have the weakness outside of their timing.
Know urself.
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On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else.
Shadow Demon empowers any core who builds auras or stat items. Shit, we've seen base sieges with Lifestealer just to exploit the -armor.
People pick this hero because it gives you a way to siege buildings without pigeonholing your hero pool or committing to an uncomfortable position. You can ban him or wait for Icefrog to nerf him into irrelevance (which is the only way he'll fall out of favor at the pro level). Then pros will just move onto the next set of heroes that allow them to do the same thing until the basic mechanics of the game are changed. People will complain about any dominant strategy, whether it's Spin2Win meta or flash-farming mids.
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Lol just got home.
Wings lost to a team that lost twice to CoL.
CoL > Wings confirmed.
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On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else.
I think it's absurd that his illusions of illusions become full strength. That said, he wasn't OP until his illusion's damage and duration got buffed to hell and back.
On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:32 Warfie wrote:On December 08 2016 10:31 Wintex wrote:
OG plays worse but picks better heroes. Ge ge idk, pretty decent execution for the latter half Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in.
Skill at drafting is part of the game. The Ember spirit pick was a good one.
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On December 08 2016 10:42 Emnjay808 wrote:
Lol just got home.
Wings lost to a team that lost twice to CoL.
CoL > Wings confirmed.
Gayshit meta. The only real winners are those who refuse to play it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 08 2016 10:42 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. I think it's absurd that his illusions of illusions become full strength. That said, he wasn't OP until his illusion's damage and duration got buffed to hell and back.
On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:32 Warfie wrote:On December 08 2016 10:31 Wintex wrote:
OG plays worse but picks better heroes. Ge ge
idk, pretty decent execution for the latter half Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in. Skill at drafting is part of the game. The Ember spirit pick was a good one.
Yes, and I agree.
It's just a shame that some games become inevitabilities than a chance game.
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He is more hardcore than me. I could only stay in for like 10s when I ice bathed the last time. :/
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On December 08 2016 10:42 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. I think it's absurd that his illusions of illusions become full strength. That said, he wasn't OP until his illusion's damage and duration got buffed to hell and back.
I'm not even sure if the problem is that his illusions are so strong (although they are nearly phantasm level), but that in combination with their uptime being so high that you can stand in a safe place and have them go push lanes or hit buildings with no fear
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Jerax seems like a very likable guy 
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On December 08 2016 10:45 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:42 Nevuk wrote:On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. I think it's absurd that his illusions of illusions become full strength. That said, he wasn't OP until his illusion's damage and duration got buffed to hell and back. I'm not even sure if the problem is that his illusions are so strong (although they are nearly phantasm level), but that in combination with their uptime being so high that you can stand in a safe place and have them go push lanes or hit buildings with no fear
Yeah, it's a bit like seeing old Phantom Lancer's ghost return to DotA 2.
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On December 08 2016 10:39 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:36 Papercappu wrote:On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote:On December 08 2016 10:32 Warfie wrote:On December 08 2016 10:31 Wintex wrote:
OG plays worse but picks better heroes. Ge ge idk, pretty decent execution for the latter half Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in. its just your bias.MVP's draft are as easy to execute.its just another lame push strats.you even claimed OG played worse lol Okay dude, it's extremely difficult to split push versus a team weak to split push and shadown demon luna does not have unkillable illusions. You can stay years away and still make progress. They made more mistakes but had a commanding draft, which helped them quite a lot. MVP knows they have the weakness outside of their timing. Know urself.
but that doesnt proves that OG played worse than MVP. also MVP made more mistakes,not even mistakes just straight up got outplayed & outfarmed.pretty sure that jugg was at the same level as that support slardar the whole game
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Just make buildings immune to illusion damage
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On December 08 2016 10:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. Shadow Demon empowers any core who builds auras or stat items. Shit, we've seen base sieges with Lifestealer just to exploit the -armor. People pick this hero because it gives you a way to siege buildings without pigeonholing your hero pool or committing to an uncomfortable position. You can ban him or wait for Icefrog to nerf him into irrelevance (which is the only way he'll fall out of favor at the pro level). Then pros will just move onto the next set of heroes that allow them to do the same thing until the basic mechanics of the game are changed.
MVP deserved to lose that game and even though Shadow demon is bullshit, it's not as if I thought MVP played better. I don't actually have an issue with this meta even though there's some items for god forbid whatever was going through frogman's head to add a stat efficient item that for whatever the fuck reason increases your auto range.
this meta is fine, i like it. I could bitch about shadow demon being retarded but I like the way this meta forces teams to play honestly.
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fuck every team which ignores SD. not picking not banning not countering. fuck you to all of them
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On December 08 2016 10:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Just make buildings immune to illusion damage
or just make illusions doesnt do damage at all like in warcraft 3
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It's amusing how many games end up getting compared to chess..
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On December 08 2016 10:46 Papercappu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:39 Wintex wrote:On December 08 2016 10:36 Papercappu wrote:On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote:On December 08 2016 10:32 Warfie wrote:On December 08 2016 10:31 Wintex wrote:
OG plays worse but picks better heroes. Ge ge idk, pretty decent execution for the latter half Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in. its just your bias.MVP's draft are as easy to execute.its just another lame push strats.you even claimed OG played worse lol Okay dude, it's extremely difficult to split push versus a team weak to split push and shadown demon luna does not have unkillable illusions. You can stay years away and still make progress. They made more mistakes but had a commanding draft, which helped them quite a lot. MVP knows they have the weakness outside of their timing. Know urself. but that doesnt proves that OG played worse than MVP. also MVP made more mistakes,not even mistakes just straight up got outplayed & outfarmed.pretty sure that jugg was at the same level as that support slardar the whole game
They literally fed 4 heroes, had jerax save their rax by killing most of the wave, held an alright base defense that was even, then they sent two illusions to the next rosh fight and had S4 cast 1 vacuum and won the fight and the game quite literally there.
Placing a remnant, sleight of fisting one wave and remnanting back every so often is NOT anything special. It did exactly what they needed, but the bigger fight mistakes came from OG.
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SD illusions should also not be at full strength when used on an illu
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MVP merciful enough to ban SD.
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