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On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed.
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On December 08 2016 10:47 Nyan wrote:
fuck every team which ignores SD. not picking not banning not countering. fuck you to all of them
This is Dota 2, not Sd and Friends ffs.
If icefrog had balls, he'd literally make this hero unplayable as a sup. Want gayshit? Pick him as a core and face the risk.
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On December 08 2016 10:47 Papercappu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Just make buildings immune to illusion damage or just make illusions doesnt do damage at all like in warcraft 3
I would miss dark seer's ult if that happens.
Also lol : naga/sd first bans by MVP
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On December 08 2016 10:50 DucK- wrote:
SD illusions should also not be at full strength when used on an illu
I think this one change would fix everything.
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On December 08 2016 10:47 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. Shadow Demon empowers any core who builds auras or stat items. Shit, we've seen base sieges with Lifestealer just to exploit the -armor. People pick this hero because it gives you a way to siege buildings without pigeonholing your hero pool or committing to an uncomfortable position. You can ban him or wait for Icefrog to nerf him into irrelevance (which is the only way he'll fall out of favor at the pro level). Then pros will just move onto the next set of heroes that allow them to do the same thing until the basic mechanics of the game are changed. MVP deserved to lose that game and even though Shadow demon is bullshit, it's not as if I thought MVP played better. I don't actually have an issue with this meta even though there's some items for god forbid whatever was going through frogman's head to add a stat efficient item that for whatever the fuck reason increases your auto range. this meta is fine, i like it. I could bitch about shadow demon being retarded but I like the way this meta forces teams to play honestly.
The game has loads of weird shit added to it and random buffs keep happening creating flavor of the months that can be traced with 5 patches in a row of buffs. IceFrog is either on some shit or lost his way.
If raindrops got removed adn all the random movement and range shit got nerfed, i think the game would feel more cool again.
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I think Warlock counters MVPs strategy pretty well, it would also work well with it. The hero is a bit too good right now.
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On December 08 2016 10:50 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed.
Pro players are humans, and humans are animals of habit.
He was just forgotten.
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On December 08 2016 10:50 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed.
Trend-setting. People won't play a hero unless someone else proves it's good. That's how we get all these power creep issues in the first place.
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Banning the yellow Boyz seems a legit opener - but why isn Bat taken first round?!?
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On December 08 2016 10:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:50 DucK- wrote:
SD illusions should also not be at full strength when used on an illu I think this one change would fix everything.
illusions not having hero passives fixes a lot.
sd illusions never used to do 75% dmg and last a year
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should've left that drow alone,bait OG into banning it instead. also inb4 warlock+omni walking fountain combo
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On December 08 2016 10:53 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:50 nojok wrote:On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed. Pro players are humans, and humans are animals of habit. He was just forgotten.
It is also a case of what you are good at. Say you are OG and practice a strat for 2 months and are great at it. Then some team tries out their new drow strat and gets stomped 5 times in a row figuring out timings, items and so on. That strat looks bad to OG and they have no reason to start doing it. Then when a team finally gets it working against the most popular strats it takes a week or two to train it before you can use it at a level where it goes even and then improve from there.
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On December 08 2016 10:54 Nyan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:On December 08 2016 10:50 DucK- wrote:
SD illusions should also not be at full strength when used on an illu I think this one change would fix everything. illusions not having hero passives fixes a lot. sd illusions never used to do 75% dmg and last a year
You mean back when the hero was considered terrible.
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On December 08 2016 10:55 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:53 Wintex wrote:On December 08 2016 10:50 nojok wrote:On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed. Pro players are humans, and humans are animals of habit. He was just forgotten. It is also a case of what you are good at. Say you are OG and practice a strat for 2 months and are great at it. Then some team tries out their new drow strat and gets stomped 5 times in a row figuring out timings, items and so on. That strat looks bad to OG and they have no reason to start doing it. Then when a team finally gets it working against the most popular strats it takes a week or two to train it before you can use it at a level where it goes even and then improve from there.
sure, also true
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when in doubt, pray to dendi
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On December 08 2016 10:56 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 10:55 Yurie wrote:On December 08 2016 10:53 Wintex wrote:On December 08 2016 10:50 nojok wrote:On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote:
shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta
The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed. Pro players are humans, and humans are animals of habit. He was just forgotten. It is also a case of what you are good at. Say you are OG and practice a strat for 2 months and are great at it. Then some team tries out their new drow strat and gets stomped 5 times in a row figuring out timings, items and so on. That strat looks bad to OG and they have no reason to start doing it. Then when a team finally gets it working against the most popular strats it takes a week or two to train it before you can use it at a level where it goes even and then improve from there. sure, also true
Damn, wings lost to the offlane SK/enchant from na'vi one day and won with it the next day, why such a downfall?
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People don't understand the balance.
To destroy SD you simply take the purge out of him.
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Does SD beeing banned change how one could value slark?
He was a staple core in this version...
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Weaver vs Invoker mid, interesting matchup. Both can do insane damage to the other. Level 6 on weaver should see dives start.
Why did Dubu go back into dire jungle after failing on the invoker. Seems going bot would be safer. Guess he was worried about tps in.
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Velo's Ursa is actually really really good.
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