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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
 Boston Major!http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Boston_Major/2016 StreamsFormat
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Virtus Pro vs iG Vitality Virtus Pro Win (64) iG Vitality Win (4) 68 total votes Your vote: Virtus Pro vs iG Vitality Poll: Evil Geniuses vs Wings Gaming Wings Gaming Win (46) Evil Geniuses Win (31) 77 total votes Your vote: Evil Geniuses vs Wings Gaming Poll: Complexity Gaming vs Warriors Gaming Unity Complexity Gaming Win (38) Warriors Gaming Unity Win (21) 59 total votes Your vote: Complexity Gaming vs Warriors Gaming Unity (Vote): Complexity Gaming Win | ||
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Denmark142 Posts
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 06 2016 11:09 dragonswarrior wrote: Noooooo! Not EG vs Wings! *cries* Don't be sad because one of them will be eliminated, be happy because we will have great games | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Wings > EG - This is the game to watch, and the closest game in the Ro16 - both teams showed serious flaws in the group stage, but both teams have pretty high ceilings as well. I give the edge to Wings, but this could easily fall the other way. coL > WG.Unity - Ironically, the two teams that made EG and Wings face each other first round also face off in the first round. Edge to coL based off of beating EG twice, while WG lost to Wings in their rematch, but this is another where I would not be surprised at all if WG pulls it off. OG > MVP - MVP is a shell of it's former self, and OG is finally coming into their own with Ana having some great performances in group stage. The only way MVP wins is if OG has another historic choke. | ||
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Wings/EG ~ equal chance for both. Wings showed better team fight while played against WG, EG has outstanding players like sumail. Wings depends in how shadow and faith while EG on how CRT1- assists arteezy. WG ~ ahjit and ahfu performed quite well, if kangaroo can be better in gank and I hope they can win over coL. And I must admit that partly WG from my country too. OG ~ 70%, MVP under performance lately. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On December 06 2016 16:23 Hydrolisko wrote: EG Wings and NP EHome should be toss up fun games. I say IG.Vitality pull out some Burning carry, not like they have much of a shot with those 2 stand-ins anyway. I don't think either of sakata or paparazi can play support. I say , they continue as it is and try to draft more around paparazi while Q and burning sacrifice their farm. i think, it's too hard to play for their tricore because they are playing under very different drafter and shotcaller than the one they were playing under all season .. Q drafts around certain heroes and try to perfect those strats meanwhile super has more variation of heroes in his drafts..Q tried to pick one of his classic IG strat of lifestealer, Jakiro, slardar, DK in a game, but they couldn't pull of the execution due to there being no playmaking support. but then again, they took a game off OG and ehome on the back of active support play by both burning and Q. very low expectations for them to take even a game off VP, but u never know | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 06 2016 16:23 Hydrolisko wrote: EG Wings and NP EHome should be toss up fun games. I say IG.Vitality pull out some Burning carry, not like they have much of a shot with those 2 stand-ins anyway. idk why people think NP/EHOME are tossups when NP has beaten EHOME the last 2 series they've played. (the Summit was fairly decisive too) If you ban Alch against Ehome, they do not have drafts that work well right now. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10637 Posts
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VGhost
United States3609 Posts
Other matches: Wings over EG again, coL to lose b/c I'm not convinced they're anything but EG kryptonite yet. OG because I don't know anything about MVP really. | ||
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Papercappu
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On December 06 2016 10:53 Dison92 wrote: Damnit. OG got the late game. Goodbye sleep schedule I guess switch country with me pls I dont care about OG but dying to see VP bois | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
I hope EG and Wings show up to play. Both teams have looked more than shaky but the potential to do great things is obviously still present. Just gotta get there. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Vadrigar
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:08 SFDuality wrote: Lesson learned: No matter how hard you try, you can't make nerds look intimidating. Lost's death stare is still cool tho. Also Ramzes was not even trying. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:08 SFDuality wrote: Lesson learned: No matter how hard you try, you can't make nerds look intimidating. I dunno, I wouldn't want to meet Fly in a dark alley | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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atmankulkarni
India109 Posts
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Grettin
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EG 2-1 Wings EG to beat VP in Quarters 2-1. Watch it happen. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:08 TomatoBisque wrote: I dunno, I wouldn't want to meet Fly in a dark alley If he did as much blinking and shuffling and random facial twitches as these guys, even Fly would look like a harmless bunny. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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WakaDoDo
Sweden1183 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:10 atmankulkarni wrote: The intros are so bad.. The players look like they were kidnapped or something for the shooting!! Ha, they probably were, or close to it. Even the less socially awkward dota pros seem to be super reluctant to do interviews and promotional events and such without being forced. And if the promotional stuff is along the lines of "My carry will carry you into the abyss of suffering", I can't say I blame them. | ||
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atmankulkarni
India109 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:13 Papercappu wrote: i missed the opeing ceremony,was it bad or just weird like the one from manila major? You missed nothing. They just showed previous Major winners. Then panel talked for like 2 minutes max & IG.V & VP intros were shown. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
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atmankulkarni
India109 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:16 SFDuality wrote: Ha, they probably were, or close to it. Even the less socially awkward dota pros seem to be super reluctant to do interviews and promotional events and such without being forced. And if the promotional stuff is along the lines of "My carry will carry you into the abyss of suffering", I can't say I blame them. Interview I can understand because arguably they (VP or IG.V) don't speak much English otherwise. But the intro videos, I expected a lot more passion & some other expressions than Poker faces/stares. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:18 atmankulkarni wrote: Interview I can understand because arguably they (VP or IG.V) don't speak much English otherwise. But the intro videos, I expected a lot more passion & some other expressions than Poker faces/stares. It has nothing to do with the language barrier, the players just don't like doing it. | ||
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Vadrigar
Bulgaria2379 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14892 Posts
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Papercappu
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
(and re-sell the rainmaker bow) | ||
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Nyan
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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babysimba
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 08 2016 00:45 babysimba wrote: But somehow IG got 300 more gold rofl. assist gold op might also be that lil lost more gold than the tree | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Once we get into midgame rotations though, it will be a test of iG's synergy with the standins. | ||
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babysimba
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
LOL WELP. | ||
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Nyan
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babysimba
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 01:04 babysimba wrote: Remember Q was from CDEC. He knows the way to counter early aggression Pick Gyro? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
EDIT: Great minds think alike | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
All is fine ROFL | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On December 08 2016 01:06 babysimba wrote: Alright fat luna = better illusions for SD and DS. All is fine ROFL Your carry is my carry now! | ||
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ShiaoPi
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 08 2016 01:14 cecek wrote: Why is the screen constantly changing during fights? That's fucking horrible, I can't see anything. PGL, the production company Valve hired | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
PGL pls | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 01:14 cecek wrote: Why is the screen constantly changing during fights? That's fucking horrible, I can't see anything. Yeah, this fight was terrible to figure out,. | ||
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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midou
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On December 08 2016 01:24 midou wrote: What is Tobi talking about, VP messed up just once when Lil missed a blind blink stun and they lost 5, other than that VP were in control the whole game. Well, not really. VP wanted to push the mid and bot tier 1 towers and invested quite a bit of time into it, but both got healed up by Treant. That definitely wasn't according to VP's plan, they had to resort to trading towers 1 for 1, which is not something they wanted to do. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
As the first team, they might have actually showed a weakness of VP. This game 1 was actually very close and i for one wouldnt have expected it to be. What i kinda wonder is if IG.V made a crucial strategical mistake by trading their tier 1 towers during early/midgame arrround 12-20 minute mark. Instead, they could have somewhat slowed the game further down by focussing on keeping theire tier 1 towers alive versus powerplay by VP to drag the game and especially the opening of the map out for maybe another at least 5 minutes or even up to maybe 10 minutes and thus, aquiring a bit more of a gold advantages before going into the crucial midgame fights that happenend once the tier 1 where down on both sides. Because those fights, especiall the one at IG.V's tier 2 top tower have been very very close and the game could have had a different ending if the DK would have been killed after the Batrider initiation and the fight would have been won by IG.V. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 01:59 BigO wrote: Idk why teams let Ramzes play Naix, he is too good on that hero. There is a hero Ramzes is not too good on? | ||
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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ShiaoPi
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
wait why didn't burning use global earlier :| | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:02 ShiaoPi wrote: that was quite the good fight from iG.V though Not only a good fight - this is a really good start overall for IG.V! Well, if anything - game 1 showed a good start + a strategic advantage isnt enough to win vs VP. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
interesting globals. igv in trouble now. | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:03 Comeh wrote: btw this silencer pick is SUPER good wait why didn't burning use global earlier :| Old man Burning. | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
Whatever advantage IG.V had by having a nearly perfect start from Alchemist isnt worth shit if they fail these ganks and Bat has such a late Blink Dagger and him and the support are so starved for money ... | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On December 08 2016 02:03 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Not only a good fight - this is a really good start overall for IG.V! Well, if anything - game 1 showed a good start + a strategic advantage isnt enough to win vs VP. not so sure about a really good start, They are not as far ahead as they want to be with an alch. And VP is not that farmed as the luna or the alch, but their farm is spread much more evenly. Also their bot lane was pretty much disastrous | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:10 Shergal wrote: Bat going drums is the most game losing shit not really bottom lane as a whole is the most game losing shit | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:11 Comeh wrote: not really bottom lane as a whole is the most game losing shit They salvaged almost all of that with the first fight imagine if they had an dagger with that kind of nighttime advantage, mirana would've been dead mid as 1 example even without global. also bat wouldn't be farming so much of the time while ig tries to set up ganks with ns running at them | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Memes write themselves. | ||
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Canada2210 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Soul Catcher has to hit or that guy aint dying. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
blademail alch is the most INFURIATING shit | ||
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Germany1931 Posts
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:00 lolfail9001 wrote: There is a hero Ramzes is not too good on? Ye i guess you are right. He is on another level right now. Someone needs to find a hitman and take care of the issue if they wanna beat VP | ||
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Argentina1191 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
Spent 50 seconds chasing after no[o]ne that's some space. | ||
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Germany1145 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:32 Shergal wrote: paparazi has such perfect general mechanics that it seems weird to me how... "average" his eclipse usage is He probably only uses it with aghs. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:32 Thezzphai wrote: Was there any reason why noone didn't just TP out after he had popped his BKB? he didn't have one, he had to run to sideshop to buy it | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On December 08 2016 02:32 Thezzphai wrote: Was there any reason why noone didn't just TP out after he had popped his BKB? pretty sure he would have straight up died then, he does not have enough hp to tank the entire team while he channels the tp On December 08 2016 02:32 TomatoBisque wrote: he didn't have one, he had to run to sideshop to buy it He has Travels, not sure if they were on cd but he did not need to buy a tp | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On December 08 2016 02:34 lolfail9001 wrote: Weaver is actually pretty useless this game. and lil instantly with a money save there | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:37 ShiaoPi wrote: and lil instantly with a money save there I take my words back. | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
I think this changes the lategame situation a bit... | ||
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
eclipse used on frontliner bkbs is just a meh ability in general. yeah its a useful zoning tool and decent enough like most lunas use it, but with a little bit of finesse and patience it becomes an autowin | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:33 ShiaoPi wrote: pretty sure he would have straight up died then, he does not have enough hp to tank the entire team while he channels the tp He has Travels, not sure if they were on cd but he did not need to buy a tp huh, you're right that must've been a misplay unless it was on cd | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
nvm nice throw | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
gg | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
VP doing almost as good of a job as Tobi. | ||
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Theoren
Canada810 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:47 Dysisa wrote: This game wouldn't have been even half as hype if this wasn't single elim. Agreed, I know people don't like it, but I much prefer single elim. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:47 FFGenerations wrote: FAK THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD MEGAS Even if they had, they would still lose after being this reckless. | ||
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United States3369 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
VP have way more depth than everyone thought - playing from behind like madmen. | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:47 FFGenerations wrote: FAK THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD MEGAS The diebacks would have lost them the game even with megas. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:47 cecek wrote: Virtus Pro, ladies and gentlemen! iG.V had this game tbh, they threw it. | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:47 CosmicSpiral wrote: VP becomes more and more impressive every time I watch them. this game was mostly on ig.v not being crisp enough imo | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:47 Theoren wrote: Agreed, I know people don't like it, but I much prefer single elim. Let's take a guess how many 1/2 (in groups) finishers end up making it out of Ro16? I'm guessing 5. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
I fucking love dota. This patch is indeed incredible. I`ll for sure miss it lol | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote: Let's take a guess how many 1/2 (in groups) finishers end up making it out of Ro16? I'm guessing 5. group stage would be at fault, not the SE bracket | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 08 2016 02:48 Shergal wrote: this game was mostly on ig.v not being crisp enough imo You can say that about any team that loses an advantage. For me, it's notable that VP doesn't collapse no matter how behind they are. iG's mistakes wouldn't have been punished by most teams. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4319 Posts
8 buybacks 4 diebacks 14 deaths total = possibly the most ridiculous fight I've ever seen | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
if it wasn't for the fact that tournament placement is literally what makes or breaks the financial stability of the players, it should be the default | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:50 Yhamm wrote: group stage would be at fault, not the SE bracket Yeah, you're right. I think single eliminitation is fine, even good... Just the seeding and stuff previously needs to be done right. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:51 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yeah, you're right. I think single eliminitation is fine, even good... Just the seeding and stuff previously needs to be done right. It's tough because there aren't regular seasons or anything that can determine seeding easily, though. Like, how else do you do it besides group stages? | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:53 babysimba wrote: It's fine ff group stage is a proper round robin to seed properly If it was up to me, I would have 2 groups of 8 (well ideally 2 groups of 10)... They all do a Bo2 round robin, and then bottom two get eliminated, and 1 from Group A plays 8 From Group B, 2 from 7, etc. The TI that had a 16-man round robin was 120 games... A Bo2 round robin for 8 teams with 2 groups is 112 games, for 10 teams it's 180 games. Maybe with 10 teams a Bo1 round robin would be enough, which would make it 90 games. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:46 lolfail9001 wrote: VP WIN What is this traitor flair you have? | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:47 Achaian wrote: what a crowd, what a game of dota... reminds me of TI3 Its the venue too. Wang Theatre has a similar feel to Benaroya Hall compared to an arena. Would have loved to see a game 3 but Ig.v werent clean enough. Both the Luna chasing that kill to T4 after the mid ranged rax and the buyback was unnecessary. Should have been a B line to the bottom rax or out by Luna. Even if she dies you might already have Megas with Alch ready to defend. In the heat of the moment its not so clear of course. I think Luna also got tricked by the Weaver Aghs. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:54 BigO wrote: That chase on Mirana bot might have cost IgV the game, he bought so much time while still having buyback. Not really. What cost them the game is going full pub after that alchemist fight. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote: If it was up to me, I would have 2 groups of 8 (well ideally 2 groups of 10)... They all do a Bo2 round robin, and then bottom two get eliminated, and 1 from Group A plays 8 From Group B, 2 from 7, etc. Not enough time. Group of 8 Bo2 takes 3 days + potential tiebreaks. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:55 Reson wrote: Its the venue too. Wang Theatre has a similar feel to Benaroya Hall compared to an arena. Would have loved to see a game 3 but Ig.v werent clean enough. Both the Luna chasing that kill to T4 after the mid ranged rax and the buyback was unnecessary. Should have been a B line to the bottom rax or out by Luna. Even if she dies you might already have Megas with Alch ready to defend. In the heat of the moment its not so clear of course. I think Luna also got tricked by the Weaver Aghs. I agree. I'm sure if the luna ran to the bot ranged rax, she could kill it and there was nothing VP could do about it. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:57 Reson wrote: Not enough time. Group of 8 Bo2 takes 3 days + potential tiebreaks. Yeah, 4 streams = 40 games played per day, so yeah, with tiebreaks and all, 3 days for everything - since 90 or 112 games played depending on the format. Then at 4 Bo3 a day: 2 days for Ro16, 1 day for Ro8, and then 1 day for semifinals + finals. So that's a week long event, not much different from the 6 they are doing now. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:53 BrownBear wrote: It's tough because there aren't regular seasons or anything that can determine seeding easily, though. Like, how else do you do it besides group stages? More people would be crying about SE if VP lost. Group stage results dont matter once the bracket is set. It doesnt matter how many 1/2 teams make it out of Bo16. You can do a bigger group stage and seed top placed teams further in the bracket but people complained so much about TI4. | ||
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proving why dota is the premier esport ^_^ | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:01 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yeah, 4 streams = 40 games played per day, so yeah, with tiebreaks and all, 3 days for everything - since 90 or 112 games played depending on the format. Then at 4 Bo3 a day: 2 days for Ro16, 1 day for Ro8, and then 1 day for semifinals + finals. So that's a week long event, not much different from the 6 they are doing now. Its one extra day. I meant no time in terms of what Valve had set for this tournament. The group stage the way they are right now is also very clean for the teams, one day games one day off. If they could add one day to the main event, I would like them to do a DE + SE mix with SE once you have top 8. You only add 4 Bo3s. I have it in more detail in the format thread but essentially 1 round of WB and 2 rounds of LB then SE. Pure SE is bad it Valve need the ranking of the teams to matter. A mixed way gives a slightly better idea of Top8. | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:15 Comeh wrote: I just wish there were more BO5's if they were doing single elimination like maybe quarter finals on how much time do you think they have lol  | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:15 Comeh wrote: I just wish there were more BO5's if they were doing single elimination like maybe quarter finals on Semis would be possible at future events cause you only need one more day. OR If they dont have to have all 16 teams make main event we can do 8 teams main event with all Bo5. It also increases the flexibility of what can be done to determine the Top 8. Too many people would complain though so it probably wont happen. | ||
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On a site note - i really do enjoy the production and especially machine! | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:26 DropBear wrote: The only truly fair way to decide a winner is a single group round robin. Each team plays the other 15 in a best of 3 and whoever finishes top is the winner. No knockout rounds. But that would take too long and be far less hype than knockouts. if it wasn't because intra-regional dota isn't big enough we could have stable leagues for places where pings line up and then TI as the sort of CL to end the season i mean if you do a yearlong league with 10-20 teams maybe you can fit it, but nobody would want to travel that much | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:27 Absalom wrote: All 4 NA teams in top 8 soon tm yameswriting"delusional"onwhiteboard.jpg I'll be surprised if EG wins this. They couldn't do it with PPD and I haven't seen cr1t outdraft any team that is at least on EG's level | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:13 Reson wrote: Its one extra day. I meant no time in terms of what Valve had set for this tournament. The group stage the way they are right now is also very clean for the teams, one day games one day off. If they could add one day to the main event, I would like them to do a DE + SE mix with SE once you have top 8. You only add 4 Bo3s. I have it in more detail in the format thread but essentially 1 round of WB and 2 rounds of LB then SE. Pure SE is bad it Valve need the ranking of the teams to matter. A mixed way gives a slightly better idea of Top8. I think pure DE would rank teams better than the mix, but SE has more hype, so it's a tradeoff. I think a mixed system where it's DE into SE could be good for sure, keeping the hype, but getting better order of the results. The only issue is if it'd be too confusing for people, which it really shouldn't be, but sometimes super simplicity goes a long way. | ||
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EG will take this easy. | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:38 Moobutt wrote: That background music during Slacks' interviews is starting to grind on me Its way too loud on the headphones. | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:47 Obamarauder wrote: thats shadow not faith bian, they did the same shit in ti6 and manila major I most definitely did not notice. #1 vs #4 team in LD PR, let's go! | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:38 Moobutt wrote: That background music during Slacks' interviews is starting to grind on me It is - but for me - not half as much as Slacks himself! :S | ||
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nojok
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Vanquish the TI curse please. | ||
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Or is there some hidden draft viewing option I'm not aware of | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:53 stuchiu wrote: If Pyrion Flax qualifies as an analyst, I think we all do. Congratulations analysts. it still baffles me that he somehow made it. This guy was basically the original slacks but somehow became a key fixture of every valve event | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:54 bagels21 wrote: it still baffles me that he somehow made it. This guy was basically the original slacks but somehow became a key fixture of every valve event Gibe synderwhen | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:02 Shergal wrote: rhasta sounds good "on paper" like sit at the tower and kill it without worrying about tree but hero is weak af 1-5 and wings have a hard time with laning, also they kinda have two 5s like this Maybe, but SS can farm very efficiently. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:02 Shergal wrote: rhasta sounds good "on paper" like sit at the tower and kill it without worrying about tree but hero is weak af 1-5 and wings have a hard time with laning, also they kinda have two 5s like this Rhasta is the type of support where you win the lane even harder when you are already capable of winning it, but useless in a hard contested lane. They won't have any problems in a lane with jugg + threat of sunstrike. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:22 BrownBear wrote: Nerves going on? Neither team looks particularly crisp and both are making unforced errors. Both of them looked quite suspect in groups, and the additional pressure of Bo3 elimination makes it worse. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:32 smilingjuggernaut wrote: As cool as the Wings players seem and as well as they play from time to time, I'll never forgive them for picking Pudge at TI so I'll always be cheering for them to lose :D Go EG You don't like them for playing fun strats? I thought that was the reason why most people like them? | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:33 FiWiFaKi wrote: You don't like them for playing fun strats? I thought that was the reason why most people like them? That is the reason most people like them. Faith_bian having kind of a rough game, uncharacteristic for him :/ | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:33 FiWiFaKi wrote: You don't like them for playing fun strats? I thought that was the reason why most people like them? Some things are unforgivable :D | ||
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Even though wings isn't that good of a lategame carry, but if there's one extra slot on each hero late game, it kind of makes up for it, and even to exceed it. And Wings doesn't have good lategame, EG looking very good imo. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:34 BrownBear wrote: That is the reason most people like them. Faith_bian having kind of a rough game, uncharacteristic for him :/ Faith bian is missing more spells in a single game those days than during the whole TI. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: I dunno if going for lategame is the play for Wings. Even though wings isn't that good of a lategame carry, but if there's one extra slot on each hero late game, it kind of makes up for it, and even to exceed it. And Wings doesn't have good lategame, EG looking very good imo. Also we just saw Ramzes be effective with Lifestealer well into lategame (against a hyper farmed alch no less). This is really EG's game to throw right now. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: I dunno if going for lategame is the play for Wings. Even though wings isn't that good of a lategame carry, but if there's one extra slot on each hero late game, it kind of makes up for it, and even to exceed it. And Wings doesn't have good lategame, EG looking very good imo. There are only two heroes on EG that benefit from Alch Aghs, and Wings' supports are far superior on the offensive. But EG has a huge window to do whatever they want. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:38 CosmicSpiral wrote: There are only two heroes on EG that benefit from Alch Aghs, and Wings' supports are far superior on the offensive. I think SD + Treant scale way better than SS + WD. LS scales better than Jugg no doubt, Sladar better than Clock, and well Invoker is of course better than Alch, but will that be enough? I don't think so. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:42 Achaian wrote: there's the tree aghs, the vision hell begins for wings It began from minute 0. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:40 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think SD + Treant scale way better than SS + WD. LS scales better than Jugg no doubt, Sladar better than Clock, and well Invoker is of course better than Alch, but will that be enough? I don't think so. LS scaling better than jugg in the late game? Check the BAT... | ||
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Different levels of hell, my friend | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:40 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think SD + Treant scale way better than SS + WD. LS scales better than Jugg no doubt, Sladar better than Clock, and well Invoker is of course better than Alch, but will that be enough? I don't think so. SD scales with Alch illusions and Soul Catcher, but SS has reliable initiation and can take your base with Aghs. Treant is only better than WD on map control. LS versus Jugg is slightly in favor of Jugg IMO if you itemize properly. Slardar is better than Clock yes. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:45 TomatoBisque wrote: this sound quality is so bad Are you watching ingame too? | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:43 nojok wrote: LS scaling better than jugg in the late game? Check the BAT... Check the spells. Omnislash lategame gets worse and worse, while infest is always good. They both have a BKB essentially... Feast and Open Wounds scale nicely, meanwhile fights get shorter and shorter as the game goes further, so healing ward gets worse even though it's percentage based, and well, the crit is kind of an underwhelming ability. Juggernaut peaks at that 20-35 minute mark, LS peaks at 30-45 minutes. Not that it's going to matter this game, EG have way way more farm now. | ||
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P.S.: Both prevailed! WP | ||
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You have no money either. Only gets worse from here. | ||
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But networth on alchemist team is always deceptive. All wings need is a single teamwipe and they will control the game with comeback gold. | ||
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the memes are out of control crazy defense from Wings, gogo! | ||
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somewhere, grant is scratching his head and wondering what that means | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:46 FiWiFaKi wrote: Check the spells. Omnislash lategame gets worse and worse, while infest is always good. They both have a BKB essentially... Feast and Open Wounds scale nicely, meanwhile fights get shorter and shorter as the game goes further, so healing ward gets worse even though it's percentage based, and well, the crit is kind of an underwhelming ability. Juggernaut peaks at that 20-35 minute mark, LS peaks at 30-45 minutes. Not that it's going to matter this game, EG have way way more farm now. Omnislash is invulnerability when you right click. It does more than the what the tool tip says. Wings is out of shape Not a great execution from them. | ||
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6 slot LS with Aegis, all useful Agh's, full Alch... Time is now. | ||
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IF EG wins Boston, this will be the most insane SE bracket run ever. | ||
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that kind of push strat doesn't work anymore unless you're bashing their face in at every tower | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:54 FiWiFaKi wrote: GG 1-0 EG. Just one more. IF EG wins Boston, this will be the most insane SE bracket run ever. If EG wins Boston then i will have to concede that Cr1t will never win a TI. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:55 Shergal wrote: even with that laning phase SS is just garbo that kind of push strat doesn't work anymore unless you're bashing their face in at every tower You do understand that EG were rolling them with invis all game long and the only thing that ever worked for them here was SS? | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:57 Wineandbread wrote: Think Treant or SD will see a first phase ban SD is long overdue to first phase bans once again. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:58 synapse wrote: i feel like faith bian didn't play a great clock this game. Lots of really useless cogs, never found good hook opportunities. If we are straight not a single person played a great game on wings. Maybe it's just Virtus.Plow recipe: pick Naix-Slardar@win dota. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:56 lolfail9001 wrote: You do understand that EG were rolling them with invis all game long and the only thing that ever worked for them here was SS? SS instead of a hero that helps win fights instead it settles them into this "sit at tower" playstyle so it's just free initiations for invis'd slardar bombs and they have no save | ||
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Shadow Demon what a hero | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:59 Shergal wrote: SS instead of a hero that helps win fights instead it settles them into this "sit at tower" playstyle so it's just free initiations for invis'd slardar bombs and they have no save WD pick did not help either. | ||
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Disruption needs a nerf in illusion tankiness so badly. | ||
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but the thing is as was said, wings were really subpar technically, which is generally something that doesn't improve from game1 to game2. they either outdraft eg hard or they're gonna stumble themselves into a 0-2 imo | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:05 babysimba wrote: I find it a joke that disruption is a better spell than wall of replica. Disruption needs a nerf in illusion tankiness so badly. Disruption used to be a good spell then these changes happened 6.86 Increased Disruption icon.png Disruption illusion duration from 5/6/7/8 to 6/8/10/12 6.87 Increased Disruption icon.png Disruption illusion damage dealt from 30%/40%/50%/60% to 30%/45%/60%/75% 6.88 Increased Disruption icon.png Disruption illusion duration from 6/8/10/12 to 8/10/12/14. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:06 Shergal wrote: yeah the 1st phase jugg got fairly dealt with as well but the thing is as was said, wings were really subpar technically, which is generally something that doesn't improve from game1 to game2. they either outdraft eg hard or they're gonna stumble themselves into a 0-2 imo The bright side is that EG did not look sharp either so there is some room to win this bo3. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:11 Zea! wrote: money change people boys That's why EG always kick TI winners. 2 TI winners > 5 TI winners | ||
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I feel like i lost touch with the meta! | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:12 babysimba wrote: That's why EG always kick TI winners. 2 TI winners > 5 TI winners And thats why complexity beat them 0 TI> 2TI winners | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:20 Moobutt wrote: The enigma and chen bans are either too-meta for me or are just blank bans to keep the pool opened up Luna+SD picked for EG and Wings has a lineup with very limited counter push. Both seem like pretty good bans | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:22 Achaian wrote: wings need no armor. I admit I'm puzzled by this pick. Pretty sure lycan hasn't been in the meta for a long time for a reason, and that reason isn't that he has super secret potential EG doesn't have a good way of controlling him besides a Disruption setup. I guess they also want to use Howl to get lane advantage. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:21 Kreb wrote: Huskar would rape here. Doubt theyll pick it though. wow i forgot about this hero | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:27 Zea! wrote: SD was seriously genius pick here with lesh+mirana+clock is pure cancer SD is a genius pick no matter what you have these days :S | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:30 CosmicSpiral wrote: EG watched Wings' games against VP at the Summit, huh... Well, VP themselves said Wings they played against were like the worst team at the Summit. | ||
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There's literally a big red crit on the screen while he says that... | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:33 Shergal wrote: what stands out is the lycan pick but more than that it's the fact that they literally can't offlane against this support duo and if they abandon, they're the best early roamers in the game. I guess SD is just unbeatable this patch. That's what VP said. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:35 babysimba wrote: Wings' advantage got lost as teams figure out this patch's meta. Nobody really knew what the good heroes were at TI. Everyone knew potm, SD and drow were amazing at TI, what are you talking about. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:35 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Lesh+SD the new Kunka+SD? other way around, Kunkka+SD was the new Lesh+SD after lesh got nerfed. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:35 babysimba wrote: Wings' advantage got lost as teams figure out this patch's meta. Nobody really knew what the good heroes were at TI. Not the fact that Wings' early game is mediocre and they rely on good teamfight coordination + decision-making to compensate in the midgame? | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:36 Theoren wrote: other way around, Kunkka+SD was the new Lesh+SD after lesh got nerfed. There was no Lesh+SD when lesh was broken. It was Lesh+his own majesty. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:37 CosmicSpiral wrote: Not the fact that Wings' early game is mediocre and they rely on good teamfight coordination + decision-making to compensate in the midgame? Their early game is shit because they don't pick the good heroes. It's pretty clear by now the dominant strat this patch is to win lanes and snowball off with 5 man. | ||
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Are they casting this or are you talking about the SD thing? On December 08 2016 05:38 Achaian wrote: it will be interesting to see what EG does when VP first bans SD like sane people Or just doesn't give away first pick + side pick two times in a row | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:37 lolfail9001 wrote: There was no Lesh+SD when lesh was broken. It was Lesh+his own majesty. TI2 leshrac existed long before OP disco pony | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:41 Shergal wrote: Are they casting this or are you talking about the SD thing? Or just doesn't give away first pick + side pick two times in a row They were casting at the summit, said as much about SD. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:41 Stancel wrote: TI2 leshrac existed long before OP disco pony We had quite a few iterations of hero with stun + SD, didn't we ? | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:37 lolfail9001 wrote: There was no Lesh+SD when lesh was broken. It was Lesh+his own majesty. Stancel already said it, but lesh+sd was a thing as far back as TI2. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:38 Achaian wrote: it will be interesting to see what EG does when VP first bans SD like sane people I don't think VP will pick Weaver in the first phase. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:40 babysimba wrote: Their early game is shit because they don't pick the good heroes. It's pretty clear by now the dominant strat this patch is to win lanes and snowball off with 5 man. Uhem, it is dominant strat in literally every patch. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:42 lolfail9001 wrote: We had quite a few iterations of hero with stun + SD, didn't we ?good thing i'm just correcting your misconception of lesh being broken during only 6.84 then | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:46 Zea! wrote: Zai and Crit won this game so hard 100% draft loss | ||
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TI is still far and maybe they can regain some will to train hardcore but I'm not even sure the players themselves are willing to do so. I hope they'll keep the same five players for this season. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:44 lolfail9001 wrote: Uhem, it is dominant strat in literally every patch. I think it is a lil more complicated! This is the Wings TI patch afterall. If anything, i think this patch is still far from figured out. Eg switching up drafts and including new Heroes but also switching from 2 sacrificed supports + tripple core to a topheavy dual core + 3 mediocre farmed seems to synergyze so mutch better! | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:47 nojok wrote: Wings is obviously slacking in practice, they're so far below their TI level. Though their playstyle also makes things look worse when it's not working. TI is still far and maybe they can regain some will to train hardcore but I'm not even sure the players themselves are willing to do so. I hope they'll keep the same five players for this season. meh they just had two draft losses they aren't understanding the meta rihgt now - so theres a strategic issue atm. if they can figure that out they are fine | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:48 Comeh wrote: meh they just had two draft losses they aren't understanding the meta rihgt now - so theres a strategic issue atm. if they can figure that out they are fine That i can agree a 100% on! | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:56 bluzi wrote: Where are you going blink ? ................... home unfortunately. Unless EG fuck up on a Fukushima-level of disaster | ||
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daaaaaaamn son | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:56 ShiaoPi wrote: home unfortunately. Unless EG fuck up on a Fukushima-level of disaster I am done xD | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:56 ShiaoPi wrote: home unfortunately. Unless EG fuck up on a Fukushima-level of disaster ? | ||
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This shows you how much single elimination sucks A team like Wings can be out after one series... | ||
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That was the definition of term: OUTPLAYED! | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:58 Shergal wrote: roflmao eg Wings played that so clutch though | ||
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Caster's Curse? Maybe? Someone quickly restart whendidegthrowlast.com >_> | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:59 Aceace wrote: That was not a throw. That was the definition of term: OUTPLAYED! Yeah this The grave, the weaver movement, slardar jump...Wings are fucking awesome | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:02 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Mjöllnir, Deso and Diffusal - R.I.P. Dota1! =) how does that even work together oO | ||
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Chain Lightning works with UAMs, and I don't think Diffusal is a UAM anymore. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:01 babysimba wrote: EG should have ended the game before bkbs were out. I think Wings can actually take this game nah lategame luna sd would be shocking rly | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:07 babysimba wrote: Alright no hope. Fuck SD It was dd luna, actually. | ||
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It was dd luna, actually. that was purged by weaver's diffusal almost immediately | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Wings just gave up lol not even committing for the raxes Once Blink popped ulti prematurely, it was over. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:09 Achaian wrote: EG never loses to chinese teams twice, western teams on the other hand... 2014 Vici Gaming protest your stupid statement. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:09 babysimba wrote: Whatever. EG won't win VP when SD gets banned xD I'll tell you more: EG will ban SD themselves. | ||
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Disappointing performance from wings but expected nonetheless. I hope they'll try their best to come back. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:10 Stancel wrote: good god now i actually have to try in pubs because everyone will start picking sd luna again New patch soon | ||
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Not sure where that puts EG in terms of ability, since most people here seem to be pooping on Wings instead of giving EG praise. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:10 Stancel wrote: good god now i actually have to try in pubs because everyone will start picking sd luna again Dont worry Monkey Cancer will replace SD Luna | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:10 stuchiu wrote: Cap knows Pyrion is a fraud. He says it jokingly, but we all know that's what he was thinking on the inside as well. | ||
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EG EG EG EG EG EG EG EG EG EG EG EG EG! Wings go first to worst! | ||
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I mean... This is sooo different then infamous R[A]T at TI 3. This is stupid. Really. 5 man. Stay out of vision range. Send some illusions... Pff.. When you watch rat at least you will see some clever rotations, clever split pushes etc.. | ||
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was it good? | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:11 GumBa wrote: Dont worry Monkey Cancer will replace SD Luna Monkey cancer +SD? spreading galore | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:12 Aceace wrote: God i really hate (Manta or SD. Doesn't matter) illusion spam to get some chip damage on towers. Game gets extremely boring. I mean... This is sooo different then infamous R[A]T at TI 3. This is stupid. Really. 5 man. Stay out of vision range. Send some illusions... Pff.. When you watch rat at least you will see some clever rotations, clever split pushes etc.. Are you blaming teams for choosing the safest possible route to victory? Wings' wave clear was garbage anyway. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote: 2014 Vici Gaming protest your stupid statement. TI4 and ESL New York, fine. Otherwise it's a rare occurence. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:15 Achaian wrote: TI4 and ESL New York, fine. Otherwise it's a rare occurence. And The Summit 2. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:14 lolfail9001 wrote: SD with second highest damage in the game. SD-Luna is cancer, indeed. Every popular hero in this patch is cancer. What else would you expect of a meta where Vp would be considered a #1 team, lol. | ||
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They lost to c9 at that tourney | ||
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Oh, freaking hell, confused them for Secret there. Well, a double stands. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:18 MistraL958 wrote: This host is doing really great job Yeah the panel also does a good job. | ||
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Is this the end of Wings reign? | ||
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But it is SD + Luna, that is kinda expected. But universe as a kinda position 4 clockwerk with 17k damage - now that is a number i scatch my head on!!! +I say that his 2 hook in the last fight where literally the nail in the coughin making any play of Wings close to impossible! | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:12 Aceace wrote: God i really hate (Manta or SD. Doesn't matter) illusion spam to get some chip damage on towers. Game gets extremely boring. I mean... This is sooo different then infamous R[A]T at TI 3. This is stupid. Really. 5 man. Stay out of vision range. Send some illusions... Pff.. When you watch rat at least you will see some clever rotations, clever split pushes etc.. Illusions bring some interesting mechanics but it quickly becomes obnoxious. Old PL, naga, nagalche, spectre, TB are all fucking disgusting to play with or against when their top tier material. SD is a bit less cancerous but shares a lot of similarity with those heroes. Strong illusions are just not very fun imo. It was also the case with the mass necro meta. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:19 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Analyst point out 15k SS damage - its impressive, dont get me wrong. But it is SD + Luna, that is kinda expected. But universe as a kinda position 4 clockwerk with 17k damage - now that is a number i scatch my head on!!! blademail is good | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:18 MistraL958 wrote: This host is doing really great job Machine's become a real professional over the last year, and it shows. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:20 trinxified wrote: wings no wave clear, no illusion clear, no anti-push. blame cancer picks anyway. Well all the wings/china fan boys can't admit that Wings lost this game due to their own awful drafting and play, so gotta blame the cancer. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:21 babysimba wrote: lol giving praise to Universe when he has an easy job while luna and illusions are wrecking shit... Right-clicking a building isn't the most difficult thing in DotA either. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote: Well all the wings/china fan boys can't admit that Wings lost this game due to their own awful drafting and play, so gotta blame the cancer. I mean, Wings brought this cancer into meta in the first place, so it is still cancer even if it was Execration and not Wings playing. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:21 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, Wings brought this cancer into meta in the first place, so it is still cancer even if it was Execration and not Wings playing. Yeah its pretty funny that Wings prepared so poorly for this, basically started this, but the fan boys are just blaming the cancer and taking all the blame from their bad drafting and the credit from EG's good play. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote: Well all the wings/china fan boys can't admit that Wings lost this game due to their own awful drafting and play, so gotta blame the cancer. Why do you have to be a prick? I saw no one saying wings played better than EG and I don't think anyone is blaming EG for picking strong heroes. | ||
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Lil: Uh, next question please. Everyone: so? Lil: Oh damn, yes it is. RIP Weaver Aghanim's | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:23 Voronoff wrote: WTF is this curse they keep talking about? EG got 3rd at the two majors after TI 5 But then we got Aui EG. Wings were the swiftest victim yet, however. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:24 lolfail9001 wrote: But then we got Aui EG. Wings were the swiftest victim yet, however. I think calling it the TI curse is kinda silly since we've only had 2 TI championships that were followed by majors. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:23 nojok wrote: Why do you have to be a prick? I saw no one saying wings played better than EG and I don't think anyone is blaming EG for picking strong heroes. On December 08 2016 06:21 babysimba wrote: lol giving praise to Universe when he has an easy job while luna and illusions are wrecking shit... that sure looks like taking credit away from EG. And blaming cancer for the loss when Wings knew it was coming and didn't prepare for it all is defintly shifting blame away from wings and credit away from EG. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:24 lolfail9001 wrote: But then we got Aui EG. Wings were the swiftest victim yet, however. That's really stupid. The TI curse is that it's hard to consistently stay on the top of the scene for all the tournaments over an extended period of time? Ok. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:27 Voronoff wrote: That's really stupid. The TI curse is that it's hard to consistently stay on the top of the scene for all the tournaments over an extended period of time? Ok. Understandably, no? Patch changes and everyone tries to figure you out. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:27 Voronoff wrote: That's really stupid. The TI curse is that it's hard to consistently stay on the top of the scene for all the tournaments over an extended period of time? Ok. The actual TI curse is that no team wins TI twice. Ppd's tweet twisted it's meaning to mean what you have just described. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:28 lolfail9001 wrote: The actual TI curse is that no team wins TI twice. Ppd's tweet twisted it's meaning to mean what you have just described. It's weird to think EE will only win one TI if you put it that way. | ||
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Didn't pick gayshit and lost: team played bad. Didn't pick gayshit and won: never ever happened. The net result: viewers watch gayshit every game. Welcome to the League. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:26 Jaaaaasper wrote: that sure looks like taking credit away from EG. And blaming cancer for the loss when Wings knew it was coming and didn't prepare for it all is defintly shifting blame away from wings and credit away from EG. What credit are you talking about? That portion of analysis was stupid and totally meaningless. If they want to credit EG's win, they should be focusing on EG's early game when SD and lesh were wrecking shit everywhere. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:33 pellejohnson wrote: Pathetic showing from Wings. This + Summit might mean roster changes I've heard that CNY's around the time most CN teams will do their roster changes. Guess we'll wait and see what happens then. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:23 Voronoff wrote: WTF is this curse they keep talking about? EG got 3rd at the two majors after TI 5 They won 1 lan in a whole year after the TI win... before roster changes, not a bad team, but they were visibly worse after their TI peak, as all other TI winners bar Navi | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:32 trinxified wrote: was there an opening ceremony? yes, but you did not miss much. They just went with previous major winners in a short video and then VP and iG.V walked on stage | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:37 babysimba wrote: The next patch is going to change things so much that roster changes are going to be meaningless. Yea CNY sounds like a good time for roster changes too after they figure out what is good for the patch I think that's more for legacy reasons than because of DotA patching though. According to a buddy of mine, they've always kinda done it that way. But yeah, as long as it works for them. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:38 sprew980 wrote: Why have teams stopped picking Viper? Too one-dimensional. | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:38 sprew980 wrote: Why have teams stopped picking Viper? Because, in PPD's immortal summary of the hero, "viper doesn't do anything" He wins his lane, some of the time. And then he... kites? but there are already so many other heros that kite well | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:39 Achaian wrote: Because, in PPD's immortal summary of the hero, "viper doesn't do anything" He wins his lane, some of the time. And then he... kites? but there are already so many other heros that kite well Was that made in recent patches or has that kinda been the case for quite some time? | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:37 ShiaoPi wrote: yes, but you did not miss much. They just went with previous major winners in a short video and then VP and iG.V walked on stage ah thanks! | ||
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On December 08 2016 06:40 IntoTheheart wrote: Was that made in recent patches or has that kinda been the case for quite some time? always has been like that. Even before the rework when he still had frenzy as a skill back in dota 1. But back then he was more hard hitting carry and less tanky motherfucker since he did not have the passive with additional magic resistance | ||
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TomatoBisque
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On December 08 2016 06:40 IntoTheheart wrote: Was that made in recent patches or has that kinda been the case for quite some time? Viper has always been that kind of hero, it just became more of a problem in recent times because you can't snowball from a won lane as hard | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I know nothing about Warriors, can they beat Zfreek+4? honestly cancel is a solid/good player. Moo is getting back into his groove as a core but he has a lot of potential and Swindle actually plays a decent 5/6 position support. | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:40 IntoTheheart wrote: Was that made in recent patches or has that kinda been the case for quite some time? IIRC he said that on stream at least two years ago. I would imagine it's been like that since as long as dota 2 had more than 90 heros in CM | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I know nothing about Warriors, can they beat Zfreek+4? They looked awful in the group matches, I remember that. Only faceless looked worse | ||
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Nyan
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OD+Fogged probably | ||
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nojok
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On December 08 2016 06:44 Nevuk wrote: They looked awful in the group matches, I remember that. Only faceless looked worse Better than LGD.fy at least and they were far from awful agaisnt wings given they took a series from them. I've not watched too much from the group stage but I think you're exagerating a bit. | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 06:51 Nevuk wrote: Wait, 10% of monkey's picks were TB? Do you think this number is too high or too low? | ||
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Nevuk
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On December 08 2016 06:53 IntoTheheart wrote: Do you think this number is too high or too low? TB is an offlane hero now? On December 08 2016 06:52 nojok wrote: Better than LGD.fy at least and they were far from awful agaisnt wings given they took a series from them. I've not watched too much from the group stage but I think you're exagerating a bit. I missed the FY games aside from a few minutes, tbh... and wings has been pretty mediocre recently (I'll admit I didn't see that series, but their other one of theirs I saw they looked helpless). | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Moo is so groovy he just can't stop dancing even while sitting down | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 07:03 Ange777 wrote: Can someone give Moo a lesson on how to sit calmly? Make Slacks do it. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
I'm guessing this is a cancel mirana, but monkeys can play SB as well | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:14 CosmicSpiral wrote: Are you blaming teams for choosing the safest possible route to victory? Wings' wave clear was garbage anyway. I'm not blaming teams. LOL!!! This is not fun to watch at all. 1 team risks literally nothing, other team losing slowly... I am just talking about viewer perspective. I just hate this illusion spam! And we have a SD again.. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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On December 08 2016 07:12 IntoTheheart wrote: I feel like since I enjoy playing PL I'm not allowed to complain about illusions. PL is a fighting illusion hero so its not that bad | ||
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bagels21
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On December 08 2016 07:17 Nevuk wrote: Zfreek lesh, that's new well zfreek basically admitted that they run lesh because they liked torturer in HON | ||
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Nevuk
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On December 08 2016 07:18 bagels21 wrote: well zfreek basically admitted that they run lesh because they liked torturer in HON Yeah, but usually it's swindle playing it | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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That 4 man gank on timber and still it takes 10 seconds to kill him lol | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On December 08 2016 07:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: col doing well in lanes so far. Warriors getting good cs on the cores though That 4 man gank on timber and still it takes 10 seconds to kill him lol Armour is good, boys. | ||
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stuchiu
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 07:26 stuchiu wrote: I'm not falling for a SEA dota team. I've been down this path before. And yet something compels you to go. | ||
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nojok
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On December 08 2016 07:28 Nyan wrote: mirana playing with the pay2lose arrow The "sacred" arrow  I think it's an easter egg. | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
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Given the meta we have seen - this is an insanily good draft by WG imo. Once out of the lane wthout loosing considerably, it is strong in various aspects through all parts of the game .... | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 08 2016 07:33 MintberryCrunchs wrote: So WG just have to turtle it out here?! "Turtle" you say? | ||
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Papercappu
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On December 08 2016 07:36 babysimba wrote: Superior 5 man lineup. Easy sieging with SD. Can a SEA team even throw this only a SEA team can throw this | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On December 08 2016 07:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: what happened to col teamfight prowess? They look like they have no idea how or what to engage its a hero pick / hero timing issue here | ||
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stuchiu
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Turtle and SEA you say? | ||
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stuchiu
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On December 08 2016 07:37 Papercappu wrote: i think col is dead only a SEA team can throw this I won't have you tarnish EE like this | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On December 08 2016 07:36 babysimba wrote: Superior 5 man lineup. Easy sieging with SD. Can a SEA team even throw this Yes. But the "3.5 Protect 1.5" draft is really good. | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
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Guess i couldnt have been more wrong with that! =) But to be fair, the minute i wrote it, it wasnt looking like they would push and punish so hard. What i wanted to point out with my post was that even if this game would be slow, their draft was supirior in any way! P.S.: This wasnt the first time CoL was stomped in the first game was it?! | ||
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babysimba
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This patch has really gotten really awful. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On December 08 2016 07:45 Jaaaaasper wrote: Man col just couldn't kill people. They didn't have a problem with the luna/sd, it was the omni/kunkka rum/ SD and the pipe just couldn't kill anyone. Spirit Breaker turned out a terrible pick in retrospect. He was useless once WG grouped up for the 5 man. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On December 08 2016 07:44 babysimba wrote: This is why offlane omni is OP. Super strong 5 man timing This patch has really gotten really awful. drow lineups were already awful | ||
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Jaaaaasper
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On December 08 2016 07:46 CosmicSpiral wrote: Spirit Breaker turned out a terrible pick in retrospect. He was useless once WG grouped up for the 5 man. Yeah they picked a pick off line up against a pure 5 man deathball lineup | ||
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babysimba
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I hope. | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 07:57 babysimba wrote: I think we won't see SD for the rest of the major. I hope. First-ban or just counterpick it? Might be the new Lesh TI5. | ||
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stuchiu
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On December 08 2016 07:57 babysimba wrote: I think we won't see SD for the rest of the major. I hope. You know what they say about hopes and shit | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On December 08 2016 07:59 IntoTheheart wrote: First-ban or just counterpick it? Might be the new Lesh TI5. Most of the counterpicks aren't popular right now. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On December 08 2016 07:56 misirlou wrote: Wow where's the crowd where's the stadium, step down from Frankfurt Frankfurt was wasn't that full the first days, as well. The place isn't that empty. | ||
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Logo
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On December 08 2016 08:00 Taf the Ghost wrote: Frankfurt was wasn't that full the first days, as well. The place isn't that empty. The crowd is smaller than it was for EG/Wings as well. I think people skipped out for dinner so they could catch both Eg/wings and MVP/OG. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:01 IntoTheheart wrote: Winter unleashed. One day he'll go off and point at every player and analyst panel "You're trash, you're trash, you're garbage, gutter trash, the juice that leaks from trash, you're good (Merlini), you're fucking burnable trash and I'm outta here." | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:03 IntoTheheart wrote: Imagine if he said: "you're only good in context. You're still trash." Then Winter will have gone full anime antagonist and Officer Merlini would have to put him down. | ||
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stuchiu
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On December 08 2016 08:03 IntoTheheart wrote: Imagine if he said: "you're only good in context. You're still trash." Ends the speech with,"No wonder Kuroky wants to be a garbage man after being surrounded by you fools for years." | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
LAST PICK LEGION COMMANDER. LET'S GO BOOOOOOOIS! | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3236 Posts
On December 08 2016 08:02 Logo wrote: The crowd is smaller than it was for EG/Wings as well. I think people skipped out for dinner so they could catch both Eg/wings and MVP/OG. I didn't see any crowd when they were showing the players so I was disappointed they went for a theater instead of a stadium, they showed the crowd like 2 secs after my post and they're definitely there for a Wednesday but still they feel pretty invisible imo | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On December 08 2016 08:02 Logo wrote: The crowd is smaller than it was for EG/Wings as well. I think people skipped out for dinner so they could catch both Eg/wings and MVP/OG. If I was there... I'd have done that as well! | ||
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intotheheart
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Poll: Does WinteR's wife call him trash? Yes (10) No (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Does WinteR's wife call him trash? | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
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Machine handled that pretty well though! | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 08:10 MintberryCrunchs wrote: @IntoTheheart - you made my day! Machine handled that pretty well though! Haha glad you're having fun! | ||
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Kipsate
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does that mean WG lose | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 08:08 IntoTheheart wrote: WinteR now saying sugar's only for his waifu. Poll: Does WinteR's wife call him trash? Yes (10) No (0) 10 total votes Your vote: Does WinteR's wife call him trash? Keep voting! PLEASE put this poll in the LR thread's front page. #MakeLRGreatAgain On December 08 2016 08:13 Kipsate wrote: LC picked does that mean WG lose Yep. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:15 babysimba wrote: At least this performance by WG justifies the SEA region I thought TI justified the SEA region | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
SEA DotA justifies the SEA region. | ||
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babysimba
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On December 08 2016 08:15 Kipsate wrote: I thought jug vs timber was actually a decent matchup Only in the sidelanes where jugg has a level advantage with some help of his supports I believe | ||
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intotheheart
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It's probably gonna end the game at like... 24. | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
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I for one feel like CoL is in this because of their succes in ganks and i think they rely on doing it all over again.7 TL:DR: I think WG can "Turtle" it out again. P.S.: Whenever i write something, shit gets down on stream ... | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 08:20 MintberryCrunchs wrote: So how you guys like each teams chances if the game draws out?! I for one feel like CoL is in this because of their succes in ganks and i think they rely on doing it all over again.7 TL:DR: I think WG can "Turtle" it out again. Don't Jugg and Naix scale pretty well into the lategame though? | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On December 08 2016 08:21 IntoTheheart wrote: Don't Jugg and Naix scale pretty well into the lategame though? Ultra-late the Timbersaw is probably unkillable. But getting there is a big issue. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:18 IntoTheheart wrote: Duel d a m a g e = 10 fam. It's probably gonna end the game at like... 24. 10-10=0 again? | ||
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intotheheart
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I mean... LCs I find in pro games tend to not maintain a ton of duel damage. Always felt like a control hero more than a beating one. If only pub LCs would do the same. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 08 2016 08:22 Taf the Ghost wrote: Ultra-late the Timbersaw is probably unkillable. But getting there is a big issue. the issue is that CoL will have 4 cores with a treant | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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report pls | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
Depending on the Legions progression though... | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 08:24 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Lategame, i would argue that Legion,Luna and Timber > Sanking, Jugger and Lifestealer. Depending on the Legions progression though... That is a huge condition though, since doesn't Legion need both items and duel stacks to do her thing? | ||
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babysimba
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You are supposed to draft heroes like skywrath to help you kill stuff. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:26 CosmicSpiral wrote: That was really unnecessary from the LC. SEA HAS TO SEA | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:28 MintberryCrunchs wrote: Guys the real funny thing here is im scratching my head about how many years did it took the Dota World to realize what a fucking op skill natures guise is?!? uh Goblak and PPD have been doing that shit for years | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On December 08 2016 08:25 babysimba wrote: Pro teams don't even draft around LC as a snowballing hero or they are unwilling to do so due to draft being too all-inish. You are supposed to draft heroes like skywrath to help you kill stuff. Yeah LC is more of a utility offlaner with a strong laning presence. | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 08:29 Kipsate wrote: uh Goblak and PPD have been doing that shit for years Goblak is CIS doto though... | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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pls explain how this is a meaningful comment | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:28 Veles wrote: lmao cols gonna get 2-0d | ||
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Achaian
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Death has a timer but duel damage lasts forever | ||
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babysimba
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SEA > NA | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:29 Kipsate wrote: uh Goblak and PPD have been doing that shit for years No denying that! On the other Hand, i cant remember any caster introducing a treant as the Hero that has this awesome skill that is arguably one of the most incredible invis spell in the game! And for me, i think the way utilize and play around it has changed a lot. Kinda like the time people suddenly realized PotM's ulti is actually a very good skill years ago ... | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:32 IntoTheheart wrote: Well they seem to like really aggressive drafts and playstyle, I kinda thought him taking something like LC would be a given. they were talking about treant? | ||
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babysimba
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This hero is actually so OP. | ||
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intotheheart
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Oh shit seriously? I thought it was LC. My bad! | ||
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sometimes sea gets it right | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:33 MintberryCrunchs wrote: No denying that! On the other Hand, i cant remember any caster introducing a treant as the Hero that has this awesome skill that is arguably one of the most incredible invis spell in the game! And for me, i think the way utilize and play around it has changed a lot. Kinda like the time people suddenly realized PotM's ulti is actually a very good skill years ago ... Moonlight shadow got buffed many patches in a row, it was not good before. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:36 Achaian wrote: this LC is constantly dead, but every time she dies it's after a duel win. Eventually that LC is going to be a big problem for coL. How reliant is LC on damage compared with NW though? :O | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:37 nojok wrote: Moonlight shadow got buffed many patches in a row, it was not good before. it had a retarded mana cost. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:37 IntoTheheart wrote: How reliant is LC on damage compared with NW though? :O hard to say since the cameraman never clicks on LC. Moo casually dying offscreen | ||
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it was also useless when it lasted 7/9/11 seconds | ||
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Timber and SD firstban material now?!? | ||
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GGWP to WG.Unity! | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 08:40 stuchiu wrote: On the other hand glorious SEA Now you know you can love SEA. | ||
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babysimba
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But Faceless easily look the worse team in Boston =( | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:39 Veles wrote: eg lost to this; single elim is dumb Dunno it seemed like coL had their number/strats figured out. You don't lose two BoXs as a coincidence, they probably scrimmed together a lot. Unfortunately this wasn't a surprise at all, I'm feeling WG.U top 4 at least. If anyone watched the SEA Quali these guys are amazing. I'm becoming a fangay. | ||
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nojok
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On December 08 2016 08:39 Veles wrote: eg lost to this; single elim is dumb Maybe they're practice partners, it changes the matches quite a bit and softens the skill difference. Maybe it was just the randomness of sport, almost no match is won before the start at this level. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:42 Slardar wrote: Dunno it seemed like coL had their number/strats figured out. You don't lose two BoXs as a coincidence, they probably scrimmed together a lot. Unfortunately this wasn't a surprise at all, I'm feeling WG.U top 4 at least. If anyone watched the SEA Quali these guys are amazing. I'm becoming a fangay. did they have close games in groups? I just looked at their overall 2-5 vs wings/dc | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:43 Taf the Ghost wrote: Complexity still seems to get out-farmed in the mid-game. Not quite sure why there. Moo was playing radiance LS without the radiance. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:43 Veles wrote: did they have close games in groups? I just looked at their overall 2-5 vs wings/dc They had the best series of the group stages by far in the 2-1 victory over Wings. Then they kind of went south after that for some reason. These guys are hot or cold, once they get on fire it's great dota to watch. | ||
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Now they also manage to have 2 very well rounded and strong drafts in both games. In some ways, this was easy for them (thus the impressive 2 - 0) in that with both drafts, they could feel very comfortable once it was clear CoL wouldnt snowball out of the lanes. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:45 maze. wrote: Moo was playing radiance LS without the radiance. They should just draft him timber every game. | ||
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intotheheart
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On December 08 2016 08:53 Warfie wrote: well then.. will MVP play crazy? Hopefully. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:45 Veles wrote: both games WG dual offlane got so much, the omni/lc were super impactful both games The mid lane was huge both games.The offlane makes sense because wg put resources into it with good dual lanes while col did not. Cancel was so far behind in a pure 1v1 and it cost them so much in both mid games. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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KOREA HWAITING | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:54 Logo wrote: The mid lane was huge both games.The offlane makes sense because wg put resources into it with good dual lanes while col did not. Cancel was so far behind in a pure 1v1 and it cost them so much in both mid games. Yea the real intention of the dual lane is to draw attention and gives timber a pure 1v1 advantageous matchup. | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:49 Thetwinmasters wrote: Time for the sub 20% winrate direct invite team to show off their sick skills MVP games are always fun to watch. Even though they sadly sucked during group play. :/ The OG segment was funny. Nice of them to do something different. ^^ | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:39 Veles wrote: eg lost to this; single elim is dumb do you really want to see col play again? | ||
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On December 08 2016 08:58 Logo wrote: Col has made this an awkwardly long break. You could also pin it on WGU for being so dominant. | ||
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LD+Fogged it is now? | ||
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Expand vocabulary one word at a time. | ||
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On December 08 2016 09:07 ChickenDieAlive wrote: What was EG doing while playing against CoL? tilting... I think the problem this EG team showed yesterday was getting very flat when challenged by a team that they felt they should beat easily. You could tell all of the games after the first one that they were a having a hard time swallowing the fact that they couldnt just play like "whatever" and beat Col easily. Thats something they will have to look at longer term. Wings looked a bit weak this tournament also but EG when against top tier opposition look alot more solid. Its games against supposedly weaker opponents getting hard that they dont seem to enjoy. | ||
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On December 08 2016 09:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Why is the roof on fire in the background of the intros Watching too many Nelly videos in their spare time. | ||
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On December 08 2016 09:18 stuchiu wrote: Who is slacks interviewing? Febby What an awesome interview | ||
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On December 08 2016 09:39 DucK- wrote: Quick summary of all 6 games please, thanks! SD | ||
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On December 08 2016 09:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What do the bars even mean? They are just visualizations of the data. | ||
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SD+ LUNA even when luna is on the other team. | ||
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On December 08 2016 09:49 GumBa wrote: Cool a Ember! Oh cool didn't know you watch Dotka. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: The ember pick was so smart. MVP just can't deal with him Ana took care of that problem. | ||
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Ana the hero of SEA once again | ||
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SD continues to be balanced | ||
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It's such a dps sacrifice while they need to kill stuff fast | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:21 TomatoBisque wrote: this game is over SD continues to be balanced Maybe people should start drafting Enchantress/Pugna/Lion/all the relevant counters. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:25 Daray wrote: Illusions are better than heroes Yeah this is pretty disgusting. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:23 CosmicSpiral wrote: Maybe people should start drafting Enchantress/Pugna/Lion/all the relevant counters. these heroes only destroy one illusion until you get agh's on pugna or you spend hex cd on an illusion and Disruption still doubles as a banish effect, not to mention the rest of SD's spells | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:23 CosmicSpiral wrote: Maybe people should start drafting Enchantress/Pugna/Lion/all the relevant counters. Adapt? NEVER | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:29 Daray wrote: Looks disgusting but no bans or counters were picked so not gonna complain too much How does that even happen? OG are good at drafting, but it's not like SD/Luna is unexpected. | ||
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Warfie
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On December 08 2016 10:31 Wintex wrote: OG plays worse but picks better heroes. Ge ge idk, pretty decent execution for the latter half | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:31 Nevuk wrote: How does that even happen? OG are good at drafting, but it's not like SD/Luna is unexpected. You always think you're special enough to not lose to dumb shit. Then you do. | ||
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Wintex
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On December 08 2016 10:32 Warfie wrote: idk, pretty decent execution for the latter half Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in. | ||
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also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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For all I know kill Dragon Lance too. | ||
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Wintex
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On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote: shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta exactly, you pick it first or ban it. When you get to the position you need, i don't really think a loss is possible bar crazy throws. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote: Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in. its just your bias.MVP's draft are as easy to execute.its just another lame push strats.you even claimed OG played worse lol | ||
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Wintex
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On December 08 2016 10:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Lets honestly hope Slardar, Luna, SD, Ogre, Drow and Alchemist will be removed with a next patch. nevermind slardar will give the enemy team +5000 armor. SD will give the enemy carry movement speed and illusions will take 10k extra damage and not receive miss chance ogre will have 5 int base with 1 int per 5 levels, and bloodlust will buff the enemy carry as well drow ranger will deal less damage the further she is from her team, ulti bonus alchemist will empty his account if he dies once. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:36 Papercappu wrote: its just your bias.MVP's draft are as easy to execute.its just another lame push strats.you even claimed OG played worse lol Okay dude, it's extremely difficult to split push versus a team weak to split push and shadown demon luna does not have unkillable illusions. You can stay years away and still make progress. They made more mistakes but had a commanding draft, which helped them quite a lot. MVP knows they have the weakness outside of their timing. Know urself. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote: shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. Shadow Demon empowers any core who builds auras or stat items. Shit, we've seen base sieges with Lifestealer just to exploit the -armor. People pick this hero because it gives you a way to siege buildings without pigeonholing your hero pool or committing to an uncomfortable position. You can ban him or wait for Icefrog to nerf him into irrelevance (which is the only way he'll fall out of favor at the pro level). Then pros will just move onto the next set of heroes that allow them to do the same thing until the basic mechanics of the game are changed. People will complain about any dominant strategy, whether it's Spin2Win meta or flash-farming mids. | ||
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Emnjay808
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Wings lost to a team that lost twice to CoL. CoL > Wings confirmed. | ||
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Nevuk
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On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote: shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta also I still think MVP sucks. I still think Forev and QO are strong players, Forev probably the best offlaner in the world (i'm not even joking, I'm ready to get flamed for this praise) but i don't really think I feel as good about anyone else. I think it's absurd that his illusions of illusions become full strength. That said, he wasn't OP until his illusion's damage and duration got buffed to hell and back. On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote: Yeah but ease of execution was like 99/1 in favor of OG when the butterfly came in. Skill at drafting is part of the game. The Ember spirit pick was a good one. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On December 08 2016 10:42 Emnjay808 wrote: Lol just got home. Wings lost to a team that lost twice to CoL. CoL > Wings confirmed. Gayshit meta. The only real winners are those who refuse to play it. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:42 Nevuk wrote: I think it's absurd that his illusions of illusions become full strength. That said, he wasn't OP until his illusion's damage and duration got buffed to hell and back. On December 08 2016 10:32 Wintex wrote: Skill at drafting is part of the game. The Ember spirit pick was a good one. Yes, and I agree. It's just a shame that some games become inevitabilities than a chance game. | ||
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TomatoBisque
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On December 08 2016 10:42 Nevuk wrote: I think it's absurd that his illusions of illusions become full strength. That said, he wasn't OP until his illusion's damage and duration got buffed to hell and back. I'm not even sure if the problem is that his illusions are so strong (although they are nearly phantasm level), but that in combination with their uptime being so high that you can stand in a safe place and have them go push lanes or hit buildings with no fear | ||
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Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:45 TomatoBisque wrote: I'm not even sure if the problem is that his illusions are so strong (although they are nearly phantasm level), but that in combination with their uptime being so high that you can stand in a safe place and have them go push lanes or hit buildings with no fear Yeah, it's a bit like seeing old Phantom Lancer's ghost return to DotA 2. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:39 Wintex wrote: Okay dude, it's extremely difficult to split push versus a team weak to split push and shadown demon luna does not have unkillable illusions. You can stay years away and still make progress. They made more mistakes but had a commanding draft, which helped them quite a lot. MVP knows they have the weakness outside of their timing. Know urself. but that doesnt proves that OG played worse than MVP. also MVP made more mistakes,not even mistakes just straight up got outplayed & outfarmed.pretty sure that jugg was at the same level as that support slardar the whole game | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On December 08 2016 10:41 CosmicSpiral wrote: Shadow Demon empowers any core who builds auras or stat items. Shit, we've seen base sieges with Lifestealer just to exploit the -armor. People pick this hero because it gives you a way to siege buildings without pigeonholing your hero pool or committing to an uncomfortable position. You can ban him or wait for Icefrog to nerf him into irrelevance (which is the only way he'll fall out of favor at the pro level). Then pros will just move onto the next set of heroes that allow them to do the same thing until the basic mechanics of the game are changed. MVP deserved to lose that game and even though Shadow demon is bullshit, it's not as if I thought MVP played better. I don't actually have an issue with this meta even though there's some items for god forbid whatever was going through frogman's head to add a stat efficient item that for whatever the fuck reason increases your auto range. this meta is fine, i like it. I could bitch about shadow demon being retarded but I like the way this meta forces teams to play honestly. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Just make buildings immune to illusion damage or just make illusions doesnt do damage at all like in warcraft 3 | ||
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Wintex
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On December 08 2016 10:46 Papercappu wrote: but that doesnt proves that OG played worse than MVP. also MVP made more mistakes,not even mistakes just straight up got outplayed & outfarmed.pretty sure that jugg was at the same level as that support slardar the whole game They literally fed 4 heroes, had jerax save their rax by killing most of the wave, held an alright base defense that was even, then they sent two illusions to the next rosh fight and had S4 cast 1 vacuum and won the fight and the game quite literally there. Placing a remnant, sleight of fisting one wave and remnanting back every so often is NOT anything special. It did exactly what they needed, but the bigger fight mistakes came from OG. | ||
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nojok
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On December 08 2016 10:34 Kuroeeah wrote: shadow demon empowers almost every tier 1 carry in the game right now such as drow or luna. i can't actually fathom how you could defend this hero right now counter or not. you go out of your way to pick a pugna which has zero impact outside of pushing towers and a enchantress who either wins off her roams or doesn't? it's not even a good answer to how good shadow demon is right now because of the meta The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:47 Nyan wrote: fuck every team which ignores SD. not picking not banning not countering. fuck you to all of them This is Dota 2, not Sd and Friends ffs. If icefrog had balls, he'd literally make this hero unplayable as a sup. Want gayshit? Pick him as a core and face the risk. | ||
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Nevuk
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On December 08 2016 10:47 Papercappu wrote: or just make illusions doesnt do damage at all like in warcraft 3 I would miss dark seer's ult if that happens. Also lol : naga/sd first bans by MVP | ||
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FiWiFaKi
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On December 08 2016 10:50 DucK- wrote: SD illusions should also not be at full strength when used on an illu I think this one change would fix everything. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:47 Kuroeeah wrote: MVP deserved to lose that game and even though Shadow demon is bullshit, it's not as if I thought MVP played better. I don't actually have an issue with this meta even though there's some items for god forbid whatever was going through frogman's head to add a stat efficient item that for whatever the fuck reason increases your auto range. this meta is fine, i like it. I could bitch about shadow demon being retarded but I like the way this meta forces teams to play honestly. The game has loads of weird shit added to it and random buffs keep happening creating flavor of the months that can be traced with 5 patches in a row of buffs. IceFrog is either on some shit or lost his way. If raindrops got removed adn all the random movement and range shit got nerfed, i think the game would feel more cool again. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:50 nojok wrote: The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed. Pro players are humans, and humans are animals of habit. He was just forgotten. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:50 nojok wrote: The thing is SD was already very good in 6.87 but forgotten for whatever reason then they buffed his illusions even more in 6.88. The real mystery is how he was so underpicked when naix was rampant, invoker played a lot and drow all the rage. Afterall it took months for drow to reach her first pick/ban status. The buff on SD was not needed. Trend-setting. People won't play a hero unless someone else proves it's good. That's how we get all these power creep issues in the first place. | ||
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Nyan
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On December 08 2016 10:51 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think this one change would fix everything. illusions not having hero passives fixes a lot. sd illusions never used to do 75% dmg and last a year | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:53 Wintex wrote: Pro players are humans, and humans are animals of habit. He was just forgotten. It is also a case of what you are good at. Say you are OG and practice a strat for 2 months and are great at it. Then some team tries out their new drow strat and gets stomped 5 times in a row figuring out timings, items and so on. That strat looks bad to OG and they have no reason to start doing it. Then when a team finally gets it working against the most popular strats it takes a week or two to train it before you can use it at a level where it goes even and then improve from there. | ||
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On December 08 2016 10:54 Nyan wrote: illusions not having hero passives fixes a lot. sd illusions never used to do 75% dmg and last a year You mean back when the hero was considered terrible. | ||
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Wintex
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On December 08 2016 10:55 Yurie wrote: It is also a case of what you are good at. Say you are OG and practice a strat for 2 months and are great at it. Then some team tries out their new drow strat and gets stomped 5 times in a row figuring out timings, items and so on. That strat looks bad to OG and they have no reason to start doing it. Then when a team finally gets it working against the most popular strats it takes a week or two to train it before you can use it at a level where it goes even and then improve from there. sure, also true | ||
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nojok
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Damn, wings lost to the offlane SK/enchant from na'vi one day and won with it the next day, why such a downfall? | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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To destroy SD you simply take the purge out of him. | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
He was a staple core in this version... | ||
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Yurie
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Why did Dubu go back into dire jungle after failing on the invoker. Seems going bot would be safer. Guess he was worried about tps in. | ||
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On December 08 2016 11:19 Kuroeeah wrote: i would say the pudge pick payed off but i'm still unsure about it. it kinda makes more uncomfortable if i were mvp to prolong this game with their heroes. I agree. Once Terrorblade illusions survive Mirana star fall they will just lose the game. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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well looks like four 2-0's today | ||
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also i wished ursa didnt go lifesteal | ||
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On December 08 2016 11:29 Kuroeeah wrote: this major is just an awful showing from MVP. they didn't deserve their invite, they're just a mere shell of their former selves and none of their games looked good. they also probably hit 3/4 top 4 teams tho. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 08 2016 11:43 MetalMercury wrote: WG should put up a better fight than MVP, but that was a sad showing. How far the mighty have fallen; MVP was top 6 at 3 straight Valve events before this. If we are straight MVP did not have any business being top 6 at TI6. | ||
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United States3674 Posts
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