EPTIs it that big of a fallacy that OG lost to MVP?
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Kuroeeah
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Is it that big of a fallacy that OG lost to MVP? | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:57 Kuroeeah wrote: I don't understand the need of a new format. I could see your perspective on having a team make it to winners without having won a single series but you could just change it up like they did before where a series win gave you 3 points as opposed to a point per win. Is it that big of a fallacy that OG lost to MVP? Okay, the not winning a single game thing wasn't necessary, I prefer the 2 points for win and 1 point for tie opposed to the 3-1-0 distribution that soccer does. My issue is that MVP gets 6 points, does poorly in the group stages (like not winning a single series), OG does far better, and yet once the real tournament starts, they are essentially at the same spot. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:58 Dysisa wrote: Have you ever been so fucking devastated by a team losing that you spend half an hour trying to draw up a whole new format for the tourney that would better favor them? Nope, I just wasn't ever on board with 2 group stages, but I don't see any superior alternatives. It's one of those "I don't like any of the ice cream in this shop but don't hate any of it either" sorts of scenarios for me. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:54 IntoTheheart wrote: Could be a plot breakdown of Naruto. <3 Speaking of Naruto this was a line in the manga. "In a team of five one is always trash." | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: My issue is that MVP gets 6 points, does poorly in the group stages (like not winning a single series), OG does far better, and yet once the real tournament starts, they are essentially at the same spot. they, in fact, could be at the opposite spots, had OG picked Newbee they didn't tho | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:59 stuchiu wrote: Speaking of Naruto this was a line in the manga. "In a team of five one is always trash." That explains ringo | ||
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Nakama
Germany584 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
Ok so the actual problems is: The low seeds have to play an inhuman amount of games which makes their position literally impossible. There are not enough games for the high seeds to prove anything and there are no contingencies after the first game like a regular upper bracket. The viewability of the bracket is absolutely messy and one is supposed to have a system that a new viewer can quickly grasped. King of the Hill, pools, brackets, groups are easy. This is just a harder bracket to follow which might just be the graphical rendition of it, but i honestly think my mom couldn't understand it with a glance, while any person can understand the brackets atm. it doesn't really allow for a lot of preparation and timing issues are the most glaring issues, but i believe that accessibility in the system is the best. Just like the TI3 system or whatever. Or GSL Code S. Or LOL WC. or anything at EVO. | ||
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Elurie
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
FUCKING LEAF | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:59 stuchiu wrote: Speaking of Naruto this was a line in the manga. "In a team of five one is always trash." That sounds like a Sound 5/Sasuke Retrieval Arc quote. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:58 Dysisa wrote: Have you ever been so fucking devastated by a team losing that you spend half an hour trying to draw up a whole new format for the tourney that would better favor them? OG is maybe my least favorite western team, it has nothing to do with that. The format that we currently have was annoying in TI5 too (I don't like that you can come 4th in groups, and win one match and be top 6, while 1st in group loses one match and they are top 12). Compound that with the Bo1 first round losers bracket that defeats the purpose of any rankings between the 5th-8th team, it's just bad. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:59 Ej_ wrote: they, in fact, could be at the opposite spots, had OG picked Newbee they didn't tho Hence why I said essentially, because choosing between 3rd and 4th in the other group is a trivial advantage, from my viewpoint. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On August 09 2016 07:00 IntoTheheart wrote: That sounds like a Sound 5/Sasuke Retrieval Arc quote. honestly fuk naruto anything past the original 135 episodes is garbage. except the kakashi chuunin exam. the best episode is the kakashi mask episode | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:59 Ej_ wrote: they, in fact, could be at the opposite spots, had OG picked Newbee they didn't tho I actually sort of agree with the sentiment that it's a little absurd that doing well in the group stages, as in being at the top of your group boils down to a "choose between these two teams!". You can definitely make the argument that being able to choose is supposed to give you a big advantage but does it really? Regardless, there's an actual discussion to be had here. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 09 2016 06:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: Okay, the not winning a single game thing wasn't necessary, I prefer the 2 points for win and 1 point for tie opposed to the 3-1-0 distribution that soccer does. My issue is that MVP gets 6 points, does poorly in the group stages (like not winning a single series), OG does far better, and yet once the real tournament starts, they are essentially at the same spot. I'm gonna reiterate something I think lolfail9001 pointed out earlier, which is still the fact that 4 teams had a worse record than MVP, and competition is relative to everyone else, and not an objective marker. | ||
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Grettin
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I concur.  | ||
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