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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2016 22:09 GMT
#1781
Classic DC
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 08 2016 22:09 GMT
#1782
The only reason why I can sorta see Fiwi's side is that the thought of DC making top 6 is as baffling to me as it is seeing MVP making top 6 to Fiwi.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 22:10:45
August 08 2016 22:10 GMT
#1783
On August 09 2016 07:05 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 07:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:57 Kuroeeah wrote:
I don't understand the need of a new format. I could see your perspective on having a team make it to winners without having won a single series but you could just change it up like they did before where a series win gave you 3 points as opposed to a point per win.

Is it that big of a fallacy that OG lost to MVP?


Okay, the not winning a single game thing wasn't necessary, I prefer the 2 points for win and 1 point for tie opposed to the 3-1-0 distribution that soccer does.

My issue is that MVP gets 6 points, does poorly in the group stages (like not winning a single series), OG does far better, and yet once the real tournament starts, they are essentially at the same spot.

I'm gonna reiterate something I think lolfail9001 pointed out earlier, which is still the fact that 4 teams had a worse record than MVP, and competition is relative to everyone else, and not an objective marker.

The thing I could agree with Fiwi is that I think WINNING the entire group stage actually should give you an advantage. I don't agree with his sentiment on MVP doing so poorly thus being undeserved of being in the winners since the teams below MVP flopped so hard but it's a little strange that winning your group just boils down to picking between the 3rd and 4th place teams.

From what I understand, TI is supposed to be a marathon and the group stage is supposed to weed out the strong (top 4) from the weak (bottom 4). Being #1 seed is just a cherry on top of that, having the advantage of picking 1 of the weaker opponents. And even if you lose to them, you still have a 2nd life. Much better situation than anyone in bottom 4.

You also can make an argument for OG winning group A actually not being a bigger achievement than MVP's top 3 in group B, as you can see that top 3 of group B was good enough to beat top 1 of group A. So in that sense OG's performance so far hasn't been better, they might have just faced the easier opponents.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
August 08 2016 22:10 GMT
#1784
On August 09 2016 07:05 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 07:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 09 2016 06:57 Kuroeeah wrote:
I don't understand the need of a new format. I could see your perspective on having a team make it to winners without having won a single series but you could just change it up like they did before where a series win gave you 3 points as opposed to a point per win.

Is it that big of a fallacy that OG lost to MVP?


Okay, the not winning a single game thing wasn't necessary, I prefer the 2 points for win and 1 point for tie opposed to the 3-1-0 distribution that soccer does.

My issue is that MVP gets 6 points, does poorly in the group stages (like not winning a single series), OG does far better, and yet once the real tournament starts, they are essentially at the same spot.

I'm gonna reiterate something I think lolfail9001 pointed out earlier, which is still the fact that 4 teams had a worse record than MVP, and competition is relative to everyone else, and not an objective marker.

The thing I could agree with Fiwi is that I think WINNING the entire group stage actually should give you an advantage. I don't agree with his sentiment on MVP doing so poorly thus being undeserved of being in the winners since the teams below MVP flopped so hard but it's a little strange that winning your group just boils down to picking between the 3rd and 4th place teams.


I never said they don't deserve to be in the winners. I agree that they deserve 4th in their group, but that doesn't put them on the same level as OG.

Anyway, I appreciate you're able to see my perspective to some extent
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
August 08 2016 22:10 GMT
#1785
On August 09 2016 07:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
The only reason why I can sorta see Fiwi's side is that the thought of DC making top 6 is as baffling to me as it is seeing MVP making top 6 to Fiwi.


In his bracket DC would have been assured top 4.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 08 2016 22:10 GMT
#1786
I think it's very smart to give the aegis to axe over NP
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
August 08 2016 22:11 GMT
#1787
LD Maut casting has been bad since Group Stages, dunno why it hasnt changed yet. Or I guess everything is set in stone already.
Skol
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2016 22:11 GMT
#1788
On August 09 2016 07:10 MetalMercury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 07:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
The only reason why I can sorta see Fiwi's side is that the thought of DC making top 6 is as baffling to me as it is seeing MVP making top 6 to Fiwi.


In his bracket DC would have been assured top 4.

I love how that's your primary takeaway from all this.
kiss kiss fall in love
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 22:12:49
August 08 2016 22:11 GMT
#1789
On August 09 2016 07:10 MetalMercury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 07:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
The only reason why I can sorta see Fiwi's side is that the thought of DC making top 6 is as baffling to me as it is seeing MVP making top 6 to Fiwi.


In his bracket DC would have been assured top 4.


No, they'd be assured top 10. If they won their first match, they would be top 4. DC finished strong in their groups though, so it'd be deserved, that's exactly what I want to reward.

I hope you can see the flaw of thinking that the 2nd place team in groups would be a guaranteed top 4
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 08 2016 22:12 GMT
#1790
can't believe this bracket autism is still going on
secret - never again
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2016 22:13 GMT
#1791
On August 09 2016 07:12 ch33psh33p wrote:
can't believe this bracket autism is still going on

I mean... it's an LR thread. Lots of great and terrible things happen here.

If you ever get the chance, try reading through shitposting when GumBa and I get involved. Then you'll know pain. V^_^
kiss kiss fall in love
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
August 08 2016 22:13 GMT
#1792
TEAMFIGHT WINGS
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 08 2016 22:13 GMT
#1793
DC getting severely outplayed
The Real Power~
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 08 2016 22:13 GMT
#1794
WINGS WINGS WINGS!!!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 08 2016 22:13 GMT
#1795
Wings boys !!
secret - never again
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 08 2016 22:14 GMT
#1796
that shit is top 10 play material
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 08 2016 22:14 GMT
#1797
Kill this rat!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
August 08 2016 22:14 GMT
#1798
On August 09 2016 07:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 07:12 ch33psh33p wrote:
can't believe this bracket autism is still going on

I mean... it's an LR thread. Lots of great and terrible things happen here.

If you ever get the chance, try reading through shitposting when GumBa and I get involved. Then you'll know pain. V^_^


I wouldn't call it terrible though ^^:;
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2016 22:14 GMT
#1799
Misery is not LanM
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2016 22:14 GMT
#1800
On August 09 2016 07:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 07:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 09 2016 07:12 ch33psh33p wrote:
can't believe this bracket autism is still going on

I mean... it's an LR thread. Lots of great and terrible things happen here.

If you ever get the chance, try reading through shitposting when GumBa and I get involved. Then you'll know pain. V^_^


I wouldn't call it terrible though ^^:;

Quality is subjective. I don't mind it, I"m sure some do.
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