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On July 25 2016 04:16 Procake wrote: Yeah is it now or in 2 hours, gosugamers, joindota say different things. Draft for game 1 has started | ||
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Ah ok, thanks | ||
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spudde123
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On July 25 2016 04:16 Procake wrote: Yeah is it now or in 2 hours, gosugamers, joindota say different things. Draft is already ongoing for game 1, stream is up | ||
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On July 25 2016 04:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Rofl, clinkz that can't kill anybody. Don't even need him anyways :^) OHAIYO LOL | ||
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Well, they can't high ground or roshan when clinkz dies every fight. And MidOne slowly farms up. | ||
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On July 25 2016 04:51 PhoenixVoid wrote: Battle Fury Sand King gg. We call it Sandy Mage | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 04:51 mutantmagnet wrote: Good game overall. Navi handily outplayed Fnatic even though Fnatic didn't make any major mistakes. Not banning Sand King when it's the reason for most of Navi wins lately is error on it's own. | ||
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mutantmagnet
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On July 25 2016 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: Not banning Sand King when it's the reason for most of Navi wins lately is error on it's own. Meh it didn't matter as much as you want it to. Navi from the beginning when Artstyle came back was developing a style based on early rotations and now it has come to a point where instead of Artstyle doing it on Chen everyone was doing it this game. Fnatic was aware and tried to compete but they were usually a step behind and got punished for it. That basically sums up all of the team fights that occured after the laning stage. Both teams knew what the other was doing and had the right idea but Navi were in better positions or Fnatic was sluggish enough to fail (like when they had the brilliant idea of Mid One and Ohaiyo contesting Rosh in waves but after Mid One confirmed he couldn't grab the Rosh kill Ohaiyo was ready to Chrono just when they grabbed aegis and that allowed them to punish him when he tried to avoid wasting his Chrono. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 05:01 mutantmagnet wrote: Meh it didn't matter as much as you want it to. Navi from the beginning when Artstyle came back was developing a style based on early rotations and now it has come to a point where instead of Artstyle doing it on Chen everyone was doing it this game. Fnatic was aware and tried to compete but they were usually a step behind and got punished for it. That basically sums up all of the team fights that occured after the laning stage. Both teams knew what the other was doing and had the right idea but Navi were in better positions or Fnatic was sluggish enough to fail (like when they had the brilliant idea of Mid One and Ohaiyo contesting Rosh in waves but after Mid One confirmed he couldn't grab the Rosh kill Ohaiyo was ready to Chrono just when they grabbed aegis and that allowed them to punish him when he tried to avoid wasting his Chrono. I mean, most of Navi wins lately in nutshell: Snowball from Laning phase. Win. It just so happens SK happens to be one of the better heroes for achieving that against most of usual carries. EDIT: Secret 3-1 Navi, screenshot it folks. | ||
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On July 25 2016 05:07 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, most of Navi wins lately in nutshell: Snowball from Laning phase. Win. It just so happens SK happens to be one of the better heroes for achieving that against most of usual carries. EDIT: Secret 3-1 Navi, screenshot it folks. Secret has usually been about greedy lineups. I don't think that 3-1 is possible or that they won't earn it without having 3 bad laning games. | ||
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On July 25 2016 05:11 mutantmagnet wrote: Secret has usually been about greedy lineups. I don't think that 3-1 is possible or that they won't earn it without having 3 bad laning games. Secret has it's downsides, but they realize the above 2 step recipe of Navi all too well. Thus i assume they won't slip up more than once. | ||
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On July 25 2016 05:32 Zea! wrote: How many games has Mushi to lose before he understands his dusa's build is shit He goes linkens manta every game? If so it is really bad | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On July 25 2016 05:32 Zea! wrote: How many games has Mushi to lose before he understands his dusa's build is shit His build is the least of their concerns. Whole draft is Grade F trash. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
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Well this was a serious outdraft and outplay. | ||
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nojok
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On July 25 2016 05:33 Daray wrote: He goes linkens manta every game? If so it is really bad Yeah, no matter if there is not a single good spell to block or debuff to dispell, he wants those manta illusions hitting for 30 dmg. When done with TB it's okish but in a 4 protect 1... | ||
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On July 25 2016 05:32 Zea! wrote: How many games has Mushi to lose before he understands his dusa's build is shit But but but...he won so many times with this build when they draft TB along with Medu :D | ||
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MetalMercury
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On July 25 2016 05:25 CosmicSpiral wrote: Being a Fnatic fan is one of the most frustrating things ever. I swear they'll win something international someday. They really suck against Na'Vi but do much better against other teams. | ||
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On July 25 2016 05:48 MetalMercury wrote: I swear they'll win something international someday. They really suck against Na'Vi but do much better against other teams. If Mushi leaves maybe. Haha! I think he doesn't trust his drafter enough, or midone. Or he wants the spotlight. Either way, there's no reason for them to be swapping roles/drafters so often, especially when his teammates are doing a pretty good job with that. | ||
stuchiu
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On July 25 2016 05:48 MetalMercury wrote: I swear they'll win something international someday. They really suck against Na'Vi but do much better against other teams. They have the execution, they dont have the drafts. Also Mushi needs to go to MVP and learn bravery again. | ||
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On July 25 2016 05:48 MetalMercury wrote: I swear they'll win something international someday. They really suck against Na'Vi but do much better against other teams. Na'Vi routinely exposes their main weaknesses, which means that the top teams can pick up on them too. They'll never be in that shortlist for tournament victors if they don't address those problems. | ||
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Porcupinathy
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On July 25 2016 06:04 plasmidghost wrote: Arteezy hasn't won a LAN in over a year, today he will break that streak He won The Summit 4 with EG. | ||
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plasmidghost
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Oh yeah, he did, well this will be his first LAN this year | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
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Wonder if they are doing incremental increases just to fuck with Europeans or if it's only poor production. I'm guessing there will be at least half an hour of talking before the game starts too so off to bed. Oh well. :/ | ||
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Kraznaya
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On July 25 2016 06:04 plasmidghost wrote: Arteezy hasn't won a LAN in over a year, today he will break that streak bulbu has never won a lan... ever | ||
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lolfail9001
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Are you predicting that Secret will choke and lose to Navi? | ||
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Go Dondo! Show them who's boss! | ||
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Procake
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On July 25 2016 06:46 Blackfeather wrote: If one team wouldn't scam their employees, I'd be pretty torn between both teams. Go Dondo! Show them who's boss! What about getting sponsored by scams? | ||
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lolfail9001
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Was not DK sponsored by even shadier means? | ||
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Archeon
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I don't think we need to argue about the difference between scamming your employees as a company because international law is non-existent and having a sponsor who offers rigged bets on a website. | ||
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nojok
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On July 25 2016 06:51 Blackfeather wrote: I don't think we need to argue about the difference between scamming your employees as a company because international law is non-existent and having a sponsor who offers rigged bets on a website. Do you really think puppey and RTZ would keep playing under this banner? They could easily find another sponsor. They did not make the ending public, that's all. | ||
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Shaella
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and Na'vi just got sponsored by the literal scum known as g2a | ||
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This music is some seriously "IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM" music | ||
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On July 25 2016 06:57 nojok wrote: Do you really think puppey and RTZ would keep playing under this banner? They could easily find another sponsor. They did not make the ending public, that's all. As much as I used to respect Puppey, from interviews etc he seemed to play a large part in forming and managing the team. So it's highly unlikely that he didn't know from the beginning unless he blindly trusted cyborgmatt from the beginning with everything. I don't think RTZ thinks a lot about it either way. I agree that it's surprising he came back however. The one that makes me wonder the most is EE honestly, because he seems to be a guy who holds high standards for himself as well as for others. EE is precisely the guy however who'd tweet about a recompensation. Also why exactly wouldn't you talk about the ending? And again, getting scammed by an internet betting site is somewhat to be expected, not getting paid by your employee is totally different. | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:03 PhoenixVoid wrote: Remember when game start timers actually meant a game would start at the end of a counter? Epicenter remembers. Got up a bit late for Navi vs Fnatic but I guess this should clarify why Navi got their invite over the SEA representative. | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:10 Blackfeather wrote: As much as I used to respect Puppey, from interviews etc he seemed to play a large part in forming and managing the team. So it's highly unlikely that he didn't know from the beginning unless he blindly trusted cyborgmatt from the beginning with everything. I don't think RTZ thinks a lot about it either way. The one that makes me wonder the most is EE honestly, because he seems to be a guy who holds high standards for himself as well as for others. EE is precisely the guy however who'd tweet about a recompensation. Also why exactly wouldn't you talk about the ending? We know nothing, I speculate based on the fact players can't be that stupid to stay if they got scammed from so much money, you give more importance to other facts, but in the end, we don't know. | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:22 plasmidghost wrote: I really think Arteezy Razor will carry to a 30-35 minute victory RIP Secret | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:24 nojok wrote: No drow, huskar, alche, this game is already won for the viewers. but there's a razor | ||
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Blink/Lasso is the only reliable disable on Weaver, once he gets his linken it's pretty much open world for the sneaky pest. Early game will be the key to this as Timber and Weaver need time to get online. If Secret gets good early game advantage they can just 5 man tower after tower thanks to Chrono. | ||
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Altho he will probably have Linken's vs. Mana Leak | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:30 TheEmulator wrote: Mid looks so depressing for Dendi. It's pretty much the story of any melee going up against Razor 1v1 to be honest. At least Timber doesn't rely 100% on his auto-attacks to last hit. | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:38 TomatoBisque wrote: ... Travels rush on Razor? that's a very EE thing to do | ||
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today's a good day to watch secret | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:42 trifecta wrote: shaella just splooshed itself its true tho | ||
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EE oh EE. Such space creation. | ||
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trifecta
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+ Show Spoiler + http://imgur.com/kciXNi8 | ||
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wut | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:00 PhoenixVoid wrote: If only Puppey didn't blow Splitter too early that could have went even better. I think it was a zoning ult | ||
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lolfail9001
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EDIT: Also, farm distribution on Navi, Chen that outfarms Timber is just hilarious. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:01 lolfail9001 wrote: I may have to admit that 1 game in my prediction for Navi was too optimistic, Secret just look... better. EDIT: Also, farm distribution on Navi, Chen that outfarms Timber is just hilarious. Timber with only 3 bloodstone charges too =( | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:03 Zizy wrote: I just don't see Na'Vi contending the first place in tournaments with Ditya. He's a solid carry but he doesn't have that something as a carry to win them the game when its needed. Might be just me but that's the way I see it. Yeah, he is average at best. I'd put Dendi there as well, he is nothing special either. | ||
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wp by secret | ||
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the bear jew
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On July 25 2016 08:07 wims80 wrote: Dendi's Timber was very underwhelming this game, he wasn't able to catch up from the lane and his finesse with the hero doesn't seem very good either Timbersaw got super countered by multiple heroes. By keeper, razor, void. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:10 PhoenixVoid wrote: Turns out all they had to do was drop Universe. Universe is too rich to play well now. | ||
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nojok
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On July 25 2016 08:09 Seedfan wrote: This is one of those times where the game was over long long ago and it's just been 30 min death animation wp by secret Yeah, they got ahead and played it safe, nothing fancy from either side. | ||
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TomatoBisque
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First to last, two years in a row. Money changes people. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:11 nojok wrote: Yeah, they got ahead and played it safe, nothing fancy from either side. Nothing fancy? :D Secret playing beautifully but I guess not everyone appreciates good play when it isnt flashy | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:10 the bear jew wrote: Timbersaw got super countered by multiple heroes. By keeper, razor, void. Yeah and to add insult to injury when Razor had 57 cs (and 21 denies!!!) Timber only had 29 | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:13 Seedfan wrote: Nothing fancy? :D Secret playing beautifully but I guess not everyone appreciates good play when it isnt flashy No need to be so defensive and arrogant,. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On July 25 2016 08:12 TomatoBisque wrote: First to last, two years in a row. Money changes people. TI winners crash and burn , its not a new thing | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On July 25 2016 08:06 FreakyDroid wrote: Yeah, he is average at best. I'd put Dendi there as well, he is nothing special either. These kinds of posts probably make me more angry than they should. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:14 sunrazgriz wrote: weaver pick is questionable , weaver is weak with time dilation well at that point in the draft NaVi was super all-in so they picked a self-sufficient carry so they could move vs and chen around hoping to snow ball from pressuring secret safe lane but they failed miserably (vanguard void lul). | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:16 uthgard wrote: wp by secret and man that was one of the saddest timber I ever saw. You have not seen Zai's timber vs friends yesterday. | ||
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I would like to see them fight against OG, Liquid and Wings to see if the Secret hype is real or if they crumble. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:17 Kuroeeah wrote: These games look really easy for Secret. Unless something absurd happens in the series, Secret is simply the better team. I would like to see them fight against OG, Liquid and Wings to see if the Secret hype is real or if they crumble. Well, don't we treat Navi as tier 1 gatekeeper? If Secret keep dismantling Navi like that, we probably have to count them as tier 1. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On July 25 2016 08:16 Seedfan wrote: well at that point in the draft NaVi was super all-in so they picked a self-sufficient carry so they could move vs and chen around hoping to snow ball from pressuring secret safe lane but they failed miserably (vanguard void lul). jugg is in the pool | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:16 danl9rm wrote: These kinds of posts probably make me more angry than they should. If i replied to all posts that make me angry I'd have 10k posts by now. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 25 2016 08:20 FreakyDroid wrote: If i replied to all posts that make me angry I'd have 10k posts by now. Learn to shitpost noob. | ||
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FreakyDroid
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Nah, not my style :D | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:18 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, don't we treat Navi as tier 1 gatekeeper? If Secret keep dismantling Navi like that, we probably have to count them as tier 1. I believe Secret is tier 1 judging from these games, it's pretty hard to argue they're just looking better than every other team in this lan. Probably the most surprising thing about the entire lan is how deep EG managed to crawl themselves in the dumpster. | ||
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Shaella
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On July 25 2016 08:23 Kuroeeah wrote: I believe Secret is tier 1 judging from these games, it's pretty hard to argue they're just looking better than every other team in this lan. Probably the most surprising thing about the entire lan is how deep EG managed to crawl themselves in the dumpster. Seriously, if Na'vi was playing evenly with Secret it would be differnt, but Secret is literally crushing them | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:32 Neazbo wrote: I hope they give Dendi a proper core, sucks seeing him on the bat. Well, Dendi is losing mid to Ursa now. | ||
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20. Good god he crushed that bat. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 08:44 Shaella wrote: rofl this is so bad form na'vi Not bad from secret either. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:50 TomatoBisque wrote: Who is sadder, Timbersaw last game or TB in this game? Timber, because TB needs no items to kill stuff. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:56 TomatoBisque wrote: I feel like Secret isn't respecting the BH enough Only mirana & to a lesser extend axe pushing lanes fast against bat invoker & tb pushing fast and na'vi ahs the superior pick off in a spread map, this game is turning in a real tier1 test for secret. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 25 2016 08:57 Kuroeeah wrote: I dont get why Secret is making these sorts of mistakes. Arrogance maybe I feel like all iterations have Secret have randomly had chainfeed moments when they were ahead, it's just really bad in this game because they're against a BH | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:02 sacrilegious wrote: If I understand this, should Secret win this series it would be Bulba's first LAN win? I believe so | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:02 sacrilegious wrote: If I understand this, should Secret win this series it would be Bulba's first LAN win? At this rate Secret won't win it lmao, | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:05 mutantmagnet wrote: Navi are back? More like Clown9 never left | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: Dendi absolutely destroyed them in this fight. As expected? | ||
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Well he certainly didn't have that much of an impact in previous fights, I know that he got Aghs but it's not just that, he just hit at least 2-3 heroes with every aoe spell that he used. | ||
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mmr confirmed just a number | ||
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this is full clown 9. | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:06 FreakyDroid wrote: Yeah, he is average at best. I'd put Dendi there as well, he is nothing special either. So you don't shitpost bro? | ||
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Aceace
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Not batrider. | ||
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mutantmagnet
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Amazing performance! | ||
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Rebs
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On July 25 2016 09:14 TomatoBisque wrote: Secret have no building killers so they have to just wipe Navi to take buildings Yes.... that is the strategy. Well noticed. | ||
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Aceace
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On July 25 2016 09:15 Kuroeeah wrote: just give dendi invoker every game, i don't want to see him on heroes like bat or timber. lol 1 second ago :D | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:14 PhoenixVoid wrote: Dendi putting Na'Vi on his back. Axe is putting in some really insane work as well even though Secret is faltering. Totally fearless. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 09:18 Kuroeeah wrote: this is a great game of dota but Na'vi isn't really in the position to take the initiative. they're using buybacks, so Secret still is in a position where they're just looking for one more fight. Secret are using them too, you know. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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the problem is that i feel na'vi should have won the game already. ursa is getting destroyed by invoker, terrorblade has almost reached critical mass but it's still close even when i think it shouldn't be. speak of the devil | ||
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Sick play from Dendi to actually make that happen though. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:27 DucK- wrote: Think Agha disruptor fucked secret up last fight. Yeah, though they sort of were fucked by that time anyways. | ||
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Rebs
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On July 25 2016 09:27 nojok wrote: One bo3 remaining to be tier1, dropping only one game to na'vi in a bo5 can still make you tier1 but not two. Beating tier 1 teams makes you tier 1. Na'vi is just the gatekeeper, you gotta prove you belong there once you get a look in. If you lose to Na'vi you are definitely tier 2. But you arent tier 1 if you beat them. You just get to be gatekeeper instead | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On July 25 2016 09:31 Rebs wrote: Beating tier 1 teams makes you tier 1. Na'vi is just the gatekeeper, you gotta prove you belong there once you get a look in. If you lose to Na'vi you are definitely tier 2. But you arent tier 1 if you beat them. You just get to be gatekeeper instead disagree, depends on how you beat them beating them 2-0 was pretty impressive, if they pull this out 3-1 against na'vi its gonna be ahrd to argue secret aren't t1 | ||
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danl9rm
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All the other games I felt like Secret just outdrafted them heavily. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:33 Shaella wrote: disagree, depends on how you beat them beating them 2-0 was pretty impressive, if they pull this out 3-1 against na'vi its gonna be ahrd to argue secret aren't t1 You can disagree, but disagree with me doesnt mean Secret are beating tier 1 teams. It just means you are beating the gatekeeper to tier 1. It would be very easy to argue they arent tier 1. They havent beaten any of them.. lol. Dont get me wrong. They may well be a tier 1 team. But Na'vi isnt the final boss. | ||
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nojok
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On July 25 2016 09:33 Rebs wrote: You can disagree, but disagree with me doesnt mean Secret are beating tier 1 teams. It just means you are beating the gatekeeper to tier 1. It would be very easy to argue they arent tier 1. They havent beaten any of them.. lol. They can be the worst tier1 team, still better than gatekeeper or best tier2 team. | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 25 2016 09:35 nojok wrote: They can be the worst tier1 team, still better than gatekeeper or best tier2 team. There is no such thing as a worst tier 1 team lol. Can you really say that between OG - TL or Newbee there is a worst T1 team ? They all beat each other here and there, with OG being somewhat 1 level above. I am bringing you a very simple logic and you are offering gymnastics to force them in. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 09:36 Rebs wrote: There is no such thing as a worst tier 1 team lol. I am bringing you a very simple logic and you are offering gymnastics to force them in. You can make an argument that gatekeeper to tier 1 is the worst tier 1 team. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:37 lolfail9001 wrote: You can make an argument that gatekeeper to tier 1 is the worst tier 1 team. No not really, because they dont beat tier 1 teams either. Again,. if you really want to force it sure, but realistically speaking no. | ||
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Secret is still an unknown. I think they're tier 1 but they're making some pretty silly mistakes. I'm also going to take a stab in guessing EG isn't going to a repeat champion after their loss against FRIENDS. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 25 2016 09:36 Rebs wrote: There is no such thing as a worst tier 1 team lol. Can you really say that between OG - TL or Newbee there is a worst T1 teams ? They all beat each other here and there, with OG being somewhat 1 level above. I am bringing you a very simple logic and you are offering gymnastics to force them in. You said it yourself : 'lol' | ||
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Rebs
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I said what myself ? Let me put it you this way. If Secret are a tier 1 team after beating Na'vi. Would one be considered reasonable for betting on them to win TI ? yeah.. thought so. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:37 Shellshock wrote: puppey is a literal god Agreed with this | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 25 2016 09:34 nojok wrote: General was sick this game, he had that one bad death top but all the others were well worth the pushing, threat and vision he provided, landing so many good lasso against abba and oracle is damn good. The split push with batrider was super important to drag the game out till Navi could come back into it. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:40 Rebs wrote: I said what myself ? Let me put it you this way. If Secret are a tier 1 team after beating Na'vi. Would one be considered reasonable for betting on them to win TI ? yeah.. thought so. I was doing my best monty python, don't read too much into it, ofc those tiers are kinda ridiculous but who does not love rankings in esports? | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 25 2016 09:44 plasmidghost wrote: Secret's gonna win the next two games pretty easily Quoted for posterity. :D We will see my friend. I think ET would be super strong here. | ||
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 (((((((((((((((((((((( | ||
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the bear jew
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On July 25 2016 09:52 Xialos wrote: NO!!!! WHY DENDI MAG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ((((((((((((((((((((((Dendi is good on Magnus. And Now a Ditya Ra classic. :D | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:52 Xialos wrote: NO!!!! WHY DENDI MAG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ((((((((((((((((((((((It is godly, must be a secret fan | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 09:54 Kuroeeah wrote: this is a standard secret draft, if na'vi beats them with whatever the fuck their abomination draft is, I think plasmid and shaella will cry. It's standard navi draft tho. Wombo combo for highground defense. | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:54 Kuroeeah wrote: this is a standard secret draft, if na'vi beats them with whatever the fuck their abomination draft is, I think plasmid and shaella will cry. crawwlling iin my skiin | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:55 lolfail9001 wrote: It's standard navi draft tho. Wombo combo for highground defense. Need to hold hardcore early to mid though. Drow strat takes down structures very quickly. Elder's spirit will be a bitch to deal with when you're a Magnus trying to find a good blink/RP. I feel like Navi has been trying to play a lot of late game draft rather than resorting to the usual CIS yolo aggression. Perhaps they felt the need to shape up before having to face OG/Liquid again in TI? | ||
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the bear jew
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On July 25 2016 10:14 Kuroeeah wrote: na'vi loses the game if bulba ravaged. He was in mid animation. | ||
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it wasn't bulba's fault, i know he was getting chained but that was game over for na'vi if he managed to press is R. | ||
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You cannot see EE or Arteezy does something like that. | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:21 Aceace wrote: Good guy dendi sacrificied his his life for team's tractor.... You cannot see EE or Arteezy does something like that. i'm watching arteezy play one of the best mirana games. | ||
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stuchiu
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On July 25 2016 10:21 Aceace wrote: Good guy dendi sacrificied his his life for team's tractor.... You cannot see EE or Arteezy does something like that. EE would sacrifice his life for the team's totoro though. | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:23 DucK- wrote: It is comforting that general void has farm though. It means hope for navi! General delivers. | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:24 PhoenixVoid wrote: This is an Artour show. EE way too far in front even with BKB. with a bad ending i think. Navi has farm and unbreakable highground. Only hope is RTZ bursting a core with no bb | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:25 babysimba wrote: I'm not sure if RTZ can even carry this game lol. He must be able to hit all the arrows to win this Refresher Orbs hitting 2 arrows at two different targets at once ... Calling it | ||
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lolfail9001
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But Navi's throne cannot fall this game without Dityara going full retard. | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:27 babysimba wrote: This is such a LGD lineup. CIS has evolved to play late game Navi were running such line-ups even in TI5 quals. | ||
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nayumi
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On July 25 2016 10:27 lolfail9001 wrote: Strictly speaking Navi's highground is breakable by a decent siege on farmed drow. But Navi's throne cannot fall this game without Dityara going full retard. Drow's Manta and SD illusions should take down rax risk free easily. | ||
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9k to 6k in a few seconds | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:31 nayumi wrote: Drow's Manta and SD illusions should take down rax risk free easily. Or stuff like that happens. | ||
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And then that happens.  | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 10:33 Shaella wrote: Clown 9 is back guys. I blame Bulba, he is the only one who has not won a LAN on this team and it shows. | ||
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nayumi
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On July 25 2016 10:34 lolfail9001 wrote: I blame Bulba, he is the only one who has not won a LAN on this team and it shows. Clearly playing a one button watermelon is too hard for his calibre | ||
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On July 25 2016 09:44 plasmidghost wrote: Secret's gonna win the next two games pretty easily | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 10:37 MaCRo.gg wrote: Watching these games show how big of a difference between top tier teams like OG, Liquid, LGD, Wings and the tier below. Secret doesn't have a chance at the aegis. People that lump Wings in top tier tend to forget that these guys can easily bomb out of TI as well. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:38 lolfail9001 wrote: People that lump Wings in top tier tend to forget that these guys can easily bomb out of TI as well. Yeah people forgot Newbee exists or something. I'd still put Wings along the MVP, Fnatic, Na'Vi team tier, even though they did go 5-1 against OG at Summit. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:37 MaCRo.gg wrote: Watching these games show how big of a difference between top tier teams like OG, Liquid, LGD, Wings and the tier below. Secret doesn't have a chance at the aegis. Why are you putting Wings and LGD in the same bracket with OG and Liquid. Newbee perhaps but Wings? Wings is China's MVP.P | ||
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classic clown 9 | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:42 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, i blame Bulba, and i concede my defeat, Welcome Back Clown 9. ?? | ||
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He is the only one without LAN win on this team, he is clearly cursed. | ||
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United States14827 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:45 lolfail9001 wrote: He is the only one without LAN win on this team, he is clearly cursed. lol | ||
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Rebs
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On July 25 2016 09:47 Shaella wrote: secret got drow i'm sure we won How sure... | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 10:43 TomatoBisque wrote: not sure why people are blaming bulba for this I am doing it half-seriously, Bulba and Arteezy played best in this game on Clown 9. | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:45 Kuroeeah wrote: you guys curse secret, they should have won this series. I mean.. they can still win... | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 10:45 Kuroeeah wrote: you guys curse secret, they should have won this series. They should have, but apparently Secret are still tier 2. | ||
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wims80
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This is NaVi's second series in a row tho, endurance is going to play a factor in the remaining games | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:46 wims80 wrote: No matter who wins, I think it's safe to say that Secret is not tier 1 Pretty much.. and beating Na'vi is no validation of that anyway. Unless Na'vi shows they belong there aswell. | ||
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Xialos
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On July 25 2016 10:46 wims80 wrote: No matter who wins, I think it's safe to say that Secret is not tier 1 your mom's not tier 1 | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Ra's Drow and Dendi's WR incoming | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:40 PhoenixVoid wrote: Yeah people forgot Newbee exists or something. I'd still put Wings along the MVP, Fnatic, Na'Vi team tier, even though they did go 5-1 against OG at Summit. I did forget that Newbee exist, just fished for a Chinese team to put up there Just giving Wings some love for their Summit win. I think MVP and Wings are solidly above Fnatic and Na'Vi though. | ||
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Rebs
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On July 25 2016 10:47 Kreb wrote: This was a lot more on the draft than on Bulba or anyone else.Honestly pushing uphill into ember/mag/chrono/curse with ench lobbing impetus from T4. Yea.... GL with that. They had to find pickoffs out on the map but they didnt have the heroes for it. Well Arteezy played absolutely out of his mind. Overall they were ok. EE was the obvious weak link this game. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
remember , kick envy win TI | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:49 sunrazgriz wrote: puppey thinking to kicking envy remember , kick envy win TI Kick Envy get dqd from TI. | ||
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Xurr
Germany313 Posts
Also, Etheral Blade is a gimmicky gank item, in a late game teamfight its just garbage. | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:49 Rebs wrote: Well Arteezy played absolutely out of his mind. Overall they were ok. EE was the obvious weak link this game. Yea rtz played crazy good. But didnt matter, Navi lineup would never concede highground unless massively behind or mistakes made. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:49 sunrazgriz wrote: puppey thinking to kicking envy remember , kick envy win TI Kicking Envy will result in Rtz leaving as well. So yea that's like your fail-safe formula to win Valve's events. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:50 Xurr wrote: Secret funneled to much farm into the Mirana and to little into the Drow. Also, Etheral Blade is a gimmicky gank item, in a late game teamfight its just garbage. In a late game teamfight it's still better than shivas, linkens or octarine. | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:50 Kreb wrote: Yea rtz played crazy good. But didnt matter, Navi lineup would never concede highground unless massively behind or mistakes made. He was kinda tilted though he got the double pickoff after the team fight and then proceeded to walk into 3 Na'vi heroes. As for funneling farm. Aghs Mirana always gonna farm. Thats the only way to stop the split push from Na'vi so they can actually barrel down mid so thats more on Na'vi forcing it than anything Secret did wrong. | ||
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Sweden380 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:51 lolfail9001 wrote: In a late game teamfight it's still better than shivas, linkens or octarine. I still can't get over that octarine... | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
sufail mirana best mirana | ||
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On July 25 2016 10:54 stuchiu wrote: who is the guy with the really silent voice? KoreanBBQ, who is strangely a Chinese translator of all things. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On July 25 2016 10:54 stuchiu wrote: who is the guy with the really silent voice? KoreanBBQ. | ||
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Germany313 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:51 lolfail9001 wrote: In a late game teamfight it's still better than shivas, linkens or octarine. Exactly, its the hero that has no place lategame, the drow is not very good late, but can at least do something late, the Mirana is a Lightshow and nothing else in any lategame fight. Therefore, give the Drow more farm in this draft or not draft Drow and Mirana in the first place. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:55 Xurr wrote: Exactly, its the hero that has no place lategame, the drow is not very good late, but can at least do something late, the Mirana is a Lightshow and nothing else in any lategame fight. Therefore, give the Drow more farm in this draft or not draft Drow and Mirana in the first place. This game was done the moment Bulba failed to press R in the first siege, and kudos to Navi for achieving that. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I respect this ID. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
At some point that build will be pretty meh and the dagon 5 let you do more damage, still not the best, but at leat you arent worthless | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:55 Kraznaya wrote: Giving potm aegis every time was a mistake. Needed drow to siege high ground Then she just gets brought into base and can die twice. | ||
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
On July 25 2016 10:55 Kraznaya wrote: Giving potm aegis every time was a mistake. Needed drow to siege high ground RTZ was going to full right clicking hero with butterfly though , his mirana is good but not with the ravage and drow | ||
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:00 plasmidghost wrote: Secret has to win this series why? | ||
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StarVe
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On July 25 2016 11:00 plasmidghost wrote: Secret has to win this series in order for what? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Let's be real, if Secret don't win this, they probably finish below top 8 at TI6 with mental meltdown similar to that of C9 and Secret at TI5. If they do, they may have a shot at top6. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:02 lolfail9001 wrote: Let's be real, if Secret don't win this, they probably finish below top 8 at TI6 with mental meltdown similar to that of C9 and Secret at TI5. If they do, they may have a shot at top6. Didn't Secret win 4 tournaments before TI5 and then bomb out? | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:02 lolfail9001 wrote: Let's be real, if Secret don't win this, they probably finish below top 8 at TI6 with mental meltdown similar to that of C9 and Secret at TI5. If they do, they may have a shot at top6. so secret can pay the players and ex players | ||
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Vertical
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either way bat pull win them game 2 and Magnus push win them game 3 | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:09 plasmidghost wrote: If Secret loses this series, I highly doubt they get top 8 at TI I think results only have some correlation to TI results. I think the biggest factor will be who can figure out the meta of TI and ride it to the top | ||
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Vertical
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Na'Vi is on its way to justify the invite !!! | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:11 stuchiu wrote: I think results only have some correlation to TI results. I think the biggest factor will be who can figure out the meta of TI and ride it to the top This is why Na'Vi did so well early on. No one was learning the TI meta as fast as they were. Now, all teams are metagaming every stage of TI so quickly it's almost impossible to keep up with. I really look forward to TI this year. Can't wait to see what happens and how many heroes are played. | ||
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lolfail9001
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:12 Vertical wrote: no OG, no Liquid, No Newbee, No Wings Na'Vi is on its way to justify the invite !!! Mikasa coming | ||
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traumatism
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the bear jew
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:16 traumatism wrote: EE has gone full tilt today... It's hard not to tilt after that second game tbh. | ||
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Rebs
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Verniy
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:17 Verniy wrote: are navi back yet? Secret are not back. Navi are where they are | ||
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the bear jew
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arabica
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On July 25 2016 11:17 Nyan wrote: fell asleep after 1:0 and expected 3:0. now I'm happy =) Were two great games if you like Navi! I don't understand why this abbadon didn't support Morph top when they saw he would get wreckt in lane. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:22 arabica wrote: Were two great games if you like Navi! I don't understand why this abbadon didn't support Morph top when they saw he would get wreckt in lane. Abbadon + Axe combo too hard to pass on. They are expecting these two to do enough work so that supports need to rotate which will give Morph more room. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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the bear jew
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Belgium16168 Posts
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traumatism
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Chile34171 Posts
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United Kingdom698 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:30 spudde123 wrote: Not sure what the point was of this Secret draft. They can't exactly do much in this game feels like a tilt draft | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On July 24 2016 10:22 pellejohnson wrote: What a joke, sad to see how all the casters so quickly fell for some fantasy fake hype of Navi being back On July 24 2016 10:48 ch33psh33p wrote: Looks like navi still can't beat a single tier 1 team if their lives depended on it On July 25 2016 06:41 Shaella wrote: I'm just here to see the Na'vi fans salt.  | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
the difference is Starladder winner hugs each other celebrate and smiled a lot Summit 5 winner goes "meh... we won as expected..." | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:27 traumatism wrote: I'm quite afraid that this is the entirety of Secret's depth for TI. They don't tend to be innovative once settled into a style... This describes literally every iteration of secret except maybe the very first one | ||
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wims80
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
I sort of don't care Secret lost, but I hate seeing Na'Vi win now, only because of well... G2A. And poor Bulba | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On July 24 2016 10:48 ch33psh33p wrote: Looks like navi still can't beat a single tier 1 team if their lives depended on it Yea, but we have no problem beating tier 3s though XDDD | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On July 25 2016 11:31 plasmidghost wrote: Secret's going to get 9th-12th at TI6 but yesterday you said top 6? | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
the awk-ward | ||
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Kreb
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
plasmid is the most fickle secret fan don't pick on him | ||
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plasmidghost
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They've been figured out, now every team knows how to beat Secret | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 25 2016 11:32 Vertical wrote: Summit 5 and Starladder both played in house the difference is Starladder winner hugs each other celebrate and smiled a lot Summit 5 winner goes "meh... we won as expected..." Summit 5 winner was playing pubs, not point to celebrate. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
secret top6 | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:32 sacrilegious wrote: I thought Huskar was nerfed? LOL... I sort of don't care Secret lost, but I hate seeing Na'Vi win now, only because of well... G2A. And poor Bulba nerfs don't matter that much when you're pushing highground at 15 mins against a team whose only substantial physical/pure damage is an axe and an underfarmed morph | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:35 Verniy wrote: nerfs don't matter that much when you're pushing highground at 15 mins against a team whose only substantial physical/pure damage is an axe and an underfarmed morph Nerfs don't matter any when you are having huskar-oracle against a team without a single remote counter. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
AAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:35 Verniy wrote: nerfs don't matter that much when you're pushing highground at 15 mins against a team whose only substantial physical/pure damage is an axe and an underfarmed morph More importantly Secret's lineup had no initiation at all at that stage of the game, literally the only thing they could do when NaVi gets on a tower is walk in | ||
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TRUMP 2016. GEORGE ZIMMERMAN 2024. | ||
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On July 25 2016 11:34 mutantmagnet wrote: Dota bad ceremonies strike again. Sonneiko was so disappointed to look inside the cup he obviously wanted to dunk himself or a team mate with Gatorade. They don't have Gatorade in Russia, they have Kompot | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:06 FreakyDroid wrote: Yeah, he is average at best. I'd put Dendi there as well, he is nothing special either. You mean playing football? I agree. On the other hand, with Invoker he kicked Secret asses hard. Hi, first post here but long time lurker, nice to meet you all, but expecially Secret fans. | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
I think they've cemented themselves as the current top team that isn't one of the top four in OG, Liquid, Newbee, and Wings imo. I still don't see them beating those other teams consistently, but they've been improving dramatically over the last two weeks so anything is possible! | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Secret needs to work on their draft a lot more though. You cant drop Bulba now that Ti lock is on but maybe start interviewing for new offlaner because boys will they need it. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
Navi figured out Secret's drafting pattern, forced them to ban io/sk and got a perfect draft based on what they intuited what Secret would pick. | ||
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:36 spudde123 wrote: More importantly Secret's lineup had no initiation at all at that stage of the game, literally the only thing they could do when NaVi gets on a tower is walk in So overall, drafting issue? I honestly sometimes think Puppey goes on a period of being a one trick pony with ET or Axe (just like in the TI qualifiers) which hurts the diversity EE dying stupidly to the Rhasta fork lightning didn't help | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:38 nayumi wrote: Good tournament, dropping that winner bracket finals to figure out the Drow strat was worth it. Secret needs to work on their draft a lot more though. You cant drop Bulba now that Ti lock is on but maybe start interviewing for new offlaner because boys will they need it. At this rate they will need a new pair of cores first and foremost. But yes, Bulba could use slightly larger hero pool. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:34 lolfail9001 wrote: Summit 5 winner was playing pubs, not point to celebrate. I celebrate my pub games  | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:33 Kreb wrote: Secret still looking better than Manila. Looks like they could be a top 10 team at TI with a good run. Top5 seems out of reach though. much much better than Manila. So I don't think you can fault them too hard, they improved a ton. Still, feels like Na'Vi showed more depth and somewhat better draft/play coordination. Interesting to see where Secret go from here. Will they learn from losses and adapt or be headless and stubborn with not much of an idea what to do when you're figured out a bit. | ||
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Vankuga
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🤔 I liked what i saw from Secret. And this loss is a good experience for them. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:38 nayumi wrote: Good tournament, dropping that winner bracket finals to figure out the Drow strat was worth it. Secret needs to work on their draft a lot more though. You cant drop Bulba now that Ti lock is on but maybe start interviewing for new offlaner because boys will they need it. abbadon is not a hero vs huskar , its not bulba fault , its puppey | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
Bat/DS/Beast/tide/Aba what else does he need? | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:38 _Elendil wrote: You mean playing football? I agree. On the other hand, with Invoker he kicked Secret asses hard. Hi, first post here but long time lurker, nice to meet you all, but expecially Secret fans. First two games Dendi was at the disadvantage during lane phase at mid. Game 4 he had the better matchup and he bullied Arteezy just as hard as he was bullied earlier. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:33 DucK- wrote: Yea, but we have no problem beating tier 3s though XDDD funny how people put secret and eg in the T1 team group | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:40 Nyan wrote: funny how people put secret and eg in the T1 team group secret t2 eg t6 | ||
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Archeon
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Also happy to see Dendi carrying his team, felt that he's a weak link of the team. Surprised by secret's growth though. They looked terrible in the quals and shaky against weak opponents at the start of the tourney, but they really looked solid in the semi and finals. Two of the three games Navi won could have gone the other way. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:45 Faruko wrote: Navi last tournament win was against Bulba btw Team Tinker rofl | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
god damnit | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Now do you understand why i blame Bulba? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:51 Vertical wrote: mean while MVP have rampaged PGL, including a core mid pugna and return of the bristlebabe Wouldn't consider PGL to have the same level of competition as SL though. MVP was clearly on another level compared to T2/3 Chinese teams, while winning this wouldn't be a certainty compared to PGL. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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Kuroeeah
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On July 25 2016 11:55 PhoenixVoid wrote: Wouldn't consider PGL to have the same level of competition as SL though. MVP was clearly on another level compared to T2/3 Chinese teams, while winning this wouldn't be a certainty compared to PGL. i hope mvp does good at ti man, they're the best worst team ever. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:38 plasmidghost wrote: I'm always on suicide watch though You didn't choose the EE life he chose you. | ||
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Australia2330 Posts
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spudde123
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On July 25 2016 13:39 a_flayer wrote: Between Liquid, Na'Vi and OG, I'm really hoping they will show at TI6 why it can be a boon to stick together for a long time even if you're not performing as well as you'd like. I'm glad Secret lost with their idiotic kicks, and the retarded back and forth shuffles between them and EG. The next team RTZ goes to might wanna check him for venereal diseases, he's been in and out of Secret and EG so much. NaVi has changed their lineup plenty, their last change was some time after they didn't qualify for Shanghai. And as far as I recall they did quite well straight after the change and at least in their first LANs. Newbee is going in as one of the favorites and they were only formed after Shanghai and started doing well right away. For some teams sticking together works, for some teams it doesn't. coL for example got a big jump in performance straight after they took in Limmp, Handsken and Chessie and seem to be all about that "team unity", but have showed little to no improvement compared to their competition while staying together. A team like Vega hit their peak quite early in their days as a team and then started to fall off a bit. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 25 2016 13:57 spudde123 wrote: NaVi has changed their lineup plenty, their last change was some time after they didn't qualify for Shanghai. And as far as I recall they did quite well straight after the change and at least in their first LANs. Newbee is going in as one of the favorites and they were only formed after Shanghai and started doing well right away. For some teams sticking together works, for some teams it doesn't. coL for example got a big jump in performance straight after they took in Limmp, Handsken and Chessie and seem to be all about that "team unity", but have showed little to no improvement compared to their competition while staying together. A team like Vega hit their peak quite early in their days as a team and then started to fall off a bit. I know Dendi is a very loyal guy. He's humble too, but honestly, if he wanted someone gone, he could get them gone since he is the team. That said, he is loyal, he likes his teammates, like the atmosphere so I don't think they are changing roster unless someone comes in and buys up someone with ridiculous money. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On July 25 2016 20:09 the bear jew wrote: I know Dendi is a very loyal guy. He's humble too, but honestly, if he wanted someone gone, he could get them gone since he is the team. That said, he is loyal, he likes his teammates, like the atmosphere so I don't think they are changing roster unless someone comes in and buys up someone with ridiculous money. I'm not saying I expect NaVi to do anything in any way, I was just contesting the point about NaVi somehow being an example of a team that shows how important sticking together is. The way I see it, they started having decent results pretty much immediately they formed this specific lineup, and before that they were changing players quite frequently. One can say they improved a bit, but already in their first LANs with this team they were beating Secret (who had just won Shanghai) and challenging EG, and were in the finals of SL beating OG, VGR and LGD on the way. | ||
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France15845 Posts
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Quang3011
Vietnam16 Posts
On July 25 2016 20:37 spudde123 wrote: I'm not saying I expect NaVi to do anything in any way, I was just contesting the point about NaVi somehow being an example of a team that shows how important sticking together is. The way I see it, they started having decent results pretty much immediately they formed this specific lineup, and before that they were changing players quite frequently. One can say they improved a bit, but already in their first LANs with this team they were beating Secret (who had just won Shanghai) and challenging EG, and were in the finals of SL beating OG, VGR and LGD on the way. It's strange huh, Na'Vi beating Secret is the mark of them finally coming back. And they also beating Secret to get their first lan. Puppey seems to still have that Na'Vi blood in him..... | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 26 2016 23:55 Quang3011 wrote: It's strange huh, Na'Vi beating Secret is the mark of them finally coming back. And they also beating Secret to get their first lan. Puppey seems to still have that Na'Vi blood in him..... Well, Secret used to have almost perfect record against Navi until that Dota Pit series. | ||
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