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On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that.
I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost.
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OG fighting for my prediction points
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On June 09 2016 19:49 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:42 sc14s wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 Jayme wrote:On June 09 2016 19:35 LennX wrote:
So many "teamwork" comments They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts. They were the same in Fnatic (Notail & Fly obviously) I think sticking with the same guys for a long time really is important as teamwork really is what makes dota tick. I think this tournament and patch are really showing the importance of having a cohesive style and adapting that to the meta instead of vice versa, swapping players and finding new styles constantly. I'm disappointed that Secret's out but I think it's good going forward if the teams that are winning have stuck together and teams that lose constantly change players.
Actually, it's far more "draft synergy" than anything else in the current Meta. Your heroes have to work together. As in fairly strong 2-3 hero pairings, with support from the other 2. It's rare, among the top 20 teams, to win a match without really strong synergy. Obviously, some bad early rotations can get you snowballed, but, for the most part, unless you have good synergy in the draft & the coordination to back it up, you're going to get run over. Hard.
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On June 09 2016 19:55 Gear 3rd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:52 roronoe wrote:
Serious: anyone think fnatic has a chance?
You have to justify your reasoning though. I think they do, since they have the potential to throw Newbee off guard with classic fnatic niche picks.. chance isnt that high tho While No one seems to give them more than 0% to win i give them about 15-20%
I don't know, fnatic does so many big mistakes in game. Their series against LGD was actually pretty low level compared to all other winner bracket series.
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On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost.
I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes.
While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting.
I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6.
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On June 09 2016 19:59 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:55 Gear 3rd wrote:On June 09 2016 19:52 roronoe wrote:
Serious: anyone think fnatic has a chance?
You have to justify your reasoning though. I think they do, since they have the potential to throw Newbee off guard with classic fnatic niche picks.. chance isnt that high tho While No one seems to give them more than 0% to win i give them about 15-20% I don't know, fnatic does so many big mistakes in game. Their series against LGD was actually pretty low level compared to all other winner bracket series.
LGD was the weakest team to win their Group. They did just enough (and MVP & EG made just enough mistakes) that they came out on top. Fnatic beating them wasn't too surprising. Though LGD always makes you look messy to beat them.
Newbee is a much, much better team, though. Unless Fnatic can throw off the early rotations of Newbee, they're going to be picked apart pretty easily.
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really bummed out about that last series. hope MVP can get 3rd or 4th and be ready for 1st place in Seattle
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On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6.
yeah agree. MVP basicly looked really shaky the whole tournament except for that one series vs Liquid (  ). I had them going out between 12th and 8th place after seeing them in the groupstage and suddenly they show up vs Liquid and just dominate.
And today it was back to what we saw them be like in the groupstage. If they play the same way vs LGD/VGR I'd say they're certainly the underdog again. If they get their shit together and have another series like they did vs Liquid they're going to shit on either LGD or VGR
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On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. They are not gonna beat LGD.
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On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6.
They also should have closed out LGD in game 2 but choked HARD so it goes both ways.
Also I think completely taking credit away from MVP in the liquid series is unfair. Game 1 they just flat out won. And game 2 they imo played the most impressive 40 or so minute stretch of dota I have ever seen. Down 2 sets of rax they took pretty much all but one fight perfectly. Could liquid have played better that game and forced a game 3 yes but liquid made one big mistake where they did the multiple buybacks trying to get the megas and after that MVP gave them no chances. To do that against one of the best teams at the tournament is seriously impressive.
Also 3rd and especially 4th for MVP isn't great. They got 4th at shanghai and have been playing better since then. 4th which they are very likely to get at the very least is basically just maintaining what they did before which isn't really all that impressive. I'm curious why you think they have a long way to go for TI though. They are still easily a tier 1 team who is capable of beating any team on a given day. What makes you think that will change so drastically in 2 months they won't even be able to contend?
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This twitter predictions are ridiculously stupid
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On June 09 2016 20:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. yeah agree. MVP basicly looked really shaky the whole tournament except for that one series vs Liquid ( ). I had them going out between 12th and 8th place after seeing them in the groupstage and suddenly they show up vs Liquid and just dominate. And today it was back to what we saw them be like in the groupstage. If they play the same way vs LGD/VGR I'd say they're certainly the underdog again. If they get their shit together and have another series like they did vs Liquid they're going to shit on either LGD or VGR
Today was much worse showing than anything from the group stage for MVP. MVP should have won game 2 vs LGD but threw HARD. SEA teams have always played MVP much better than anyone else and MVP wasn't at their best so almost losing to mineiski isn't THAT surprising. Then they made EG look like an even worse team than they are. It was a below average performance for MVP. Today was the worse I have seen MVP play on lan in a LONG time.
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On June 09 2016 20:10 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 20:04 Toadesstern wrote:On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. yeah agree. MVP basicly looked really shaky the whole tournament except for that one series vs Liquid ( ). I had them going out between 12th and 8th place after seeing them in the groupstage and suddenly they show up vs Liquid and just dominate. And today it was back to what we saw them be like in the groupstage. If they play the same way vs LGD/VGR I'd say they're certainly the underdog again. If they get their shit together and have another series like they did vs Liquid they're going to shit on either LGD or VGR Today was much worse showing than anything from the group stage for MVP. MVP should have won game 2 vs LGD but threw HARD. SEA teams have always played MVP much better than anyone else and MVP wasn't at their best so almost losing to mineiski isn't THAT surprising. Then they made EG look like an even worse team than they are. It was a below average performance for MVP. Today was the worse I have seen MVP play on lan in a LONG time.
well yeah, but OG is just on a different level than anyone else in MVP's group was
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Is this aa pick hinting at a global strategy or more a reaction to newbees picks?
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On June 09 2016 20:10 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 20:04 Toadesstern wrote:On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. yeah agree. MVP basicly looked really shaky the whole tournament except for that one series vs Liquid ( ). I had them going out between 12th and 8th place after seeing them in the groupstage and suddenly they show up vs Liquid and just dominate. And today it was back to what we saw them be like in the groupstage. If they play the same way vs LGD/VGR I'd say they're certainly the underdog again. If they get their shit together and have another series like they did vs Liquid they're going to shit on either LGD or VGR Today was much worse showing than anything from the group stage for MVP. MVP should have won game 2 vs LGD but threw HARD. SEA teams have always played MVP much better than anyone else and MVP wasn't at their best so almost losing to mineiski isn't THAT surprising. Then they made EG look like an even worse team than they are. It was a below average performance for MVP. Today was the worse I have seen MVP play on lan in a LONG time.
Well OG played perfectly, specially in game 2. MVP did not play that bad, they got outlaned and OG offered them absolutely nothing to come back, not a single opening, and pushed their advantage very cleanly.
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oh boy i dont know about this... pl and sf will get shredded to pieces once on of them gets roared
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On June 09 2016 20:13 Mafe wrote:
Is this aa pick hinting at a global strategy or more a reaction to newbees picks?
Think its just a reaction pick to DP/Naix. Prevents some of their healing and they're fairly immobile so you can hit them easily.
I'm lacking some kind of setup though, hitting AA ult without setup can be hard.
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Fnatic sure bringing out their own style. PL/SF oh boy, Newbee surely has the more cookie cutter draft.
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On June 09 2016 20:05 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. They are not gonna beat LGD.
I expect VG.R to beat LGD. Fy seems to have gotten his team on the same page, and I think he out-drafts Xiao8.
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this sf looks like something mushi wants rather than something they picked cause it's good
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