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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
 Manila Major Day 3! Thursday, Jun 09 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png) Hosts & Streams In Game Client | Twitch.Tv | YouTube SirActionSlacks | Capitalist | Draskyl | Godz | LD | Merlini | ODPixel TobiWan | Wagamama | Maut | Black^ | Charlie | Fogged | Nahaz | Purge | Winter | Maut | Skrff | Weppas Schedule Losers Round 2 ![[image loading]](/staff/Tephus/teamlogos/234x90/ViciR_234x90.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/dc.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/lgd.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/empire.png) Winners Round 2 ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/mvpp.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/og.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/newbee.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/fnatic.png) Results VODS | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Poll: Digital Chaso vs Vici Gaming Reborn Digital Chaos Win (33) Vici Gaming Reborn Win (27) 60 total votes Your vote: Digital Chaso vs Vici Gaming Reborn Poll: LGD Gaming vs Team Empire LGD Gaming Win (41) Team Empire Win (13) 54 total votes Your vote: LGD Gaming vs Team Empire Poll: MVP Phoenix vs OG OG Win (43) MVP Phoenix Win (27) 70 total votes Your vote: MVP Phoenix vs OG | ||
opterown
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ch33psh33p
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Should be a fun day. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Also excited for the OG match! | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
LGD 2-0 Empire MVP 2-1 OG Newbee 1-2 Fnatic For heart I want DC, Empire, MVP, and Newbee | ||
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goody153
44153 Posts
LGD should also win against empire MVP and OG might be close though it feels like MVP is gonna take it. Fnatic is weird but i think newbee is pretty much just stronger than them so they should win. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 09 2016 07:55 Artisreal wrote: I'm on my last train home after a day in Hannover looking for a place in a flatshare and what am I seeing, liquid will play in three hours. Will not be a able to watch. Damn it. Best of luck and I hope for a wake up present of liquid owning the lower bracket. Also excited for the OG match! Wut? Liquid is not playing today mate... Unless you're on some sort of time travelling train that I've not heard of ;O | ||
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Kuroeeah
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DC > VG.R Both of these teams seem pretty comparable and unless something crazy happens, neither of these teams are going to win the Major. VG.R only won their game against a pretty bad looking EG and that's it. DC looks even better than VG.R has. LGD > Empire Empire should be able to put up a fight against LGD but I don't think they'll beat LGD. The thing is, I could barely see LGD winning the entire thing. It's in the realm of believability, LGD beats Empire and could very well beat MVP again as well as Newbee. I can't see Empire beating LGD just on the basis of me believing in LGD being a stronger team. OG > MVP Both of these teams look strong. MVP looks to carry over their strong form like what they've shown in DotaPit and OG has been a step above their competition in both their groups and the playoffs against Na'Vi. This could actually go either way and it's the one that I'm struggling to predict. Can OG find a hole in MVP's drafts or playstyle? Can they dodge MVP's teamfighting long enough for them to overpower them? Everyone that watched MVP knows what MVP is going to do but the question is whether OG can do anything about it. It's like TI3 Alliance, you know Alliance is going to rat but you don't know how to stop them. MVP is identical in the sense that you know MVP is going to group up and run at you to force teams to play MVP's game of teamfights. I've been one of MVP's biggest skeptics coming into this major and they've partially proven me wrong in dismantling Liquid but I still think OG is smart enough as a team to "figure" out MVP. Should be a good series either way though. Fnatic > Newbee I've said it before but I do think this is Fnatic's best chance at winning a major. They've dominated their region online and they're starting to look as composed in their LAN games as they are online but Newbee is also on that same boat. Maybe I'm taking a leap of faith in thinking Fnatic is stronger than Newbee. | ||
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rebdomine
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Empire > LGD OG > MVP Newbee > Fnatic | ||
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uriel-
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LGD MVP Newbee | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
LGD 2:0 Empire OG 2:0 MVP Newbe 2:0 Fnatic | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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LGD 2:0 Empire OG 1:2 MVP Newbe 1:2 Fnatic | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
however i did nto expect fnatic to win over LGD with some dusa, tb strat so who knos | ||
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ch33psh33p
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
Anyway, gotta cheer for the boys .. | ||
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plasmidghost
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ASoo
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On June 09 2016 10:56 plasmidghost wrote: GO DC MAKE NA DOTA GREAT AGAIN Build a wall and invite Europeans to live behind it? | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 09 2016 10:57 ASoo wrote: Build a wall and invite Europeans to live behind it? And make Zyzzy pay for it | ||
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ASoo
2864 Posts
On June 09 2016 10:50 ch33psh33p wrote: MVP and Newbee will cleanly 2-0 OG / Fnatic, but the first two matches could be very close. I can absolutely see DC 2-1 over VGR and Empire 2-1 over LGD. Unlikely, but still. I'm definitely not that confident about MVP over OG. They looked pretty shaky in groups to me. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 09 2016 10:59 ASoo wrote: I'm definitely not that confident about MVP over OG. They looked pretty shaky in groups to me. MVP group stage was a lot of clowning around. They picked mid PA, come on lol. MVP bracket stages showed us a level of skill that hasn't been seen in pro-dota haha. OG got 2-0'd by Newbee in groups and barely crawled past Empire. By that metric they were also far more shaky in group stages. | ||
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Bodhi
United States180 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 09 2016 11:05 Bodhi wrote: I'm so upset that Sheever was replaced with Charlie of all people. I wouldn't mind if his hair wasn't increasingly ridiculous | ||
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ASoo
2864 Posts
On June 09 2016 11:07 TheTenthDoc wrote: I wouldn't mind if his hair wasn't increasingly ridiculous Dota is made by Valve. Valve is in Seattle. Seattle is all about the side-shave. SCIENCE. | ||
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Danzo
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Sick! | ||
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
Top 6 of this major is definitely deserve an invite, so I think Newbee OG MVP and Fnatic has already earned their ticket to Seattle. Liquid will definitely be invited due their strong performance recently. EG and Secret, no matter how badly they are, the reigning TI champion and a major winner is a guaranteed invite. So there is only 3 invite spots left, maybe one for CIS and one more for China, so it would be Navi and LGD, unless Empire or VGR bring a miracle run to the top finish this major. and the last invite may goes to DC if they can beat VGR today. The problem is the qualifiers, NA and SEA qualifier are so underwhelming comparing with the CN/EU ones. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Kamisamanachi
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CxWiLL
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Kamisamanachi
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TheTenthDoc
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Kamisamanachi
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Slardar
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On June 09 2016 11:55 Orome wrote: I always thought this DC squad had potential, but I would've never expected their play to be so damn solid. They look more like a group of experienced veterans than anything else. Having two Major winners, one of them ranking among the most experienced players in Dota 2 helps. Not like Resolut1on is an untested newbie either. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Hope VGR can rebound. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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Kuroeeah
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 09 2016 11:58 Kuroeeah wrote: how miserable must eg must have been for them to actually have a lead and throw it against the same team that dc just rolled over. less miserable than RTZ | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
On June 09 2016 11:58 eieio wrote: my boy moo~ doom is really under appreciated this meta. Michigan hype! | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
these casters are just flaming vg lol | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:01 ViZe wrote: is yang zyf? END is zyf...yang is yang | ||
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l3loodraven
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On June 09 2016 12:00 MaCRo.gg wrote: have family from Lansing, can confirm lucifer likely frequents the areadoom is really under appreciated this meta. Michigan hype! | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
This style works brilliantly when VG was good and crushing everyone, but as soon as they are not, they fell short. | ||
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ref4
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hao is that possible? | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I don't know anything anymore | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Alch needs Solar Crest if he wants to remain relevant this game ... | ||
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ch33psh33p
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
Well at least original vg is worse lel | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:14 CxWiLL wrote: Fy's b/p logic is questionable, it seems that he always tries to hard counter the opponent instead of building his own lineup, which makes his team really hard to execute. This style works brilliantly when VG was good and crushing everyone, but as soon as they are not, they fell short. this has been his problem since long time...he just goes soo much flown away by meta that he often forgets his team strengths and rest of the time he tries to draft some fancy heroes | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On June 09 2016 12:23 shad2810 wrote: Lmao this vg r is so bad Well at least original vg is worse lel i won't say that..original VG looked pretty decent ..they defeated wings 2-0 and LGD 2-0 before this major . the matches were online , but their cores looked wayy more better than what VG.r has | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
Those DC shirts really look like shit. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
Next level stuff here. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:24 Dysisa wrote: Man I hadn't realized until now. Those DC shirts really look like shit. LGD shirts with patches sewed on front looks wayy worse | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:24 Kamisamanachi wrote: i won't say that..original VG looked pretty decent ..they defeated wings 2-0 and LGD 2-0 before this major . the matches were online , but their cores looked wayy more better than what VG.r has But it was still online. LGD looked sharper now than when they were beaten by vg. It's true that vg is definitely getting stronger since sylar is there, but rotk factor is still in play Well VG r got the noon factor so I'm not too sure about it. But I still think vg.r is slightly favored because their support duo is better. Well if cty comes over to vg.r then it's perfect lol | ||
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juff
Singapore4659 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:25 CxWiLL wrote: So Fy pick an Alch mid only for his Rubick Aghas? Next level stuff here. i'd say that a skadi aghs gyro can infinitely kite melee heroes while running away... but DC's got slardar and lycan so that makes no sense also, it's not even fy rubick. sigh | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:24 Kamisamanachi wrote: i won't say that..original VG looked pretty decent ..they defeated wings 2-0 and LGD 2-0 before this major . the matches were online , but their cores looked wayy more better than what VG.r has I don't think VGR's core is the major problem. Their problem is Nono chocked so hard in lans and Fy's B/P. Mikasa has covered both in SL-I. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:29 CxWiLL wrote: I don't think VGR's core is the major problem. Their problem is Nono chocked so hard in lans and Fy's B/P. Mikasa has covered both in SL-I. Disagree about nono. He chocked hard in online too (at least the one that I've watched ) | ||
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eieio
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Kamisamanachi
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ch33psh33p
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
did we lost guys | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
bristlegod now | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
Must be a record for a pro lycan tbh | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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ch33psh33p
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:42 ch33psh33p wrote: VGR is so fucking good. funny to say that after g1 lol | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Yeah thats why I'm saying it lols. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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ch33psh33p
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On June 09 2016 12:43 TheTenthDoc wrote: Hindsight is always 20/20 but I don't really get why the panel liked Timber this game, even if he'd kept his early lead he doesn't go crazy against Rubick To be fair this build is just... | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
lmao i suck | ||
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nayumi
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:45 nayumi wrote: I dont know why it was Timber instead of WR to be honest... Shackle would have guaranteed couple of kills before Sladar got his blink. Plus if they had picked Windranger w33 probably wouldn't have run into the enemy jungle like a lunatic and given Gyro and Bristle a big chunk of gold and xp by dying while 1 position in his team's farm (I think both of them ended up in the vicinity anyway) Seriously don't pick Timber again please DC | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
lets give him disruptor in game 3, fy ...and see him wreck havoc | ||
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calh
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Orome
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Dysisa
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:50 Orome wrote: Timber being ineffective is entirely on w33's play and skill build. Outside of the rubick this is a disgustingly good timber game. I feel like it's only a good timber game if you don't let the Bristle get going. Io/Bristle is going to trash your safe lane pretty badly though. If Bristle gets Mek up before you rev up I don't think you have a great shot at him and reactive armor doesn't do anything against any member of VGR in the early game and that's a major advantage of the timber hero Plus Rubick just cockblocks you sooooo hard | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Taf the Ghost
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RxMidnight
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eieio
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Kamisamanachi
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On June 09 2016 12:54 Dysisa wrote: Wow I can't believe Secret kicked w33 he's so amazing this game am I right guys, where my fellow kneejerk posters at secret isn't at better position to talk about this , i think..looking at how rtz performed in most of his games.i am sure mineski's mid player will win against rtz 90% of the time this tournament. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Xendarii
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On June 09 2016 12:54 Dysisa wrote: Wow I can't believe Secret kicked w33 he's so amazing this game am I right guys, where my fellow kneejerk posters at Lol, are you butthurt or something? Yeah, he had a horrible game. RTZ had plenty as well. Happens. Secret fan in disguise here? That was awful. Hope they can figure out why they played like sh*t and change something about it for game 3. | ||
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vasculaR
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Kishin2
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ch33psh33p
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Kamisamanachi
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On June 09 2016 12:58 Kishin2 wrote: How was timber a good pick there for DC? 3 strength heroes for VG ..timber's build was absolute dogshit, i think | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
his team did nothing the whole game. Maybe panelists chose to ignore that maybe they're wrong. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:54 TheTenthDoc wrote: I feel like it's only a good timber game if you don't let the Bristle get going. Io/Bristle is going to trash your safe lane pretty badly though. If Bristle gets Mek up before you rev up I don't think you have a great shot at him and reactive armor doesn't do anything against any member of VGR in the early game and that's a major advantage of the timber hero Plus Rubick just cockblocks you sooooo hard Reactive armor isn't even supposed to be relevant early on in a game like that. You should be one-shotting wisp at 7, instakilling waves and generally being a terror vs a team that has a grand total of one disable. He made it relevant by maxing it for god knows what reason. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:57 Xendarii wrote: Lol, are you butthurt or something? Yeah, he had a horrible game. RTZ had plenty as well. Happens. Secret fan in disguise here? That was awful. Hope they can figure out why they played like sh*t and change something about it for game 3. Not at all, I just love taking the piss outta people like you~ Because I'm sorry, but seeing the same "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE SECRET KICKED W33 HE'S SO AMAZING" posts during every single game ever that w33 does so much as okay in is really tiring. We get it, he's a good player and the decision to kick him hurt you as a person very deeply. Move on with your lifeeeeeeeeeeeeee. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:57 Taf the Ghost wrote: As for Timber, I think the hero can work in a lot of these situations, but it feels like no one has figured out the right builds for it yet. Maybe by TI? It's really very straightforward. You max timberchain unless you have a very very good reason not to. W33 didn't. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:01 vasculaR wrote: why are people bashing on w33.. his team did nothing the whole game. Maybe panelists chose to ignore that maybe they're wrong. I mean he fed FB in an awful way and skilled super weirdly. I think Moo did everything he could that game (okay Blink Dagger timing), and Resolution also did as good as could be expected in that lane, but everything fell apart once w33's presence was zilch. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On June 09 2016 12:56 eieio wrote: how does DC just gg like that look at bernie sanders now theres a fighter who doesn't gg out till the game's over the equivalent of bernie would be to lose a game of starcraft and instead of gging, float buildings or hide pylons all over the map until forcibly eliminated. even fantasy's gg timing isn't as bad as bernie's. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:03 Dysisa wrote: Not at all, I just love taking the piss outta people like you~ Because I'm sorry, but seeing the same "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE SECRET KICKED W33 HE'S SO AMAZING" posts during every single game ever that w33 does so much as okay in is really tiring. We get it, he's a good player and the decision to kick him hurt you as a person very deeply. Move on with your lifeeeeeeeeeeeeee. people overrate the players whom they can feast their drama hunger upon..W33 and misery are the names which give people drama, atm..just let few days pass and u won't see w33 being mentioned that much . he isn't a better player, but a better drama target, atm | ||
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
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GOHF
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xyzz
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Kamisamanachi
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On June 09 2016 13:09 MaCRo.gg wrote: Should I stay up for MVP vs OG? that is the heated matchup for today..consider staying up | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:07 Kamisamanachi wrote: people overrate the players whom they can feast their drama hunger upon..W33 and misery are the names which give people drama, atm..just let few days pass and u won't see w33 being mentioned that much . he isn't a better player, but a better drama target, atm Very very well said | ||
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:09 MaCRo.gg wrote: Should I stay up for MVP vs OG? Definitely. Both teams look really good. Would be unfortunate to miss it. | ||
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ViZe
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Kamisamanachi
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On June 09 2016 13:19 goody153 wrote: uhm terrorblade ? midone made it work yesterday...VG might have taken some ques | ||
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xyzz
567 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:18 Kamisamanachi wrote: OK.. this draft from VG is pretty balls deep...they are basically putting their eggs in TB's basket exorcism is a good spell, so tb isn't alone | ||
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RxMidnight
United States251 Posts
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:18 Kamisamanachi wrote: OK.. this draft from VG is pretty balls deep...they are basically putting their eggs in TB's basket but TB will be blown up by clinkz before he can do anything. It require some godlike performance from Zyf to win this game. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:20 RxMidnight wrote: Ooh Clinkz? Don't think I've seen a game with him yet so far in Manila. The only ones I've seen have involved Envy | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:20 RxMidnight wrote: Ooh Clinkz? Don't think I've seen a game with him yet so far in Manila. EE did try him out during the 2nd game with Navi in the group stage. Pretty sure he did get played once more but I can't remember which game. w33voker! | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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TheTenthDoc
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:22 Kamisamanachi wrote: Safelane over? There is no safelane - VGR | ||
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eieio
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eieio
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On June 09 2016 13:20 CxWiLL wrote: but TB will be blown up by clinkz before he can do anything. Except Terrorblade has like 65,794,679 armor plus Sunder. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
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E U S A | ||
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wuhan_clan
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ViZe
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eieio
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Rtz should take a note or two ... | ||
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ch33psh33p
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ASoo
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On June 09 2016 13:39 ch33psh33p wrote: Alright VGr back to being trash On June 09 2016 13:42 ch33psh33p wrote: ALRIGHT VGR NO LONGER TRASH VGR KINGS OF WHIPLASH | ||
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ch33psh33p
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ViZe
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shad2810
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plasmidghost
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
DC vs VGR: The brawl of two hobos over a pile of trash | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
LOL | ||
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plasmidghost
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vasculaR
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eieio
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what even | ||
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wuhan_clan
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eieio
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nayumi
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ref4
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ASoo
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On June 09 2016 13:47 lphwo wrote: Game winning smoke movement right there. Whoever made that call on VGR deserves extra prize money. Are you a few minutes behind? Or was there a second smoke that I missed? | ||
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On June 09 2016 13:48 ASoo wrote: Are you a few minutes behind? Or was there a second smoke that I missed? Just as I typed that, TB happened... | ||
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But if they don't focus TB he will 100% crush whole DC-Team | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:05 Kipsate wrote: If TB doesnt get nerfed we are going to see this hero at TI all the time. No please. The hero sucks.  | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:06 ASoo wrote: RIP NADota 2015-2016 Not even Macedonia could carry NA. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:06 plasmidghost wrote: DC desperately needed a blade mail builder DC needed a carry hero for Resolution that could accomplish something in teamfights | ||
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On June 09 2016 13:27 ch33psh33p wrote: This is gonna be one of those TB games where you wonder why the hero isnt picked everygame. This guy gets it. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:05 Kipsate wrote: If TB doesnt get nerfed we are going to see this hero at TI all the time. Lifestealer first. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:06 ASoo wrote: RIP NADota 2015-2016 DC isn't an NA team. Neither is Complexity. Secret and EG are/were. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:08 ViZe wrote: rip america u will b missed One American player on the team. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:07 xyzz wrote: DC isn't an NA team. Neither is Complexity. Secret and EG are/were. Yo sometimes you have to claim the teams life gives you. USA USA, Polt 4 lyfe, etc... | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:08 ref4 wrote: was E blade really that good? wouldn't a butter or AC be better? nobody on VGR had any magical damage I think it was about him being able to give ghost to allies? | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:09 ch33psh33p wrote: I think it was about him being able to give ghost to allies? but then you die extra fast to W33 | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:09 ch33psh33p wrote: I think it was about him being able to give ghost to allies? Ya how else was he gonna get his Venge killed? Sunder doesn't get the job done by itself. | ||
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well I meant whoever gets defensively eblade is safe from clinkz but dies instantly to w33 excluding the TB | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:11 TanGeng wrote: awww team sunsfan Charlie's shrine will have to wait for TI. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:08 ref4 wrote: was E blade really that good? wouldn't a butter or AC be better? nobody on VGR had any magical damage They wanted to push bot before DP's aegis ran out and he could afford eblade + bb but not bfly + bb. I'd imagine the decision was pretty much just down to that. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:11 ref4 wrote: well I meant whoever gets defensively eblade is safe from clinkz but dies instantly to w33 excluding the TB But then you're blowing spells on a hero that isn't TB, and he's not going to be brought down by physical damage. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:12 Placebot wrote: Eastern dota dominates, Azarkon nowhere to be found. What a great few days. Oh man, where is Azarkon? These LR threads could be so much better... | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:13 ASoo wrote: Oh man, where is Azarkon? These LR threads could be so much better... Crying into his Puppey dakimakura. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:12 Orome wrote: They wanted to push bot before DP's aegis ran out and he could afford eblade + bb but not bfly + bb. I'd imagine the decision was pretty much just down to that. This is pretty reasonable..tb had no buyback if he bought butters | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:15 Teton wrote: azarkon on suicide watch? I just miss his walls of text me explaining how bad 2nd place team is to first place team at TI..he can atleast write a full 6 page analysis on eg's downfall here | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:18 plasmidghost wrote: Slacks is actually a pretty good interviewer I couldn't stand him beforebut yeah he takes his job seriously | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:18 plasmidghost wrote: Slacks is actually a pretty good interviewer, shame most players don't share his enthusiasm K that BKB answer was actually pretty on point. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:20 plasmidghost wrote: Wow that was actually pretty funny, did he say it or did the translator make that up? On point translations all throughout tourney. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:18 nayumi wrote: Slack and Chinese players just don't work. Slack is over eager and Chinese players in general are way too timid and shy. Uhm, you were saying? :D | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:20 plasmidghost wrote: Wow that was actually pretty funny, did he say it or did the translator make that up? translation was accurate for the last question, she asked "would you rather face lgd or empire" even though slacks didn't explicitly ask that. all good though. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:12 Placebot wrote: Bit too soon to call, isn't it? Not seen any region dominate yet either.Eastern dota dominates, Azarkon nowhere to be found. What a great few days. Not sure about calling out Azarkon, and then try to do a Azarkon is the right approach. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:22 ViZe wrote: idk who was cuter zyf or that translator watchout EE coming for you | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:26 Moobutt wrote: I think SirActionSlacks has the best job ever I think SirActionSlacks seems like he enjoys his job very much but I am very glad it is not my job. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:27 ASoo wrote: I think SirActionSlacks seems like he enjoys his job very much but I am very glad it is not my job. What, you don't want a kiss on the cheek? | ||
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slacks is doing a good job though i used to really dislike the guy but it seems he just needed a role that was appropriate for him | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:27 ASoo wrote: I think SirActionSlacks seems like he enjoys his job very much but I am very glad it is not my job. Yeah I guess I sorta meant it like it's the best job ever for him personally. | ||
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Ask me again off camera, exhibitionism isn't my thing. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:28 ViZe wrote: these pinoys dont know how to do hotdogs slacks is doing a good job though i used to really dislike the guy but it seems he just needed a role that was appropriate for him What was his job before? Panelist? | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:28 ViZe wrote: This is the first event where he hasn't been downright awful. Maybe LD calling him retarded helped.these pinoys dont know how to do hotdogs slacks is doing a good job though i used to really dislike the guy but it seems he just needed a role that was appropriate for him Best described as comic relief, but panelist too, with the same issues. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:38 apes wrote: man these panels are pure balls, bunch of unfunny goobers trying to roast each other They're all afriad of going that last mile to make the jokes actually funny. Too afraid to offend someone I guess. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:41 Kamisamanachi wrote: Seriously these lgd shirts with patches sewed in... Ya they better go ask some punks how to do patches properly. | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:39 ch33psh33p wrote: They're all afriad of going that last mile to make the jokes actually funny. Too afraid to offend someone I guess. Well, the last time someone took a joke too far, he became an ass | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:44 plasmidghost wrote: Well, the last time someone took a joke too far, he became an ass touche haha | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:44 plasmidghost wrote: Well, the last time someone took a joke to far, he became an ass Roast was fine imo. It was the cunty sex jokes that got him. | ||
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(Eastern Europe?) | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:48 Kamisamanachi wrote: I was stating my opinion. You just showed you had a mancrush on zyf, which just nullifies your opinion altogether.Pretty sure u spelled zyf wrong..xD | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:50 plasmidghost wrote: Burning has been a burden for years. A relic of a time gone by.Pretty sure you both spelled Burning wrong BannedTwitchEmote | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:56 Dracolich70 wrote: Burning has been a burden for years. A relic of a time gone by. He is certainly not playing good since a year but not years..that's just overexxageration..he did pretty well till mid 2015 . | ||
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On June 09 2016 14:53 Dracolich70 wrote: I was stating my opinion. You just showed you had a mancrush on zyf, which just nullifies your opinion altogether. So my opinion got nullified and your opinion is just an universal truth , right? When did I say I have a man crush on zyf? Assuming things out of ass? | ||
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Beastmaster +Phoenix opening is strong for lgd | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:01 Kamisamanachi wrote: So my opinion got nullified and your opinion is just an universal truth , right? When did I say I have a man crush on zyf? Assuming things out of ass? Seriosuly stop getting baited by Dracolich. Everything thing he says fits in two categories: 1. Flaming every team / player not in OG. 2. Taking OG's dick so far down this throat its coming out of his ass. User was warned for this post | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:01 Kamisamanachi wrote: Of course my opinion is the truth for me, as I said "in my book". I stated my subjective opinion, just like you did yours. However, no one cares about yours.So my opinion got nullified and your opinion is just an universal truth , right? When did I say I have a man crush on zyf? Assuming things out of ass? Speaking of universal truth, you were the one that tried to project yours as one, didn't you? Your mancrush for zyf was pretty obvious a few pages back. | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:07 ViZe wrote: is scandal still considered to be a good player? he was hot shit in empire like 4 years ago lol Scandal comes and goes like the seasons. He'll be amazing then shit then amazing all within the span of a year. Right now he's on the upswing. | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:08 Dracolich70 wrote: Of course my opinion is the truth for me, as I said "in my book". I stated my subjective opinion, just like you did yours. However, no one cares about yours. Plot twist: we don't care about yours either. I mean, we're random strangers on the internet blowing hot air. Who gives a fuck about our opinions? | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:09 ASoo wrote: Well, considering people respond to my opinion, it does actually mean they do care. And now you checked in.Plot twist: we don't care about yours either. I mean, we're random strangers on the internet blowing hot air. Who gives a fuck about our opinions? Speaking of hot air... | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:11 Dracolich70 wrote: Well, considering people respond to my opinion, it does actually mean they do care. And now you checked in. Speaking of hot air... Considering you responded to Kami's opinion, shows you care quite a bit too. Look at how big that comment chain is. | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:15 ViZe wrote: i see that LD still has a huge hard on for xiao8 mid beastmaster. some things dont change Everyone with BTS fucking loves Chinese players. | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:11 Dracolich70 wrote: Well, considering people respond to my opinion, it does actually mean they do care. And now you checked in. Speaking of hot air... On the contrary, it's perfectly possible for us to be engaging in this conversation without caring about one another's opinions! I post in LR threads because I find watching Dota more fun when I can blather about the Dota I'm watching in a forum like this, and read the blather of others on the same. That doesn't mean I care what you think, nor do I expect you to care what I think! There's a reason I included myself in the "we" who are blowing hot air... | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:12 ch33psh33p wrote: Not that I expect a lot from you, but I explained his misunderstanding. I don't care whom he thinks is best.Considering you responded to Kami's opinion, shows you care quite a bit too. Look at how big that comment chain is. Tbf I am surprised you actually post at all after your "Only Na'vi plays Phoenix, everyone else have left it behind".You are like a pile of self-defeats. | ||
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On June 09 2016 15:22 hfglgg wrote: did i see that stat right? he has 1200 pub games on phoenix? i think it was 1250. he had like a 66% winrate or something i think it definitely shows in his play | ||
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On June 09 2016 16:44 scoww wrote: I just tuned in. Safelane Beastmaster what? They've played that Beastmaster/Void combo before. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2344723962 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2329779065 | ||
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On June 09 2016 16:51 Grettin wrote: stream having issues for everyone else, i presume? turn on twitch chat | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:02 villainzilla wrote: fuck the traffic here, been in traffic for the past hour and still nowhere near the arena jesus christ that sounds awful. Isn't manila like one of the worst places in the world for traffic iirc? | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:06 ch33psh33p wrote: Stream lag pls stop. Twitch? Swap to youtube, its not even stuttering for me anymore. Else try the korean stream, was using that for a couple mins on my phone till i swapped to youtube. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:07 sc14s wrote: Twitch? Swap to youtube, its not even stuttering for me anymore. Else try the korean stream, was using that for a couple mins on my phone till i swapped to youtube. Link? | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:08 bourne117 wrote: I switched to YT.Twitch start buffering a bunch for anyone else? | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:13 Dracolich70 wrote: Slacks must be new to Dota, as he is not familar with Ricers, or Chinese farming. Relax. Hes doing what you call his 'job'. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:13 Dracolich70 wrote: Slacks must be new to Dota, as he is not familar with Ricers, or Chinese farming. Chinese are way more agressive than Western teams atm, specially hao and agressif on the pos1. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:17 Dracolich70 wrote: His job is knowing what questions are good to ask. His Jerb is to fill time actually. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:18 nojok wrote: That doesn't remove that Chinese have always been good at optimizing farm.Chinese are way more agressive than Western teams atm, specially hao and agressif on the pos1. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:24 Dracolich70 wrote: It is not meaningless what kind of questions that are asked, else anyone could be set to do it. Even... I mean hes doing something like 100+ interviews, some of which he actually did ask good questions, so in my mind bitching about one is meaningless. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:20 Kipsate wrote: Think I favour OG by about 60/40 here. Hard to call. Only thing that's certain is that the matchup won't be tipped more than 60 / 40 in either direction. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:26 Iplaythings wrote: Hard to call. Only thing that's certain is that the matchup won't be tipped more than 60 / 40 in either direction. Honestly MVP could just snowball way out of control and win 2 games in 20 minutes each. Its just very unpredictable imo. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:43 Slomo wrote: Honestly MVP could just snowball way out of control and win 2 games in 20 minutes each. Its just very unpredictable imo. Could also just depend on the QO vs Miracle mid matchup if that happens | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:00 scoww wrote: n0tail DK? ._. I don't think it's anything surprising. If you can play Beastmaster and Necrophos, I'm pretty sure you can play a DK. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:02 Kreb wrote: Is that the first Morph pick this major? Nope. VGR ran it earlier, and lost spectacularly. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:05 Pandemona wrote: Wait why is axe jungling and given free farm to miracle mvp please Too much mmr on the lane. Someone has to leave. | ||
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mvp dota is fun On June 09 2016 18:05 Pandemona wrote: Wait why is axe jungling and given free farm to miracle mvp please axe is surprisingly terrible against dazzle in the laning stage. axe wants to get in the creeps and when that happens, bam heal bomb and axe is dead. | ||
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On June 09 2016 17:54 Danzo wrote: How big will this be for Korean dota if they win the major. Will they have kpop stars dance all over them and then sign a new contract deal to televise local Korea doto tournaments? I would guess it would help get the game some more attention in Korea- I find it a shame that they aren't as interested in DOTA when compared to league. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:20 Vadrigar wrote: Panel "experts" proving once again that they know nothing about pro dota... Why in the hell is Charlie on that desk lmao | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:20 Pandemona wrote: Why didn't MVP take that fight? Looked like a good positioning for cask after the call and with Morph pretty low he wasn't gonna do much as he had to charge into strength? Panic I guess? | ||
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because he's hilarious. Charlie is easily the best guy on the desk | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:25 Danzo wrote: So why did Jug go vanguard? Where they relying heavily on early fighting with track gold and just snowball from there? You can't really afford 2 AFK farmers atm but I think MVP plan relied on ember power peak between rank 7 and 10 with maxed guard and chains but this DK dazzle lane shut him down too hard. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:28 Toadesstern wrote: because he's hilarious. Charlie is easily the best guy on the desk And? I'm not watching a comedy show. Does he offer any actual expert input? | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:31 Danzo wrote: And? I'm not watching a comedy show. Does he offer any actual expert input? the panels job IS to be entertaining between games... | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:31 Danzo wrote: And? I'm not watching a comedy show. Does he offer any actual expert input? Better than Fogged, Purge and ReDeYe so far, not above Winter of course. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:33 Racket wrote: Better than Fogged, Purge and ReDeYe so far, not above Winter of course. also easily better than Black | ||
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all OG need to do is keep Miracle in good shape and they win easy. | ||
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Not like I am defending him but I don't think he took the analyse job too seriously. Black seems to me to only be joking about AM and TB, flames and funny stuff. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:35 roronoe wrote: miracle can actually play everything Haven't seen him play Dazzle. On June 09 2016 18:35 Kipsate wrote: I like how at the start of the match they gave the bounty rune to Miracle instead of DK all OG need to do is keep Miracle in good shape and they win easy. Old 4p1 !! | ||
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Dazzle mid is super legit. | ||
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Or safe lane!!!! Carry Dazzle plz. | ||
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they live and die by their execution. has there ever being a MVP win where they just plain out draft the other side? | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:42 Taf the Ghost wrote: MVP is can be held off with two strong, defensive supports. OG came in with a very good strategy for game 1. But it really helps that OG play's Wisp. Io combos really are some of MVP's best line ups. Yeah, they're comfortable on many key MVP heroes, they can afford to ban two and pick io or slardar for themselves if they have first pick. They can also easily contest the invoker in the later part of the draft. On the other hand I don't think I've seen MVP run the favorite supports of OG outside of io. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:43 DucK- wrote: Why would MVP ban dp lol. That hero is a free win because notail's the one playing her, and often ends up under farmed. MVP, like most SEA teams, has historically had serious issues with Banning properly. It occasionally comes back. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:46 Taf the Ghost wrote: MVP, like most SEA teams, has historically had serious issues with Banning properly. It occasionally comes back. They just need to master the art of no-ban drafting | ||
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Ok makes sense with phoenix+void in mind. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:35 Kipsate wrote: I like how at the start of the match they gave the bounty rune to Miracle instead of DK all OG need to do is keep Miracle in good shape and they win easy. Which is a litte weird because Cr1t found the MVP observer ward in their jungle and hit it a few times so Miracle could lasthit it on the way to the rune spawn. But Miracle ignored the free 100g on the way there. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:48 Kamisamanachi wrote: https://twitter.com/midonedota2/status/740521100367400960 Off the game topic, but they are showing today's matches in a theatre malaysia boleh! | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:49 Slomo wrote: Which is a litte weird because Cr1t found the MVP observer ward in their jungle and hit it a few times so Miracle could lasthit it on the way to the rune spawn. But Miracle ignored the free 100g on the way there. The reason is cause they wanted the better mid block, which Notail got. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:52 hfglgg wrote: meh, i never like those et picks. that hero seems so underwhelming in most situations. Last time OG played it it was great. | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:52 BlazingGlory wrote: The reason is cause they wanted the better mid block, which Notail got. Ok, but Miracle could have 100g from the rune and 100g from the ward. It also looked like Cr1t left the last hit for Morph. But whatever, maybe they decided the 100g on Wisp will make for a faster bottle and are more important. | ||
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Edit: Even a blind retard is right sometimes! | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:55 Kreb wrote: Could they pull out a TA? Nothing good against refraction, ranged chrono dmg... Ayyy | ||
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On June 09 2016 18:55 Kreb wrote: Could they pull out a TA? Nothing good against refraction, ranged chrono dmg... Edit: Even a blind retard is right sometimes! A broken watch is right twice a day to put i more elegantly. I favor OG unlike the panel, though I feel the stomp counter initiation will be the key to stop MVP's aggression. | ||
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which game was that? | ||
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On June 09 2016 08:40 nayumi wrote: Wut? Liquid is not playing today mate... Unless you're on some sort of time travelling train that I've not heard of ;O Apparently I was really tired yesterday. Just woke up to the good news | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:12 nojok wrote: I don't know who makes the calls for OG, but he made the game really easy for them. I believe it's Fly. | ||
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Paired with Magnus against NaVi | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:15 Vadrigar wrote: 0/13 O.o MVP is the clear favorite guys! 0/14 :D | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:16 Danzo wrote: "MVP has some of the best Dota I've ever seen" - Charlie Yang, thanks Charlie! Well, it has some, but not all of it, all the time. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:15 Gear 3rd wrote: Perfect game inc??? The only perfect game is the 3-22 game. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:16 Ufnal wrote: So, is Phoenix OP as hell or OG as hell? Let's be frank here. OG is completely outplaying MVP in this game currently. Every scan is on point. Every smoke is sniffed out. Every bit of execution is on point for OG right now. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:19 Elurie wrote: Word of the day appears to be Stomp. I wonder if Fnatic can give Newbee some close games. I wouldn't put it past being exactly the same as this. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:20 sc14s wrote: This is always what happens when I expect a series to be great Welcome to being an EG fan. | ||
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4k gold swing? | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:19 RxMidnight wrote: When was the last time a team got 0 kills in a significant tournament? Might be iG vs EG back in 2014? If we're talking in Upper Bracket/Finals range. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:19 RxMidnight wrote: When was the last time a team got 0 kills in a significant tournament? alliance this very tournament | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:19 RxMidnight wrote: When was the last time a team got 0 kills in a significant tournament? C9 vs IG TI5 Group stage http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2015/Group_Stage/Day_3/Series_11_to_15#Series_11B | ||
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Its not that I care overly much about MVP losing, its that I want good DOTA. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:20 Dracolich70 wrote: Who was the guy that said MVP are one-dimensional, and predictable, where no one agreed? Not me, but I had always said MVP had the same style since I remember watching them during 6.83. These past few patches have heavily favored this team will team fighting bounty gold. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:21 Taf the Ghost wrote: Might be iG vs EG back in 2014? If we're talking in Upper Bracket/Finals range. 22-0 never forget. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:20 Dracolich70 wrote: Who was the guy that said MVP are one-dimensional, and predictable, where no one agreed? well most people knew that MVP is one-dimensional but the question is can teams stop that. looks like OG figured out how. | ||
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I had always said MVP had the same style since I remember watching them during 6.83. These past few patches have heavily favored this team with team fighting bounty gold. | ||
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9000 MMR | ||
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et almost died, told you its a bad hero! | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:21 Artisreal wrote: I'm curious about the comeback gold provided by 5 members of MVP killing Notail or Miracle. 4k gold swing? SO YUMMY, MY WORDS | ||
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24-0 ! | ||
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NA MEANDER | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:24 Mafe wrote: Did OG lose a tower? 3 Both top and 1 mid. Though those last 2 were pretty meaningless | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:24 Mafe wrote: Did OG lose a tower? nvm | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:22 Danzo wrote: I had always said MVP had the same style since I remember watching them during 6.83. These past few patches have heavily favored this team with team fighting bounty gold. you can't just copy the same points on two points come on dude | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:24 Stancel wrote: the 0 deaths miracle dream lives on He never died this tournament or only during playoffs? | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:25 Wintex wrote: you can't just copy the same points on two points come on dude Huh | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:26 V1ctor wrote: He never died this tournament or only during playoffs? playoffs | ||
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It's gonna be a tough climb since newbee and if we lose it's probably liquid, but if we win it's og next Whatever happens I'm proud of the boys. Let's go fnatic! | ||
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9 K M M R P O I N T S Moonmeander as master hontrash and a jew How do you beat it User was warned for this post | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:28 Dracolich70 wrote: Everyone on panel are suddenly experts in hindsight. To be fair they did use a minute or two being baffled | ||
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Yeah I tried to edit something but I fucked up, so I think I rewrote. Anyways, still had my same opinion. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:29 LemOn wrote: Hahaha Danzo owned | ||
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THAT MOUSE POINTER!! I had it back in Win98! /hug for old times | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:27 shad2810 wrote: Looks like I'll be back home for the match that I really want to see It's gonna be a tough climb since newbee and if we lose it's probably liquid, but if we win it's og next Whatever happens I'm proud of the boys. Let's go fnatic! Same here..I am pretty sure fnatic can throw newbee under the bus with their picks,but it's gonna be a tough battle . Still feeling happy of what they have accomplished his tournament till now. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:30 Racket wrote: THAT MOUSE POINTER!! I had it back in Win98! /hug for old times That is a horrible mouse pointer D: | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:30 Racket wrote: THAT MOUSE POINTER!! I had it back in Win98! /hug for old times brood war pointer best pointer | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:35 LennX wrote: So many "teamwork" comments OG's roster is the most stable one of all teams here and it pays off. More than miracle, it's what brings them results. I hope liquid will follow the same path. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:39 Kishin2 wrote: Is Fnatic vs Newbee even worth watching? There's ~0% Newbee loses right? Probably, fnatic is still fun to watch tho. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:38 nojok wrote: OG's roster is the most stable one of all teams here and it pays off. More than miracle, it's what brings them results. I hope liquid will follow the same path. Yeah, Liquid i think is less about the flashy single players and more about cohesive teamwork for sure. OG sort of has both however. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:35 LennX wrote: So many "teamwork" comments They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:38 nojok wrote: They were created around the same time, so they are equally stable.OG's roster is the most stable one of all teams here and it pays off. More than miracle, it's what brings them results. I hope liquid will follow the same path. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:40 sc14s wrote: Yeah, Liquid i think is less about the flashy single players and more about cohesive teamwork for sure. OG sort of has both however. They still have their flashes of brilliance, specially Jerax. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:41 Jayme wrote: They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts. They were the same in Fnatic (Notail & Fly obviously) I think sticking with the same guys for a long time really is important as teamwork really is what makes dota tick. | ||
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bourne117
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On June 09 2016 19:41 Jayme wrote: They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts. Haven't MVP been together just as long? Same with Liquid and Alliance. All have been together since TI5. Also does anyone know what side of the bracket MVP will go to? Do they play winner of Navi TL or LGD VGR? | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote: OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too.oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet. When MVP not having any other strat or plan B, it will fall apart, and they can't adjust. They live and die by trying to bulldozer teams, through timing attacks. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote: OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote: MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. calm down huk lel | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On June 09 2016 19:43 bourne117 wrote: Haven't MVP been together just as long? Same with Liquid and Alliance. All have been together since TI5. Also does anyone know what side of the bracket MVP will go to? Do they play winner of Navi TL or LGD VGR? To avoid a certain amount of repeat matchups, it's generally the Winner's Semi-Finals loser goes to the "opposite" side of the Lower Bracket. So it *should* be that MVP plays the winner of LGD vs VG.R. Which pretty much means unless YOLO.MVP shows up tomorrow, they'll be Top 4 again. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote: OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. The fact you fell for the "MVP always does the same thing so they will get mapped out" indicates your lack of knowledge or you are part of the sheeps , they have a variety of strategy they run REALLY well with tons of heroes combinations , no one is mapping them down or BS like that , OG were just better this series its not about figuring them out or anything else , its not like they are drafting the same thing (like my team does usually) and only win because of 1 certain way of playing , they have games they go late , early , push , team fighting. tldr - OG were better but not because they "figured them out for the rest to see " , just better don't over complicate it to something its not , they didn't "expose" nothing in MVP. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:42 sc14s wrote: They were the same in Fnatic (Notail & Fly obviously) I think sticking with the same guys for a long time really is important as teamwork really is what makes dota tick. I think this tournament and patch are really showing the importance of having a cohesive style and adapting that to the meta instead of vice versa, swapping players and finding new styles constantly. I'm disappointed that Secret's out but I think it's good going forward if the teams that are winning have stuck together and teams that lose constantly change players. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote: MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly. MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:49 bluzi wrote: Part of the sheeps? I was the only one saying this and now everyone and their mother goes down this route. Not you though, who somehow try to take the high stance. The fact you fell for the "MVP always does the same thing so they will get mapped out" indicates your lack of knowledge or you are part of the sheeps , they have a variety of strategy they run REALLY well with tons of heroes combinations , no one is mapping them down or BS like that , OG were just better this series its not about figuring them out or anything else , its not like they are drafting the same thing (like my team does usually) and only win because of 1 certain way of playing , they have games they go late , early , push , team fighting. tldr - OG were better but not because they "figured them out for the rest to see " , just better don't over complicate it to something its not , they didn't "expose" nothing in MVP. They do the same thing over and over again. If you actually knew anything about DotA you would see this. "They were not figured out, OG just playing better" is the answer from someone who is clueless. Sorry. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:52 roronoe wrote: Serious: anyone think fnatic has a chance? You have to justify your reasoning though. I think they do, since they have the potential to throw Newbee off guard with classic fnatic niche picks.. chance isnt that high tho While No one seems to give them more than 0% to win i give them about 15-20% | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote: MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that. I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:49 Kishin2 wrote: I think this tournament and patch are really showing the importance of having a cohesive style and adapting that to the meta instead of vice versa, swapping players and finding new styles constantly. I'm disappointed that Secret's out but I think it's good going forward if the teams that are winning have stuck together and teams that lose constantly change players. Actually, it's far more "draft synergy" than anything else in the current Meta. Your heroes have to work together. As in fairly strong 2-3 hero pairings, with support from the other 2. It's rare, among the top 20 teams, to win a match without really strong synergy. Obviously, some bad early rotations can get you snowballed, but, for the most part, unless you have good synergy in the draft & the coordination to back it up, you're going to get run over. Hard. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:55 Gear 3rd wrote: I think they do, since they have the potential to throw Newbee off guard with classic fnatic niche picks.. chance isnt that high tho While No one seems to give them more than 0% to win i give them about 15-20% I don't know, fnatic does so many big mistakes in game. Their series against LGD was actually pretty low level compared to all other winner bracket series. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:56 bourne117 wrote: I would agree they can be very tilty to an extent but I don't think its from a bad laning phase. Go watch game 1 vs EG in the group stage. They were getting ROLLED in the laning stage and then as soon as they started fighting EG was just completely done for. MVP got tilted today but it wasn't from a laning stage issue but from the way the first couple fights went game 1. They were uncharacteristically bad for MVP. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they just looked completely lost. I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:59 nojok wrote: I don't know, fnatic does so many big mistakes in game. Their series against LGD was actually pretty low level compared to all other winner bracket series. LGD was the weakest team to win their Group. They did just enough (and MVP & EG made just enough mistakes) that they came out on top. Fnatic beating them wasn't too surprising. Though LGD always makes you look messy to beat them. Newbee is a much, much better team, though. Unless Fnatic can throw off the early rotations of Newbee, they're going to be picked apart pretty easily. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote: I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. yeah agree. MVP basicly looked really shaky the whole tournament except for that one series vs Liquid ( ). I had them going out between 12th and 8th place after seeing them in the groupstage and suddenly they show up vs Liquid and just dominate.And today it was back to what we saw them be like in the groupstage. If they play the same way vs LGD/VGR I'd say they're certainly the underdog again. If they get their shit together and have another series like they did vs Liquid they're going to shit on either LGD or VGR | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote: They are not gonna beat LGD.I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. | ||
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On June 09 2016 19:59 Taf the Ghost wrote: I agree, but MVP has actually had a pretty bad tournament. They really, really should have gone out 4th in their group. They had to pull off something that's only happened once before in LAN Dota, and that only happened because Julz couldn't land a Shallow Grave for 15 minutes. While they beat Liquid, it was really Liquid that looked unprepared and their carries were having a pretty bad day, far more than MVP was extremely smooth in their team-fighting. I still think MVP is going to be 3rd or 4th here at Manila, which is great for them, but they've got a lot of work to be ready to contend at TI6. They also should have closed out LGD in game 2 but choked HARD so it goes both ways. Also I think completely taking credit away from MVP in the liquid series is unfair. Game 1 they just flat out won. And game 2 they imo played the most impressive 40 or so minute stretch of dota I have ever seen. Down 2 sets of rax they took pretty much all but one fight perfectly. Could liquid have played better that game and forced a game 3 yes but liquid made one big mistake where they did the multiple buybacks trying to get the megas and after that MVP gave them no chances. To do that against one of the best teams at the tournament is seriously impressive. Also 3rd and especially 4th for MVP isn't great. They got 4th at shanghai and have been playing better since then. 4th which they are very likely to get at the very least is basically just maintaining what they did before which isn't really all that impressive. I'm curious why you think they have a long way to go for TI though. They are still easily a tier 1 team who is capable of beating any team on a given day. What makes you think that will change so drastically in 2 months they won't even be able to contend? | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:04 Toadesstern wrote: yeah agree. MVP basicly looked really shaky the whole tournament except for that one series vs Liquid ( ). I had them going out between 12th and 8th place after seeing them in the groupstage and suddenly they show up vs Liquid and just dominate.And today it was back to what we saw them be like in the groupstage. If they play the same way vs LGD/VGR I'd say they're certainly the underdog again. If they get their shit together and have another series like they did vs Liquid they're going to shit on either LGD or VGR Today was much worse showing than anything from the group stage for MVP. MVP should have won game 2 vs LGD but threw HARD. SEA teams have always played MVP much better than anyone else and MVP wasn't at their best so almost losing to mineiski isn't THAT surprising. Then they made EG look like an even worse team than they are. It was a below average performance for MVP. Today was the worse I have seen MVP play on lan in a LONG time. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:10 bourne117 wrote: Today was much worse showing than anything from the group stage for MVP. MVP should have won game 2 vs LGD but threw HARD. SEA teams have always played MVP much better than anyone else and MVP wasn't at their best so almost losing to mineiski isn't THAT surprising. Then they made EG look like an even worse team than they are. It was a below average performance for MVP. Today was the worse I have seen MVP play on lan in a LONG time. well yeah, but OG is just on a different level than anyone else in MVP's group was | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:10 bourne117 wrote: Today was much worse showing than anything from the group stage for MVP. MVP should have won game 2 vs LGD but threw HARD. SEA teams have always played MVP much better than anyone else and MVP wasn't at their best so almost losing to mineiski isn't THAT surprising. Then they made EG look like an even worse team than they are. It was a below average performance for MVP. Today was the worse I have seen MVP play on lan in a LONG time. Well OG played perfectly, specially in game 2. MVP did not play that bad, they got outlaned and OG offered them absolutely nothing to come back, not a single opening, and pushed their advantage very cleanly. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:13 Mafe wrote: Is this aa pick hinting at a global strategy or more a reaction to newbees picks? Think its just a reaction pick to DP/Naix. Prevents some of their healing and they're fairly immobile so you can hit them easily. I'm lacking some kind of setup though, hitting AA ult without setup can be hard. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:15 Gear 3rd wrote: oh boy i dont know about this... pl and sf will get shredded to pieces once on of them gets roared Yeah, thinking the same. Fnatics draft leaves them with almost no defensive abilities. Unless es gets an aghs or has perfect positioning. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:18 roronoe wrote: this sf looks like something mushi wants rather than something they picked cause it's good Fnatic has made a lot of SEA teams look really stupid with SF lately. There's a lot more Stacking happening in the early game, but it normally works better against a line-up that does well with an early BKB. BKB ain't doing too much against Newbee. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:20 Tegenaria wrote: I am happy to see a team remenber that SF exist. He is still a f*cking good mid game hero IMO yeah, but all of newbee's heroes this game are pretty good vs sf unfortunately | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:19 juff wrote: i feel like mushi picks SF vs weaver just to try to recreate his ti3 moment LOL I remember that game. It was Burning on weaver, right? Althought if he wanted to recreate that game, they would have Slardar, DS, Nyx. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:14 nojok wrote: Well OG played perfectly, specially in game 2. MVP did not play that bad, they got outlaned and OG offered them absolutely nothing to come back, not a single opening, and pushed their advantage very cleanly. I strongly disagree that MVP didn't play that bad. Maybe the overall game wasn't that bad but what makes MVP a tier 1 team is their fighting. If MVP isn't able to fight well they are very bad. Today their teamfight execution looked much worse than I have ever seen from them. MVP is normally one of the best teamfighting teams in dota and today they weren't even close to that. They just weren't playing together in the fights. Missing spells. That isn't the normal MVP or even remotely close to it. Even in the group stage when they weren't looking great they were taking fights MUCH better than that. | ||
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SOMEONE LEARNED! I'm not a Newbee fan, but that gank is something Chuan does every damn game on Dire. Almost by clockwork. And no one is damn prepared for it. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:28 Kreb wrote: Lifestealer getting all this space completely on his own without a single bit of help in Newbees offlane is surely a mistake from Fnatic.... this tri-core just needs to go late so its okay for naix to farm when he will get shredded if the enemy team farms into the late game. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:30 sc14s wrote: this tri-core just needs to go late so its okay for naix to farm when he will get shredded if the enemy team farms into the late game. But then Kpii has to carry Newbee. That's going to end badly. Just saying. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:30 sc14s wrote: this tri-core just needs to go late so its okay for naix to farm when he will get shredded if the enemy team farms into the late game. I mean Fnatic shouldve done more to stop it. Putting PL/NP + supp there to begin with for example. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:35 Ramiz1989 wrote: Why is this stream still so laggy? It gets choppy every few seconds. :/ Either try streaming twitch through VLC or something (thats what i'm doing atm) or youtube was working well but the sound desync was really getting to me. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:35 Ramiz1989 wrote: Why is this stream still so laggy? It gets choppy every few seconds. :/ Try turning off the chat. No automod bot is making it laggy with all the emote spam. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:36 Aceace wrote: Radiance with offlane Naix? Newbee having a good time! Came at the cost of the Death Prophet, though. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:36 juff wrote: why did SF get bkb? He's the bridge to Fnatic's late game with Prophet / PL. He has to be as strong as possible for mid game fights so that Fnatic can win late with their other two cores, and to do that he needs to ulti, for which he needs BKB. | ||
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He fucked up some skills in the early game, but I thought OK, it happens. But now? Escaping first instead of trying to buy time for his cores? What the hell? | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:47 RxMidnight wrote: Did not expect 2 rax off of just 1 teamfight so early. See things differently : newbee won all teamfights, they take rax. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:38 MetalMercury wrote: He's the bridge to Fnatic's late game with Prophet / PL. He has to be as strong as possible for mid game fights so that Fnatic can win late with their other two cores, and to do that he needs to ulti, for which he needs BKB. ? they have 2 bkb piercing stun/ministun lol the threat of bkb blink requiem is quite low | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:47 traumatism wrote: I just tuned in. Is that... is that a Radiance lifestealer winning? Solo offlane radiance lifestealer to be precise. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:48 woojaekeem wrote: ? they have 2 bkb piercing stun/ministun lol the threat of bkb blink requiem is quite low I never said it was good, I'm just telling him why he went BKB. This is exactly the reason they did it. | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:52 Toadesstern wrote: @people doing Liquipeda-stuff: You have MVP in the upper part of the lower bracket vs the winner from the Liquid/Navi game. They should be in the lower parts. At least it has been that way previously and the bracket contest thread claims there's going to be that swap as well Refresh? It shows them against the winner of VG.R & LGD on the page that loads for me. | ||
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MSanch
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On June 09 2016 20:52 Toadesstern wrote: @people doing Liquipeda-stuff: You have MVP in the upper part of the lower bracket vs the winner from the Liquid/Navi game. They should be in the lower parts. At least it has been that way previously and the bracket contest thread claims there's going to be that swap as well This error only exist when you are not connected on liquipedia. When you are connected MVP is on the bottom bracket! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 09 2016 20:53 MSanch wrote: This error only exist when you are not connected on liquipedia. When you are connected MVP is on the bottom bracket! lol, seriously? Why? yeah you're right, refreshing doesn't work but logging in did the trick. NVM in that case | ||
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roronoe
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 09 2016 20:54 Toadesstern wrote: lol, seriously? Why? yeah you're right, refreshing doesn't work but logging in did the trick. NVM in that case Tbh it was never wrong for me. Which gave me a bit of a startle because I wasnt paying attention and filled out the rest of my bracket wrong. Then again its my fault for not paying attention | ||
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phantomlancer23
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Elurie
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nojok
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maze.
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Slomo
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Pandemona
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Pandemona
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Oh god its return of Chaun Lina xD | ||
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Gear 3rd
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sacrilegious
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haduken
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Gear 3rd
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E: welp nvm | ||
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haduken
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almost always get some thing out of it | ||
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Dysisa
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nojok
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On June 09 2016 21:31 Dysisa wrote: Holy shit Newbee drafted my waifu, fuck all the other teams I'm cheering for Newbee. Lina pickers unite. True nipples fan. | ||
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roronoe
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shad2810
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Ufnal
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Pandemona
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Daralii
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On June 09 2016 21:33 Ufnal wrote: Is it Mushi playing bad or the rest of the team not bothering to protect him from 3-4-people ganks? He's playing badly, as usual. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:33 Ufnal wrote: Is it Mushi playing bad or the rest of the team not bothering to protect him from 3-4-people ganks? Newbee plays defensive in the mid-game, so they over-rotate to Tower Pushes or attempted ganks. (MVP-like, in that matter.) Fnatic has over-extended into Newbee. You need good vision to do that. | ||
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shad2810
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:33 Ufnal wrote: Is it Mushi playing bad or the rest of the team not bothering to protect him from 3-4-people ganks? every game he seems to make one or two mindboggling suicides | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:22 sacrilegious wrote: I wake up to see DC got eliminated... I swear if Liquid also get eliminated tomorrow I'm done with this tournament There's always navi you can support, even if we're the team that knock yours out. | ||
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Gear 3rd
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Pandemona
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On June 09 2016 21:39 DucK- wrote: There's always navi you can support, even if we're the team that knock yours out. Not sure who yet but NaVi and Alliance either of those is the equivalent of cheering on Liverpool, you just can't do it no matter what is at stake | ||
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Ufnal
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Pandemona
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Though that could be pretty bad for them. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:40 Pandemona wrote: Not sure who yet but NaVi and Alliance either of those is the equivalent of cheering on Liverpool, you just can't do it no matter what is at stake Naw I'm fine with cheering for Liverpool. Only team I won't cheer is man u :D | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:40 Pandemona wrote: Not sure who yet but NaVi and Alliance either of those is the equivalent of cheering on Liverpool, you just can't do it no matter what is at stake Alliance won things not all that long ago, so it definitely can't be them at least. | ||
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Exoteric
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roronoe
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Ufnal
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Pandemona
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On June 09 2016 21:43 Dysisa wrote: Alliance won things not all that long ago, so it definitely can't be them at least. Haha :D | ||
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roronoe
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Elurie
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Ufnal
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an00bis
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Their naga games are always so shaky and not so convincing. | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:52 Ufnal wrote: Twitch chat is so infuriating sometimes, yesterday everybody was all "DJ ROCKS" and now 1 screwup and there;s "DJ BJ" and "DJ 1k MMR" constantly. >:/ You expected Twitch chat to be.... rational? | ||
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Gear 3rd
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E: Srsly i am so impressed by my talent on always posting when a new thread page opens :DD | ||
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LennX
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:55 Gear 3rd wrote: The main problem for Newbee imo is invoker here. While naga caught up pretty nicely, Invoker never seemed to come online at all. close to being sole food for slark Naga also eats up not just farm, but really hurts the EXP gain. It's why Newbee is 10k behind right now. Almost 15k. | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:55 LennX wrote: this game is so boring. lets theorycraft how will mushi die next.... Falling into the pit that appears after enemy Ancient falls down? EDIT: Never was a good prophet | ||
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
On June 09 2016 21:55 LennX wrote: this game is so boring. lets theorycraft how will mushi die next.... right as you say that..... | ||
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LennX
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giggling like a little girl now | ||
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lolfail9001
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Asha
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hfglgg
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Gear 3rd
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cecek
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Daray
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Exoteric
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Taf the Ghost
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I had just read that comment, as well, then Mushi got exploded. | ||
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Danzo
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Ramiz1989
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On June 09 2016 21:59 cecek wrote: wtf was the plan there? Go for a 2v5 fight without buybacks and hope it works out? They should've absolutely given away the lane. I agree in a way, but playing against farmed Naga while being down a lane(even 1 rax) is really difficult. | ||
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RxMidnight
United States251 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
They needed to sack the bottom barracks and wait for midone, instead they dieback and just lose immediately | ||
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Testuser
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
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Ah well, nonetheless the dream is still alive in lower bracket ..will have to fight tommorow .. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:00 Ramiz1989 wrote: I agree in a way, but playing against farmed Naga while being down a lane(even 1 rax) is really difficult. They had a NP on their team and creeps were hitting Newbee's tier 3 tower. I'm sure they could've at least traded 2 rax for 1 or just lose one lane and force NB to tp back. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:06 cecek wrote: They had a NP on their team and creeps were hitting Newbee's tier 3 tower. I'm sure they could've at least traded 2 rax for 1 or just lose one lane and force NB to tp back. That was the play I was also thinking why ohaiyo didn't do .they could have e sacced racks for atleast a tier 3 tower from newbee..instead they tried to manup. | ||
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Elurie
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shad2810
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:06 Kamisamanachi wrote: ^ this guy seems to be one of the most butthurt people on every LR thread..lmao .it's like mushi did some horrible things to him in his dreams . Well I can understand his sentiment. I'm not a fan of what mushi does either. Keeps making teams, ditching them, remaking them and ditching again. And then the recent situation of kicking net. Net didn't die for this : / And right now he's just not good enough to play mid at a tier 1 level. | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:11 roronoe wrote: Well I can understand his sentiment. I'm not a fan of what mushi does either. Keeps making teams, ditching them, remaking them and ditching again. And then the recent situation of kicking net. Net didn't die for this : / And right now he's just not good enough to play mid at a tier 1 level. Well he was good enough yesterday when they defeated LGD, no? | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:02 Kamisamanachi wrote: That game was soo well held by fnatic until that fight happened..pretty disappointed with 343's hawk placements ..mushi didn't even realize what came towards him from trees .. Ah well, nonetheless the dream is still alive in lower bracket ..will have to fight tommorow .. 343's hawks were having problems most of that game. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:11 roronoe wrote: Well I can understand his sentiment. I'm not a fan of what mushi does either. Keeps making teams, ditching them, remaking them and ditching again. And then the recent situation of kicking net. Net didn't die for this : / And right now he's just not good enough to play mid at a tier 1 level. Pretty sure his performance has been pretty good this tournament ..either u are blind or are watching different player. and he makes teams because every player wants to fight at big tournaments with full potential. And in this case he is the player around which fnatic built their team and the team is quite stable since ti5 with 1 or 2 changes which happen in every team..changing a player from the roster doesn't mean changing entire team pretty sure every captain makes changes to the team including ppd, Puppey(even harsher changes ) doesn't mean thay are absolute scums of this world .. people just find 100 reasons to flame some players who are famous that they find some weird excuses . | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On June 09 2016 22:18 Taf the Ghost wrote: 343's hawks were having problems most of that game. Yea , I also felt like apart from that arly hawk giving fnatic vision in midlane , his hawk vision was pretty bad. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:11 roronoe wrote: Well I can understand his sentiment. I'm not a fan of what mushi does either. Keeps making teams, ditching them, remaking them and ditching again. And then the recent situation of kicking net. Net didn't die for this : / And right now he's just not good enough to play mid at a tier 1 level. Exactly, though my only issue was the net incident. I keep my DK flair because I think DK2014 is the best dota team ever, but sadly they choked when it mattered. Mushi was on that team, and I supported him despite his drop in form. I don't have anything against Mushi prior to net. | ||
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Nymzee
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
They almost made a miraculous hold at the tier 3 with just 3 heroes, but the buyback + tp in sealed their fate. Given what I've seen, I don't think Newbee is invincible and I also think Fnatic or Liquid is gonna be the third place team. They can't lose sight of the big picture: it's pretty amazing how much they've improved since Epicenter, and I honestly think that a bit more time and they are a team I think could potentially win TI. | ||
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:21 Kamisamanachi wrote: Pretty sure his performance has been pretty good this tournament ..either u are blind or are watching different player. and he makes teams because every player wants to fight at big tournaments with full potential. And in this case he is the player around which fnatic built their team and the team is quite stable since ti5 with 1 or 2 changes which happen in every team..changing a player from the roster doesn't mean changing entire team pretty sure every captain makes changes to the team including ppd, Puppey(even harsher changes ) doesn't mean thay are absolute scums of this world .. people just find 100 reasons to flame some players who are famous that they find some weird excuses . I don't think roster changes aren't a big deal either for the reasons you mentioned. Secret didn't do anything wrong. Though the net situation was kind of stretching the rules, leaving him without a chance to play after roster lock. But I disagree about mushi's skill being adequate right now. I doubt either of us can convince the other, so I'll just leave it at that. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:37 roronoe wrote: I don't think roster changes aren't a big deal either for the reasons you mentioned. Secret didn't do anything wrong. Though the net situation was kind of stretching the rules, leaving him without a chance to play after roster lock. But I disagree about mushi's skill being adequate right now. I doubt either of us can convince the other, so I'll just leave it at that. He either won mid or broke out even during most of matches I saw them play . What is bad skills in that ? Yeah, his mid game decisions might not have been best sometimes. But he is one of the only player who doesn't need supports to camp mid to help him. He is known for his self sufficient laning and he does that almost every game.. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:37 MetalMercury wrote: Honestly this is gonna sound weird but I think that second game really demonstrated Fnatic's biggest flaw: they make poor decisions about defending towers when they have lineups that aren't well suited to defending them given the game state. Luckily for them, this is a fixable mistake if they really analyze their replays. They almost made a miraculous hold at the tier 3 with just 3 heroes, but the buyback + tp in sealed their fate. Given what I've seen, I don't think Newbee is invincible and I also think Fnatic or Liquid is gonna be the third place team. They can't lose sight of the big picture: it's pretty amazing how much they've improved since Epicenter, and I honestly think that a bit more time and they are a team I think could potentially win TI. Yes.i also think they need to seriously improve their mid to late game descsion making.sometimes they make some game winning decisions but sometimes their decisions are rough ..they are one of the most improved team . They just need that one extra push on how to tackle some situations..I also have fnatic as 2nd place team this tournament ..hope they come out calm tommorow . | ||
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WindWolf
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LennX
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It begins lolololoool | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:50 WindWolf wrote: Everyone in twitter is Tweeting "abandoned" right now. What is going on? Secret and EG just lost their TI invite lmao...hahaha | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On June 09 2016 22:52 LennX wrote: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/510080-universe-to-eg-bulba-to-secret It begins lolololoool What the actual @#$% O.o | ||
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