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On June 09 2016 19:41 Jayme wrote:They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts.
They were the same in Fnatic (Notail & Fly obviously)
I think sticking with the same guys for a long time really is important as teamwork really is what makes dota tick.
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On June 09 2016 19:41 Jayme wrote:They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts.
Haven't MVP been together just as long? Same with Liquid and Alliance. All have been together since TI5.
Also does anyone know what side of the bracket MVP will go to? Do they play winner of Navi TL or LGD VGR?
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What OG achieve they achieve through the power of friendship
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On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too.
When MVP not having any other strat or plan B, it will fall apart, and they can't adjust. They live and die by trying to bulldozer teams, through timing attacks.
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On June 09 2016 19:40 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:39 Kishin2 wrote:
Is Fnatic vs Newbee even worth watching? There's ~0% Newbee loses right? Probably, fnatic is still fun to watch tho.
Fnatic has a better chance than LGD was going to have. So I'm happy Fnatic beat them, but there's maybe a 20% chance Fnatic pulls it off.
Still, go Fnatic!
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On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too.
MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly.
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hao mu #1 friendship
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On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly.
calm down huk lel
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On June 09 2016 19:43 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:41 Jayme wrote:On June 09 2016 19:35 LennX wrote:
So many "teamwork" comments They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts. Haven't MVP been together just as long? Same with Liquid and Alliance. All have been together since TI5. Also does anyone know what side of the bracket MVP will go to? Do they play winner of Navi TL or LGD VGR?
To avoid a certain amount of repeat matchups, it's generally the Winner's Semi-Finals loser goes to the "opposite" side of the Lower Bracket. So it *should* be that MVP plays the winner of LGD vs VG.R. Which pretty much means unless YOLO.MVP shows up tomorrow, they'll be Top 4 again.
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On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too.
The fact you fell for the "MVP always does the same thing so they will get mapped out" indicates your lack of knowledge or you are part of the sheeps , they have a variety of strategy they run REALLY well with tons of heroes combinations , no one is mapping them down or BS like that , OG were just better this series its not about figuring them out or anything else , its not like they are drafting the same thing (like my team does usually) and only win because of 1 certain way of playing , they have games they go late , early , push , team fighting.
tldr - OG were better but not because they "figured them out for the rest to see " , just better don't over complicate it to something its not , they didn't "expose" nothing in MVP.
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On June 09 2016 19:42 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:41 Jayme wrote:On June 09 2016 19:35 LennX wrote:
So many "teamwork" comments They get to say that as they've been together as one complete roster for nearly a year. That's really really rare these days. It just struck me how long OG has had the same roster compared to everyone else. It's nuts. They were the same in Fnatic (Notail & Fly obviously) I think sticking with the same guys for a long time really is important as teamwork really is what makes dota tick.
I think this tournament and patch are really showing the importance of having a cohesive style and adapting that
to the meta instead of vice versa, swapping players and finding new styles constantly.
I'm disappointed that Secret's out but I think it's good going forward if the teams that are winning have stuck together and teams that lose constantly change players.
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On June 09 2016 19:47 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. MVP execution in fights was HORRENDOUS compared to how they normally are. When MVP is playing well they are top 3 teamfighting teams in the world easily. Today they looked just lost in fights. Like they would miss a lot of their spells have people escape with barely any hp regularly. The reason MVP is a good team isn't the aggression so much as how good they are in the actual fights. They take fights other teams can't and win them handily a lot. Today they weren't even close to that level. OG obviously deserves a ton of credit for reading MVPs movement but stuff like axe just flat wiffing his cull when he could have waited 1 second for ember to chain and then do it isn't something OG forced on them but just MVP playing poorly.
MVP is actually a really tilt-y team. A bad laning phase (which happened twice), tends to throw off their execution. And that supremely smooth team-fight execution is what wins them games. It's also why there's no "decent days" for them. They're either riding High or being rolled over. Though the fact they don't give up is to their credit. Fantasy GG Timing and all that.
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Dunno why I think about this now but I miss iceiceice at tournaments 
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I love this production. <3
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Serious: anyone think fnatic has a chance?
You have to justify your reasoning though.
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Mu didn't win TI4 apparently ...
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On June 09 2016 19:49 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 19:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 19:41 ncsix wrote:
oh well.. the terribad MVP turned up today. At least they have 1 more chance to get their shit together. It ain't over yet.
OG made them "terribad". When a team is that predictable, you are bound to map them down. Happened to CDEC too. The fact you fell for the "MVP always does the same thing so they will get mapped out" indicates your lack of knowledge or you are part of the sheeps , they have a variety of strategy they run REALLY well with tons of heroes combinations , no one is mapping them down or BS like that , OG were just better this series its not about figuring them out or anything else , its not like they are drafting the same thing (like my team does usually) and only win because of 1 certain way of playing , they have games they go late , early , push , team fighting. tldr - OG were better but not because they "figured them out for the rest to see " , just better don't over complicate it to something its not , they didn't "expose" nothing in MVP. Part of the sheeps? I was the only one saying this and now everyone and their mother goes down this route. Not you though, who somehow try to take the high stance.
They do the same thing over and over again. If you actually knew anything about DotA you would see this.
"They were not figured out, OG just playing better" is the answer from someone who is clueless. Sorry.
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How is stating the average number of heroes hit by blackhole ever relevant. And then you gotta further decrease its relevance by stating the average number of heroes hit by a specific number of blackholes in a game.
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On June 09 2016 19:52 roronoe wrote:
Serious: anyone think fnatic has a chance?
You have to justify your reasoning though.
I think they do, since they have the potential to throw Newbee off guard with classic fnatic niche picks.. chance isnt that high tho
While No one seems to give them more than 0% to win i give them about 15-20%
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It is really not impressive to criticize aspects of a team after a loss, or find things to praise after a win. This kind of analysis gets you to frontpage of reddit or on the panel of TI, but finding plausible reasons for why a team lost is the easiest thing in the universe
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