On May 16 2016 01:59 wuhan_clan wrote:
Swindlez has a point here but it's being misunderstood.

He is correct in saying that China teams can find the strong picks (that become meta picks) before other regions.
He is also correct in stating that Chinese teams almost never bring out a pocket strat in the middle of a tournament. They typically do not throw out a weird draft with heroes no where close to the meta.

Godz is also correct in saying that it's hard to lump all Chinese teams (or even Western teams) into one category. The old DK was absurdly versatile at drafting (under Lanm only) but teams who will take draft risks like that are very rare (even in the West).

if i must do a shitty generalization, this would be a typical situation:

top6 teams remain in big tourney, 4 chinese teams + 2 western teams:

when chinese playing against chinese, they dont need pocket strats, they know each other well enough that they would just just pick whatever that works, maybe some non-standard picks here and there, but it wont be 'surprise pick' level of kind of surprise; when chinese plays against western team, if they are not already beating them with proven X strat already, they would go for their best line up that they want and do their best, again, maybe some non-standard picks here and there, but it wont be 'surprise pick' level of kind of surprise.

when western teams try to win over a stronger chinese team, guess what? obviously they are going to try some 'pocket strat' lol, if they won, they are 'think outside of box', if they lost, nobody remembers anyway. and if western team plays against western team, yup, i dont remember what kind of groundbreaking strat they will use in such situation, same thing when chinese team vs chinese team, they know each other well what not pick etc.

so a subpar player like swendle would think 'chinese teams don't bring up pocket strat in big match' actually holds some 'truth' but he got it from the worst possible observation.

Are you trying to be Chinarkon?

added tldr in the end just in case for that lol

like, seriously, top6 teams 4 chinese 2 west, what would do you in such underdog situation

I'm with you on this one, as long as we have good teams on both sides to keep the rivalry alive, I'm fine.

Vaelone

Finland4400 Posts

May 15 2016 17:15 GMT

#6605

Whats with ward on top lane, makes no sense to me.

malcram

2752 Posts

May 15 2016 17:16 GMT

#6606

is the cast in-game constantly breaking

edit: nvm, seems i'm suffering from packet loss

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 15 2016 17:16 GMT

#6607

kpii gets a great block bottom with his tidehunter.
beastmaster has 68 damage at level one and easily chops down doom on the side of liquid. doom does disrupt the first easy level of bm while leveling scorched earth but he is sitting on low regen and his rotations are now quite limited to camping runes and peeking mid-tower, very obviously.

DP has been forced into missing creeps and puck is getting help from said doom.
3 minutes in, looking back at beastmaster jungling, he is scaling quite quickly at level 4, harking back to moon's performance some games ago.

at top lane, hao on juggernaut is getting good sidepulls and lifestealer is forced into the doom's role of camping top rune and soaking side pulls against juggernaut and lion.

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

May 15 2016 17:17 GMT

#6608

Beastmaster is literally enigma.

turpentine

1624 Posts

May 15 2016 17:19 GMT

#6609

What was doom trying to do, he was lvl 5

goody153

44237 Posts

May 15 2016 17:19 GMT

#6610

On May 16 2016 02:15 nojok wrote:

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On May 16 2016 02:11 BurningSera wrote:

On May 16 2016 02:09 nojok wrote:

On May 16 2016 02:08 BurningSera wrote:

Are you trying to be Chinarkon?

added tldr in the end just in case for that lol

like, seriously, top6 teams 4 chinese 2 west, what would do you in such underdog situation

I'm with you on this one, as long as we have good teams on both sides to keep the rivalry alive, I'm fine.

Indeed east vs west stuff is much more exciting than one scene being dominant (alliance vs navi, eg vs secret , IG vs DK etc etc )

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 15 2016 17:21 GMT

#6611

On May 16 2016 02:16 nanaoei wrote:
kpii gets a great block bottom with his tidehunter.
beastmaster has 68 damage at level one and easily chops down doom on the side of liquid. doom does disrupt the first easy level of bm while leveling scorched earth but he is sitting on low regen and his rotations are now quite limited to camping runes and peeking mid-tower, very obviously.

DP has been forced into missing creeps and puck is getting help from said doom.
3 minutes in, looking back at beastmaster jungling, he is scaling quite quickly at level 4, harking back to moon's performance some games ago.

at top lane, hao on juggernaut is getting good sidepulls and lifestealer is forced into the doom's role of camping top rune and soaking side pulls against juggernaut and lion.

for liquid's safelane, they are able to dive with lonedruid + rubick + doom and successfully get a kill on tidehunter with the help some rng, marking the death of that tower for the side of liquid.

it is now 7 minutes in, lone druid continues to outpace the juggernaut.
the first roar on screen ends up in a death for doom + puck for beastmaster's life. this happens at the highground of middle lane,

lifestealer is sitting on 2.3k networth, the same as a doom with quite some space to jungle and use devour on cooldown. the creepwaves top are not easy to contest as they are against juggernaut and lion is camping top as well.