On May 16 2016 01:59 wuhan_clan wrote:
Swindlez has a point here but it's being misunderstood.

He is correct in saying that China teams can find the strong picks (that become meta picks) before other regions.
He is also correct in stating that Chinese teams almost never bring out a pocket strat in the middle of a tournament. They typically do not throw out a weird draft with heroes no where close to the meta.

Godz is also correct in saying that it's hard to lump all Chinese teams (or even Western teams) into one category. The old DK was absurdly versatile at drafting (under Lanm only) but teams who will take draft risks like that are very rare (even in the West).

if i must do a shitty generalization, this would be a typical situation:

top6 teams remain in big tourney, 4 chinese teams + 2 western teams:

when chinese playing against chinese, they dont need pocket strats, they know each other well enough that they would just just pick whatever that works, maybe some non-standard picks here and there, but it wont be 'surprise pick' level of kind of surprise; when chinese plays against western team, if they are not already beating them with proven X strat already, they would go for their best line up that they want and do their best, again, maybe some non-standard picks here and there, but it wont be 'surprise pick' level of kind of surprise.

when western teams try to win over a stronger chinese team, guess what? obviously they are going to try some 'pocket strat' lol, if they won, they are 'think outside of box', if they lost, nobody remembers anyway. and if western team plays against western team, yup, i dont remember what kind of groundbreaking strat they will use in such situation, same thing when chinese team vs chinese team, they know each other well what not pick etc.

so a subpar player like swendle would think 'chinese teams don't bring up pocket strat in big match' actually holds some 'truth' but he got it from the worst possible observation.

Are you trying to be Chinarkon?

added tldr in the end just in case for that lol

like, seriously, top6 teams 4 chinese 2 west, what would do you in such underdog situation

Are you saying the only reason the west are trying pocket strats and weird picks is because they are underdogs?
What?
If you look at the most successful pocket strats in the past year, pretty much all of them came from the west or SEA. Including from teams that are absolutely not underdogs.
Huskar- dazzle, Meepo, Techies, Miracle Alch...

Chinese teams are not that innovative, mostly because their high level pubs are completely closed off to outside the box heroes (according to Winter you get reported for picking non meta heroes). You can argue that until last year they didn't need to be innovative to win but after a year of actually not winning anything they still haven't change their style.

nanaoei

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May 15 2016 17:35 GMT

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On May 16 2016 02:28 nanaoei wrote:

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midlane they engage on puck who dies slowly and claims beastmaster with him. tidehunter shows up and hits at least 3 with ravage and seconds later, a healthy deathprophet cleans up as liquid quickly tires to retreat and inevitably loses 4.

with the ultimates down, liquid moves middle again, newbee roars LD and kills him, barely keeping beastmaster alive again and lion dies despite the easy pickoff as liquid slowly trickles in.

13:30:
beastmaster greedily jungles and dies to a spellsteal from rubick and together with the stolen boar spell gets an easy solo kill, leading the rest of newbee on a wild goosechase for a good 10 seconds before getting zapped beyond death with nothing but a finger. newbee uses this opportunity (as DP ulti is up) to take a quick roshan and sweep through midlane to take a tower and a kill.

fata on puck has managed to pressure bottom t2 to half health but tps quickly to base because liquid themselves are being pressured at their middle t2.
lonedruid now has a full radiance tat 16:30.

tidehunter has made the mekanism for the team.

awkward engagement at radiant jungle involving DP, bm, and tidehunter.
dp is half health and doomed,
ravage used to buy space
stolen ravage!
beastmaster's life is claimed, but that is the only casualty as dp has a completed euls and survives long enough to walk away. her progression will lead her from euls to a full octarine this game.

4 concurrent tps at bottom to punish the t2 death at bottom, kaka gets tower and tps out in time!
shortly after at top, prophet is assassinated by 4 at the srecret shop despite a ward positioned at ancients. it's a bloodbath as they send lifestealer back to fountain and claim the t1.

liquid is pressuring mid tower at the same time but it is only kuro and newbee react in time to punish this attempt by tping away from top.

juggernaut now shifts his focus to radiant jungle that has an aggressive ward in place. he however, does not have omni up yet.
liquid smokes 5, but it gets sniffed and is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. juggernaut meanwhile has been farming the waves bottom until they reach past t2 area and tps back to his own jungle to continue farming, now leading the networth, 23minutes in.

the epicenter crowd starts chanting, ir ecall the casters losing their shit from all the way from the english casting desk for puck claiming an early boar kill at the start of the game.