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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4564 Posts
May 15 2016 17:31 GMT
#6641
How did kaka stay at HGT for so long ahhaa
Mute user function on TL; http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
May 15 2016 17:32 GMT
#6642
Liquid on Radiant 3 games now. Interesting
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
May 15 2016 17:32 GMT
#6643
game is hard for liquid
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 15 2016 17:33 GMT
#6644
On May 16 2016 02:31 LennX wrote:
How did kaka stay at HGT for so long ahhaa

Kaka was sooooooo good on HGT.

There was one year where he got sick and CTY subbed in and then HGT sucked.
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 15 2016 17:33 GMT
#6645
On May 16 2016 02:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 02:27 Daray wrote:
What the hell is this offlane naix going to do in this game?

Build deso and help bear kill towers.


Doesn't sound good when Newbee can just run at them.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
May 15 2016 17:33 GMT
#6646
On May 16 2016 02:31 LennX wrote:
How did kaka stay at HGT for so long ahhaa

all the top teams had good support duos and i think he had health problems at some point
FTD
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 15 2016 17:34 GMT
#6647
Newbee is going to get rolled by 6.87d.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 15 2016 17:34 GMT
#6648
On May 16 2016 02:33 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 02:31 LennX wrote:
How did kaka stay at HGT for so long ahhaa

Kaka was sooooooo good on HGT.

There was one year where he got sick and CTY subbed in and then HGT sucked.

It was also true back then that Chinese teams were reluctant to play with new talents.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 15 2016 17:35 GMT
#6649
On May 16 2016 02:34 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Newbee is going to get rolled by 6.87d.

Nerfed heroes prediction: Beastmaster, Phoenix, Lion, Disruptor, Doom.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
May 15 2016 17:35 GMT
#6650
On May 16 2016 02:11 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 02:09 nojok wrote:
On May 16 2016 02:08 BurningSera wrote:
On May 16 2016 01:59 wuhan_clan wrote:
Swindlez has a point here but it's being misunderstood.

He is correct in saying that China teams can find the strong picks (that become meta picks) before other regions.
He is also correct in stating that Chinese teams almost never bring out a pocket strat in the middle of a tournament. They typically do not throw out a weird draft with heroes no where close to the meta.

Godz is also correct in saying that it's hard to lump all Chinese teams (or even Western teams) into one category. The old DK was absurdly versatile at drafting (under Lanm only) but teams who will take draft risks like that are very rare (even in the West).


if i must do a shitty generalization, this would be a typical situation:

top6 teams remain in big tourney, 4 chinese teams + 2 western teams:

when chinese playing against chinese, they dont need pocket strats, they know each other well enough that they would just just pick whatever that works, maybe some non-standard picks here and there, but it wont be 'surprise pick' level of kind of surprise; when chinese plays against western team, if they are not already beating them with proven X strat already, they would go for their best line up that they want and do their best, again, maybe some non-standard picks here and there, but it wont be 'surprise pick' level of kind of surprise.

when western teams try to win over a stronger chinese team, guess what? obviously they are going to try some 'pocket strat' lol, if they won, they are 'think outside of box', if they lost, nobody remembers anyway. and if western team plays against western team, yup, i dont remember what kind of groundbreaking strat they will use in such situation, same thing when chinese team vs chinese team, they know each other well what not pick etc.

so a subpar player like swendle would think 'chinese teams don't bring up pocket strat in big match' actually holds some 'truth' but he got it from the worst possible observation.

Are you trying to be Chinarkon?


added tldr in the end just in case for that lol

like, seriously, top6 teams 4 chinese 2 west, what would do you in such underdog situation

Are you saying the only reason the west are trying pocket strats and weird picks is because they are underdogs?
What?
If you look at the most successful pocket strats in the past year, pretty much all of them came from the west or SEA. Including from teams that are absolutely not underdogs.
Huskar- dazzle, Meepo, Techies, Miracle Alch...

Chinese teams are not that innovative, mostly because their high level pubs are completely closed off to outside the box heroes (according to Winter you get reported for picking non meta heroes). You can argue that until last year they didn't need to be innovative to win but after a year of actually not winning anything they still haven't change their style.



"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 15 2016 17:35 GMT
#6651
On May 16 2016 02:28 nanaoei wrote:
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On May 16 2016 02:21 nanaoei wrote:
On May 16 2016 02:16 nanaoei wrote:
kpii gets a great block bottom with his tidehunter.
beastmaster has 68 damage at level one and easily chops down doom on the side of liquid. doom does disrupt the first easy level of bm while leveling scorched earth but he is sitting on low regen and his rotations are now quite limited to camping runes and peeking mid-tower, very obviously.

DP has been forced into missing creeps and puck is getting help from said doom.
3 minutes in, looking back at beastmaster jungling, he is scaling quite quickly at level 4, harking back to moon's performance some games ago.

at top lane, hao on juggernaut is getting good sidepulls and lifestealer is forced into the doom's role of camping top rune and soaking side pulls against juggernaut and lion.


for liquid's safelane, they are able to dive with lonedruid + rubick + doom and successfully get a kill on tidehunter with the help some rng, marking the death of that tower for the side of liquid.

it is now 7 minutes in, lone druid continues to outpace the juggernaut.
the first roar on screen ends up in a death for doom + puck for beastmaster's life. this happens at the highground of middle lane,

lifestealer is sitting on 2.3k networth, the same as a doom with quite some space to jungle and use devour on cooldown. the creepwaves top are not easy to contest as they are against juggernaut and lion is camping top as well.


midlane they engage on puck who dies slowly and claims beastmaster with him. tidehunter shows up and hits at least 3 with ravage and seconds later, a healthy deathprophet cleans up as liquid quickly tires to retreat and inevitably loses 4.

with the ultimates down, liquid moves middle again, newbee roars LD and kills him, barely keeping beastmaster alive again and lion dies despite the easy pickoff as liquid slowly trickles in.

13:30:
beastmaster greedily jungles and dies to a spellsteal from rubick and together with the stolen boar spell gets an easy solo kill, leading the rest of newbee on a wild goosechase for a good 10 seconds before getting zapped beyond death with nothing but a finger. newbee uses this opportunity (as DP ulti is up) to take a quick roshan and sweep through midlane to take a tower and a kill.

fata on puck has managed to pressure bottom t2 to half health but tps quickly to base because liquid themselves are being pressured at their middle t2.
lonedruid now has a full radiance tat 16:30.

tidehunter has made the mekanism for the team.



awkward engagement at radiant jungle involving DP, bm, and tidehunter.
dp is half health and doomed,
ravage used to buy space
stolen ravage!
beastmaster's life is claimed, but that is the only casualty as dp has a completed euls and survives long enough to walk away. her progression will lead her from euls to a full octarine this game.

4 concurrent tps at bottom to punish the t2 death at bottom, kaka gets tower and tps out in time!
shortly after at top, prophet is assassinated by 4 at the srecret shop despite a ward positioned at ancients. it's a bloodbath as they send lifestealer back to fountain and claim the t1.

liquid is pressuring mid tower at the same time but it is only kuro and newbee react in time to punish this attempt by tping away from top.

juggernaut now shifts his focus to radiant jungle that has an aggressive ward in place. he however, does not have omni up yet.
liquid smokes 5, but it gets sniffed and is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. juggernaut meanwhile has been farming the waves bottom until they reach past t2 area and tps back to his own jungle to continue farming, now leading the networth, 23minutes in.

the epicenter crowd starts chanting, ir ecall the casters losing their shit from all the way from the english casting desk for puck claiming an early boar kill at the start of the game.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
May 15 2016 17:35 GMT
#6652
gege
The Real Power~
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 15 2016 17:36 GMT
#6653
On May 16 2016 02:33 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 02:31 LennX wrote:
How did kaka stay at HGT for so long ahhaa

Kaka was sooooooo good on HGT.

There was one year where he got sick and CTY subbed in and then HGT sucked.


He's probably the best Support in China. He and Cty is why they were good.
luckbox181
Profile Joined May 2016
76 Posts
May 15 2016 17:36 GMT
#6654
Beastmaster is a disgusting hero.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4564 Posts
May 15 2016 17:36 GMT
#6655
On May 16 2016 02:33 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 02:31 LennX wrote:
How did kaka stay at HGT for so long ahhaa

Kaka was sooooooo good on HGT.

There was one year where he got sick and CTY subbed in and then HGT sucked.


Thought that happened because ZSMJ didnt have a great babysitter anymore. CTY is always decent for the 1st 6mins anyway
Mute user function on TL; http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
May 15 2016 17:36 GMT
#6656
hao is just going to town, his items last game and this lolol...
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
May 15 2016 17:36 GMT
#6657
atleast naix survived the lane until BM got 6, then he haven't done shit
in it for the game not for the .... - PMS Army. [WUFC-SDK. VIM. PMS]
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
May 15 2016 17:36 GMT
#6658
Jerax walking around with exorcism and stealing roar, but not enough to carry TL this time.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-15 17:36:58
May 15 2016 17:36 GMT
#6659
Matumba got a 1-minute later Radiance than his 3-4 minutes too late Radiance last game. Hero is now useless for the rest of the game.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
May 15 2016 17:37 GMT
#6660
we are cursed;(
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