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Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

April 24 2016 07:36 GMT

#361

This pick is so bad by Empire. Do they not understand what the other team is trying to do?

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

April 24 2016 07:37 GMT

#362

Well, Empire wins "draft of the tournament" if they somehow win with PA.

HammerKick

France6190 Posts

April 24 2016 07:38 GMT

#363

PA?

TheEmulator

28100 Posts

April 24 2016 07:39 GMT

#364

On April 24 2016 16:38 HammerKick wrote:
PA?

Good news for Liquid fans xD

1nobody

Czech Republic2040 Posts

April 24 2016 07:39 GMT

#365

WTF! Where is Slacks?

HammerKick

France6190 Posts

April 24 2016 07:40 GMT

#366

On April 24 2016 16:39 TheEmulator wrote:

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Good news for Liquid fans xD

Absolutly.

PhoenixVoid

Canada32747 Posts

April 24 2016 07:41 GMT

#367

MindControl has the longest name I've seen in a pro-game. He couldn't even fit in the whole thing.

"Liquid. Liquid MinD Con. HyperX"

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

April 24 2016 07:41 GMT

#368

On April 24 2016 16:30 Kamisamanachi wrote:

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On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:

On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:
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either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true.

either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it.

if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR.

They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite?

I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses.

Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams.

While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region.

i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic

Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi.

then if we go by this, the spot which people were discussing about going to col should go to fnatic. as i don't think OG , na'vi or alliance should get the invite above fnatic

No again because Fnatic is not competing with EU/na teams for spots. The sea region as a whole is still not doing good enough to deserve extra spots. However it is a sea major, so it is possible for extra representation from the region.

i am pretty sure valve doesn't think of regions while doing invite . the invites are given as a whole deserving team..putting a team out of invite range because their region is not doing that great is not what i imagine with these invites. and even casters are comparing col's invite with na'vi or other eu team..unless there is a policy from valve about regional invites, all teams from all region compete for 8 spots

Gotta be realistic though. If you're an organiser and you invite both MVP and Fnatic, that means that you're gonna have an additional 2 teams from the sea qualifiers. Who else in sea are good enough? 2 slots given away to random teams. You're just gonna dilute your tournament. The only way I see this happening is if only 1 team from sea qualifiers go to the major.

if you are a shady organizer, then yes. but the tournament is a valve tournament and i am of a thinking that why should fnatic be punished if their region has potential tier 3 teams besides them and mvp?i am pretty sure not inviting them because other teams will dilute the tournament is pretty cheap excuse

If we run down the list of invites and say we do it your way.

1. Secret
2. Eg
3. Liquid
4. MVP
5. Fnatic
6. VGR
7. Navi
8. Lgd/wings

Then we have the usual 2 teams from each region. NA has col + random na/sa stack. CN has newbee, cdec(s), vici, wing/lgd etc. Sea has nobody.

Eu has og alliance empire spirit diggity VP polarity Vega etc competing for just 2 spots. Can you imagine the uproar when you have 2 additional random sea teams instead of them?

This is a no brainer really. But if qualifier spots are transferred from sea/na to EU (maybe to cn as well, but doubtful), then maybe the list of invited are possible.

BurningSera

Ireland19621 Posts

April 24 2016 07:43 GMT

#369

i must be so out of meta, jungler NS hahahaha

TheEmulator

28100 Posts

April 24 2016 07:44 GMT

#370

On April 24 2016 16:43 BurningSera wrote:
i must be so out of meta, jungler NS hahahaha

I mean that's brand new afaik.

BurningSera

Ireland19621 Posts

April 24 2016 07:44 GMT

#371

On April 24 2016 16:44 TheEmulator wrote:

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I mean that's brand new afaik.

lol the casters sound like it is the most common thing tho

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

April 24 2016 07:45 GMT

#372

Holy shit!
MInd Control too strong

Salazarz

Korea (South)2591 Posts

April 24 2016 07:46 GMT

#373

Jungle/roaming NS isn't all that new. It's been around-ish if not very common ever since Iron Talon was added.

PhoenixVoid

Canada32747 Posts

April 24 2016 07:54 GMT

#374

Gotta go fast.

Salazarz

Korea (South)2591 Posts

April 24 2016 07:54 GMT

#375

Empire are actually so good. It's like that MVP run at Dotapit, things are just clicking for them. Can definitely see them winning the whole tournament if they keep their composure.

HammerKick

France6190 Posts

April 24 2016 07:54 GMT

#376

Super early radiance holy shit