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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#321
That's how you do it.
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#322
So rigged
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#323
--- Nuked ---
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#324
still think maelk did best lol
POGGERS
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3791 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#325
On April 24 2016 16:04 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 16:00 TheEmulator wrote:
On April 24 2016 16:00 haduken wrote:
who is the girl with the braces

She's there with Mineski is some capacity although I'm not sure what (manager or a girlfriend I'd assume).

I think she's an interviewer. She tweeted about getting one with Arteezy.



Mineski again? I remember the manager doing this last year. Cringeworthy but still good times.

I'm satisfied Tobi won even though I liked Winter a little more.
Ultimo Hombre
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia1436 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#326
tobi should be dq'ed, ridiculous
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#327
Pfft, Tobi had the weakest move of them all. This shit is rigged.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
April 24 2016 07:05 GMT
#328
RIGGED!!!!!!!!
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
April 24 2016 07:06 GMT
#329
More rigged than the US presidential election.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 24 2016 07:06 GMT
#330
this would be cringe tier if not done by this vin diesel host.
Rillanon.au
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 24 2016 07:07 GMT
#331
On April 24 2016 16:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 15:59 DucK- wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:42 mutantmagnet wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:40 DonDomingo wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:32 haduken wrote:
interestingly enough wings have lost the first game of all bo3 they've played this tournament.

they are adaptable in draft tho, unlike the burdens back home.


They seem to be decent at adapting. And also seem to be play better as the series goes on.

Though I'd love some detailed analysis how they get rolled so hard every game 1.

Not that much to say. Wings had Chen/necro pos 1; Fnatic had Ench/spec. A fight broke out at 0:00 - Fnatic got first blood and even ended up using way less regen after the fight - Chen got bullied by Ench who destroyed Necro - Ench had Phase when Necro was lvl 2 and had no way of laning - rest was just death animation.



But he's talking about every game 1 being a colossal failure. I think it's an exaggeration but Wings are doing something wrong with their opening games that is really inconsistent with how well they end up doing over time.


either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true.

either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it.

if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR.


They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite?


I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses.

Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams.

While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region.


i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic


Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 24 2016 07:07 GMT
#332
This host is indeed masterful.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
April 24 2016 07:07 GMT
#333
On April 24 2016 16:06 haduken wrote:
this would be cringe tier if not done by this vin diesel host.

this host is fucking amazing i hope he returns for manila major (doubt so since they're so strict on professionalism )
POGGERS
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
April 24 2016 07:08 GMT
#334
On April 24 2016 16:07 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 16:06 haduken wrote:
this would be cringe tier if not done by this vin diesel host.

this host is fucking amazing i hope he returns for manila major (doubt so since they're so strict on professionalism )

Valve continues to kill fun for everyone involved.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 24 2016 07:09 GMT
#335
On April 24 2016 16:07 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 16:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:59 DucK- wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:42 mutantmagnet wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:40 DonDomingo wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:32 haduken wrote:
interestingly enough wings have lost the first game of all bo3 they've played this tournament.

they are adaptable in draft tho, unlike the burdens back home.


They seem to be decent at adapting. And also seem to be play better as the series goes on.

Though I'd love some detailed analysis how they get rolled so hard every game 1.

Not that much to say. Wings had Chen/necro pos 1; Fnatic had Ench/spec. A fight broke out at 0:00 - Fnatic got first blood and even ended up using way less regen after the fight - Chen got bullied by Ench who destroyed Necro - Ench had Phase when Necro was lvl 2 and had no way of laning - rest was just death animation.



But he's talking about every game 1 being a colossal failure. I think it's an exaggeration but Wings are doing something wrong with their opening games that is really inconsistent with how well they end up doing over time.


either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true.

either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it.

if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR.


They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite?


I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses.

Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams.

While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region.


i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic


Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi.


then if we go by this, the spot which people were discussing about going to col should go to fnatic. as i don't think OG , na'vi or alliance should get the invite above fnatic
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 24 2016 07:09 GMT
#336
neeman , the comedian strikes again..
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
April 24 2016 07:09 GMT
#337
On April 24 2016 16:08 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 16:07 konadora wrote:
On April 24 2016 16:06 haduken wrote:
this would be cringe tier if not done by this vin diesel host.

this host is fucking amazing i hope he returns for manila major (doubt so since they're so strict on professionalism )

Valve continues to kill fun for everyone involved.


Everything becomes political once there is enough money involved. Esports is not immune.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 07:14:25
April 24 2016 07:13 GMT
#338
On April 24 2016 16:09 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 16:07 DucK- wrote:
On April 24 2016 16:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:59 DucK- wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:42 mutantmagnet wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:40 DonDomingo wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:32 haduken wrote:
interestingly enough wings have lost the first game of all bo3 they've played this tournament.

they are adaptable in draft tho, unlike the burdens back home.


They seem to be decent at adapting. And also seem to be play better as the series goes on.

Though I'd love some detailed analysis how they get rolled so hard every game 1.

Not that much to say. Wings had Chen/necro pos 1; Fnatic had Ench/spec. A fight broke out at 0:00 - Fnatic got first blood and even ended up using way less regen after the fight - Chen got bullied by Ench who destroyed Necro - Ench had Phase when Necro was lvl 2 and had no way of laning - rest was just death animation.



But he's talking about every game 1 being a colossal failure. I think it's an exaggeration but Wings are doing something wrong with their opening games that is really inconsistent with how well they end up doing over time.


either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true.

either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it.

if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR.


They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite?


I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses.

Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams.

While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region.


i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic


Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi.


then if we go by this, the spot which people were discussing about going to col should go to fnatic. as i don't think OG , na'vi or alliance should get the invite above fnatic


Natus Vincere is going to get one for being the best team in their region unless Empire wins this tournament.

The others, however, are all up for decision now. This is why this lose by Fnatic made the invite difficult.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 24 2016 07:14 GMT
#339
On April 24 2016 15:44 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 15:43 Vertical wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:39 mutantmagnet wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:37 uriel- wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:35 Kraznaya wrote:
On April 24 2016 15:35 Azarkon wrote:
China above Southeast Asia for the first time since Shanghai.


VGR crushed MVP at SL



Shhhh his brain is overheating ATM



To be fair Azarkon isn't the only person on TL or Reddit who refuse to count Korea as part of SEA.

I get it when there is a very large scene like Starcraft and there are multiple top players from one country and it is more along the eastern sector than strictly in the South East area geographically.

he can think whatever he likes
but Valve and most of us will still consider them as SEA
he's not the center of the world, maybe the center of the joke


The problem with considering them Southeast Asia, is that they don't even play in Southeast Asia these days. They practiced on China for Shanghai, and are now in Europe practicing there. They're no longer a Southeast Asia team.

tell that to Valve, ESL, Epicenter, etc etc
-Terran-
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 24 2016 07:14 GMT
#340
esports is far from real sports tho..so , yes there can be a lot of fun involved unless valve decides to become jaded person
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
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