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On April 24 2016 16:09 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 16:07 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 16:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 15:59 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:On April 24 2016 15:42 mutantmagnet wrote:On April 24 2016 15:40 DonDomingo wrote:On April 24 2016 15:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:On April 24 2016 15:32 haduken wrote:
interestingly enough wings have lost the first game of all bo3 they've played this tournament.
they are adaptable in draft tho, unlike the burdens back home. They seem to be decent at adapting. And also seem to be play better as the series goes on. Though I'd love some detailed analysis how they get rolled so hard every game 1. Not that much to say. Wings had Chen/necro pos 1; Fnatic had Ench/spec. A fight broke out at 0:00 - Fnatic got first blood and even ended up using way less regen after the fight - Chen got bullied by Ench who destroyed Necro - Ench had Phase when Necro was lvl 2 and had no way of laning - rest was just death animation. But he's talking about every game 1 being a colossal failure. I think it's an exaggeration but Wings are doing something wrong with their opening games that is really inconsistent with how well they end up doing over time. either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true. either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it. if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR. They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite? I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses. Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams. While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region. i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi. then if we go by this, the spot which people were discussing about going to col should go to fnatic. as i don't think OG , na'vi or alliance should get the invite above fnatic
No again because Fnatic is not competing with EU/na teams for spots. The sea region as a whole is still not doing good enough to deserve extra spots. However it is a sea major, so it is possible for extra representation from the region.
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Lovin the boyguards escorting the teams to the stage lol.
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Feels like an MMA fight entrance lol.
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Only hi-5s the grill, well played jerax
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On April 24 2016 16:19 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 16:09 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 16:07 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 16:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 15:59 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:On April 24 2016 15:42 mutantmagnet wrote:On April 24 2016 15:40 DonDomingo wrote:On April 24 2016 15:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
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They seem to be decent at adapting. And also seem to be play better as the series goes on.
Though I'd love some detailed analysis how they get rolled so hard every game 1. Not that much to say. Wings had Chen/necro pos 1; Fnatic had Ench/spec. A fight broke out at 0:00 - Fnatic got first blood and even ended up using way less regen after the fight - Chen got bullied by Ench who destroyed Necro - Ench had Phase when Necro was lvl 2 and had no way of laning - rest was just death animation. But he's talking about every game 1 being a colossal failure. I think it's an exaggeration but Wings are doing something wrong with their opening games that is really inconsistent with how well they end up doing over time. either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true. either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it. if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR. They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite? I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses. Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams. While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region. i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi. then if we go by this, the spot which people were discussing about going to col should go to fnatic. as i don't think OG , na'vi or alliance should get the invite above fnatic No again because Fnatic is not competing with EU/na teams for spots. The sea region as a whole is still not doing good enough to deserve extra spots. However it is a sea major, so it is possible for extra representation from the region.
i am pretty sure valve doesn't think of regions while doing invite . the invites are given as a whole deserving team..putting a team out of invite range because their region is not doing that great is not what i imagine with these invites. and even casters are comparing col's invite with na'vi or other eu teams..unless there is a policy from valve about regional invites, all teams from all region compete for 8 spots ..and i am saying this while getting what u are trying to say.
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hoping for crazy 3 games, both these teams play so entertainingly well
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Tobi won the macho-man contest because of a hug.
Reported.
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Jerax is 23? He looked about 15 in that intro.
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This crowd is pretty electric tho
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is ramsze that lil kid playing with his legs up?
oh shit it is. He is only 16
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On April 24 2016 16:22 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 16:19 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 16:09 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 16:07 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 16:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 15:59 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:On April 24 2016 15:42 mutantmagnet wrote:On April 24 2016 15:40 DonDomingo wrote:
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Not that much to say. Wings had Chen/necro pos 1; Fnatic had Ench/spec. A fight broke out at 0:00 - Fnatic got first blood and even ended up using way less regen after the fight - Chen got bullied by Ench who destroyed Necro - Ench had Phase when Necro was lvl 2 and had no way of laning - rest was just death animation. But he's talking about every game 1 being a colossal failure. I think it's an exaggeration but Wings are doing something wrong with their opening games that is really inconsistent with how well they end up doing over time. either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true. either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it. if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR. They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite? I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses. Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams. While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region. i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi. then if we go by this, the spot which people were discussing about going to col should go to fnatic. as i don't think OG , na'vi or alliance should get the invite above fnatic No again because Fnatic is not competing with EU/na teams for spots. The sea region as a whole is still not doing good enough to deserve extra spots. However it is a sea major, so it is possible for extra representation from the region. i am pretty sure valve doesn't think of regions while doing invite . the invites are given as a whole deserving team..putting a team out of invite range because their region is not doing that great is not what i imagine with these invites. and even casters are comparing col's invite with na'vi or other eu team..unless there is a policy from valve about regional invites, all teams from all region compete for 8 spots
Gotta be realistic though. If you're an organiser and you invite both MVP and Fnatic, that means that you're gonna have an additional 2 teams from the sea qualifiers. Who else in sea are good enough? 2 slots given away to random teams. You're just gonna dilute your tournament. The only way I see this happening is if only 1 team from sea qualifiers go to the major.
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On April 24 2016 16:27 shouldbeworking wrote:
is ramsze that lil kid playing with his legs up?
oh shit it is. He is only 16
Wish I was short enough (or flexible enough) to sit like that, lol
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On April 24 2016 16:28 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 16:22 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 16:19 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 16:09 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 16:07 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 16:03 Kamisamanachi wrote:On April 24 2016 15:59 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 15:51 Azarkon wrote:On April 24 2016 15:49 haduken wrote:On April 24 2016 15:42 mutantmagnet wrote:
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But he's talking about every game 1 being a colossal failure. I think it's an exaggeration but Wings are doing something wrong with their opening games that is really inconsistent with how well they end up doing over time. either it's some sort of throw game, find out how your opponent play sort of thing which is pretty ballsy if true. either way why da fuq does col deserve an invite i don't get it. if wings win this tournament, not saying they win, it would be pretty double standard for them not to invite wings and invite VGR. They won't win, which is why it's going to be an issue, were Empire to not win. Invite Fnatic, and people will say - why did you invite Fnatic when they didn't win any tournament and lost to the team that you didn't invite? Invite Empire, and people will say - why would you invite this team that didn't win any tournament and didn't even play until one week before the invite? I think wings is fighting for an invite spot against their Chinese peers. If the other chinese teams have been shit, i don't see a reason not to invite wings. So far, only VGR have performed, while LGD and perhaps newbee have shown some glimpses. Similarly, why Fnatic won't get an invite is because of MVP. Why empire will likely not be invited is because of other EU teams. While it would be ideal to invite only the best teams around, realistically we know that there's quotas for each region. i dont think mvp will get an invite over fnatic tho..yeah, they finished one place above fnatic at shanghai, but have been losing to fnatic in almost every qualifiers since then (3 or 4 qualifiers grand finals) and on top of that they got out of starladder without winning a single map.and if anything valve did with last major with alliance invite is they gave weightage to tournament before major(WCA) and i am pretty sure if they count esl in, then fnatic should clearly get an invite over fnatic Then it would be grossly unfair for MVP. While it is a fact that MVP have been losing to Fnatic, you have to remember that so far the latter has only been dominating just the sea scene. Meanwhile MVP won a relatively stacked international tournament in dotapit. That alone should be given high weight. If Fnatic won this tournament, then you could argue for them. But they crashed out in the semi. then if we go by this, the spot which people were discussing about going to col should go to fnatic. as i don't think OG , na'vi or alliance should get the invite above fnatic No again because Fnatic is not competing with EU/na teams for spots. The sea region as a whole is still not doing good enough to deserve extra spots. However it is a sea major, so it is possible for extra representation from the region. i am pretty sure valve doesn't think of regions while doing invite . the invites are given as a whole deserving team..putting a team out of invite range because their region is not doing that great is not what i imagine with these invites. and even casters are comparing col's invite with na'vi or other eu team..unless there is a policy from valve about regional invites, all teams from all region compete for 8 spots Gotta be realistic though. If you're an organiser and you invite both MVP and Fnatic, that means that you're gonna have an additional 2 teams from the sea qualifiers. Who else in sea are good enough? 2 slots given away to random teams. You're just gonna dilute your tournament. The only way I see this happening is if only 1 team from sea qualifiers go to the major.
if you are a shady organizer, then yes. but the tournament is a valve tournament and i am of a thinking that why should fnatic be punished if their region has potential tier 3 teams besides them and mvp?i am pretty sure not inviting them because other teams will dilute the tournament is pretty cheap excuse
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Man people born in 1999 are already 16. It's RAMZES666's birthday tomorrow too. Would be a nice birthday gift to win this tournament.
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Holy shit, his birthday is tomorrow
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On April 24 2016 16:29 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 16:27 shouldbeworking wrote:
is ramsze that lil kid playing with his legs up?
oh shit it is. He is only 16 Wish I was short enough (or flexible enough) to sit like that, lol
sylar comes to mind by that pose..he always played while taking legs on chair folding..like that guy from death note
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Kuroky rubick! 
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There has never been a huge international tournament that has had four Southeast Asian teams. I had hope that I'd be able to argue for them to get four this time and two less for China, but with Fnatic losing here, I am not able to do it.
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