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who can empire still get for mid
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On April 24 2016 01:35 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 24 2016 01:30 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 24 2016 01:19 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:15 Faruko wrote:On April 24 2016 01:14 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On April 24 2016 01:12 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:On April 24 2016 01:06 sunrazgriz wrote:
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its invoker with octarine m8 You can't even compare invoker with spectre, spectre is beyond anything I've ever seen in dota. lul I cant disagree with him. Lategame invoker is insanely strong. But he can still lose games.... late game spectre is practically immortal. Sure but invoker is insanely strong AT ALL TIMES true enough. Its kind of interesting how hes gotten like this. Given hes gotten a succession of nerfs over the last year. (deafening blast mana cost, deafening blast not being hard disable, invoke cooldown to 4 seconds (2 with aghs), intelligence etc). Makes me wonder if hes just been really under utiltized in the last few patches or if the meta just supports him right now. Invoke cd is a buff, i am fairly certain, as is intelligence. He got broken the patch they made invoke free on top of buffing alacrity, even if he was viable in 6.85. no... Invoke used to have no cooldown with Aghs. Not sure how that was a buff? I believe level 4 invoke also used to be 3 seconds,and its now 4 or 5... They also nerfed alacrity, not buffed it. Literally the only buff they gave him is giving you an automatic point in invoke off the start of the game (which is huge). You just made me look it up against because i remember Invoke had cooldown with Aghs when i started back in 2013. And you are wrong. > 6.66 > Reduced cooldown from 30/25/12/5 to 22/17/12/5. > 6.54 > Reduced cooldown from 30/30/15/5 to 30/25/12/5. And seriously, man, read changelog on Invoker. It's amazing how quickly it all stacked up over time despite sensible QW nerfs. Ah i forgot about the early levels. But im sure aghs gave it no cooldown at some point. Those are just base levels. Can you look up the Aghs changes for invoker? I cant seem to find anything.
> 6.60
> Added Aghanim's Scepter upgrade for Invoker: Reduces Invoke mana cost from 20/50/80/110 to 0 on each level and cooldown from 30/25/12/5 to 16/8/4/2.
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On April 24 2016 01:29 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:25 the bear jew wrote:
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.
Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her. I disagree, spectre became insane with comeback gold, no more, no less. It was rather easy to punish spectre before that and took some serious team effort to hold before she came online or some throw from opponents.
Comeback gold was around during Sniper/Troll patch but she wasn't picked much if ever. Spectre's all time winrate is fifth, this is from beginning of dotabuff data. Way before comeback gold.
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On April 24 2016 01:35 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 24 2016 01:30 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 24 2016 01:19 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:15 Faruko wrote:On April 24 2016 01:14 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On April 24 2016 01:12 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:On April 24 2016 01:06 sunrazgriz wrote:
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its invoker with octarine m8 You can't even compare invoker with spectre, spectre is beyond anything I've ever seen in dota. lul I cant disagree with him. Lategame invoker is insanely strong. But he can still lose games.... late game spectre is practically immortal. Sure but invoker is insanely strong AT ALL TIMES true enough. Its kind of interesting how hes gotten like this. Given hes gotten a succession of nerfs over the last year. (deafening blast mana cost, deafening blast not being hard disable, invoke cooldown to 4 seconds (2 with aghs), intelligence etc). Makes me wonder if hes just been really under utiltized in the last few patches or if the meta just supports him right now. Invoke cd is a buff, i am fairly certain, as is intelligence. He got broken the patch they made invoke free on top of buffing alacrity, even if he was viable in 6.85. no... Invoke used to have no cooldown with Aghs. Not sure how that was a buff? I believe level 4 invoke also used to be 3 seconds,and its now 4 or 5... They also nerfed alacrity, not buffed it. Literally the only buff they gave him is giving you an automatic point in invoke off the start of the game (which is huge). You just made me look it up against because i remember Invoke had cooldown with Aghs when i started back in 2013. And you are wrong. > 6.66 > Reduced cooldown from 30/25/12/5 to 22/17/12/5. > 6.54 > Reduced cooldown from 30/30/15/5 to 30/25/12/5. And seriously, man, read changelog on Invoker. It's amazing how quickly it all stacked up over time despite sensible QW nerfs. Ah i forgot about the early levels. But im sure aghs gave it no cooldown at some point. Those are just base levels. Can you look up the Aghs changes for invoker? I cant seem to find anything.
iirc it was 2 seconds with aghs, don't remember it ever being 0
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On April 24 2016 01:35 lolnoty wrote:
who can empire still get for mid
Buttrider?
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On April 24 2016 01:35 PhoenixVoid wrote:
EE Na'ix oh boy.
no way
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Does Winter's Curse result in Ench chucking Impetus' at her teammate if she has it on autocast?
OMG Secret is going full BSJ
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Congrats to Empire for having to face Team Liquid in the semifinals!
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On April 24 2016 01:35 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:35 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 24 2016 01:30 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 24 2016 01:19 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:15 Faruko wrote:On April 24 2016 01:14 Darpa wrote:On April 24 2016 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On April 24 2016 01:12 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
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You can't even compare invoker with spectre, spectre is beyond anything I've ever seen in dota. lul I cant disagree with him. Lategame invoker is insanely strong. But he can still lose games.... late game spectre is practically immortal. Sure but invoker is insanely strong AT ALL TIMES true enough. Its kind of interesting how hes gotten like this. Given hes gotten a succession of nerfs over the last year. (deafening blast mana cost, deafening blast not being hard disable, invoke cooldown to 4 seconds (2 with aghs), intelligence etc). Makes me wonder if hes just been really under utiltized in the last few patches or if the meta just supports him right now. Invoke cd is a buff, i am fairly certain, as is intelligence. He got broken the patch they made invoke free on top of buffing alacrity, even if he was viable in 6.85. no... Invoke used to have no cooldown with Aghs. Not sure how that was a buff? I believe level 4 invoke also used to be 3 seconds,and its now 4 or 5... They also nerfed alacrity, not buffed it. Literally the only buff they gave him is giving you an automatic point in invoke off the start of the game (which is huge). You just made me look it up against because i remember Invoke had cooldown with Aghs when i started back in 2013. And you are wrong. > 6.66 > Reduced cooldown from 30/25/12/5 to 22/17/12/5. > 6.54 > Reduced cooldown from 30/30/15/5 to 30/25/12/5. And seriously, man, read changelog on Invoker. It's amazing how quickly it all stacked up over time despite sensible QW nerfs. Ah i forgot about the early levels. But im sure aghs gave it no cooldown at some point. Those are just base levels. Can you look up the Aghs changes for invoker? I cant seem to find anything. > 6.60 > Added Aghanim's Scepter upgrade for Invoker: Reduces Invoke mana cost from 20/50/80/110 to 0 on each level and cooldown from 30/25/12/5 to 16/8/4/2.
hmm okay, must just be smoking crack.
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On April 24 2016 01:36 the bear jew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:29 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 01:25 the bear jew wrote:
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.
Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her. I disagree, spectre became insane with comeback gold, no more, no less. It was rather easy to punish spectre before that and took some serious team effort to hold before she came online or some throw from opponents. Comeback gold was around during Sniper/Troll patch but she wasn't picked much if ever. Spectre's all time winrate is fifth, this is from beginning of dotabuff data. Way before comeback gold.
Remember that the offlane got harder in recent patch.
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Black Holes in Empire vs Secret 2:
Enigma: 8 casts, 777 dmg, 0:19 stun
Rubick: 3 casts, 5996 dmg, 0:44 stun
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On April 24 2016 01:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Does Winter's Curse result in Ench chucking Impetus' at her teammate if she has it on autocast?
OMG Secret is going full BSJ
no u cant cast impetus on ur allies. it doesn't trigger even if it's on autocast, she just throws regular attacks
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no disable against this slark. nice wyvern pick
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EPT
