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HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:31 GMT
#1681
Secret prob wants wisp there imo
but with wyvern ehh
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
April 23 2016 16:31 GMT
#1682
I say Secret grabs Spectre now.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 23 2016 16:31 GMT
#1683
I still think winter wyvern is a garbage hero.

pretty sure empire won
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:32 GMT
#1684
ayyy lmao
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 16:32:52
April 23 2016 16:32 GMT
#1685
On April 24 2016 01:31 the bear jew wrote:
I say Secret grabs Spectre now.


That would be tough given that they banned it.

We might see a Jugg though.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 23 2016 16:32 GMT
#1686
time for AA?
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
April 23 2016 16:32 GMT
#1687
On April 24 2016 01:29 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:25 the bear jew wrote:
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.

Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her.

I disagree, spectre became insane with comeback gold, no more, no less. It was rather easy to punish spectre before that and took some serious team effort to hold before she came online or some throw from opponents.


Yeah I think so too thats the main reason, but I think another reason is that the average games now last longer than before and she can hit a very strong mid game timing and maintain it till the end.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
April 23 2016 16:32 GMT
#1688
On April 24 2016 01:28 babysimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:25 the bear jew wrote:
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.

Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her.

Teamfight gold and comeback gold.

A hero that can join fight anytime.

Strongest scaling late game carry.

Problem is just that now she also dominates early game. Few kills here and there with the first haunts and thats it. No more retarded radiance farm.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 16:33:56
April 23 2016 16:33 GMT
#1689
On April 24 2016 01:30 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:19 Darpa wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:15 Faruko wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:14 Darpa wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:12 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:06 sunrazgriz wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:06 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
Spectre, icefrauds greatest work.

its invoker with octarine m8


You can't even compare invoker with spectre, spectre is beyond anything I've ever seen in dota.

lul



I cant disagree with him. Lategame invoker is insanely strong.


But he can still lose games.... late game spectre is practically immortal.

Sure but invoker is insanely strong AT ALL TIMES



true enough. Its kind of interesting how hes gotten like this. Given hes gotten a succession of nerfs over the last year. (deafening blast mana cost, deafening blast not being hard disable, invoke cooldown to 4 seconds (2 with aghs), intelligence etc). Makes me wonder if hes just been really under utiltized in the last few patches or if the meta just supports him right now.

Invoke cd is a buff, i am fairly certain, as is intelligence.

He got broken the patch they made invoke free on top of buffing alacrity, even if he was viable in 6.85.



no... Invoke used to have no cooldown with Aghs. Not sure how that was a buff? I believe level 4 invoke also used to be 3 seconds,and its now 4 or 5... They also nerfed alacrity, not buffed it.

Literally the only buff they gave him is giving you an automatic point in invoke off the start of the game (which is huge).

You just made me look it up against because i remember Invoke had cooldown with Aghs when i started back in 2013.

And you are wrong.

> 6.66

> Reduced cooldown from 30/25/12/5 to 22/17/12/5.

> 6.54

> Reduced cooldown from 30/30/15/5 to 30/25/12/5.

And seriously, man, read changelog on Invoker. It's amazing how quickly it all stacked up over time despite sensible QW nerfs.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
April 23 2016 16:33 GMT
#1690
did puppey forgot lion exist
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 16:35:44
April 23 2016 16:34 GMT
#1691
Secret need waveclear badly

Actually nvm bm/ww is enough, wonder if envy's just gonna pick a roamer
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:34 GMT
#1692
On April 24 2016 01:33 Papercappu wrote:
did puppey forgot lion exist


inb4 rtz wisp mid into lose mid hard and cya secret
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 23 2016 16:34 GMT
#1693
dat auto pick distuptor after wisp
-Terran-
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
April 23 2016 16:34 GMT
#1694
Arteezy playing two hero this tournament.
Getting too old for this..
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:35 GMT
#1695
First phase Wyvern pick.

What!?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 23 2016 16:35 GMT
#1696
On April 24 2016 01:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:30 Darpa wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:19 Darpa wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:15 Faruko wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:14 Darpa wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:12 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:06 sunrazgriz wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:06 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
Spectre, icefrauds greatest work.

its invoker with octarine m8


You can't even compare invoker with spectre, spectre is beyond anything I've ever seen in dota.

lul



I cant disagree with him. Lategame invoker is insanely strong.


But he can still lose games.... late game spectre is practically immortal.

Sure but invoker is insanely strong AT ALL TIMES



true enough. Its kind of interesting how hes gotten like this. Given hes gotten a succession of nerfs over the last year. (deafening blast mana cost, deafening blast not being hard disable, invoke cooldown to 4 seconds (2 with aghs), intelligence etc). Makes me wonder if hes just been really under utiltized in the last few patches or if the meta just supports him right now.

Invoke cd is a buff, i am fairly certain, as is intelligence.

He got broken the patch they made invoke free on top of buffing alacrity, even if he was viable in 6.85.



no... Invoke used to have no cooldown with Aghs. Not sure how that was a buff? I believe level 4 invoke also used to be 3 seconds,and its now 4 or 5... They also nerfed alacrity, not buffed it.

Literally the only buff they gave him is giving you an automatic point in invoke off the start of the game (which is huge).

You just made me look it up against because i remember Invoke had cooldown with Aghs when i started back in 2013.

And you are wrong.

> 6.66

> Reduced cooldown from 30/25/12/5 to 22/17/12/5.

> 6.54

> Reduced cooldown from 30/30/15/5 to 30/25/12/5.

And seriously, man, read changelog on Invoker. It's amazing how quickly it all stacked up over time despite sensible QW nerfs.



Ah i forgot about the early levels. But im sure aghs gave it no cooldown at some point. Those are just base levels. Can you look up the Aghs changes for invoker? I cant seem to find anything.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 23 2016 16:35 GMT
#1697
secret planning some unorthodox carry here
-Terran-
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:35 GMT
#1698
fuck it's OD
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
April 23 2016 16:35 GMT
#1699
Arteezy facepalming after they picked OD
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
April 23 2016 16:35 GMT
#1700
EE Na'ix oh boy.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
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