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HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 16:24:50
April 23 2016 16:24 GMT
#1661
I really think and I hope the patch notes will be revealed after this ESL One. If Icefrog wants to wait until the Manila Major, he's making a BIG mistake.
This patch has been here since December. It's been 4 MONTHS. This is insane.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 23 2016 16:24 GMT
#1662
On April 24 2016 01:23 Zea! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:21 FreakyDroid wrote:
I just hope the 3 broken heroes this patch (Invo, Spec, Ench) wont be drafted next game, tired of having them in all pubs and watching them in almost every single pro game as well.


You forgot OD :p

And CM.

Damn felt asleep at min 15 and woke up to spectre destroying T4s.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
April 23 2016 16:25 GMT
#1663
On April 24 2016 01:23 Zea! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:21 FreakyDroid wrote:
I just hope the 3 broken heroes this patch (Invo, Spec, Ench) wont be drafted next game, tired of having them in all pubs and watching them in almost every single pro game as well.


You forgot OD :p


Ok yeah, he is also kind of OP, but you can still deal with him.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
April 23 2016 16:25 GMT
#1664
I just hope for Secret they got Puppey out of the tilt zone.
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
April 23 2016 16:25 GMT
#1665
I think this says it all about that last game
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
April 23 2016 16:25 GMT
#1666
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.

Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-23 16:26:12
April 23 2016 16:25 GMT
#1667
secret's booth is so gloomy while empire's is so relaxed
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:26 GMT
#1668
On April 24 2016 01:25 Dysisa wrote:
I think this says it all about that last game https://twitter.com/DOTABUFF/status/723910263729070080


LMFAOOOO
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
April 23 2016 16:28 GMT
#1669
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2314634747

Secret's itemization are pretty bad. no blinks or hex
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
April 23 2016 16:28 GMT
#1670
On April 24 2016 01:25 Dysisa wrote:
I think this says it all about that last game https://twitter.com/DOTABUFF/status/723910263729070080


Holy shit
The Real Power~
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:28 GMT
#1671
Please not a third rtz invoker
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 23 2016 16:28 GMT
#1672
On April 24 2016 01:25 the bear jew wrote:
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.

Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her.

Teamfight gold and comeback gold.

A hero that can join fight anytime.

Strongest scaling late game carry.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:29 GMT
#1673
Excuse me what the fuck puppey
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 23 2016 16:29 GMT
#1674
On April 24 2016 01:25 the bear jew wrote:
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.

Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her.

I disagree, spectre became insane with comeback gold, no more, no less. It was rather easy to punish spectre before that and took some serious team effort to hold before she came online or some throw from opponents.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 23 2016 16:30 GMT
#1675
aawww spec and voker banned
-Terran-
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
April 23 2016 16:30 GMT
#1676
I have a sudden hankering for pos 1 NP lol
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:30 GMT
#1677
On April 24 2016 01:28 babysimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:25 the bear jew wrote:
Spectre's been basically the same hero for a while, unless the dispersion buff was that huge of a difference. Even before then she wrecked pubs cause people don't group to avoid haunt pick offs and don't push. She punishes sloppy uncoordinated pub play like no other hero.

Now that pros pick it, she gotten a higher profile so she's picked more. Even when she was picked less in pubs, had the same win rate. The problem in pub games isn't Spectre's abilities, it's the teams playing vs her.

Teamfight gold and comeback gold.

A hero that can join fight anytime.

Strongest scaling late game carry.

I mean, that was all since 6.84.

Now, i remember another turned around game that had Envy against Spectre+Rubick but nonetheless.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 23 2016 16:30 GMT
#1678
Doesn't Ench just Impetus an Embraced target to death? Or is the heal that good? I've never seen the matchup.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 23 2016 16:30 GMT
#1679
On April 24 2016 01:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Doesn't Ench just Impetus an Embraced target to death? Or is the heal that good? I've never seen the matchup.

Depends on time and distance.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 23 2016 16:30 GMT
#1680
On April 24 2016 01:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 01:19 Darpa wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:15 Faruko wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:14 Darpa wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:12 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:06 sunrazgriz wrote:
On April 24 2016 01:06 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
Spectre, icefrauds greatest work.

its invoker with octarine m8


You can't even compare invoker with spectre, spectre is beyond anything I've ever seen in dota.

lul



I cant disagree with him. Lategame invoker is insanely strong.


But he can still lose games.... late game spectre is practically immortal.

Sure but invoker is insanely strong AT ALL TIMES



true enough. Its kind of interesting how hes gotten like this. Given hes gotten a succession of nerfs over the last year. (deafening blast mana cost, deafening blast not being hard disable, invoke cooldown to 4 seconds (2 with aghs), intelligence etc). Makes me wonder if hes just been really under utiltized in the last few patches or if the meta just supports him right now.

Invoke cd is a buff, i am fairly certain, as is intelligence.

He got broken the patch they made invoke free on top of buffing alacrity, even if he was viable in 6.85.



no... Invoke used to have no cooldown with Aghs. Not sure how that was a buff? I believe level 4 invoke also used to be 3 seconds,and its now 4 or 5... They also nerfed alacrity, not buffed it.

Literally the only buff they gave him is giving you an automatic point in invoke off the start of the game (which is huge).
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
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