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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 22 2016 07:41 GMT
#301
On April 22 2016 16:39 Azarkon wrote:
They shouldn't have given away that hero three games, no, but they'll get another opportunity to force that middle player into a different hero.


Yeah. Though credit to Wings. Complexity should have won game 2, but Wings managed to find just enough to stay in the game until the Alch made Raid-Boss mode.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
April 22 2016 07:41 GMT
#302
Col's Earth Spirit was the worst I've seen in pro games recently.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 22 2016 07:41 GMT
#303
On April 22 2016 16:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 16:36 Azarkon wrote:
Swindlezz was out pick that game. Even though I do think they played pretty well in the early and middle game, it was always going to be harder to play a strategy that is all about getting through every spell, than a strategy that just requires surviving those spells.


Puppey just rode Invoker + Lion to winning Shanghai. The synergy & risk/reward is just too damn good.

Granted, great game by Iceice.

come to think of it
why did invoker kept slipping through the draft ?
-Terran-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 22 2016 07:42 GMT
#304
On Secret vs Empire g1, pretty much no one is winning with 2 defensive Supports this patch. And they picked Wisp + Dazzle. That's a bit too much anti-Meta to normally work, even for players as good as Secret has.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 22 2016 07:43 GMT
#305
On April 22 2016 16:41 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 16:39 Azarkon wrote:
They shouldn't have given away that hero three games, no, but they'll get another opportunity to force that middle player into a different hero.


Yeah. Though credit to Wings. Complexity should have won game 2, but Wings managed to find just enough to stay in the game until the Alch made Raid-Boss mode.

did you just ask A-Dog to give credit to Chinese team ?
might as well ask for a Unicorn on birthday
-Terran-
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 07:44:58
April 22 2016 07:43 GMT
#306
i stand corrected in that envy's naga would disappoint, but i definitely didn't feel the naga pressure there due to a lot of different factors.
just.. a farming moneybag with a reset button. welp, spectre is like that too with an aegis or a buyback.

starting off with a loss! but it's all good, time to take off the jackets and come to play.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 22 2016 07:44 GMT
#307
On April 22 2016 16:41 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 16:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 22 2016 16:36 Azarkon wrote:
Swindlezz was out pick that game. Even though I do think they played pretty well in the early and middle game, it was always going to be harder to play a strategy that is all about getting through every spell, than a strategy that just requires surviving those spells.


Puppey just rode Invoker + Lion to winning Shanghai. The synergy & risk/reward is just too damn good.

Granted, great game by Iceice.

come to think of it
why did invoker kept slipping through the draft ?


Batrider + LD were the bans the first two games. Switched LD for Bounty in Game 3. Let the Invoker + LD + Lion combo happen. Swindlezz's drafting has gotten a lot better, but he made two critical mistakes in the last game. When you don't win a game you should (game 2), that can happen in game 3.
Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
April 22 2016 07:44 GMT
#308
Yeah 6.85 was when the double defensive supports worked, we've seen already when teams go for that nowadays it's so hard to do anything.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 22 2016 07:44 GMT
#309
On April 22 2016 16:42 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On Secret vs Empire g1, pretty much no one is winning with 2 defensive Supports this patch. And they picked Wisp + Dazzle. That's a bit too much anti-Meta to normally work, even for players as good as Secret has.

Yeah grave plus relocate in theory is very good when you are sitting with a Naga and OD though, but indeed did not work out at all.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 07:45:36
April 22 2016 07:45 GMT
#310
On April 22 2016 16:40 babysimba wrote:
I feel RTZ's item choice was game losing. He needed the standard blink hex bkb build for initiation after naga spread the map out for them.

Spectre's haunt + 1 initiator could easily pick off heroes already and they had 4 initiators lol. Letting Empire control the pace of the game is not a good idea.


I'm guessing he thought that with wisp for positioning and wisp+dazzle for the heals he didn't need it, and also wanted to bait the spells onto himself. No hex makes it even harder for Universe tho, lol
Book of Funn1k, 3:22 "YOU RUINED MY LIFE AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT 0-7 TUSK?? I would so fuckin Walrus Punch you that you will get stunned for 1 year."
aeN
Profile Joined November 2010
Italy92 Posts
April 22 2016 07:46 GMT
#311
On April 22 2016 16:43 nanaoei wrote:
i stand corrected in that envy's naga would disappoint, but i definitely didn't feel the naga pressure there due to a lot of different factors.
just.. a farming moneybag with a reset button. welp, spectre is like that too with an aegis or a buyback.

starting off with a loss! but it's all good, time to take off the jackets and come to play.

Lion alone can stop naga illusion split push even in lategame, I think that's why he couldn't pressure enough.
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 22 2016 07:47 GMT
#312
Fnatic game starting . gotta cheer for the boys. Go fnatic
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 22 2016 07:47 GMT
#313
col lost vs wings?????????????
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 22 2016 07:48 GMT
#314
On April 22 2016 16:47 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Fnatic game starting . gotta cheer for the boys. Go fnatic

feels empty without mushi
but so hype to se Mi-Do-Ne
-Terran-
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 07:50:02
April 22 2016 07:49 GMT
#315
Well, now we know what Secret was doing in practice. Ehome just pick the same.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
April 22 2016 07:50 GMT
#316
On April 22 2016 16:47 HammerKick wrote:
col lost vs wings?????????????


Is that supposed to be surprising?
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 07:51:32
April 22 2016 07:50 GMT
#317
On April 22 2016 16:47 HammerKick wrote:
col lost vs wings?????????????


yeah it was quite close!
there was an alch carry pick.
and a win with treatn protector :O)
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 22 2016 07:50 GMT
#318
On April 22 2016 16:50 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 16:47 HammerKick wrote:
col lost vs wings?????????????


Is that supposed to be surprising?


With col's performances at shanghai major, yes
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 22 2016 07:51 GMT
#319
faerie dragon is so back into the meta
-Terran-
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 22 2016 07:51 GMT
#320
OD and puppey chen, Secret not messing around xd
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
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