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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/1/19/ESL_One_Manila_2016.png) Friday, Apr 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/ESL_One/Manila/2016 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vursH.png)  ESL | ESL 2 Casters, Hosts & Observers: Chobra | SirActionSlacks | Godz | Merlini | Maelk | ODPixel | Tobiwan | Capitalist | Blitz | Purge | Pimpmuckl | Noxville ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JQ8nk.png) Group A ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/liquid.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/col.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/wings.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/mineski.png) Group B ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/secret.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/ehome.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/fnatic.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/empire.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Xo97b.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jgmCp.png) + Show Spoiler [Detailed Results!] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H5LzV.png) Click Me | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Group A Winner? Team Liquid (37) Wings Gaming (6) Complexity Gaming (3) Mineski (3) 49 total votes Your vote: Group A Winner? (Vote): Team Liquid | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Azarkon
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Kamisamanachi
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alright , time to root for underdogs. Go wings of course , i will be cheering for fnatic as usual..i am skeptical about net's carry .hope DJ copes up for his mistakes | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
1. Secret: on paper the best team at the tournament, but we all know how that goes. They could be bad, but how bad could they be? The only other team that we know is a solid top team in the tournament is Liquid, and it's not though Secret hasn't played with Arteezy before. It's only Universe's play this tournament that is still not known to us, given that he's never played much outside of America, but I trust Universe has the experience to do it without a problem. 2. Liquid: the most solid team coming into the tournament, since they made no changes from the time of Shanghai. They will be the measure of every other team's skill, as they are the only team we know to be a top Western team. I think they have what it takes to reach the final, but not necessarily win it, though it'd be nice to win Secret. 3/4. Complexity: we'd like to believe that hard work is what distinguishes the top teams from those below, and swindlemelonzz is all about hard work. It's difficult to put Complexity above Fnatic, however, because simply put, they don't have the results to back it up. Complexity's group is the easiest to take second in, however, and they're liable to play Secret and just lose. Even were they to play Fnatic, however, I can't see it being much worse than an equal game. 3/4. Fnatic: the best Southeast Asian team. They've been doing well in all their recent games, and are certainly playing the best Doto in Southeast Asia. But one has to consider this: Southeast Asia, outside of Fnatic and the Koreans when they're on their game, is bad, so it's not though Fnatic's recent results matter all that much. They're going up against the best of the West here, and the best of the West rarely lose to Southeast Asia. That said, Fnatic has, in the past, done well against Secret, so who knows? They could take first in the group, in which case they can even make it to the final. 5/6. Ehome: Most people agree that Ehome got worse after they lost Cty, and so do I. How bad are they, exactly? Well, they've not won a single Chinese tournament after the change, and in fact haven't played many of them. This doesn't speak well for Ehome, and I have no idea why they chose to not play in the most recent Chinese tournament. They could've used the practice, and given how Chinese teams don't try hard in practice except in tournaments, I can't see them having got a lot of use out of it. I don't think this Ehome is that solid - their middle player still isn't a top player and their carry player has only gotten worse. Iceiceice's support might be the only idea that saves them. 5/6. Wings: Speaking of Iceiceice, we also have Iceice playing in this tournament. While he's one of the best support players in China... That's all they have going for them. There's no cause to believe any of this team's other players will hold up well against the competition. But they could take a game, even two, due to not being known and due to the fact that they do have their own strategy. And they did do well against Newbee - one of the only Chinese teams to do so - before this tournament. So who knows, they might go even higher than this. 7. Empire: didn't even qualify by themselves. Judging by current players might be able to play Russian Doto early game and throw. Won't get past the top teams unless I'm completely wrong about Russian Doto. Still, they're hard to place among the bottom teams. I'll put them here simply because I don't want them to do well. 8. Mineski: Is Pinoy Doto, best Doto? Unfortunately, no. Even with home advantage, I don't think Mineski is going to do much this tournament. They lost one of their most important players, who helped them qualify in the first place, and at the same time, they have not been a solid top team in even Southeast Asia. Although it is sad to put Mineski as last place in their own country's tournament, it's not though it'll be worse than the Chinese at Shanghai, and maybe they'll even take a game and get all the people there behind them. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On April 22 2016 02:26 Azarkon wrote: Might as well do this. 1. Secret: on paper the best team at the tournament, but we all know how that goes. They could be bad, but how bad could they be? The only other team that we know is a solid top team in the tournament is Liquid, and it's not though Secret hasn't played with Arteezy before. It's only Universe's play this tournament that is still not known to us, given that he's never played much outside of America, but I trust Universe has the experience to do it without a problem. 2. Liquid: the most solid team coming into the tournament, since they made no changes from the time of Shanghai. They will be the measure of every other team's skill, as they are the only team we know to be a top Western team. I think they have what it takes to reach the final, but not necessarily win it, though it'd be nice to win Secret. 3/4. Complexity: we'd like to believe that hard work is what distinguishes the top teams from those below, and swindlemelonzz is all about hard work. It's difficult to put Complexity above Fnatic, however, because simply put, they don't have the results to back it up. Complexity's group is the easiest to take second in, however, and they're liable to play Secret and just lose. Even were they to play Fnatic, however, I can't see it being much worse than an equal game. 3/4. Fnatic: the best Southeast Asian team. They've been doing well in all their recent games, and are certainly playing the best Doto in Southeast Asia. But one has to consider this: Southeast Asia, outside of Fnatic and the Koreans when they're on their game, is bad, so it's not though Fnatic's recent results matter all that much. They're going up against the best of the West here, and the best of the West rarely lose to Southeast Asia. That said, Fnatic has, in the past, done well against Secret, so who knows? They could take first in the group, in which case they can even make it to the final. 5/6. Ehome: Most people agree that Ehome got worse after they lost Cty, and so do I. How bad are they, exactly? Well, they've not won a single Chinese tournament after the change, and in fact haven't played many of them. This doesn't speak well for Ehome, and I have no idea why they chose to not play in the most recent Chinese tournament. They could've used the practice, and given how Chinese teams don't try hard in practice except in tournaments, I can't see them having got a lot of use out of it. I don't think this Ehome is that solid - their middle player still isn't a top player and their carry player has only gotten worse. Iceiceice's support might be the only idea that saves them. 5/6. Wings: Speaking of Iceiceice, we also have Iceice playing in this tournament. While he's one of the best support players in China... That's all they have going for them. There's no cause to believe any of this team's other players will hold up well against the competition. But they could take a game, even two, due to not being known and due to the fact that they do have their own strategy. And they did do well against Newbee - one of the only Chinese teams to do so - before this tournament. So who knows, they might go even higher than this. 7. Empire: didn't even qualify by themselves. Judging by current players might be able to play Russian Doto early game and throw. Won't get past the top teams unless I'm completely wrong about Russian Doto. Still, they're hard to place among the bottom teams. I'll put them here simply because I don't want them to do well. 8. Mineski: Is Pinoy Doto, best Doto? Unfortunately, no. Even with home advantage, I don't think Mineski is going to do much this tournament. They lost one of their most important players, who helped them qualify in the first place, and at the same time, they have not been a solid top team in even Southeast Asia. Although it is sad to put Mineski as last place in their own country's tournament, it's not though it'll be worse than the Chinese at Shanghai, and maybe they'll even take a game and get all the people there behind them. I did not think, i would ever say this, but i fully agree with you analysis. So you also can write normal stuff, without China hate; ) Hope for liquid to win this, its about time they get a big first place finish! | ||
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Procake
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Procake
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On April 22 2016 05:12 Pandemona wrote: Yes but the last ESL (New York) was meant to be as well but they messed scheduling up and had to be bo3. So bo5 it should be but if they mess up schedule it will be bo3 xd Hope it works out then, thanks | ||
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Nyan
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Procake
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ch33psh33p
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On April 22 2016 06:49 Nyan wrote: The finals are on the last day without anything else so it can't be a bo3. It just can't Never underestimate ESL. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
Poll: The actual games start with a delay of 60 min (2) 90 min (2) 120 min (2) 30 min (1) 0 min (0) 15 min (0) 45 min (0) 7 total votes Your vote: The actual games start with a delay of (Vote): 0 min | ||
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ch33psh33p
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I swear. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Daray
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ch33psh33p
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Col Wings live! They fucking STARTED ON TIME HOLY SHIT | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Yurie
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Procake
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Azarkon
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Procake
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On April 22 2016 12:20 Azarkon wrote: One of the games did start. Yeah I just mean they did that on the main stream where the panel is gonna be | ||
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ch33psh33p
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mutantmagnet
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Nyan
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Vertical
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SEA BEST REGION !!! | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Procake
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On April 22 2016 12:23 Vertical wrote: FUCKING ON TIME !!! SEA BEST REGION !!! ^ SEA definition of "on time" | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 22 2016 12:23 Vertical wrote: FUCKING ON TIME !!! SEA BEST REGION !!! Never believe | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
We were (Im from Indonesia) supposed to be a developing countries down with the oppression !!! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
+1 Point for starting on time. -10 for technical failures already. | ||
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
On April 22 2016 02:26 Azarkon wrote: Might as well do this. 1. Secret: on paper the best team at the tournament, but we all know how that goes. They could be bad, but how bad could they be? The only other team that we know is a solid top team in the tournament is Liquid, and it's not though Secret hasn't played with Arteezy before. It's only Universe's play this tournament that is still not known to us, given that he's never played much outside of America, but I trust Universe has the experience to do it without a problem. 2. Liquid: the most solid team coming into the tournament, since they made no changes from the time of Shanghai. They will be the measure of every other team's skill, as they are the only team we know to be a top Western team. I think they have what it takes to reach the final, but not necessarily win it, though it'd be nice to win Secret. 3/4. Complexity: we'd like to believe that hard work is what distinguishes the top teams from those below, and swindlemelonzz is all about hard work. It's difficult to put Complexity above Fnatic, however, because simply put, they don't have the results to back it up. Complexity's group is the easiest to take second in, however, and they're liable to play Secret and just lose. Even were they to play Fnatic, however, I can't see it being much worse than an equal game. 3/4. Fnatic: the best Southeast Asian team. They've been doing well in all their recent games, and are certainly playing the best Doto in Southeast Asia. But one has to consider this: Southeast Asia, outside of Fnatic and the Koreans when they're on their game, is bad, so it's not though Fnatic's recent results matter all that much. They're going up against the best of the West here, and the best of the West rarely lose to Southeast Asia. That said, Fnatic has, in the past, done well against Secret, so who knows? They could take first in the group, in which case they can even make it to the final. 5/6. Ehome: Most people agree that Ehome got worse after they lost Cty, and so do I. How bad are they, exactly? Well, they've not won a single Chinese tournament after the change, and in fact haven't played many of them. This doesn't speak well for Ehome, and I have no idea why they chose to not play in the most recent Chinese tournament. They could've used the practice, and given how Chinese teams don't try hard in practice except in tournaments, I can't see them having got a lot of use out of it. I don't think this Ehome is that solid - their middle player still isn't a top player and their carry player has only gotten worse. Iceiceice's support might be the only idea that saves them. 5/6. Wings: Speaking of Iceiceice, we also have Iceice playing in this tournament. While he's one of the best support players in China... That's all they have going for them. There's no cause to believe any of this team's other players will hold up well against the competition. But they could take a game, even two, due to not being known and due to the fact that they do have their own strategy. And they did do well against Newbee - one of the only Chinese teams to do so - before this tournament. So who knows, they might go even higher than this. 7. Empire: didn't even qualify by themselves. Judging by current players might be able to play Russian Doto early game and throw. Won't get past the top teams unless I'm completely wrong about Russian Doto. Still, they're hard to place among the bottom teams. I'll put them here simply because I don't want them to do well. 8. Mineski: Is Pinoy Doto, best Doto? Unfortunately, no. Even with home advantage, I don't think Mineski is going to do much this tournament. They lost one of their most important players, who helped them qualify in the first place, and at the same time, they have not been a solid top team in even Southeast Asia. Although it is sad to put Mineski as last place in their own country's tournament, it's not though it'll be worse than the Chinese at Shanghai, and maybe they'll even take a game and get all the people there behind them. I gotta admit, you made some pretty solid points. | ||
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Vertical
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i've jumping from several ESL twitch channel but none is playing hype is dead | ||
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shouldbeworking
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Vertical
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On April 22 2016 12:29 brinepumps wrote: I gotta admit, you made some pretty solid points. solid points, but every team always have the "however/but" so when he's wrong he can run into that "however/but" anytime but when he's right he will quote himself and yapping like he's right all along just like always | ||
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Pyrthas
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Vertical
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On April 22 2016 12:36 Pyrthas wrote: The draft is finished on esl_joindotared but they're rehosting for the second time because of 200ms ping. now thats my souteast asia ! | ||
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Daray
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blobrus
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Vertical
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On April 22 2016 12:39 blobrus wrote: Tobi asks about dota viewership. Garbage like this is why it's stagnating. Games are NEVER on time. Garbage like no LAN feature does this | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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Nyan
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mutantmagnet
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On April 22 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote: solid points, but every team always have the "however/but" so when he's wrong he can run into that "however/but" anytime but when he's right he will quote himself and yapping like he's right all along just like always What's the point of analysis if you can't make conclusions about strengths and weaknesses? His long form posts really are no different from the things TL, or gosugamers writers put out. If you want more objective analysis you read dotabuff, datdota and half of joindota's articles. They actually use stats to make assessments in most (or in the case of JD half) their articles. Everyone else out there is more vague than not. All that said I don't get Azarkon's angst over Universe. Nothing warrants it. | ||
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Elurie
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On April 22 2016 12:39 blobrus wrote: Tobi asks about dota viewership. Garbage like this is why it's stagnating. Games are NEVER on time. I think at this rate, tournaments should just intentionally start early, and do a delay broadcast on scheduled air time so they would appear "on time". | ||
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dutchfriese
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On April 22 2016 12:49 Elurie wrote: I think at this rate, tournaments should just intentionally start early, and do a delay broadcast on scheduled air time so they would appear "on time". All the Twitter babies would throw a shit fit. | ||
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Nyan
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brinepumps
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On April 22 2016 12:34 Vertical wrote: solid points, but every team always have the "however/but" so when he's wrong he can run into that "however/but" anytime but when he's right he will quote himself and yapping like he's right all along just like always Well even though it's Azarkon,I don't think he'd purposely put "however/but" just for the sake of his argument. After all, no team's perfect. | ||
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Nyan
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On April 22 2016 12:55 Kamisamanachi wrote: So, some people earlier said that they are sponsored by Direct fibre from PLDT manila , and these are still problems .. your connection doesnt fix server issues | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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i think server is working fine for some of my friends from manila..idk | ||
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Vertical
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a curve ball already by wings | ||
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Nyan
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Vertical
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On April 22 2016 13:00 Nyan wrote: https://twitter.com/iceiceicedota/status/723337888142757888 never ever try balut a day before game | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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unless mineski get some great fighting hero last, this liquid draft just runs over mineski mid game hard | ||
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Vertical
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its resumed | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 22 2016 12:39 blobrus wrote: Tobi asks about dota viewership. Garbage like this is why it's stagnating. Games are NEVER on time. has dota2 viewership decreased? | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Nyan
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On April 22 2016 13:03 Nyan wrote: pld bounty! im dumb lol i need sleep fuck | ||
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ASoo
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On April 22 2016 13:09 ch33psh33p wrote: inspirational msk draft I guess I'm inspired? Or maybe confused? | ||
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Daray
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Nyan
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On April 22 2016 13:13 Daray wrote: ewww, lich skilled nuke... i think with lich you have to skill sacrifice lvl 1 or the hero is useless. they got firstblood also TL has bad waveclear | ||
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Azarkon
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Daray
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FB or not you don't skill nuke, ever. imo. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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clear sign of an amateur team  | ||
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Elurie
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Or ever! Ick. Well maybe I will try it on Amazing Race if it's what standing between me and the finish line. | ||
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mutantmagnet
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Xafnia
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mutantmagnet
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SO dumb and reckless. | ||
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superstartran
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 13:28 superstartran wrote: Wings is outplaying coL pretty bad right now. Seems like coL is choking espec Swindle. Fortunately they have late game out pick. | ||
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mutantmagnet
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 13:30 mutantmagnet wrote: I'm calling it now. Wings will win this game. You were saying? There's no way they can out fight late game. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
but the less experienced | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On April 22 2016 13:30 Azarkon wrote: You were saying? There's no way they can out fight late game. Winning teams lose a single high ground all the time. Winngs will realize their positional mistake. Col's execution has been a lot worse over these 20+ minutes. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 13:32 mutantmagnet wrote: Winning teams lose a single high ground all the time. Winngs will realize their positional mistake. Col's execution has been a lot worse over these 20+ minutes. The difference is that it takes two skill to shut down all of their team. | ||
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CrazyBirdman
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Not that surprising though. | ||
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Vertical
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I imagine some crying pinoy girls over there | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On April 22 2016 13:30 Azarkon wrote: You were saying? There's no way they can out fight late game. ? Their comp forces PL to buy a BKB which isn't an item he necessarily wants to buy. Also, they've got cancer Invoker. Anything's possible with that cancer in the game. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 13:38 superstartran wrote: ? Their comp forces PL to buy a BKB which isn't an item he necessarily wants to buy. Also, they've got cancer Invoker. Anything's possible with that cancer in the game. The problem is their carry doesn't do much. There are literally three different answers against it on the other team and it doesn't even do anything against their carry. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 13:42 plasmidghost wrote: Damn, that should've been an absolute disaster for coL What you can get away with when you out pick. | ||
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Azarkon
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Hard work wins. | ||
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Vertical
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gg already better get lunch now | ||
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goody153
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On April 22 2016 13:21 Elurie wrote: Or ever! Ick. Well maybe I will try it on Amazing Race if it's what standing between me and the finish line. hey man it's tasty it just looks awful (that's why it's usually sold at night HEHE) just add vinegar that has a lot of pepper and salt On April 22 2016 07:26 Procake wrote: What if someone puts tank in a mall though rip | ||
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mutantmagnet
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On April 22 2016 13:33 Azarkon wrote: The difference is that it takes two skill to shut down all of their team. Next time I'll call the match correctly.  | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 22 2016 13:43 Azarkon wrote: What you can get away with when you out pick. If was a pretty hard outdraft, but credit to Swindlezz. He had a good, neutral strategy to open a Game 1 because Wings was likely to try something strange. Credit to Wings for getting some early kills to keep it from being a complete stomp. This is some good improvement from Complexity, though. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 22 2016 13:54 Azarkon wrote: Just call for the West to win. I'm pretty sure that's most of what we're going to see this tournament. I want Fnatic to beat Ehome in the other group, so where do we go with that one? | ||
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Yurie
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Just checked that there is LAN. I assume dota tv won't work with it. Thus it isn't used since they want people to watch it in game. Wish this last problem would be fixed, either by ignoring in game viewers or by having a dota tv spectator join somehow. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On April 22 2016 14:05 Yurie wrote: Just checked that there is LAN. I assume dota tv won't work with it. Thus it isn't used since they want people to watch it in game. Wish this last problem would be fixed, either by ignoring in game viewers or by having a dota tv spectator join somehow. there's no networking reason why you couldn't have someone in a LAN broadcast to dotaTV, I think you can do dotatv in LAN lobbies now but it's weird | ||
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ch33psh33p
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On April 22 2016 14:12 Azarkon wrote: Mineski is actually doing well in early game. They are still playing an uphill battle from the get go, especially since they are still sort of losing early game vs a Spectre. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 14:16 superstartran wrote: They are still playing an uphill battle from the get go, especially since they are still sort of losing early game vs a Spectre. Of course. It's not though they've got the game. We're talking about a top Western team here. | ||
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icystorage
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32742 Posts
On April 22 2016 14:28 icystorage wrote: My heart is torn. On one hand i want liquid to win but on the other, #pinoypride. On the other side you don't lose either. | ||
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On April 22 2016 14:38 Vertical wrote: wings tries to curve ball too much now pick alchemist And Col went to CLinkz. Julmust has been on point with his preview of both teams in the TL article. | ||
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On April 22 2016 14:41 mutantmagnet wrote: And Col went to CLinkz. Julmust has been on point with his preview of both teams in the TL article. I'm gonna argue clinkz is less risky then alchemist | ||
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On April 22 2016 14:47 PhoenixVoid wrote: It's getting late here but I can't skip out on the first game of new Secret. Same... i had to knock my kid out with cough syrup to have a pleasant evening watching the new Secret lineup ... boy I can see those therapy bills racking up ... | ||
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I feel like COL is the CDEC of this tourny, incredible team play and skill to go at least top 3 | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:00 Azarkon wrote: You'll see that both of the Western teams used a lot of the same heroes. It's obvious Western strategy > Asian strategy. you high or something? seriously, what's the matter? all your comments in this thread are the same thing. are you a huge COL fan or something? lol.. | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:08 nanaoei wrote: you high or something? seriously, what's the matter? all your comments in this thread are the same thing. are you a huge COL fan or something? lol.. Col looks incredible right now... | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:08 ch33psh33p wrote: please no more teams pick alch please | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:08 nanaoei wrote: you high or something? seriously, what's the matter? all your comments in this thread are the same thing. are you a huge COL fan or something? lol.. you must be new to Azarkon posts | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:08 nanaoei wrote: you high or something? seriously, what's the matter? all your comments in this thread are the same thing. are you a huge COL fan or something? lol.. Hi there new guy | ||
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Tell me NA dota isnt better than China rn | ||
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i'm saying what i'm saying because maybe it's the COL-fan talking. | ||
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Farm farm farm until baby-stealing dingo emerges, then dies immediately to the said dingo | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:08 nanaoei wrote: you high or something? seriously, what's the matter? all your comments in this thread are the same thing. are you a huge COL fan or something? lol.. If I could summarize Azarkon in a few words: "Chinese teams are inferior in every way to glorious Western teams". Expect him to repeat this throughout the thread and every tournament LR for eternity. | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: If I could summarize Azarkon in a few words: "Chinese teams are inferior in every way to glorious Western teams". Expect him to repeat this throughout the thread and every tournament LR for eternity. Only when it's a fact, and only when I know why. | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: If I could summarize Azarkon in a few words: "Chinese teams are inferior in every way to glorious Western teams". Expect him to repeat this throughout the thread and every tournament LR for eternity. Again rather than make the (honestly pointless) search to find any points as to why you believe Azarkon is wrong/NA dota isnt better than chinese dota you cant shit on his cheerios | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:13 brinepumps wrote: Alch is such a Black^ hero. Farm farm farm until baby-stealing dingo emerges, then dies immediately to the said dingo African-American* | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:14 Steelavocado wrote: Again rather than make the (honestly pointless) search to find any points as to why you believe Azarkon is wrong/NA dota isnt better than chinese dota you cant shit on his cheerios no one says he's wrong its just annoying lol | ||
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This play by Swindlezz's team was pretty bad. Getting caught out three times in the middle of the map. | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:20 Steelavocado wrote: I still dont see col losing this series I do now after that lol. | ||
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On April 22 2016 13:30 mutantmagnet wrote: I'm calling it now. Wings will win this game. On April 22 2016 15:20 Steelavocado wrote: I still dont see col losing this series these shot callers need to shut up lol | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:24 babysimba wrote: I actually see both teams being incredibly bad. Have no idea what you guys are on this garbage all around | ||
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Yes African-American^, how insensitive of me Anyway, Alch is trying hard to make me look like an idiot "Run buddy, run!" | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:27 brinepumps wrote: Yes African-American^, how insensitive of me Anyway, Alch is trying hard to make me look like an idiot "Run buddy, run!" *Ebony^ | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:25 Kamisamanachi wrote: Azarkon got someone to shill for him.. Ahahahaha yo man we have similar opinions - not sayin' I am A-dog | ||
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a pretty good game for whetting the appetite in my opinion. empire advanced over na'vi with a 3-1 a couple months ago. | ||
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secret-empire 2-1 due to new team being kinda clumsy | ||
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aight nvm last-BANNED it jesus | ||
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hope he destroys though. | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:37 nanaoei wrote: *sigh* i am not looking forward to EE's naga, as a frequent naga player myself. hope he destroys though. What do you mean, I thought he was one of the best carry Nagas | ||
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while I'm here exited to see how Wings vs CoL will end | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:40 nanaoei wrote: the last COL vs wings groupstage game started. did not see who got first pick but COL is running ES+CM while wings got LD and invoker. I'm eager to see Wings curve ball this time Luna will be nice | ||
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On April 22 2016 15:39 Procake wrote: What do you mean, I thought he was one of the best carry Nagas while he was learning or relearning the hero on stream (not a great representation by any means) his illusion control and farming with the hero throughout the game was not good. there is massive difference between experienced players and not, but the main thing in my opinion is how you use the time on your illusions, kiting waves around, even triple stacking, and being creative with your actives/abilities to max up that radiance timing. i'd be ecstatic to have a chance to see how he's progressed though. obviously he's getting the hero if he's super confident! | ||
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in my opinion i think that means they're relying on doom and invoker a lot. obviously on lion to do quite a lot for them early as well. | ||
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and a nature's guise treant with venom orb walks down CM. | ||
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rofl nice one. | ||
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it'll be around 3 minutes and both envy and rtz will have their items and in that same time empire will probably look to see any movements before they take a fight. not many items coming online for empire except for darkseer | ||
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ee: "ppd will never be your wisp, artour" rtz: "I'm sold where do I sign" | ||
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lost the battle, win the war | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:00 ilovepork wrote: Why does team secret start roshan but stops straight away? i'm not sure at all but it might be to see if empire reacts, more effective with deepers wards. with the way they've been playing with dazzle up top and envy farming bouncing between the lane and jungle, it's not too expected. it's a way that some teams test for wards and look to set up in the enemy jungle. envy went drums first? or after a brownboots naked radiance? that's also an indicator that they feel pressured that they need to be able to fight with OD. now that OD has 'W' with blink though it's even more difficult when it was the dazzle + wisp to sit behind him. | ||
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Empire playing very well. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:04 Vertical wrote: typical secret game lost the battle, win the war apparently Wings also | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:04 Vertical wrote: typical secret game lost the battle, win the war Yea this is what I felt all game too lol. They're kinda getting "outplayed" but its 2x very strong lategame in OD+Naga vs only spectre. And spec+puck wont manage to push and win. Naga will get her farm and Secret is just gonna win that at 45min+ on their lineup/farm. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:05 nanaoei wrote: i'm not sure at all but it might be to see if empire reacts, more effective with deepers wards. with the way they've been playing with dazzle up top and envy farming bouncing between the lane and jungle, it's not too expected. it's a way that some teams test for wards and look to set up in the enemy jungle. envy went drums first? or after a brownboots naked radiance? that's also an indicator that they feel pressured that they need to be able to fight with OD. now that OD has 'W' with blink though it's even more difficult when it was the dazzle + wisp to sit behind him. brown boots to drums to radiance I dunno why | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:08 Danzo wrote: Poor Universe he doesn't have PPD to shot call the games anymore And people said I was wrong to talk about Universe's ability to play well in this team. | ||
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very low networth game (secret vs empire) which favors empire for now. once that BKB goes up for RTZ, it gets quite hard IMO which is... off by about 1500 gold or around 3 straight minutes of farming lanes. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:12 Kamisamanachi wrote: Meanwhile col getting some nice spanking Are they? | ||
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Meanwhile wings gets a paddling. | ||
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Never just look at the carry. | ||
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this nyx pick is trash | ||
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the CM in the 26m game of COL is going to have the same networth at 32m as puck in the secret-empire game. tranquils drums, blink | ||
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Difference is in the support. | ||
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manta diffusal? | ||
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Pick up RTZ, lose TI | ||
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2 defensive supports is just overkill. Universe is useless because he can't do anything alone. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:30 babysimba wrote: Pretty sure Secret is losing. Sleep counters haunt but he has a bkb. 2 defensive supports is just overkill. Universe is useless because he can't do anything alone. They are but they're always able to win late game with what they have. | ||
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i think the overarching plan for secret is rax -> buyback -> t2 -> double rax. which in that case would mean they'd have to crush DS and spectre HARD | ||
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Arteezy = why did I join this team. Puppey = can't win with Arteezy. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:34 Elurie wrote: Who did that bkb-blink-hex on naga, between dire t2 & t3? Game winning move right there. I think DS | ||
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especially for my boy iceice | ||
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Also, if you have a team that 1st picks Invoker, you've got to remove Lion. The stun + hex + finger + Sunstrike can keep a team in the game. And they used it to low-risk gank Cheesie a bunch. | ||
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arteezy's item choices didn't pay off for what actually ended up happening in the game. an earlier bkb and maybe they have a better chance and all in all the timings were quite disjointed between him, naga, and universe getting absolutely nothing on nyx. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:34 Azarkon wrote: Secret loses very first game. Arteezy = why did I join this team. Puppey = can't win with Arteezy. Hopefully this goes on forever... can't stand arteezy | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:36 Azarkon wrote: Swindlezz was out pick that game. Even though I do think they played pretty well in the early and middle game, it was always going to be harder to play a strategy that is all about getting through every spell, than a strategy that just requires surviving those spells. Puppey just rode Invoker + Lion to winning Shanghai. The synergy & risk/reward is just too damn good. Granted, great game by Iceice. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:19 ch33psh33p wrote: full confidence empire will get naga'd out of this game. Lul | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:37 Danzo wrote: Secret played so weird in that game. Getting easily baited into bad team fights. The Nyxx pick accomplished nothing. They didn't utilize Wisp/OD as often later in the game. There was a few nice moments in the early game near their mid tower with OD being saved and IO plays, but overall a few major key blunders just made them look sloppy. Nyx pick is Universe ego ala Yoky- I want mid or feed EG style of demi 4-protect-1 fits that pick but not Secret's pick | ||
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Spectre's haunt + 1 initiator could easily pick off heroes already and they had 4 initiators lol. Letting Empire control the pace of the game is not a good idea. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:39 Azarkon wrote: They shouldn't have given away that hero three games, no, but they'll get another opportunity to force that middle player into a different hero. Yeah. Though credit to Wings. Complexity should have won game 2, but Wings managed to find just enough to stay in the game until the Alch made Raid-Boss mode. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:38 Taf the Ghost wrote: Puppey just rode Invoker + Lion to winning Shanghai. The synergy & risk/reward is just too damn good. Granted, great game by Iceice. come to think of it why did invoker kept slipping through the draft ? | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:41 Taf the Ghost wrote: Yeah. Though credit to Wings. Complexity should have won game 2, but Wings managed to find just enough to stay in the game until the Alch made Raid-Boss mode. did you just ask A-Dog to give credit to Chinese team ? might as well ask for a Unicorn on birthday | ||
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just.. a farming moneybag with a reset button. welp, spectre is like that too with an aegis or a buyback. starting off with a loss! but it's all good, time to take off the jackets and come to play. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:41 Vertical wrote: come to think of it why did invoker kept slipping through the draft ? Batrider + LD were the bans the first two games. Switched LD for Bounty in Game 3. Let the Invoker + LD + Lion combo happen. Swindlezz's drafting has gotten a lot better, but he made two critical mistakes in the last game. When you don't win a game you should (game 2), that can happen in game 3. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:42 Taf the Ghost wrote: On Secret vs Empire g1, pretty much no one is winning with 2 defensive Supports this patch. And they picked Wisp + Dazzle. That's a bit too much anti-Meta to normally work, even for players as good as Secret has. Yeah grave plus relocate in theory is very good when you are sitting with a Naga and OD though, but indeed did not work out at all. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:40 babysimba wrote: I feel RTZ's item choice was game losing. He needed the standard blink hex bkb build for initiation after naga spread the map out for them. Spectre's haunt + 1 initiator could easily pick off heroes already and they had 4 initiators lol. Letting Empire control the pace of the game is not a good idea. I'm guessing he thought that with wisp for positioning and wisp+dazzle for the heals he didn't need it, and also wanted to bait the spells onto himself. No hex makes it even harder for Universe tho, lol | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:43 nanaoei wrote: i stand corrected in that envy's naga would disappoint, but i definitely didn't feel the naga pressure there due to a lot of different factors. just.. a farming moneybag with a reset button. welp, spectre is like that too with an aegis or a buyback. starting off with a loss! but it's all good, time to take off the jackets and come to play. Lion alone can stop naga illusion split push even in lategame, I think that's why he couldn't pressure enough. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:47 Kamisamanachi wrote: Fnatic game starting . gotta cheer for the boys. Go fnatic feels empty without mushi but so hype to se Mi-Do-Ne | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:47 HammerKick wrote: col lost vs wings????????????? Is that supposed to be surprising? | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:47 HammerKick wrote: col lost vs wings????????????? yeah it was quite close! there was an alch carry pick. and a win with treatn protector :O) | ||
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With col's performances at shanghai major, yes | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:50 HammerKick wrote: With col's performances at shanghai major, yes You understand this Chinese team is one of the only Chinese teams to have done well against Newbee? They took games from VGR as well. They're able to take games off of teams; doesn't say much. | ||
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big boots to fill, even if they're his very own. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:50 HammerKick wrote: With col's performances at shanghai major, yes the Shanghai major where they only beat joker Chinese team and strategically exposed [A] | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:48 Vertical wrote: feels empty without mushi but so hype to se Mi-Do-Ne Yea same here. I am also skeptical about net's carry ..hope he plays well. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:52 Azarkon wrote: You understand this Chinese team is one of the only Chinese teams to have done well against Newbee? They took games from VGR as well. They're able to take games off of teams; just because they lost to them in close games, doesn't say much. Well I just woke up so I'm just asking :D guess i'll watch the highlights or something | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:50 HammerKick wrote: With col's performances at shanghai major, yes What performance, a bo1 win vs TS and stumbling LGD, and a 2-1 vs off-their-game Alliance? Wahoo, clearly a tier 1 team now! | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:54 Taf the Ghost wrote: Okay, WHO TOLD EVERYONE NAGA WAS META? Against freaking lion every other game. What the hell. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:53 Kamisamanachi wrote: Yea same here. I am also skeptical about net's carry ..hope he plays well. does Net ever play as a carry before ? | ||
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he'll have an easier time hitting ravages than nyx spells | ||
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and ench vs chen aww | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:56 Azarkon wrote: What is Ehome doing? This is basically the worst pick ever. Fnatic just made their pick good with picking dusa. Also, it's Naga+Disruptor, it can't be bad. | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:54 Salazarz wrote: What performance, a bo1 win vs TS and stumbling LGD, and a 2-1 vs off-their-game Alliance? Wahoo, clearly a tier 1 team now! dude its a NA team non EG anything above round of 16 is an achievement | ||
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On April 22 2016 16:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Fnatic just made their pick good with picking dusa. Also, it's Naga+Disruptor, it can't be bad. Naga disrupt is still one of the most broken combos ever when disurpt get Agh. Such a forgotten combo, cant remember last time i saw it. Maybe if 6.87 put both heroes back in the meta... | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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He is playing carry for them since 1 month as mushi is suffering from asthama. | ||
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nanaoei
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net carry is no joke! secret vs empire g2 draft, seems like they're lowkey trying to force a bad ember pick, obviously secret notices and picks one of the few other carries that fills that virtuoso/all-round heroes in the carry position. it's a very interesting draft battle imo. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 22 2016 16:58 Kreb wrote: Naga disrupt is still one of the most broken combos ever when disurpt get Agh. Such a forgotten combo, cant remember last time i saw it. Maybe if 6.87 put both heroes back in the meta... But you need your Ancient standing for it to work. ^_^ | ||
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HammerKick
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On April 22 2016 16:58 Kreb wrote: Naga disrupt is still one of the most broken combos ever when disurpt get Agh. Such a forgotten combo, cant remember last time i saw it. Maybe if 6.87 put both heroes back in the meta... There was a BTS moment on this if I remember correctly. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:01 Pandemona wrote: Doom and Tide getting shut down hard so far doom 0/0 tide 0/0 except tide has anchor smash level 1 :D | ||
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Vertical
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what patch is this ? | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 17:03 Vertical wrote: both games just ignore invoker what patch is this ? What? Fnatic didn't. | ||
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aaaand right as i type that she walks down envy | ||
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Wings is pretty much l#10 CN... lol | ||
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i don't know if it was tobi casts or other BTS or what but they would always switch to networth stat so quickly. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:10 Azarkon wrote: Ehome losing so hard because their middle player is bad. they kicked CTY, but let old chicken stay. Is it the power of friendship? | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:11 ForTehDarkseid wrote: they kicked CTY, but let old chicken stay. Is it the power of friendship? Cty left. And I have no idea why that player is still in the team. | ||
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RiZu
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On April 22 2016 17:11 ForTehDarkseid wrote: they kicked CTY, but let old chicken stay. Is it the power of friendship? I am pretty sure CTY left on his own, no idea why they let him stay when there is a influx of stong young mid laners. He is probably the 8th best mid laner in China or something. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 17:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, song + disruptor is pretty nuts, huh, Azarkon. Every what, 150 seconds? Have fun with that. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:12 RiZu wrote: I am pretty sure CTY left on his own, no idea why they let him stay when there is a influx of stong young mid laners. He is probably the 8th best mid laner in China or something. 8th? arguable, well, he is in top3 who plays not only pos 2 but 1 aswell. | ||
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RiZu
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On April 22 2016 17:15 ForTehDarkseid wrote: 8th? arguable, well, he is in top3 who plays not only pos 2 but 1 aswell. I mean old chicken lol | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:15 ForTehDarkseid wrote: 8th? arguable, well, he is in top3 who plays not only pos 2 but 1 aswell. He's talking about Ehome's middle player, not Cty. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:14 Azarkon wrote: Every what, 150 seconds? Have fun with that. That's precisely more usage every 180/120/80 seconds than Medusa has 100% of time. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 17:16 lolfail9001 wrote: That's precisely more usage every 180/120/80 seconds than Medusa has 100% of time. They don't need their carry to win this game against Ehome. | ||
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Sabu113
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Universe playing like Bone7 | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:16 TanGeng wrote: this fnatic play is very solid.. i like how doom just doesn't give a fuck DJ is a shotcaller on fnatic. He has his own ways too :D | ||
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turpentine
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like i'm sure OD doesnt die from the doom there if he can run away | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
On April 22 2016 17:17 babysimba wrote: Laning is like the only thing Tlers judge for mids lol. Old Chicken is one of EHome's major shotcaller. His not playing well in team fight either though. I had been watching a lot of EHOME game and he straight up get bodied unless he play dp, invoker and viper. | ||
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Racket
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On April 22 2016 17:17 Pandemona wrote: Wtf is Secret team fight. Why haven't i seen a ravage yet :s Saving strats for lategame? | ||
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trollcenter
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On April 22 2016 17:17 Sabu113 wrote: When willl we see a ravage? Keeping it for the grand finals. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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ahaha, sry for misunderstanding. anyway, duza is tanky as shit. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On April 22 2016 17:16 Azarkon wrote: They don't need their carry to win this game against Ehome. I have to concede that's true. | ||
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Pandemona
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Haha it seems so! It also seemed that cuz Rtz died Puppey was like "ok out, everyone leave" thus they lost 2 more players for free | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Fnatic win this early and middle because because 1) they out pick 2) their middle player isn't bad. | ||
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lolnoty
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On April 22 2016 17:18 Danzo wrote: Universe sabotaging Secret. All according to PPD plan :D calling it now fan opinion on Universe goes from Best offlaner to Mediocre if secret struggles | ||
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Racket
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On April 22 2016 17:18 Taf the Ghost wrote: Umm... while Secret isn't playing too well, when did Team Empire get this solid??? Just as they kicked xboct and funn1k | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:18 RiZu wrote: His not playing well in team fight either though. I had been watching a lot of EHOME game and he straight up get bodied unless he play dp, invoker and viper. Well puck is absolutely useless in lane against Exort invoker. Doesn't help that he can't go around and set the tempo because Fnatic's heroes are tank like fk while Ehome's lineup has no damage. | ||
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Vertical
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thats my secret free MMR pick | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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They didn't ban Puck or Spectre after the 1st game. Ofc not, it's PPY's way of zen. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:23 shouldbeworking wrote: if Fnatic fuck this up somehow I will buy a Fnatic jersey before it becomes a limited item. lol to be fair, Fnatic is kinda known for their inability to close out won games. | ||
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trollcenter
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On April 22 2016 17:24 1nobody wrote: Envys slark... Don't worry, he studied Miracle. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On April 22 2016 17:24 Elurie wrote: Whoa, Net is carry? Yeah.mushi is taking a break since a month due to his asthama getting worse during Shanghai major | ||
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yookstah
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alright | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:23 Azarkon wrote: Ehome might actually be the worst team in this tournament outside of Mineski. So early to call. Team Secret might actually maybe possibly be the worst team this tourney. Anything can happen in dota. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:25 Procake wrote: Did Spectre die twice in that fight? Had Aegis popped but he didn't buyback no? | ||
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nanaoei
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the ravage doesn't really provide anything but disengage or trapping them in an already bad fight. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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focusing duza instead of voker | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 17:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: are ehome retarded? focusing duza instead of voker Well, their middle player is also the one who makes the call... | ||
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Apparently not that hard rofl | ||
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(Both games) | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:29 Shaella wrote: "How is Bulba going to fill Universe's shoes" Apparently not that hard rofl To be fair, clown shoes are pretty big, and thus can be difficult to fill. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 22 2016 17:30 Stancel wrote: obligatory 'rtz was sent to destroy EG, now universe destroys secret' conspiracy theory I'll jump on it for now. | ||
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babysimba
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Pretty sure you need to lane tide aggressively against a spectre VS lane even if it means trading xp for your life. Once tide hits 3, tide starts dominating the lane so hard. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:27 nanaoei wrote: it feels like envy has to perform a miracle this game. the ravage doesn't really provide anything but disengage or trapping them in an already bad fight. ya I agree with this. Universe is playing badly but after the sad chen early game vs great ench early game felt like Secret was forced into this position where they can't win the fights but can't really take it late either | ||
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not that it matter though | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:30 Vertical wrote: I didnt understand the Sheever meme Here you go fam. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Gtta love EE tho, chasing that cour half the map when losing rax and your team is team fighting <3 | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:35 atrox_ wrote: What an Empire performance. Universe is trash without PPD apparently Seems like we can safely say PPD used two keyboards and two mice at that time. | ||
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lolnoty
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offlaners miss ults all the time, it's selective memory to say it was universe looking off (with missed ults as the basis~) | ||
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LMFAO | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:36 Spicy_Curry wrote: is JD the only studio that has a remote stream during lans? they're in manila tho | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:37 lolnoty wrote: blitz just said he never saw universe wiff a ravage? uhh that's not true at all, I can remember at least 3 and more on heroes like DS and faceless offlaners miss ults all the time, it's selective memory to say it was universe looking off (with missed ults as the basis~) It wasn't just one wiff. He was playing off the past two games. | ||
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Alpino
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On April 22 2016 17:37 lolnoty wrote: blitz just said he never saw universe wiff a ravage? uhh that's not true at all, I can remember at least 3 and more on heroes like DS and faceless offlaners miss ults all the time, it's selective memory to say it was universe looking off (with missed ults as the basis~) Universe played bad though, he botched the key teamfight of the game Secret had just taken the lead with 3 towers and Universe didn't ravage and everyone died. Universe and Arteezy seemed off tbh, Arteezy missed all his BKBs game 1 | ||
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Slomo
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On April 22 2016 17:37 nanaoei wrote: "were you counting how many heroes you weren't going to hit with ravage? or..." LMFAO Here is a compilation. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Spicy_Curry
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what about esl joindotared strim? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 22 2016 17:36 Squat wrote: It seems like the very fabric of the Universe has turned against secret, and the tide has finally turned. At this point, this game is kind of like watching someone kick a puppy. Closing this game out should be as easy as pie, you might even say. Let yourself out, bro. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:38 Danzo wrote: It wasn't just one wiff. He was playing off the past two games. right, and I'm saying using wiffed ults as the basis is insane, because Universe wiffs ults a lot actually | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 22 2016 17:35 atrox_ wrote: What an Empire performance. Universe is trash without PPD apparently He went to TI2 with Maelk. And TI3 with Dignitas. Don't overplay a bad series. | ||
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Hey. Don't show him the door. We need a bad pun guy. | ||
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turpentine
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On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. Winning Shanghai doesn't erase the prior months--they clearly had a lot of issues with the previous lineup | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 17:40 Taf the Ghost wrote: He went to TI2 with Maelk. And TI3 with Dignitas. Don't overplay a bad series. But Universe became a star when ppd took the reign, so.. | ||
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Racket
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On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. According to EE's interview, Universe is learning from him the new way. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:40 turpentine wrote: Winning Shanghai doesn't erase the prior months--they clearly had a lot of issues with the previous lineup The only problem I've heard was that their middle player does not agree with Puppey from time to time. | ||
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Alpino
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On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. We'll know if it was a mistake after TI. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:40 TanGeng wrote: Hey. Don't show him the door. We need a bad pun guy. I'll take up that mantle, so others won't have to. I'll be the hero you need, but not the one you deserve, or necessarily want for that matter. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:41 Racket wrote: According to EE's interview, Universe is learning from him the new way. Doesn't seem to be working. PPD > EE way | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila. Secret would need to like, embarrassingly bomb out of every single tournament. Even then, they might still be a lock from Shanghai depending on how many invites go for TI | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila. Like how they lost just about every series after Frankfurt and won Shanghai anyway. One series...pfft | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila. Secret is locked for Manila and TI6. | ||
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What they did to w33 though near the deadline. Just cold | ||
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United Kingdom1710 Posts
On April 22 2016 17:40 Taf the Ghost wrote: He went to TI2 with Maelk. And TI3 with Dignitas. Don't overplay a bad series. yeah and out in LR2 of both. What is there to overplay? Turns out he's good with a certain captain that he left... | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:44 StarVe wrote: This is what Ramzes can do with a keyboard, guys. The Chinese knew what they were doing, all along. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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You talk like major roster change didn't happen, huh. | ||
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U didn't get what he was saying . he said secret might not get direct invite to TI if they don't perform good at Manila major ..it isn't related to they locked in or not | ||
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How? They just changed rosters (2 major changes too), they need to show they can perform. If they maintain this level of performance and still get invited I'll be pretty disgusted with valve. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:43 Taf the Ghost wrote: We can probably start talking about the problem that Puppey is going to have to work out: Arteezy takes up a LOT of farm. EE takes up a LOT of farm. ppd finally solved this problem, partially due to the meta, by playing a 1/3/3/3/5 system. Their only major mistake was not banning Nature's Prophet at Shanghai. Eh, I don't agree at all. I don't see how these games had anything to do with people taking farm, the rotations from Secret achieved very little in both games and after a while their drafts were inferior. In the first game there were a few key fights that just turned the game completely for Empire and in the 2nd game somehow Secret just was not successful at all in finding good fights with their Tide+Chen+OD early power, and after a while it was again too late really to do anything. | ||
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HammerKick
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On April 22 2016 17:43 spudde123 wrote: Universe definitely just missed spells but at the same time he was rarely in a position where there was an easy button to be pressed that would lead to Secret accomplishing something. Felt to me like Secret was very hesitant to do stuff, and whenever they tried some smokes they were rather difficult to pull off. Wasn't really a particular player problem but an issue with what you do as a team. And both drafts were also such that Secret couldn't afford to have it go even like that. I think they did try to do stuff in the first game, it just didn't work out because Nyx alone wasn't enough control (especially if he's missing spells) so Empire always got their ebola off and wisp+dazzle weren't enough vs both the magical and physical damage from Empire. Probably shook them before the second game | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:47 HammerKick wrote: Guys it's only 2 games, can you wait to see the end of the event before concluding anything even if that was super bad it is not over yet EHOME should be better than that. | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:44 TanGeng wrote: It sounded like the old secret would have needed 1437 full time coaching to suppress all the team tensions. What they did to w33 though near the deadline. Just cold +1 and +1 | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:48 turpentine wrote: I think they did try to do stuff in the first game, it just didn't work out because Nyx alone wasn't enough control (especially if he's missing spells) so Empire always got their ebola off and wisp+dazzle weren't enough vs both the magical and physical damage from Empire. Probably shook them before the second game Yeah, in the first game they did try. That was more in terms of the 2nd game, their movement just was really awkward in that. First game honestly came down to a few badly taken fights (like the baited initiation on Spectre and some fight later mid I believe), and after a while there was very little Secret could do in the game even if they had a Naga. The OD was just completely useless in both games after they didn't manage to utilize his early laning advantage to get a good lead in the game. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
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Personally I feel like Universe has been slumping lately in general even before leaving EG the last few tourneys he wasn't their best player. That's not to say he's bad at all, just wasn't up to that insanely fucking high bar he set for himself, didn't have that universe sparkle. But it seems natural to have some ebbs and flows, hopefully he hits his stride again I'll always love that handsome Indian fellow. | ||
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have fun playing. | ||
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Vertical
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On April 22 2016 17:39 fangeast wrote: RTZ: Daddy fear, love me again. Universe : Peter let me suck your dick again | ||
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TanGeng
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ChickenDieAlive
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On April 22 2016 16:55 turpentine wrote: Universe tide he'll have an easier time hitting ravages than nyx spells Not sure about that anymore... | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 17:53 TanGeng wrote: another FV chen anti synergy game. Can lamn clinkz? You can blow chrono on gyro just to make him stop. Yeah, lanm can. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On April 22 2016 17:53 TanGeng wrote: another FV chen anti synergy game. Can lamn clinkz? and clinkz banned He buys blademail on clinkz sometimes | ||
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Vertical
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On April 22 2016 17:47 HammerKick wrote: Guys it's only 2 games, can you wait to see the end of the event before concluding anything even if that was super bad it is not over yet party's over guys the cops have come | ||
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On April 22 2016 17:56 Azarkon wrote: Pretty sure Ehome has hero problems - their players can't play a lot of heroes. You don't need to play versatile to win. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 22 2016 17:56 Azarkon wrote: Pretty sure Ehome has hero problems - their players can't play a lot of heroes. At Shanghai, all of China's problems related to their drafting. Somehow, in all of the shuffling, only fy (on VG.R) has gotten a little better. The problem seems to be carrying on. | ||
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Pandemona
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HammerKick
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been a while | ||
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nanaoei
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teamliquid picking ursa. NOT A SURPRISE! >:D | ||
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HammerKick
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level 1 rosh THEY ARE LEVEL 3 LMFAO | ||
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Azarkon
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So China is back to not being back. | ||
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On April 22 2016 18:11 Azarkon wrote: China isn't going to do well this tournament with Ehome playing this bad. So China is back to not being back. Since when EHOME was top3 China?) They'll still win this game even. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Back when they had Cty. But what I'm saying is, after this show, China won't get more than one invite for Manila. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Since it fits Azarkon's narrative. On April 22 2016 18:14 Azarkon wrote: Back when they had Cty. But what I'm saying is, after this show, China won't get more than one invite for Manila. Who will get last invite then in your opinion? Empire? Navi? | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On April 22 2016 18:11 Azarkon wrote: China isn't going to do well this tournament with Ehome playing this bad. So China is back to not being back. WIngs ended up beating Col in the end. You didn't expect them to do that well in your original assessment post. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 18:14 lolfail9001 wrote: Since it fits Azarkon's narrative. Who will get last invite then in your opinion? Empire? Navi? Natus Vincere I think, unless the other team wins this tournament. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 18:14 Azarkon wrote: Back when they had Cty. But what I'm saying is, after this show, China won't get more than one invite for Manila. VG.R is given. Newbee is probable. T O P 3 E S L 4 W I N G Z also | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Whoever Wins this tournament will get an invite (or, if an invite team wins, then whoever is 2nd.) Complexity & Fnatic should get invites if they make it out of group. OG takes the last spot if any 2 of Fnatic, Team Liquid, Team Secret and Complexity take the top 2 places at ESL One Manila. | ||
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On April 22 2016 18:19 Taf the Ghost wrote: Invites will be Secret, EG, MVP.P, Team Liquid and VG.R for sure. Whoever Wins this tournament will get an invite (or, if an invite team wins, then whoever is 2nd.) Complexity & Fnatic should get invites if they make it out of group. OG takes the last spot if any 2 of Fnatic, Team Liquid, Team Secret and Complexity take the top 2 places at ESL One Manila. If Secret bomb out in LB, they shouldn't get an invite. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 18:19 ForTehDarkseid wrote: EHOME can lose it. wtf is that build by Voker. Did you think they were actually going to win? Lelz. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 18:20 Azarkon wrote: Did you think they were actually going to win? Lelz. Lion+Void. Decent Invoker player should take this game with a good early game start. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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United States3789 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 18:21 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Lion+Void. Decent Invoker player should take this game with a good early game start. They didn't get a decent early game start, and on top of that, killing one hero at the start of a fight doesn't win them a fight. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 18:23 Azarkon wrote: They didn't get a decent early game start, and on top of that, killing one hero at the start of a fight doesn't win them a fight. Lion+Void is a instawon fight if Pugna got chonoed. Either way, they had a huge high-ground advantage. | ||
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mutantmagnet
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ForTehDarkseid
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Fuck, I am loving the way Wings play and draft. | ||
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Azarkon
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They are obviously in lack of individual skill. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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4REAL | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
I am this close to considering match fixing how do you even fail this hard | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On another note, that makes a Na'Vi/VG.R invite even more likely, doesn't look like EHOME will really be able to make a strong claim for the OG spot. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
the Philippines give their energy to DJ | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 18:34 StarVe wrote: EHOME vs Secret in an elimination match while Empire and Fnatic battle for the top spot. Who'd have thought that possible a couple months ago? :D Fnatic was a given. Empire though.. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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And i still stand by words that ohaiyo is still top 5 NP players in the world..might be the best NP in terms of early game rotations. his rotations are always on point. | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On April 22 2016 18:34 StarVe wrote: EHOME vs Secret in an elimination match while Empire and Fnatic battle for the top spot. Who'd have thought that possible a couple months ago? :D Throughout the the last 2 months more like it. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
before this tournament yes, in like January I would never have guessed | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 22 2016 18:36 Kamisamanachi wrote: Told ya guys, midone pugna is no joke..the guy is rekking SEA matches since a while with that hero.. happy for my boys in orange, they are playing soo good today :D Well, I can finally see what EG was trying to do at Shanghai with it. Though, obviously, murdering the Pugna in lane works. | ||
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Elurie
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On April 22 2016 18:34 StarVe wrote: EHOME vs Secret in an elimination match while Empire and Fnatic battle for the top spot. Who'd have thought that possible a couple months ago? :D Much like Secret ended up placing the same as MVP.Phoenix did in TI5, and MVP 3-0ing EG.... anything is possible! | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 18:35 Azarkon wrote: A Western team is going to win so what does it matter. w8 wot | ||
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Pandemona
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Oh well, Fnatic vs Empire for top spot! | ||
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Azarkon
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I suppose Fnatic can win, but Southeast Asian teams have done well in the beginning only to fail later before. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On April 22 2016 18:35 Azarkon wrote: A Western team is going to win so what does it matter. Get back to reality, best teams at this tourney are all from Asia. Except Empire but USSR is oriental dictatorship, so it does not count. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 18:41 lolfail9001 wrote: Get back to reality, best teams at this tourney are all from Asia. Except Empire but USSR is oriental dictatorship, so it does not count. You'll see why once we get later in the tournament. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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go game 2 | ||
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turpentine
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On April 22 2016 18:42 uriel- wrote: Liquid getting dumpstered after getting a level one rosh, good stuff LOL I missed the early game Wings is just on-point everywhere | ||
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On April 22 2016 18:47 TanGeng wrote: this is after a L1 rosh? Yeah | ||
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turpentine
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or just underestimating bambi | ||
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turpentine
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naga trolling at it's finest | ||
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On April 22 2016 19:08 nanaoei wrote: my god someone pick and and give this void an aghs Was baffled to why they need 2x heroes with diffusal without an ags for Void :s Chrono is crucial! | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 19:08 Azarkon wrote: Top Western team wins in the end. Haha, no. | ||
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Azarkon
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Yes. | ||
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Dysisa
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Are you sure? | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
rofl | ||
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turpentine
1624 Posts
too many right-clicks | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
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How can you call that a WIN is fucking beyond me. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 19:14 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can you that a win is fucking beyond me. Easy, because I know Dota and you don't. | ||
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nanaoei
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actions, not words. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 19:16 Faruko wrote: Why are teams picking naga all of a sudden? And losing anyway Secret must be doing well with it in practice... But not in the tournament. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:16 Faruko wrote: Why are teams picking naga all of a sudden? And losing anyway Hiding strats for TI8 | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:14 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can you call that a WIN is fucking beyond me. Well it's pretty simple. There's this thing called the ancient which both teams have, and when you destroy that of the other team you win. And as it just so turns out only the ancient for Wings was destroyed. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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So, w8 a fucking minute. Tier 2 Chinese team gives up top 2 Western team a Level 1 rosh. The said Western team procced to scratch out the sloppy victory in a hour. If it was the other way around, you would jump on your heels, lol, and that's what had been implied. | ||
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Azarkon
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On April 22 2016 19:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote: So, w8 a fucking minute. Tier 2 Chinese team gives up top 2 Western team a Level 1 rosh. The said Western team procced to scratch out the sloppy victory in a hour. If it was the other way around, you would jump on your heels, lol, and that's what had been implied. What is even a top Chinese team these days? The old teams are no longer what they used to be. | ||
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turpentine
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On April 22 2016 19:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote: So, w8 a fucking minute. Tier 2 Chinese team give ups top 2 Western team a Level 1 rosh. The said Western team scratches out the victory in a hour. If it was the other way around, you would jump on your heels, lol. Could you stop, you just got baited into the most obvious gotcha and you're making azarkon's platitudes look good | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Quoting his posts so I have to read them smh | ||
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On April 22 2016 19:17 Dysisa wrote: Well it's pretty simple. There's this thing called the ancient which both teams have, and when you destroy that of the other team you win. And as it just so turns out only the ancient for Wings was destroyed. Let's not be delusional, it wasn't even about Liquid winning/losing that game. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:20 uriel- wrote: Replying to azarkon smh Quoting his posts so I have to read them smh Still telling everyone you don't read them? http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/507881-zsmj-kicked-from-white-fries-gaming?page=2 How do you explain this. | ||
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nanaoei
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On April 22 2016 19:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote: So, w8 a fucking minute. Tier 2 Chinese team give ups top 2 Western team a Level 1 rosh. The said Western team scratches out the victory in a hour. If it was the other way around, you would jump on your heels, lol. give it a rest for your own sake man. you don't need to let his words define anything, lol. it was a close game, and that satanic was absolutely sick. literally bought 5 seconds time if not more. if i were the naga i would just sell octarine and stack an AC or an abyssal. when it gets that late, even daedalus or a yolo rapier might have achieved something. | ||
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Repulse87
Singapore19 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:20 turpentine wrote: Could you stop, you just got baited into the most obvious gotcha and you're making azarkon's platitudes look good Well, he tries too hard. And he's on the wrong (dark) side you know.. | ||
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On April 22 2016 19:19 Azarkon wrote: What is even a top Chinese team these days? The old teams are no longer what they used to be. Oh yeah, I expected that excuse. By the current look of things, the only tier-1 team at this tournament is Fnatic. God bless us all they aren't Western by 1%. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:23 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Oh yeah, I expected that excuse. By the current look of things, the only tier-1 team at this tournament is Fnatic. God bless us all they aren't Western by 1%. We'll see by the end whether this is the case. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 19:21 nanaoei wrote: give it a rest for your own sake man. you don't need to let his words define anything, lol. It will never get old calling Azarkon on his BS. That's why he is posting in this thread, ffs. | ||
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United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:24 TanGeng wrote: Here I'm wondering what a Tier 1 western team looks like.... smh Not Secret in the first two games. | ||
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LennX
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On April 22 2016 19:20 uriel- wrote: Replying to azarkon Quoting his posts so I have to read them Why are there people still feedng the trolls? sigh | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
I'm calling coL making the semifinals. They're the only team to get a win while loosing the Bo3 | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
it's still early on, and this is just seeding for bracket play. losing twice during groups (0-2) means you're on shaky ground. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:24 ForTehDarkseid wrote: It will never get old calling Azarkon on his BS. That's why he is posting in this thread, ffs. Goku take my power | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:28 Artisreal wrote: What's smh? I'm calling coL making the semifinals. They're the only team to get a win while loosing the Bo3 smh = shaking my head | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:24 TanGeng wrote: Here I'm wondering what a Tier 1 western team looks like.... smh Team Empire and Na'Vi, CIS best Dota | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:21 Azarkon wrote: Still telling everyone you don't read them? http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/507881-zsmj-kicked-from-white-fries-gaming?page=2 How do you explain this. m8 I just have to click a button to see your posts, otherwise they show up as some gibberish. Can't blame me for hoping to amuse myself once in awhile. I have to admit 9 times out of 10 I end up disappointed because you ran out of new material about a year ago. | ||
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On April 22 2016 19:31 cecek wrote: Azarkon baiting all of you so hard here. What a legend. Honestly, I don't know who baits who any more. | ||
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nanaoei
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:31 TanGeng wrote: @uriel- It's the sideshow. In case the game itself ever gets too boring. I make it like a game where I try to guess the content of the post before revealing it. It's not a very hard game. | ||
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LennX
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On April 22 2016 19:31 Taf the Ghost wrote: They closed the 2nd stream after the first round of games were all over. So, I guess the last 4 series will be played on the Main? This is not good. I'm getting lots of feedback on the mainstream especially when the casters breathe into their mic. Hope the issue will be fixed by then. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:31 Taf the Ghost wrote: They closed the 2nd stream after the first round of games were all over. So, I guess the last 4 series will be played on the Main? There is only 2 series left. Liquid vs Wings Empire vs Fnatic Losers and Final matches tomorrow. | ||
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On April 22 2016 19:33 uriel- wrote: I make it like a game where I try to guess the content of the post before revealing it. It's not a very hard game. Are you 100%? | ||
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TanGeng
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On April 22 2016 19:34 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Jerax Earth Spirit, too bad I have to leave. Me too. Hopefully I can still get back in for the Fnatic game. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Haven't exactly kept score but the post-game ones must be pretty close. He has a pattern to his post-game comments, if a Chinese team wins he blames the draft, if the Chinese team wins the series he brings up the existence of some other "better" Western team and says that the series doesn't mean anything because that team wasn't involved. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
is there a point in playing the game even now? NVM All in push time | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
ember AM ursa with a sprinkle of PL and juggernaut pretty good! what other heroes can you guys think of? | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:41 nanaoei wrote: you can certainly tell which heroes matumba really prefers or rather, kuro prefers him to have. ember AM ursa with a sprinkle of PL and juggernaut pretty good! what other heroes can you guys think of? Necrolyte >_> | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 19:39 LemOn wrote: eh is there a point in playing the game even now? NVM All in push time Push game is a game like no others. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
LOL true that. but other pros are practicing that these days. namely notail LOL | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Thank you, Sir. I agree that NaVi looks kinda strong. I say kinda because they were behind vs VP in 2 out of their 3 games yesterday. Even though they won 3:0, it wasn't as convincing and, imo, more due to mistakes of VP in closing out the game than their dominance. Still they look really strong for exactly that, for being able to punish mistakes like those of VP. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 19:41 nanaoei wrote: you can certainly tell which heroes matumba really prefers or rather, kuro prefers him to have. ember AM ursa with a sprinkle of PL and juggernaut pretty good! what other heroes can you guys think of? gyro/sven. It's the meta, not personal preferences. | ||
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nanaoei
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On April 22 2016 19:42 Artisreal wrote: Thank you, Sir. I agree that NaVi looks kinda strong. I say kinda because they were behind vs VP in 2 out of their 3 games yesterday. Even though they won 3:0, it wasn't as convincing and, imo, more due to mistakes of VP in closing out the game than their dominance. Still they look really strong for exactly that, for being able to punish mistakes like those of VP. poor VP though, no major tournaments for a while. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
Kevin "Purge" Godec @BlitzDota | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
Really like Wings drafts. So diverse. Now it looks like trademark MVP. EHOME, you watch and learn. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
Waow. | ||
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On April 22 2016 19:45 HammerKick wrote: https://twitter.com/theflyingdj/status/723455655638495232 Waow. Empire would like that stage, yummy! | ||
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On April 22 2016 19:45 HammerKick wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/theflyingdj/status/723455655638495232 Waow. Expecting internet or power issues! | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
what game please | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
but the kids beat him up on his way out | ||
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:42 ForTehDarkseid wrote: gyro/sven. It's the meta, not personal preferences. Personal preferences certainly play a role tho, Matumbaman has always been a good ember/AM and Liquid picked Ursa before it was meta, especially with Omni. Of course he's a good enough carry to play what's meta but he definitely has preferences. | ||
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nanaoei
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turpentine
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unlike other nyxes (nyxii?) Still, much easier to get the stun when there's a venge stun first | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:56 turpentine wrote: "This nyx has been playing really well" unlike other nyxes (nyxii?) Still, much easier to get the stun when there's a venge stun first we won't talk about universe, will we | ||
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Dysisa
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nanaoei
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despite am having the worst time of his life, being used and abused by various arachnid, they can't keep him down forever. towers need to be taken pretty soon to keep it rolling i think. | ||
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bluzi
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cecek
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nanaoei
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nyx was super overleveled and died twice. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:57 Dysisa wrote: I know the game's far from over and all, but Wings look surprisingly good so far. I saw they beat coL too? It's nice seeing a Chinese team full of newcomers (and Iceice) perform well again. So much for China not having any new blood. Azarkon responding in 3... 2... 1... | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 22 2016 19:57 Dysisa wrote: I know the game's far from over and all, but Wings look surprisingly good so far. I saw they beat coL too? It's nice seeing a Chinese team full of newcomers (and Iceice) perform well again. So much for China not having any new blood. Well, let's just hope they're not cheating like at WCA. But they are playing a lot better. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
so much potential for innuendo missed right there | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:04 Salazarz wrote: How is Kuroky so poor on enigma, he has like what 6k net worth at 20 min AM is eating his jungle. | ||
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turpentine
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On April 22 2016 20:05 nanaoei wrote: very important point by purge, NP is all they need for split push and buying time this game. Banning neither furion nor earth spirit :/ | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
there is no way anyone else can survive a bkb blackhole | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
The nyx still doing work, dieback? Who cares Manaburn is pretty good even vs. a no stats Prophet. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:05 Taf the Ghost wrote: Well, let's just hope they're not cheating like at WCA. But they are playing a lot better. Yeah, true. But I want to believe that cheating like that would be a bit harder at ESL than at a ghetto tourney like WCA. | ||
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nanaoei
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On April 22 2016 20:10 Artisreal wrote: Manta already on AM. The nyx still doing work, dieback? Who cares Manaburn is pretty good even vs. a no stats Prophet.man very true, mana-less NP is actually such a burden. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
It's not like AM is jungling before 10 minutes though, a typical pub enigma has blink+boots+soul ring+random misc crap for a total of like 4-5k around 10-12 minutes ;_; weird to see. Juggernaut's actually keeping up with AM farm-wise too, not looking good for Liquid I think, if Wings don't gift them another fight or two like that at ancients | ||
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nanaoei
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actually maybe it's entirely accounted for or is a blessing in disguise. a drawn out game could go very well for wings as well. | ||
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nanaoei
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he crit once or twice too. | ||
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nanaoei
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with an aoe silence there's a good chance he lives and DP does enough to shove them away. | ||
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HammerKick
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On April 22 2016 20:16 Pandemona wrote: Yeh not Kuro's best game this one Until this point | ||
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uriel-
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"This is what happens when a top Western team is playing" How'd I do boys | ||
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nanaoei
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On April 22 2016 20:26 uriel- wrote: OK I am going to guess the contents of the above post by A-God "This is what happens when a top Western team is playing" How'd I do boys hey not bad, work on your arrangement though! | ||
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turpentine
1624 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:24 Pandemona wrote: That was all Matumbaman, the abyssl on the Jugg and the fail from Wisp caused the rest of that to happen. God knows why Wings went to fight that after jugg died They were kinda feed-training in those last fights. Underestimating how quickly all of Liquid could be on top of them | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:27 nanaoei wrote: hey not bad, work on your arrangement though! "This is what top Western teams do to Chinese teams"? | ||
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nanaoei
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On April 22 2016 20:27 uriel- wrote: "This is what top Western teams do to Chinese teams"? colder your first one was money this time but with less feeling and "i suppose" lol | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:27 uriel- wrote: "This is what top Western teams do to Chinese teams"? Much better | ||
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lolfail9001
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:26 lolfail9001 wrote: Actually Azarkon is right, Liquid looks like best team at this event by... well a solid mile. Wings are good but throwier than Clown 9. No one said he's wrong He's just annoying | ||
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nanaoei
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both teams look great! SEA dota is interesting, empire dota is clean and concise. it's like watching OG and MVP respectively. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
MC died a couple of times in his jungle but that allowed AM to farm in his place. Somehow he still kept up the farm and was there when needed, pressured lanes and survived the pushes. Feeding AM the mango was a funny move. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:31 nanaoei wrote: alright empire vs fnatic in 30m both teams look great! SEA dota is interesting, empire dota is clean and concise. it's like watching OG and MVP respectively. Super anticipating this matchup, both teams look like they have some cool things to show | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:31 icyF wrote: What exactly is the format for the group stage? It's very vaguely explained both in this thread and on Liquipedia. A vs B - Game 1 C vs D - Game 2 Winner Game1 vs Winner Game2 <-- Game 3, Winner is 1st place Loser Game1 vs Loser Game2 <- Game 4, last place finish for the team that lost Loser Game3 vs Winner Game4 for 2nd / 3rd place | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 20:31 Azarkon wrote: You guys know he could easily see my post right? Not that it makes it any different. The best team will win in the end. I personally don't care whether it's a Chinese team. I just don't think they have what it takes. Chinese? Not Eastern?) The best team is two series away from the elimination. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:33 Toadesstern wrote: A vs B - Game 1 C vs D - Game 2 Winner Game1 vs Winner Game2 <-- Game 3, Winner is 1st place Loser Game1 vs Loser Game2 <- Game 4, last place finish for the team that lost Loser Game3 vs Winner Game4 for 2nd / 3rd place Is it straight up double elim from the group stages? So Liquid are already in WB finals? Edit: Or GSL style, 2 teams go through from each group and then 1A vs 2B, 2A vs 1B maybe. | ||
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Azarkon
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Southeast Asian can win. It's hard, but they can. | ||
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On April 22 2016 20:34 Azarkon wrote: Southeast Asian can win. It's hard, but they can. So far, it looks like miduan will crush any other mid at the tourney to death. And we all know what happens next. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:34 uriel- wrote: Is it straight up double elim from the group stages? So Liquid are already in WB finals? I don't know anything about double elim but from the looks of it there's no double elim at all and the above is just for "seeding". You do it twice (group A + group B) and you end up with the top 2 teams in both teams playing out the 4-team brackets On April 22 2016 20:34 uriel- wrote: Edit: Or GSL style, 2 teams go through from each group and then 1A vs 2B, 2A vs 1B maybe. yeah that | ||
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Pandemona
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Tomorrow Schedule; Losers Match 1 (Mineski vs Complexity) Losers Match 2 (Secret vs EHOME) Final Match 1 (Wings vs Mineski/Complexity) Final Match 2 | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:36 ForTehDarkseid wrote: So far, it looks like miduan will crush any other mid at the tourney to death. And we all know what happens next. Because of two games against one of the worst middle players in professional Dota? He's one of the best middle players out there, but there are plenty of top European and American middle players who are able to stand up to him, including a few in this tournament. | ||
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nanaoei
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On April 22 2016 20:31 icyF wrote: What exactly is the format for the group stage? It's very vaguely explained both in this thread and on Liquipedia. i'm going to try my best as a major newb. these are GSL groups. consider that both groups are played at the same time if possible. A vs B C vs D winner vs winner ---------------------------------- that is the first event day loser vs loser [winner of losers] play [losers of winners] loser of either goes home in last and second last respectively. (i believe) ultimately this decides playoffs/brackets in SEMIFINAL > grandfinal which are played same day? grandfinals may be left for the last day on the 24th, any segment of the above like leaving one semifinal > grandfinal combined to be the final event day. | ||
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icyF
Finland305 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:36 Toadesstern wrote: I don't know anything about double elim but from the looks of it there's no double elim at all and the above is just for "seeding". You do it twice (group A + group B) and you end up with the top 2 teams in both teams playing out the 4-team brackets yeah that Thanks! I thought that this is probably the case, but the way it was presented on page 1 could mean anything. | ||
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nanaoei
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dj's chen is sick. i hope letting it through was worth it. aaand oh my god bat is just flying circles around lifestealer + venge, literally. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 20:38 Azarkon wrote: Because of two games against one of the worst middle players in professional Dota? He's one of the best middle players out there, but there are plenty of top European and American middle players who are able to stand up to him, including a few in this tournament. Because aside from rtz, he doesn't even have a competition. Fata managed to lose lane as viper to wr with a Lvl 1 rosh advantage. Scandal is only good on 2 heroes max. Limpp isn't known for dominating mid performances either. | ||
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nanaoei
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but are the rebels just lucky? nah. they just forgot about the chen heal. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 22 2016 20:51 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Because aside from rtz, he doesn't even have a competition. Fata managed to lose lane as viper to wr with a Lvl 1 rosh advantage. Scandal is only good on 2 heroes max. Limpp isn't known for dominating mid performances either. All of those players are able to handle him. I think this game shows it. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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ohaiyo out of control | ||
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caiovigg
Brazil1802 Posts
It makes me so happy that a team that refuses to play games get rekt when they finally have to play a real match. Hope they realise you can't just scrim, you have to actually play something that matters to get better as a team. | ||
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nanaoei
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On April 22 2016 21:07 caiovigg wrote: Just woke up and saw that secret lost 2-0 to empire. It makes me so happy that a team that refuses to play games get rekt when they finally have to play a real match. Hope they realise you can't just scrim, you have to actually play something that matters to get better as a team. what do you mean by playing something that matters? most players were playing strictly scrims recently, if you take a look at dota profiles. (how there aren't any games recorded) i've also been paying attention to dotatv and very few players on pro-teams were playing more than a handful of pubs a day. what it seems like is that pubs are warmup or wind-down for them. | ||
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On April 22 2016 21:12 Dysisa wrote: That was some Xboct shit from Net, I love it lmao not the cleanest plays tho..but yeah, u can compare that to xboct plays..i think he is just taking food getting prepared for him in game | ||
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nanaoei
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this has turned into a pub game, in the words of moonmeander | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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ohaiyo , u map hacker....fucking | ||
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http://www.hitbox.tv/esl-dota2 | ||
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nanaoei
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it's the fact that he can afford it comfortably and it's relevant in this game. | ||
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nanaoei
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force staff warstomp? LOL | ||
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nanaoei
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going to need to initiate hacker.exe a few more times to close out this game. | ||
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Azarkon
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That said, I think the fact that they were able to win without their middle player doing well early game, increases my respect for this team. | ||
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spectre was haunting chen play was enlightening and uh the invoker was magical | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Liquid may have a say about it, but it's all on matumbaman vs net. | ||
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caiovigg
Brazil1802 Posts
On April 22 2016 21:10 nanaoei wrote: what do you mean by playing something that matters? most players were playing strictly scrims recently, if you take a look at dota profiles. (how there aren't any games recorded) i've also been paying attention to dotatv and very few players on pro-teams were playing more than a handful of pubs a day. what it seems like is that pubs are warmup or wind-down for them. Not really, only some of the tier 1 teams were playing exclusively scrims. Empire for example is in the dreamleague qualifiers, fnatic play every qualifier in SEA, ehome play every qualifier in China, etc. Secret is declining lots of tournaments: starladder, dreamleague, dotapit, and some others that are still going to happen. Empire just couldn't qualify over Navi, No Diggty and VP but was able to beat secret 2-0. I really think this trend of teams declining all the invites need to stop, and I'm really happy when some of them get rekt by a team that is playing hard a qualifier for weeks. First teams started to complain about online qualifiers. Now they are declining LAN events. Soon they will play exclusively on the majors and that's it | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
It got so boring with everyone getting invited to tournaments. There might be going on dota now but it's boring dota. Just go back to pre Majors. There used to be 1-2 invites for a tournament - the qualifiers were stacked. Now its 4-6 with many teams not even considering taking an invite. I watched about 7000-9000 pro dota 2 games | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Secret lost to Russians. Tomorrow they decide once and for all who should ready his ass for a disband after the major. | ||
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caiovigg
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On April 22 2016 21:36 Nyan wrote: I followed every tournament since the beginning of dota2 but everything changed when valve attacked with their majors =| It got so boring with everyone getting invited to tournaments. There might be going on dota now but it's boring dota. Just go back to pre Majors. There used to be 1-2 invites for a tournament - the qualifiers were stacked. Now its 4-6 with many teams not even considering taking an invite. I watched about 7000-9000 pro dota 2 games I was really scared that the same thing would happen with CSGO, but I guess it's safe for now because the majors prize pool is a million and there are already tournaments with 750k prize pool. CS have been so much better to watch, almost every day there is a match between 2 top 5 teams. I kinda wish secret and EG lose every LAN they attend so they start playing more. OG is playing very few games as well, but they have been invited to all the tournaments so it's hard to say they would decline playing an online qualifier. | ||
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On April 22 2016 21:51 Elurie wrote: This ursa pick is kinda questionable. Good against Ench, Doom and gyro. Empire needed void for LP imo and aggressive trilane ursa. | ||
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On April 22 2016 21:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Good against Ench, Doom and gyro. Empire needed void for LP imo and aggressive trilane ursa. yep. As of yet it seems like that. As long as he doesnt get doomed and as long as lion ravages Empire Ursa is gonna wreck them! e: and yeah. ohaio | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 22 2016 21:31 caiovigg wrote: Not really, only some of the tier 1 teams were playing exclusively scrims. Empire for example is in the dreamleague qualifiers, fnatic play every qualifier in SEA, ehome play every qualifier in China, etc. Secret is declining lots of tournaments: starladder, dreamleague, dotapit, and some others that are still going to happen. Empire just couldn't qualify over Navi, No Diggty and VP but was able to beat secret 2-0. I really think this trend of teams declining all the invites need to stop, and I'm really happy when some of them get rekt by a team that is playing hard a qualifier for weeks. First teams started to complain about online qualifiers. Now they are declining LAN events. Soon they will play exclusively on the majors and that's it Yeah, OG had an absurd amount of online qualifiers games before their major win, I think it's one of the best practice possible. | ||
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spudde123
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On April 22 2016 22:07 Pandemona wrote: This Empire team beat Secret 2-0 as well damn, not sure what to make of Secret now 0.o If you look at the majors for example, Secret struggled a lot against Newbee Young at Frankfurt on day 1 (a team that ended up being last place) and got smashed by MVP at Shanghai. One series alone shows very little about the strength or weakness of a team. | ||
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Pandemona
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On April 22 2016 22:10 spudde123 wrote: If you look at the majors for example, Secret struggled a lot against Newbee Young at Frankfurt on day 1 (a team that ended up being last place) and got smashed by MVP at Shanghai. One series alone shows very little about the strength or weakness of a team. Of course but it was a beat down, the MVP game was also a bit different as well. They looked awkward in there team fighting and very off. | ||
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Artisreal
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On April 22 2016 22:07 Pandemona wrote: This Empire team beat Secret 2-0 as well damn, not sure what to make of Secret now 0.o I don't think that you can translate results into "power levels" like that. I feel that every game is more or less a fresh start at the moment with lots of game-specific momentum needed rather than previous performance. Especially for supposedly top tier teams like secret, mvp and to some extend eg (they just like secret havent played official games in a while). Could also just be my impression though. e: fights are going one way then the other and after a looping 10 ppl are dead | ||
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On April 22 2016 22:15 Faruko wrote: Im not sure who is ahead, Invoker is super farmed, but ursa its pretty much worthless, while Empire has 3 cores decently farmed bat rider with NS aghs vision. Good hero. lololol They on a clock though | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On April 22 2016 21:30 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Eziest Tournament of Fnatic's life. Liquid may have a say about it, but it's all on matumbaman vs net. Lol you are such a angry guy, quite funny too | ||
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Faruko
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empire deff ahead now ok that gem loss is HUGE | ||
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Kipsate
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not sure if I still find that hilarious/fun or bullshit. | ||
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On April 22 2016 22:32 Spicy_Curry wrote: does empire peak during TI this year? I doubt it. At least they won't peak like other teams peak so it will look like they are failing back. | ||
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On April 22 2016 22:32 Spicy_Curry wrote: does empire peak during TI this year? Empire wins manila people hype them as the new potential ti champions go out in group stages and LB round 1 everything back to normal and the circle is complete | ||
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e: nvm they dont push | ||
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On April 22 2016 22:34 Faruko wrote: Empire wins manila people hype them as the new potential ti champions go out in group stages and LB round 1 everything back to normal and the circle is complete p much true for all cis teams not called navi lol. VP did decent last ti I guess. | ||
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this shit has been going for far too long | ||
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this is how you lose | ||
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Gear 3rd
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On April 22 2016 22:48 Gear 3rd wrote: I knew hell go for the rapier and its a bad decision... on another note does the steam have lag issues or is it just me? It's on their end. hitbox stream is laggy as well. | ||
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been very good showing so far. | ||
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On April 22 2016 22:57 Spicy_Curry wrote: yo watch russian strim no lag aight | ||
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On April 22 2016 22:57 Spicy_Curry wrote: yo watch russian strim no lag thx for tip | ||
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even the spirits | ||
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Kipsate
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also impressive from Empire. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Ench taking 2-3 seconds to force doom wasn't the play e: how is the english stream still playing the game x_x | ||
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Germany3509 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
It's always going to look bad when a rapier play fails, doesn't mean it was a retarded decision to throw. Geesh. | ||
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:07 uriel- wrote: Do people flaming the rapier forget that one fight where Gyro turned on everyone and almost scored a team wipe? It's always going to look bad when a rapier play fails, doesn't mean it was a retarded decision to throw. Geesh. I think he would've still survived with a Deadalus instead, but it's hard to tell. | ||
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sunrazgriz
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:03 Kipsate wrote: impressive from Fnatic also impressive from Empire. lol | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On April 22 2016 23:09 sunrazgriz wrote: that rapier buy much better than secret ravage Ouch | ||
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Pandemona
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
It wasn't the items, it was the misplay in my opinion. | ||
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Navi+empire would be sweet! | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:17 Artisreal wrote: I mean, it's not the rapier. It's being outside base without swap/oracle/linkens to save gyro from being lasso'd by a hasted force bat. It wasn't the items, it was the misplay in my opinion. That's not was cost him the initial Rapier. That was the critical point where they fucked up. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:26 CruelZeratul wrote: That's not was cost him the initial Rapier. That was the critical point where they fucked up. Ok, I diddnt catch that scene. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:23 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Will Empire get an invite if they win the deciding series? Navi+empire would be sweet! I'd say fnatic+Navi+VG seem like the 3 teams to invite followed up by battle royale for the last slot? col, OG, LGD and who knows what finishes well here is in that pool and fnatic+TL+Secret owning is probably best case scenario for those since those 3 get an invite no matter what anyways. So there would be no obvious "omg, this team just won ESL One Manila. Need to invite!!!", which would be the case if one of the others wins | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:23 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Will Empire get an invite if they win the deciding series? Navi+empire would be sweet! wat.. for a top4 place are you serious? | ||
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