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On March 06 2016 13:46 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Came back to read rtz naga is wayy above loda,burning and meracle naga..yea, delusion is good if it is under control..there is no way in the world rtz is far better than them and there was a time where loda was considered best naga when alliance used to win on back of it..his illusion control was one of the most insane ive seen on the hero.
Arteezy farmed and illusion controlled fine, just no way in hell with the way Liquid were playing he could get farmed fast enough.
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If it's JJ Lin I'll be so jealous of the audience that gets to hear him sing live D=
Went to his Vancouver concert a few weeks ago, soooooooooo good
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On March 06 2016 13:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On March 06 2016 13:41 mutantmagnet wrote:
Liquid mostly outplayed EG but I seriously wonder what the hell PPD was thinking with that naga draft. Enigma and Witchdoctor I felt were really inappropriate from the start and when the bottle snipe occurred the limitations of using them as supports exposed their inability to control space for the team when the Zeus desperately needed it.
I even question drafting Dark Seer.
The naga pick makes sense actually it's really good against liquid's lineup if it gets fat what they didn't anticipate was getting roled hard yo goody o/ I'm still waiting for your weekly konosuba picture recap  Other than that, didn't expect that we both would get our fav teams in the finals. I'll even allow your team to get 2 games before ultimately falling short of closing up the entire thing.
Wassup toad! o/
I've seen konosuba already but i just haven't made the post. Will do it soon !
On March 06 2016 13:48 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On March 06 2016 13:41 mutantmagnet wrote:
Liquid mostly outplayed EG but I seriously wonder what the hell PPD was thinking with that naga draft. Enigma and Witchdoctor I felt were really inappropriate from the start and when the bottle snipe occurred the limitations of using them as supports exposed their inability to control space for the team when the Zeus desperately needed it.
I even question drafting Dark Seer.
The naga pick makes sense actually it's really good against liquid's lineup if it gets fat what they didn't anticipate was getting roled hard I don't mind them picking Naga at all. I mind what they decided to do to build up to her. Their lineup needed a lot more aggression and to a lesser extent stacking potential from the supports. The remaining cores were sort of ok but I feel if Enigma wasn't picked they would've been more thoughtful on Universe's hero.
Yeah this consistent DS for universe what is up with that .. and universe was pretty off that game he can't execute some of the vacuum-trump properly at all
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On March 06 2016 13:49 babysimba wrote:
JJ Lin plays dota too, he pubs with 430 if i'm not wrong
yea..he used to play lot of pubs with 430
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I don't even know how people analyze players in a game that was lost at minute 5. I'm sure you just say the lanes and draft were bad and move on.
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The more i think of it, it's really hard to draft against TL. You gotta ban Earth Spirit, NP, Razor, DP, Ursa.
And also, FATA has been impressive
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Liquid has gone so far since being put together.
Mutumbaman as well. This guy is underrated as hell, one of the best carries.
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On March 06 2016 13:52 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:49 Toadesstern wrote:On March 06 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On March 06 2016 13:41 mutantmagnet wrote:
Liquid mostly outplayed EG but I seriously wonder what the hell PPD was thinking with that naga draft. Enigma and Witchdoctor I felt were really inappropriate from the start and when the bottle snipe occurred the limitations of using them as supports exposed their inability to control space for the team when the Zeus desperately needed it.
I even question drafting Dark Seer.
The naga pick makes sense actually it's really good against liquid's lineup if it gets fat what they didn't anticipate was getting roled hard yo goody o/ I'm still waiting for your weekly konosuba picture recap Other than that, didn't expect that we both would get our fav teams in the finals. I'll even allow your team to get 2 games before ultimately falling short of closing up the entire thing. Wassup toad! o/ I've seen konosuba already but i just haven't made the post. Will do it soon !
going to be honest with you. Did not expect Liquid to crush EG that badly. Not sure how I'm supposed to feel. Obviously happy but that leaves me at 6am not having slept yet waiting for finals when the plan was to just watch first game-lose into ragequit game2 and sleep lol
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On March 06 2016 13:41 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:41 Vertical wrote:On March 06 2016 13:40 Stancel wrote:
shit Red = EHOME win ? oh come on dude chinese dota is shit
Maybe Swindlez made rotK so mad he started practicing.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0lWWfhU.png)
:D
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On March 06 2016 13:48 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:47 SupLilSon wrote:On March 06 2016 13:46 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Came back to read rtz naga is wayy above loda,burning and meracle naga..yea, delusion is good if it is under control..there is no way in the world rtz is far better than them and there was a time where loda was considered best naga when alliance used to win on back of it..his illusion control was one of the most insane ive seen on the hero. Lol what..? RTZ is far better than Loda on naga lol what? i don't think so..
I think yes and no
Rtz is better but alliance as a team its better at playing around the hero
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We get a c9 finals reunion again boys !
(well just one c9 from liquid but last major OG also had 1 c9 player)
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On March 06 2016 13:52 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:49 Toadesstern wrote:On March 06 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On March 06 2016 13:41 mutantmagnet wrote:
Liquid mostly outplayed EG but I seriously wonder what the hell PPD was thinking with that naga draft. Enigma and Witchdoctor I felt were really inappropriate from the start and when the bottle snipe occurred the limitations of using them as supports exposed their inability to control space for the team when the Zeus desperately needed it.
I even question drafting Dark Seer.
The naga pick makes sense actually it's really good against liquid's lineup if it gets fat what they didn't anticipate was getting roled hard yo goody o/ I'm still waiting for your weekly konosuba picture recap Other than that, didn't expect that we both would get our fav teams in the finals. I'll even allow your team to get 2 games before ultimately falling short of closing up the entire thing. Wassup toad! o/ I've seen konosuba already but i just haven't made the post. Will do it soon ! Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:48 mutantmagnet wrote:On March 06 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On March 06 2016 13:41 mutantmagnet wrote:
Liquid mostly outplayed EG but I seriously wonder what the hell PPD was thinking with that naga draft. Enigma and Witchdoctor I felt were really inappropriate from the start and when the bottle snipe occurred the limitations of using them as supports exposed their inability to control space for the team when the Zeus desperately needed it.
I even question drafting Dark Seer.
The naga pick makes sense actually it's really good against liquid's lineup if it gets fat what they didn't anticipate was getting roled hard I don't mind them picking Naga at all. I mind what they decided to do to build up to her. Their lineup needed a lot more aggression and to a lesser extent stacking potential from the supports. The remaining cores were sort of ok but I feel if Enigma wasn't picked they would've been more thoughtful on Universe's hero. Yeah this consistent DS for universe what is up with that .. and universe was pretty off that game he can't execute some of the vacuum-trump properly at all
Dunno with the first pick dark seers where earlier they were playing more tide, more big team fight control. Why all the dark seer picks all of a sudden when no one else been running it? Seems strange.
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On March 06 2016 13:50 lolnoty wrote:
If you think Loda naga is better you literally do not watch the game. Watch minimap when he plays, his illusion control is nothing close to RTZ. He gets less farm from each illusion, less wave cutting, and less damage done overall. Burning is about 4 steps below even Loda...
watch minimaps during naga games
Loda "remembers" to do wave cutting when he's behind (not so much otherwise) so yea he's pretty bad in that regard LOL
But then again RTZ sometimes just leaves illusions randomly in the jungle doing nothing and using radiance burn on nothing for like 5 seconds so I get pretty annoyed by that too.
Overall RTZ is a much better farming carry which carries over to his naga, but to suggest that he is some sort of godlike naga on gut feeling without even trying to think of at least the reasons you mentioned above is ridiculous.
Edit: Also remember a lot of the naga attention for RTZ came around at the time where he was also shaping the meta by doing the mid bottle naga stuff.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 06 2016 13:55 Kamisamanachi wrote::D
The savagery is real
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On March 06 2016 13:53 brinepumps wrote:
The more i think of it, it's really hard to draft against TL. You gotta ban Earth Spirit, NP, Razor, DP, Ursa.
And also, FATA has been impressive
people don't first phase ban Razor/DP/Ursa. It's doable if you can play their heroes
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On March 06 2016 13:53 brinepumps wrote:
The more i think of it, it's really hard to draft against TL. You gotta ban Earth Spirit, NP, Razor, DP, Ursa.
And also, FATA has been impressive
Solution
Play Earth Spirit as well,
Ban NP tusk
Pick ursa if you're first pick or something else
ban dp or kuroky heroes.
pick good midlaner that can farm no matter what almost and dont get bottle sniped
pick a carry that can go late, but also fight, like spectre
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Game 2 was won by Jerax when he sniped Zeus's bottle.
It's me or does the panel today is all BTS studios guys ?
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On March 06 2016 13:56 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:53 brinepumps wrote:
The more i think of it, it's really hard to draft against TL. You gotta ban Earth Spirit, NP, Razor, DP, Ursa.
And also, FATA has been impressive Solution Play Earth Spirit as well, Ban NP tusk Pick ursa if you're first pick or something else ban dp or kuroky heroes. pick good midlaner that can farm no matter what almost and dont get bottle sniped pick a carry that can go late, but also fight, like spectre
aka Secret G1 strat lol.
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On March 06 2016 13:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 13:52 goody153 wrote:On March 06 2016 13:49 Toadesstern wrote:On March 06 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On March 06 2016 13:41 mutantmagnet wrote:
Liquid mostly outplayed EG but I seriously wonder what the hell PPD was thinking with that naga draft. Enigma and Witchdoctor I felt were really inappropriate from the start and when the bottle snipe occurred the limitations of using them as supports exposed their inability to control space for the team when the Zeus desperately needed it.
I even question drafting Dark Seer.
The naga pick makes sense actually it's really good against liquid's lineup if it gets fat what they didn't anticipate was getting roled hard yo goody o/ I'm still waiting for your weekly konosuba picture recap Other than that, didn't expect that we both would get our fav teams in the finals. I'll even allow your team to get 2 games before ultimately falling short of closing up the entire thing. Wassup toad! o/ I've seen konosuba already but i just haven't made the post. Will do it soon ! going to be honest with you. Did not expect Liquid to crush EG that badly. Not sure how I'm supposed to feel. Obviously happy but that leaves me at 6am not having slept yet waiting for finals when the plan was to just watch first game-lose into ragequit game2 and sleep lol
rofl good plan. Now i'm sure you ain't planning on sleeping it's finals time !!
well i expected EG to win too but whatever works i like all 3 teams so idc who gets into the finals actually
this time though we ain't cheering for the same team since i like secret more than liquid
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