EPTOn January 30 2016 14:52 apes wrote:
free fy + fenrir imo, these vg cores are doo doo
free fy + fenrir imo, these vg cores are doo doo
their drafts are the main reason they lost..stop blaming and sterotyping players every game..
[MDL] Winter 2015 Playoffs Day 3 - Page 22
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Kamisamanachi
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their drafts are the main reason they lost..stop blaming and sterotyping players every game.. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On January 30 2016 14:53 Taf the Ghost wrote: What was going on with Lone Druid & VG is likely this: Lone Druid is a power-pick right now. But you need to build your draft around him. The Split-push/Alliance style from Starladder already seemed a bit dead at MDL. (Not having Bulldog, I think, is the problem there.) But EG has run it as 1 or 3 here at MDL. Much like with Vengeful, it's a multi-position draft ruiner.  Alliance drafts work because s4 does not get farm priority | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 30 2016 14:53 trifecta wrote: tbf EG targeted him the hardest, blew 3-4 solo songs on him Huge value in early pick-offs on Lone Druid. He's basically a Hard Carry, though with early split-push ability. Getting the Midas delayed puts a 2k value sink on him until about 25 minutes in, when he's at 8k net worth. You pretty much erase a huge % of VG's net worth from all team fights by those ganks. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On January 30 2016 14:54 dutchfriese wrote: Because he was farming like a fucking retard half the time. EG was just exploiting the obvious weakness. those bear feeding's were qustionable at times ..and in bot lane where VG lost 2 heroes and rosh to EG...ice3's hero and bear both were in between 4 EG heroes tanking all the damage..i dont think thats how u play LD lmao...he just ate laguna to the face and died | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On January 30 2016 14:57 Taf the Ghost wrote: Huge value in early pick-offs on Lone Druid. He's basically a Hard Carry, though with early split-push ability. Getting the Midas delayed puts a 2k value sink on him until about 25 minutes in, when he's at 8k net worth. You pretty much erase a huge % of VG's net worth from all team fights by those ganks. yeah but if you fail with early-mid game song ganks, you lose song for rosh/tower defense/fights | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 30 2016 14:58 trifecta wrote: yeah but if you fail with early-mid game song ganks, you lose song for rosh/tower defense/fights Correct. But that's exactly why VG was picking up Lone Druid. It's strong enough right now in the Meta that it forces you to respond to it. Earth Spirit is the same way, but no one has really figured out a response to the top-level players. Aside from "just kill the other 4 really quickly". | ||
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dutchfriese
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Kamisamanachi
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 30 2016 15:05 Kamisamanachi wrote: it felt like their drafts got wayy more predictable after group stages..they kept picking same thing because it worked in early stages..this was the same problem with super drafting at frankfurt,imo..he drafted same predictable heroes even when they were getting rekt with them..i mean,what was the purpose of going for gyro and LD first picks? because it worked for you in game 2 where they got off sucessful ganks early? and VG had some serious economy issues that game...LD was soo far behind and had nowhere to go ,but jungle and he still constantly fed pushing deep even with song up on EG side..gyro had nowhere to go but ancients ,but it was too late for him .. It's a problem a lot of Captains have. Though there are a few around that change up too much every match, especially unpracticed strategies. Edit: Beyond just a common problem, it's something ppd has exploited the entire time I've seen him draft. Especially since most teams have 1-3 heroes they operate their strategies around. | ||
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Danzo
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Kamisamanachi
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On January 30 2016 15:07 Taf the Ghost wrote: It's a problem a lot of Captains have. Though there are a few around that change up too much every match, especially unpracticed strategies. yeah..adapting seems to be the best trait which saparates good captain from mediocre and i feel like fy's drafting has also been predictable and mediocre at times..i think he is too conservative when it comes to drafting vs big teams..it works early,but when teams starting to figure it out,he has no choice .i thought dark seer was the choice in game 3 instead of LD and he sure would have done more than LD did which was feeding bear,but he kept hitting heads on walls | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
So much game knowledge this dude has. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
The other strong performers at MDL: Earth Spirit 21-4 Vengeful Spirit 18-10 Death Prophet 12-7 Lone Druid 12-8 Gyrocopter 9-6 Trash Tier: Batrider 6-11 Disruptor 4-9 Sven 2-8 | ||
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woojaekeem
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bluzi
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On January 30 2016 14:53 Taf the Ghost wrote: What was going on with Lone Druid & VG is likely this: Lone Druid is a power-pick right now. But you need to build your draft around him. The Split-push/Alliance style from Starladder already seemed a bit dead at MDL. (Not having Bulldog, I think, is the problem there.) But EG has run it as 1 or 3 here at MDL. Much like with Vengeful, it's a multi-position draft ruiner. Taf you seem like a reasonable guy , why would you say that alliance played splitpush dota at SL ? did you even watch the games , i feel no matter what lineup or strat alliance uses everyone calls it splitpush .... sorry for being salty about it , its too early in the morning for me . | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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bluzi
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On January 30 2016 15:27 woojaekeem wrote: ebola spirit gonna get nerfed again next patch Probably IF wont let China have their own wisp , also Sumail will get his SS back on the next patch. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 30 2016 15:37 bluzi wrote: Taf you seem like a reasonable guy , why would you say that alliance played splitpush dota at SL ? did you even watch the games , i feel no matter what lineup or strat alliance uses everyone calls it splitpush .... sorry for being salty about it , its too early in the morning for me .Bulldog's hero pool produces a situation where there's always the risk of counter-push via split-push. Mostly because he's so damn good on those types of heroes. So "counter-push" work for you? It's short-hand since that's what everyone calls what they do. And it's generally a feature of the fall-back option within their drafts.People may start realizing that most of OG's drafts operate the same way. Though Fly constantly drafts defensive high ground approach in most cases. Considering how much easier it is to hold high ground right now, it's just a different value play. | ||
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Elurie
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On January 30 2016 15:47 Elurie wrote: LGD-Newbee game started. Am I in the wrong thread? You're in the right place. | ||
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