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On January 29 2016 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:
Well, it's obvious the Naix was picked to shut down the other heroes of Secret, rather than the Terrorblade. He basically killed all the supports without them being able to do anything, due to both supports having no answer to Naix until ghost, and they never made it. The void was a bigger issue that game to Secret's strategy, because they could not initiate into him.
Even still, Secret wasn't even behind until they started taking stupid fights. Had they went to late game with those heroes, and had ghost, and had a farmed EternalEnvy instead of one that built stupid items, they'd have ran over Naix. Magic damage hurts while in ghost.
They needed a pipe in any case, and W33ha ought to have built it.
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did secret lose game3? liquipedia not updated
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I don't think EE's build was bad actually, Secret were being chocked out of the map by Newbee hardcore, they needed to find initiations and quick pickoffs. Blink also enhances his mobility and escapeability. IThere is no item that Envy could get in the required amount of time that would solve the whole Chrono Zeus ult DP ult, ES echo and a magic imuune madman running at you.
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On January 29 2016 18:44 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:
Well, it's obvious the Naix was picked to shut down the other heroes of Secret, rather than the Terrorblade. He basically killed all the supports without them being able to do anything, due to both supports having no answer to Naix until ghost, and they never made it. The void was a bigger issue that game to Secret's strategy, because they could not initiate into him.
Even still, Secret wasn't even behind until they started taking stupid fights. Had they went to late game with those heroes, and had ghost, and had a farmed EternalEnvy instead of one that built stupid items, they'd have ran over Naix. Magic damage hurts while in ghost. They needed a pipe in any case, and W33ha ought to have built it. Yeah, well.
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On January 29 2016 18:34 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:32 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:28 goody153 wrote:
so many teams are back
newbee is back
alliance is back
c9 is back you haven't mention the best one CHINA IS BACK !!! so far... fuck oh yeah ! but i'm sure azarkon is just gonna power up whoever western team is left like a protagonist in a fictional action story just like TI5
I think he's currently gone full analysis mode
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On January 29 2016 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:
Well, it's obvious the Naix was picked to shut down the other heroes of Secret, rather than the Terrorblade. He basically killed all the supports without them being able to do anything, due to both supports having no answer to Naix until ghost, and they never made it. The void was a bigger issue that game to Secret's strategy, because they could not initiate into him.
Even still, Secret wasn't even behind until they started taking stupid fights. Had they went to late game with those heroes, and had ghost, and had a farmed EternalEnvy instead of one that built stupid items, they'd have ran over Naix. Magic damage hurts while in ghost.
obv. but it's to kite naix as a support .. it's much better than being an instant casualty everytime naix open wounds you
it works against alot of other cores too like drow
also every skirmish has different positioning you don't lineup conveniently like a bunch of statues all the time for free targeting from zeus or whoever whenever you use ghost scepter
On January 29 2016 18:45 LemOn wrote:
did secret lose game3? liquipedia not updated
yez
On January 29 2016 18:45 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:34 goody153 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:32 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:28 goody153 wrote:
so many teams are back
newbee is back
alliance is back
c9 is back you haven't mention the best one CHINA IS BACK !!! so far... fuck oh yeah ! but i'm sure azarkon is just gonna power up whoever western team is left like a protagonist in a fictional action story just like TI5 I think he's currently gone full analysis mode
remember that everytime he's not around china wins (TI4) lol
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On January 29 2016 18:45 Kipsate wrote:
I don't think EE's build was bad actually, Secret were being chocked out of the map by Newbee hardcore, they needed to find initiations and quick pickoffs. Blink also enhances his mobility and escapeability. IThere is no item that Envy could get in the required amount of time that would solve the whole Chrono Zeus ult DP ult, ES echo and a magic imuune madman running at you.
He couldn't even survive a single round of spells with that build, which made it so that they couldn't fight at all. I don't think that's what you are trying to achieve when you pick heroes such as the ones they picked.
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missed the earlier EG vs CoL games. did RTZ play furion there?
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On January 29 2016 18:47 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:
Well, it's obvious the Naix was picked to shut down the other heroes of Secret, rather than the Terrorblade. He basically killed all the supports without them being able to do anything, due to both supports having no answer to Naix until ghost, and they never made it. The void was a bigger issue that game to Secret's strategy, because they could not initiate into him.
Even still, Secret wasn't even behind until they started taking stupid fights. Had they went to late game with those heroes, and had ghost, and had a farmed EternalEnvy instead of one that built stupid items, they'd have ran over Naix. Magic damage hurts while in ghost. obv. but it's to kite naix as a support .. it's much better than being an instant casualty everytime naix when he open wounds you it works against alot of other cores too like drow also every skirmish has different positioning you don't lineup conveniently like a bunch of statues all the time for free targeting from zeus or whoever whenever you use ghost scepter Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:45 LemOn wrote:
did secret lose game3? liquipedia not updated yez Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:45 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:34 goody153 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:32 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:28 goody153 wrote:
so many teams are back
newbee is back
alliance is back
c9 is back you haven't mention the best one CHINA IS BACK !!! so far... fuck oh yeah ! but i'm sure azarkon is just gonna power up whoever western team is left like a protagonist in a fictional action story just like TI5 I think he's currently gone full analysis mode remember that everytime he's not around china wins (TI4) lol Talking about kiting a singular hero, when it leaves you vulnerable to heavy magic damage from Earthshaker and Zeus is kind of redundant. Not sure where the kiting from the supports comes in, considering he can pop magic immunity.
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On January 29 2016 18:50 trinxified wrote:
missed the earlier EG vs CoL games. did RTZ play furion there?
yez
he went the boring build orchid + drums +aghs
i wish more people would do the legendary bulldog dagger + mjollnir + hex build
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On January 29 2016 18:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:45 Kipsate wrote:
I don't think EE's build was bad actually, Secret were being chocked out of the map by Newbee hardcore, they needed to find initiations and quick pickoffs. Blink also enhances his mobility and escapeability. IThere is no item that Envy could get in the required amount of time that would solve the whole Chrono Zeus ult DP ult, ES echo and a magic imuune madman running at you. He couldn't even survive a single round of spells with that build, which made it so that they couldn't fight at all. I don't think that's what you are trying to achieve when you pick heroes such as the ones they picked.
I don't think any item would allow him to do that, he also wouldn't be able to farm that particular item in the needed time. What they needed was the right form of initation and the ability to do damage with the BKB on(because after that he will just melt/get silenced). You only have a few seconds of DPS uptime available with BKB(and you need to dodge the chrono some fucking how/hope it gets used on others). Blink allows you burst someone down.
Like, the only way he lives is if his supports get a pipe, meka and like 2 glimmer capes/force staves which they were in no position to farm.
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On January 29 2016 18:51 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:47 goody153 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:
Well, it's obvious the Naix was picked to shut down the other heroes of Secret, rather than the Terrorblade. He basically killed all the supports without them being able to do anything, due to both supports having no answer to Naix until ghost, and they never made it. The void was a bigger issue that game to Secret's strategy, because they could not initiate into him.
Even still, Secret wasn't even behind until they started taking stupid fights. Had they went to late game with those heroes, and had ghost, and had a farmed EternalEnvy instead of one that built stupid items, they'd have ran over Naix. Magic damage hurts while in ghost. obv. but it's to kite naix as a support .. it's much better than being an instant casualty everytime naix when he open wounds you it works against alot of other cores too like drow also every skirmish has different positioning you don't lineup conveniently like a bunch of statues all the time for free targeting from zeus or whoever whenever you use ghost scepter On January 29 2016 18:45 LemOn wrote:
did secret lose game3? liquipedia not updated yez On January 29 2016 18:45 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:34 goody153 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:32 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:28 goody153 wrote:
so many teams are back
newbee is back
alliance is back
c9 is back you haven't mention the best one CHINA IS BACK !!! so far... fuck oh yeah ! but i'm sure azarkon is just gonna power up whoever western team is left like a protagonist in a fictional action story just like TI5 I think he's currently gone full analysis mode remember that everytime he's not around china wins (TI4) lol Talking about kiting a singular hero, when it leaves you vulnerable to heavy magic damage from Earthshaker and Zeus is kind of redundant.
hmm but eventually forcestaffs and glimmers should be coming out and ghost would be more effective in combination even with earth and zeus if played properly
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Well at least we already know who wins the next game
China wins confirmed 
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On January 29 2016 18:53 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:51 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:47 goody153 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:38 Azarkon wrote:
Well, it's obvious the Naix was picked to shut down the other heroes of Secret, rather than the Terrorblade. He basically killed all the supports without them being able to do anything, due to both supports having no answer to Naix until ghost, and they never made it. The void was a bigger issue that game to Secret's strategy, because they could not initiate into him.
Even still, Secret wasn't even behind until they started taking stupid fights. Had they went to late game with those heroes, and had ghost, and had a farmed EternalEnvy instead of one that built stupid items, they'd have ran over Naix. Magic damage hurts while in ghost. obv. but it's to kite naix as a support .. it's much better than being an instant casualty everytime naix when he open wounds you it works against alot of other cores too like drow also every skirmish has different positioning you don't lineup conveniently like a bunch of statues all the time for free targeting from zeus or whoever whenever you use ghost scepter On January 29 2016 18:45 LemOn wrote:
did secret lose game3? liquipedia not updated yez On January 29 2016 18:45 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:34 goody153 wrote:On January 29 2016 18:32 Vertical wrote:On January 29 2016 18:28 goody153 wrote:
so many teams are back
newbee is back
alliance is back
c9 is back you haven't mention the best one CHINA IS BACK !!! so far... fuck oh yeah ! but i'm sure azarkon is just gonna power up whoever western team is left like a protagonist in a fictional action story just like TI5 I think he's currently gone full analysis mode remember that everytime he's not around china wins (TI4) lol Talking about kiting a singular hero, when it leaves you vulnerable to heavy magic damage from Earthshaker and Zeus is kind of redundant. hmm but eventually forcestaffs and glimmers should be coming out and ghost would be more effective in combination even with earth and zeus if played properly But what are the supports supposed to do to him, when he pops spell immunity? They just survive from his assaults, which of cause leaves him to leave them. And with the rest getting BKBs, it is a exercise in futility.
They were hard countered.
Suggesting they should have ghosts, glimmers, and forcestaffs makes me wonder if you feel they have a infinite pool of resources, or if you have ever played support.
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Also recognize that Newbee has complete map control, they couldn't do shit when the lifestealer went up to the tower/raxes and just killed it with rage on. Buildings can't kite Lifestealers.
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The issue wasn't TB dying in the first round of spells. Secret's teamfight is just very awkward if the game goes to that kind of a position. Their initiation is ES or LC hard committing. Their supports are also ones who can do very little when that starved. If the TB doesn't have blink, he can't get on top of the people who get disabled because the other team has Earthshaker, Void, etc.
The situation maybe would be different if Secret was ahead in the game in the sense that they could be the ones pushing, in that case the TB is just hitting the tower waiting to be initiated on. But due to what happened in the game, this was not the case and instead it was Newbee who got the roshes and who was pushing towers as a team.
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On January 29 2016 18:52 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:50 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2016 18:45 Kipsate wrote:
I don't think EE's build was bad actually, Secret were being chocked out of the map by Newbee hardcore, they needed to find initiations and quick pickoffs. Blink also enhances his mobility and escapeability. IThere is no item that Envy could get in the required amount of time that would solve the whole Chrono Zeus ult DP ult, ES echo and a magic imuune madman running at you. He couldn't even survive a single round of spells with that build, which made it so that they couldn't fight at all. I don't think that's what you are trying to achieve when you pick heroes such as the ones they picked. I don't think any item would allow him to do that, he also wouldn't be able to farm that particular item in the needed time. What they needed was the right form of initation and the ability to do damage with the BKB on(because after that he will just melt/get silenced). You only have a few seconds of DPS uptime available with BKB(and you need to dodge the chrono some fucking how/hope it gets used on others). Blink allows you burst someone down. Like, the only way he lives is if his supports get a pipe, meka and like 2 glimmer capes/force staves which they were in no position to farm.
if EE do the regular build with skadi instead of blink+diffusal, at least he can man up and fight.
Instead, he turn tail and run from the very beginning of every team fight because zeus ult has already taken away half of his hp pool.
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Let me tell you this guys:
If you keep changing your flair following a player around, you are just raising the probability of getting disappointed time and time again, more if that player is EE-sama.
Note: It is a joke, but it is funnier because is true.
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On January 29 2016 19:01 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:52 Kipsate wrote:On January 29 2016 18:50 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2016 18:45 Kipsate wrote:
I don't think EE's build was bad actually, Secret were being chocked out of the map by Newbee hardcore, they needed to find initiations and quick pickoffs. Blink also enhances his mobility and escapeability. IThere is no item that Envy could get in the required amount of time that would solve the whole Chrono Zeus ult DP ult, ES echo and a magic imuune madman running at you. He couldn't even survive a single round of spells with that build, which made it so that they couldn't fight at all. I don't think that's what you are trying to achieve when you pick heroes such as the ones they picked. I don't think any item would allow him to do that, he also wouldn't be able to farm that particular item in the needed time. What they needed was the right form of initation and the ability to do damage with the BKB on(because after that he will just melt/get silenced). You only have a few seconds of DPS uptime available with BKB(and you need to dodge the chrono some fucking how/hope it gets used on others). Blink allows you burst someone down. Like, the only way he lives is if his supports get a pipe, meka and like 2 glimmer capes/force staves which they were in no position to farm. if EE do the regular build with skadi instead of blink+diffusal, at least he can man up and fight. Instead, he turn tail and run from the very beginning of every team fight because zeus ult has already taken away half of his hp pool.
Like what teamfight? As far as I saw the only teamfight he ran away from was the top one where w33 missed the roll on ES and went very deep, Secret got 3 man chronoed and everyone was scrambling to get out.
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