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Netherlands45349 Posts
On January 29 2016 19:01 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 18:52 Kipsate wrote:On January 29 2016 18:50 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2016 18:45 Kipsate wrote:
I don't think EE's build was bad actually, Secret were being chocked out of the map by Newbee hardcore, they needed to find initiations and quick pickoffs. Blink also enhances his mobility and escapeability. IThere is no item that Envy could get in the required amount of time that would solve the whole Chrono Zeus ult DP ult, ES echo and a magic imuune madman running at you. He couldn't even survive a single round of spells with that build, which made it so that they couldn't fight at all. I don't think that's what you are trying to achieve when you pick heroes such as the ones they picked. I don't think any item would allow him to do that, he also wouldn't be able to farm that particular item in the needed time. What they needed was the right form of initation and the ability to do damage with the BKB on(because after that he will just melt/get silenced). You only have a few seconds of DPS uptime available with BKB(and you need to dodge the chrono some fucking how/hope it gets used on others). Blink allows you burst someone down. Like, the only way he lives is if his supports get a pipe, meka and like 2 glimmer capes/force staves which they were in no position to farm. if EE do the regular build with skadi instead of blink+diffusal, at least he can man up and fight. Instead, he turn tail and run from the very beginning of every team fight because zeus ult has already taken away half of his hp pool.
So he turns on his BKB while Misery/ES initiates, won't be able to kill the target in time due to needing to physically walk there(and your BKB needs to be on while walking due to Earthshaker counterinitiation). That means you don't remove a threat from the fight(Skadi doesn't magically make you do massive amount of damage either) and you still lose. Blink allows you to burst and remove a threat from the fight with the right initation. A TB with Skadi can't manfight against Newbee's lineup lol, it dies when its BKB's run out, ~400-500 hp is not going to change that.
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On January 29 2016 19:05 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 19:01 CxWiLL wrote:On January 29 2016 18:52 Kipsate wrote:On January 29 2016 18:50 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2016 18:45 Kipsate wrote:
I don't think EE's build was bad actually, Secret were being chocked out of the map by Newbee hardcore, they needed to find initiations and quick pickoffs. Blink also enhances his mobility and escapeability. IThere is no item that Envy could get in the required amount of time that would solve the whole Chrono Zeus ult DP ult, ES echo and a magic imuune madman running at you. He couldn't even survive a single round of spells with that build, which made it so that they couldn't fight at all. I don't think that's what you are trying to achieve when you pick heroes such as the ones they picked. I don't think any item would allow him to do that, he also wouldn't be able to farm that particular item in the needed time. What they needed was the right form of initation and the ability to do damage with the BKB on(because after that he will just melt/get silenced). You only have a few seconds of DPS uptime available with BKB(and you need to dodge the chrono some fucking how/hope it gets used on others). Blink allows you burst someone down. Like, the only way he lives is if his supports get a pipe, meka and like 2 glimmer capes/force staves which they were in no position to farm. if EE do the regular build with skadi instead of blink+diffusal, at least he can man up and fight. Instead, he turn tail and run from the very beginning of every team fight because zeus ult has already taken away half of his hp pool. So he turns on his BKB while Misery/ES initiates, won't be able to kill the target in time due to needing to physically walk there(and your BKB needs to be on while walking due to Earthshaker counterinitiation). That means you don't remove a threat from the fight(Skadi doesn't magically make you do massive amount of damage either) and you still lose. Blink allows you to burst and remove a threat from the fight with the right initation. A TB with Skadi can't manfight against Newbee's lineup lol, it dies when its BKB's run out, ~400-500 hp is not going to change that.
blink on TB is legit to me, but definitely followed by a diffusal.
400-500 hp is not much considering Newbee's burst, but it is not reasonable playing a 1.3k hp carry when it is already 30min into a game against a burst lineup..
I mean, if chuan gets a refresher like a 3k pub, ee can almost die to a refresh ult alone.
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It's easy to talk about all that after it happend...
But I really have to say, I want to download the replay and watch that fight at the top lane to look what secret was doing, while w33 tried to kill ES... Smoke broke, w33 found ES with a stone-kick ... and nobody else moved in on him! WTF?
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Did you know it's technically possible to cancel charge of darkness with savage roar? its aoe is 5 units larger. That's about a 5 millisecond window.
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eleven seems like the next rotk with better mechanics.
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On January 29 2016 19:34 juff wrote:
Did you know it's technically possible to cancel charge of darkness with savage roar? its aoe is 5 units larger. That's about a 5 millisecond window.
Which means its impossible to stop unless you get lucky and precast it before him since human reaction time are around 0.2 to 0.3 seconds.
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last pick TB... vs that line-up.
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Man EHOME just ran the classic LD+Jug , these carry combo is amazing in the mid game and laning stage
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Kick misery/pld/w33/ee, win something
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that last pick TB was just a suicide..it was not gonna work against heavy burst of ehome
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I wish VG would run them over with a scepter skeleton king
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has actually ANYONE built scepter on WK in a pro game ?
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i am not even sure if anyone has built scepter in any game.
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holy shit, cis dota = best dota
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EPT
