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unsaeglich
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:14 goody153 wrote: wait didn't ppd and fear also suck game 1 ? are they behind or something ? They didn't suck. Newbee's lineup means that they get killed on sight. I'd say they played well because in that circumstances, the best they could do was to be a PLD - dying to create space/detect smoke ganks. They did that function very well and bought their cores space and time. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:14 goody153 wrote: wait didn't ppd and fear also suck game 1 ? are they behind or something ? I think it was more Chaun going ham from a few good fights. Fear still got a decent timing on his Blink Dagger, but ppd's CM was the feed target. The problem in game 2 was both of them got shut down at points, and ppd definitely isn't as well practiced on Chen as I imagine he would like to be. I think the play, if you're not going to ban the ES (for EG), is to pick it up when available, to keep it away from the good Chinese teams. They just get so much of their roaming done with it right now. | ||
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molecu
347 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:12 Pandemona wrote: EG need to avoid defeat vs VG for sure to try get 3rd spot. Need to then hope Newbee doesn't win vs OG or tie breaker crap comes into play which u assume h2h will play and OG > EG thus making EG 4th TT If EG 2-0 VG, and OG 1-1 Newbee, isn't the H2H tied between the three? EG > VG > OG > EG and all 2-1-1 | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
That plan left them ages ago. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Sumail is the best, one of the best mid in the world. When PPD drafted for him mid, it was easier to plan something. Now sometimes RTZ takes mid, he's a good mid but he's not Sumail. Basically I think it's harder to draft now for PPD and have a clear plan, and he tends to just pick good heroes for them and hope they'll do well. Before teams had to plan around ganking sumail, putting ressources to counter him, EG could plan around that. Now I feel they just yolo and hope that individual play will be enough, with it often is. I have a hard time putting words on this, but basically one more ego one less championship =p | ||
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goody153
44260 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:20 MrCon wrote: I really think it's bad for EG RTZ is back. Sumail is the best, one of the best mid in the world. When PPD drafted for him mid, it was easier to plan something. Now sometimes RTZ takes mid, he's a good mid but he's not Sumail. Basically I think it's harder to draft now for PPD and have a clear plan, and he tends to just pick good heroes for them and hope they'll do well. Before teams had to plan around ganking sumail, putting ressources to counter him, EG could plan around that. Now I feel they just yolo and hope that individual play will be enough, with it often is. I have a hard time putting words on this, but basically one more ego one less championship =p Ok so being a more flexible player capable of switching in the midlane and having chances of drafting outdrafts (due to reasons that two player could play the same hero but yet the enemy may assume only one player would likely play) makes the EG's drafting less flexible ? ? More options to draft means harder to draft ??? ??? ?? Do you also realize that the you are talking about EG being reliant to a farming mid style like suma1l does being relevant ? and what if it's not like nowadays ? still force that style into play ? with that thoughtprocess it's still pretty bad assumption that old eg would be better than new eg | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:20 MrCon wrote: I really think it's bad for EG RTZ is back. Sumail is the best, one of the best mid in the world. When PPD drafted for him mid, it was easier to plan something. Now sometimes RTZ takes mid, he's a good mid but he's not Sumail. Basically I think it's harder to draft now for PPD and have a clear plan, and he tends to just pick good heroes for them and hope they'll do well. Before teams had to plan around ganking sumail, putting ressources to counter him, EG could plan around that. Now I feel they just yolo and hope that individual play will be enough, with it often is. I have a hard time putting words on this, but basically one more ego one less championship =p I don't think PPD is just yoloing without a plan at all, and their individual performances reflect the plan they come up with in the drafting phase. PPD can do almost any strategy he wants with these players. Is there a hero you think is in style for carries that RTZ can't play? If anything he's more flexible on heroes than average. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:20 MrCon wrote: I really think it's bad for EG RTZ is back. Sumail is the best, one of the best mid in the world. When PPD drafted for him mid, it was easier to plan something. Now sometimes RTZ takes mid, he's a good mid but he's not Sumail. Basically I think it's harder to draft now for PPD and have a clear plan, and he tends to just pick good heroes for them and hope they'll do well. Before teams had to plan around ganking sumail, putting ressources to counter him, EG could plan around that. Now I feel they just yolo and hope that individual play will be enough, with it often is. I have a hard time putting words on this, but basically one more ego one less championship =p In 6.86, the real problem is the current state of the Mid Lane match. To be honest, it's REALLY boring. Invoker is the only Mid Laner that currently scales decently into a core, that's in the meta. Sumail is good on the initiator-types, but the problem becomes Universe at that point. Sumail on Batrider is causing problems for ppd finding a good place for Universe. Which nearly sidelines the best offlaner in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if ppd tries some different options for Mid Lane. Or, if they get Lone Druid again, put RTZ in mid with it and give Sumail a safe laner that can Snowball. The other problem with Batrider is that, since it comes out early, the teams are simply adjusting to 5-man line ups to avoid getting picked off to death. With Defensive High Ground line ups being extremely powerful, teams are grouping up a lot more, quite a lot earlier, even if they aren't trying to deathball. It's presenting some interesting issues. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:23 goody153 wrote: Ok so being a more flexible player capable of switching in the midlane and having chances of drafting outdrafts (due to reasons that two player could play the same hero but yet the enemy may assume only one player would likely play) makes the EG's drafting less flexible ? ? More options to draft means harder to draft ??? ??? ?? Come on don't take it personally, I think RTZ destabilized the team, regardless of how flexible or good he is. Call it worse team chemistry if you want. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:27 Taf the Ghost wrote: In 6.86, the real problem is the current state of the Mid Lane match. To be honest, it's REALLY boring. Invoker is the only Mid Laner that currently scales decently into a core, that's in the meta. Sumail is good on the initiator-types, but the problem becomes Universe at that point. Sumail on Batrider is causing problems for ppd finding a good place for Universe. Which nearly sidelines the best offlaner in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if ppd tries some different options for Mid Lane. Or, if they get Lone Druid again, put RTZ in mid with it and give Sumail a safe laner that can Snowball. The other problem with Batrider is that, since it comes out early, the teams are simply adjusting to 5-man line ups to avoid getting picked off to death. With Defensive High Ground line ups being extremely powerful, teams are grouping up a lot more, quite a lot earlier, even if they aren't trying to deathball. It's presenting some interesting issues. Yeah I guess that's an explanation that makes sense. | ||
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goody153
44260 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:31 MrCon wrote: Come on don't take it personally, I think RTZ destabilized the team, regardless of how flexible or good he is. Call it worse team chemistry if you want. It's not really personal but the EG you deem to excel better than this EG actually excels with one style. Kill that one style and change that meta i bet they'd become alliance, awful at every other meta except this one. Have you also thought that it;s not the same meta anymore as when suma1l is good at. I doubt he's still good if AUI's farming support style cannot be supported and suma1l can't be supported as well. And i assume you also think fear is the "stable" carry, right ? wrong again he's not very excellent at 1 position role, he does his job but he's not excellent at all. The strength of the old EG relies on AUI farming to relevancy, fear making space and suma1l eating the map. If AUI's is forced into a non-greedy support he's not very good at it. Fear is flexible but he doesn't really excel on his role. Well suma1l is good. | ||
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wims80
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goody153
44260 Posts
YEAH i'm sure he's toxic in the team too xD Hey Suma1l is insanely toxic in his stream why not kick him as well ! i mean we need more AUI and black the nice players and good personality for the team environment ! (sarcasm if you didn't notice) | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
There's a lot of "I look at my computer monitor and feel like I can psychoanalyze EG for only placing 1st and 2nd in their last two tournaments." Can't really argue against it when people just say they "feel" like something is wrong. | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
they still played really well though and damn goody living up to his #1 EE&RTZ fanboy title (not an insult btw) | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
On January 28 2016 01:45 goody153 wrote: For a very toxic personality ONLINE. PPD seems to be WILLING to move his 1 position player to support, kick the other support JUST FOR HIM. Even though THEY ALREADY DISBANDED BEFORE and HE PLAYED WITH HIM before. YEAH i'm sure he's toxic in the team too xD Hey Suma1l is insanely toxic in his stream why not kick him as well ! i mean we need more AUI and black the nice players and good personality for the team environment ! (sarcasm if you didn't notice) ??? | ||
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goody153
44260 Posts
Sure but that was before. Again why did he take RTZ THE COCKY TOXIC BOY and move THE ENTIRE TEAM AROUND JUST FOR HIM. And kick THE NICE GUY AUI again ? I MEAN SURELY AUI IS NICE ONLINE AND ON INTERVIEWS HE'S SURELY NOT TOXIC NOT LIKE RTZ WHOS TOXIC ONLINE IS SURELY TOXIC IN THE TEAM. again why did ppd kick aui, move fear to support and take rtz again if he's really toxic seriously dude i'm using capslock already just to highlight the points that seems hard to comprehend | ||
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spudde123
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