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On January 16 2016 00:38 Faruko wrote: dota 2 analyst are so boring compared to csgo
such awkawrd
whaaaaaaaaat. anything outside of actual gameplay is stupid in counterstrike. analyze csgo: he hit the shot / he didn't hit the shot. their forcebuy worked. AMAZING / it didn't work. why did they do that!!? It is always funny when you hear the csgo panel talk about "teamxyz should have closed out this game when they had a 11-4 lead"
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On January 16 2016 00:41 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:36 goody153 wrote: i can see puck working but offlane puck .. pls pick something useful for yourself s4 like batrider or TA Puck offlane is even worse. Those last months / years (?) the only Puck who impressed me, by that I mean having impact all game long not just the first 20 mins, was Afoninge. The dude was absolutely amazing even 60 mins into the game. There was the suma1l game too with puck, where he tried to carry eg but i think rtz threw that game.
aside that yeah .. idk puck doesn't seem to be worth much of the farm priority if he doesn't get the kills especially before dagger .. it's different from qop where if she doesn't get the kill she can farm and actually has decent physical damage with items
Puck weird, when bkb's are out the hero isn't very effective
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What are the panel about ? they cant push high ground with such a lineup without pickoffs and without AC. Secret wants to play late game dota and they are good at stalling to that point , I dont feel alliance has a DNA of going all out in the early game and punishing the greed , so they should draft greedy as well i feel to have a good chance against them , and not putting a clock on yourself. #1 slardar is not the way to go vs secret they are too good at keep away dota.
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On January 16 2016 00:43 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:40 goody153 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:39 Nyan wrote: I'm so hyped for ppy vs kky. You better not ruin this secret! :p inbefore we get an LGD vs Liquid finals if secret went through this series that's what we're all waiting for! why you no support ee-sama toad T_T
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tbh Alliance should've won the rosh fight, or even better get rosh without being found out while it was still alive. It's a super easy game if that happens, but they got mechanically schooled and the game ended exactly there.
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On January 16 2016 00:44 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:43 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2016 00:40 goody153 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:39 Nyan wrote: I'm so hyped for ppy vs kky. You better not ruin this secret! :p inbefore we get an LGD vs Liquid finals if secret went through this series that's what we're all waiting for! why you no support ee-sama toad T_T I do, just not over Liquid. And I really wanted the Liquid vs Alliance rematch just to see us kick them out :3
On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote: like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np
when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance? It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup. at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't) oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it Yeah that combo should kill a lot if not everything. Don't underestimate the damage from amp while 2 heroes punch someone in the face either.
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wisp-prophet ban
what year is this
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Come ON lets just not lose to secret
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It is not that Alliance didn't try to set the tempo but their draft gameplan is way too predictable. Secret easily came out ahead if they play safe with 3 cores vs 1 core. There's a reason why 2 cores lineup is the most popular because it gives you the leeway to play aggressive or safe. It would be different if Alliance had picked another hero that can push fast along with LD, forcing Secret to react.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
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who first picked alliance ?
if thats the case, isnt somewhat rare to pick it into chen ?
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On January 16 2016 00:43 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:41 Gevna wrote:On January 16 2016 00:36 goody153 wrote: i can see puck working but offlane puck .. pls pick something useful for yourself s4 like batrider or TA Puck offlane is even worse. Those last months / years (?) the only Puck who impressed me, by that I mean having impact all game long not just the first 20 mins, was Afoninge. The dude was absolutely amazing even 60 mins into the game. There was the suma1l game too with puck, where he tried to carry eg but i think rtz threw that game. aside that yeah .. idk puck doesn't seem to be worth much of the farm priority if he doesn't get the kills especially before dagger .. it's different from qop where if she doesn't get the kill she can farm and actually has decent physical damage with items Puck weird, when bkb's are out the hero isn't very effective I think Puck is just a very situationnal hero now. His abilites can still have a good impact against some heroes, in some drafts. But definitely not against gyro / ember. And I think Puck actually needs a lot of farm to get important items to stay relevant all game long. Which is indeed probably a waste when you compare him to other heroes.
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On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote: like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np
when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance? It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup. at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't) oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it
It's enough to kill a hero or two if dazzle isn't sitting behind him. That's not very impressive, especially when any turnaround (and they have gyro) means track kills. And it's not very easy to jump on a dazzle whose only job is to sit in the trees behind his cores.
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On January 16 2016 00:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:44 goody153 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:43 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2016 00:40 goody153 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:39 Nyan wrote: I'm so hyped for ppy vs kky. You better not ruin this secret! :p inbefore we get an LGD vs Liquid finals if secret went through this series that's what we're all waiting for! why you no support ee-sama toad T_T I do, just not over Liquid. And I really wanted the Liquid vs Alliance rematch just to see us kick them out :3 Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote: like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np
when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance? It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup. at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't) oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it Yeah that combo should kill a lot if not everything. Don't underestimate the damage from amp while 2 heroes punch someone in the face either. I mean I also have to agree with the other guy on one point, which is that after that one timing, the damage on alliance fell off hard, they 100% needed to use that timing to break up secret's hyper farm masturbation which they totally failed to do because as soon as they failed there they were going to be eternally one bad teamfight from losing the game
they lost the teamfight, they lost the game, bish bash bosh, if they hadn't they would have been able to put on some pressure maybe disrupt things maybe win, but it should never have come to that point
On January 16 2016 00:51 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote: like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np
when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance? It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup. at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't) oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it It's enough to kill a hero or two if dazzle isn't sitting behind him. That's not very impressive, especially when any turnaround (and they have gyro) means track kills. And it's not very easy to jump on a dazzle whose only job is to sit in the trees behind his cores. see my earlier edit
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On January 16 2016 00:51 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:43 goody153 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:41 Gevna wrote:On January 16 2016 00:36 goody153 wrote: i can see puck working but offlane puck .. pls pick something useful for yourself s4 like batrider or TA Puck offlane is even worse. Those last months / years (?) the only Puck who impressed me, by that I mean having impact all game long not just the first 20 mins, was Afoninge. The dude was absolutely amazing even 60 mins into the game. There was the suma1l game too with puck, where he tried to carry eg but i think rtz threw that game. aside that yeah .. idk puck doesn't seem to be worth much of the farm priority if he doesn't get the kills especially before dagger .. it's different from qop where if she doesn't get the kill she can farm and actually has decent physical damage with items Puck weird, when bkb's are out the hero isn't very effective I think Puck is just a very situationnal hero now. His abilites can still have a good impact against some heroes, in some drafts. But definitely not against gyro / ember. And I think Puck actually needs a lot of farm to get important items to stay relevant all game long. Which is indeed probably a waste when you compare him to other heroes. :-/ Yeah sucks for the hero. Idk i know qop is a bit different than puck but qop is generally probably a better pick.
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I like alliance bans this game
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Netherlands45349 Posts
To prefer liquid over ee is to hate anime
Toad hates anime.
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CAN THEY SHOW THE FUCKING DRAFT
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On January 16 2016 00:53 Kipsate wrote: To prefer liquid over ee is to hate anime
Toad hates anime. burn toad !!!
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