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Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1931 Posts
January 15 2016 15:43 GMT
#701
On January 16 2016 00:38 Faruko wrote:
dota 2 analyst are so boring compared to csgo

such awkawrd


whaaaaaaaaat. anything outside of actual gameplay is stupid in counterstrike.
analyze csgo: he hit the shot / he didn't hit the shot. their forcebuy worked. AMAZING / it didn't work. why did they do that!!?
It is always funny when you hear the csgo panel talk about "teamxyz should have closed out this game when they had a 11-4 lead"
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44260 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 15:45:00
January 15 2016 15:43 GMT
#702
On January 16 2016 00:41 Gevna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:36 goody153 wrote:
i can see puck working but offlane puck .. pls pick something useful for yourself s4 like batrider or TA

Puck offlane is even worse.

Those last months / years (?) the only Puck who impressed me, by that I mean having impact all game long not just the first 20 mins, was Afoninge. The dude was absolutely amazing even 60 mins into the game.

There was the suma1l game too with puck, where he tried to carry eg but i think rtz threw that game.

aside that yeah .. idk puck doesn't seem to be worth much of the farm priority if he doesn't get the kills especially before dagger .. it's different from qop where if she doesn't get the kill she can farm and actually has decent physical damage with items

Puck weird, when bkb's are out the hero isn't very effective
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bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
January 15 2016 15:44 GMT
#703
What are the panel about ? they cant push high ground with such a lineup without pickoffs and without AC.
Secret wants to play late game dota and they are good at stalling to that point , I dont feel alliance has a DNA of going all out in the early game and punishing the greed , so they should draft greedy as well i feel to have a good chance against them , and not putting a clock on yourself. #1 slardar is not the way to go vs secret they are too good at keep away dota.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44260 Posts
January 15 2016 15:44 GMT
#704
On January 16 2016 00:43 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:40 goody153 wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:39 Nyan wrote:
I'm so hyped for ppy vs kky.
You better not ruin this secret! :p

inbefore we get an LGD vs Liquid finals

if secret went through this series

that's what we're all waiting for!

why you no support ee-sama toad T_T
this is a quote
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 15:46:31
January 15 2016 15:46 GMT
#705
tbh Alliance should've won the rosh fight, or even better get rosh without being found out while it was still alive. It's a super easy game if that happens, but they got mechanically schooled and the game ended exactly there.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 15 2016 15:46 GMT
#706
On January 16 2016 00:44 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:43 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:40 goody153 wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:39 Nyan wrote:
I'm so hyped for ppy vs kky.
You better not ruin this secret! :p

inbefore we get an LGD vs Liquid finals

if secret went through this series

that's what we're all waiting for!

why you no support ee-sama toad T_T

I do, just not over Liquid.
And I really wanted the Liquid vs Alliance rematch just to see us kick them out :3

On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote:
like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np

when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything


Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance?

It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup.

at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient

it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in

the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space

trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't)

oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it

Yeah that combo should kill a lot if not everything. Don't underestimate the damage from amp while 2 heroes punch someone in the face either.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9574 Posts
January 15 2016 15:49 GMT
#707
[A] steals chen D:
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44260 Posts
January 15 2016 15:50 GMT
#708
wisp-prophet ban

what year is this
this is a quote
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
January 15 2016 15:50 GMT
#709
Come ON lets just not lose to secret
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
January 15 2016 15:50 GMT
#710
It is not that Alliance didn't try to set the tempo but their draft gameplan is way too predictable. Secret easily came out ahead if they play safe with 3 cores vs 1 core. There's a reason why 2 cores lineup is the most popular because it gives you the leeway to play aggressive or safe. It would be different if Alliance had picked another hero that can push fast along with LD, forcing Secret to react.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 15 2016 15:50 GMT
#711
A wins.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
January 15 2016 15:50 GMT
#712
who first picked alliance ?

if thats the case, isnt somewhat rare to pick it into chen ?
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
January 15 2016 15:51 GMT
#713
On January 16 2016 00:43 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:41 Gevna wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:36 goody153 wrote:
i can see puck working but offlane puck .. pls pick something useful for yourself s4 like batrider or TA

Puck offlane is even worse.

Those last months / years (?) the only Puck who impressed me, by that I mean having impact all game long not just the first 20 mins, was Afoninge. The dude was absolutely amazing even 60 mins into the game.

There was the suma1l game too with puck, where he tried to carry eg but i think rtz threw that game.

aside that yeah .. idk puck doesn't seem to be worth much of the farm priority if he doesn't get the kills especially before dagger .. it's different from qop where if she doesn't get the kill she can farm and actually has decent physical damage with items

Puck weird, when bkb's are out the hero isn't very effective

I think Puck is just a very situationnal hero now. His abilites can still have a good impact against some heroes, in some drafts. But definitely not against gyro / ember. And I think Puck actually needs a lot of farm to get important items to stay relevant all game long. Which is indeed probably a waste when you compare him to other heroes.

:-/
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 15 2016 15:51 GMT
#714
On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote:
like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np

when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything


Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance?

It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup.

at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient

it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in

the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space

trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't)

oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it


It's enough to kill a hero or two if dazzle isn't sitting behind him. That's not very impressive, especially when any turnaround (and they have gyro) means track kills. And it's not very easy to jump on a dazzle whose only job is to sit in the trees behind his cores.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 15:52:31
January 15 2016 15:51 GMT
#715
On January 16 2016 00:46 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:44 goody153 wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:43 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:40 goody153 wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:39 Nyan wrote:
I'm so hyped for ppy vs kky.
You better not ruin this secret! :p

inbefore we get an LGD vs Liquid finals

if secret went through this series

that's what we're all waiting for!

why you no support ee-sama toad T_T

I do, just not over Liquid.
And I really wanted the Liquid vs Alliance rematch just to see us kick them out :3

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote:
like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np

when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything


Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance?

It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup.

at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient

it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in

the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space

trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't)

oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it

Yeah that combo should kill a lot if not everything. Don't underestimate the damage from amp while 2 heroes punch someone in the face either.

I mean I also have to agree with the other guy on one point, which is that after that one timing, the damage on alliance fell off hard, they 100% needed to use that timing to break up secret's hyper farm masturbation which they totally failed to do because as soon as they failed there they were going to be eternally one bad teamfight from losing the game

they lost the teamfight, they lost the game, bish bash bosh, if they hadn't they would have been able to put on some pressure maybe disrupt things maybe win, but it should never have come to that point

On January 16 2016 00:51 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:43 Acritter wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:38 Orome wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:32 Acritter wrote:
like the double blinks do nothing would be fine if secret had bad core scaling, but as good as bear is, it does not outscale ember+gyro+np

when is it okay to give abd bear? answer: when none of the other alliance players do anything


Part of the problem is that they can't push that hard to find something with the blinks because they're not even that strong. Like what does their fight look like at that point? Puck can blink combo, slardar can blink crush, then what? Who are they setting up to do damage? Rubick? Sacrificial Undying? Bear who didn't come to fights before radiance?

It's just awkward to draft Puck and 1 Slardar together like this. Both set up their teammates to do damage, but nobody on Alliance could really use that setup.

at the stage where they had double blink, the damage from the two heroes is sufficient

it's like what ~900 damage from the full combo? that kills heroes, especially if you toss decay+fade bolt in

the sustain from that is the bear, who they should have been fighting around and using to take towers+limit farming space

trading towers in that situation is totally okay because alliance heroes basically clear their own space to farm, but they needed to do something to keep disrupting the secret gameplan, they just made the mistake of thinking that disrupting the laning phase was enough (obviously wasn't)

oh and the blink means that every time without exception they should be able to go on dazzle, which is the solution to all these problems, at the timing when all of this could go down there was no good way for secret to handle it


It's enough to kill a hero or two if dazzle isn't sitting behind him. That's not very impressive, especially when any turnaround (and they have gyro) means track kills. And it's not very easy to jump on a dazzle whose only job is to sit in the trees behind his cores.

see my earlier edit
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44260 Posts
January 15 2016 15:52 GMT
#716
On January 16 2016 00:51 Gevna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 00:43 goody153 wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:41 Gevna wrote:
On January 16 2016 00:36 goody153 wrote:
i can see puck working but offlane puck .. pls pick something useful for yourself s4 like batrider or TA

Puck offlane is even worse.

Those last months / years (?) the only Puck who impressed me, by that I mean having impact all game long not just the first 20 mins, was Afoninge. The dude was absolutely amazing even 60 mins into the game.

There was the suma1l game too with puck, where he tried to carry eg but i think rtz threw that game.

aside that yeah .. idk puck doesn't seem to be worth much of the farm priority if he doesn't get the kills especially before dagger .. it's different from qop where if she doesn't get the kill she can farm and actually has decent physical damage with items

Puck weird, when bkb's are out the hero isn't very effective

I think Puck is just a very situationnal hero now. His abilites can still have a good impact against some heroes, in some drafts. But definitely not against gyro / ember. And I think Puck actually needs a lot of farm to get important items to stay relevant all game long. Which is indeed probably a waste when you compare him to other heroes.

:-/

Yeah sucks for the hero. Idk i know qop is a bit different than puck but qop is generally probably a better pick.
this is a quote
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
January 15 2016 15:52 GMT
#717
I like alliance bans this game
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 15 2016 15:53 GMT
#718
To prefer liquid over ee is to hate anime

Toad hates anime.
WriterXiao8~~
Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
January 15 2016 15:53 GMT
#719
CAN THEY SHOW THE FUCKING DRAFT
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44260 Posts
January 15 2016 15:53 GMT
#720
On January 16 2016 00:53 Kipsate wrote:
To prefer liquid over ee is to hate anime

Toad hates anime.

burn toad !!!
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