EPT[The Summit 4] LAN Finals Day 4 - Page 6
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:18 lolfail9001 wrote: He definitely helped VP to win this game, i won't lie I forget which other series they played, but I distinctly remember a really bad AA game too | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:18 lolfail9001 wrote: He definitely helped VP to win this game, i won't lie yup, if it wasn't for the relocate the gyro would get triple kill | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. | ||
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Latham
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote: I over rated Russians, over rated Koreans, and over rated Arteezy, but I do also recall saying that one of Puppey/PPD is going to win. You just say a lot of stupid shit. Sometimes it sticks, but it's usually ludicrous. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 wims80 wrote: Silent is such a huge upgrade over Ilidan From blades of azzinoth to glaives of wisdom. Should be downgrade, but in this case, pure damage > physical | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 DucK- wrote: Anyway it isn't a throw by Liquid. It was just poor plays by Liquid during minute 8-14 that gave space for PL to have some farm. After that, he had enough items to make him immune to any attempt at ganking him. That allowed him the safety and space to keep farming. Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. Yeah I wouldn't call that a throw, but they did choke. Too much solo hero play from Liquid. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 DucK- wrote: Anyway it isn't a throw by Liquid. It was just poor plays by Liquid during minute 8-14 that gave space for PL to have some farm. After that, he had enough items to make him immune to any attempt at ganking him. That allowed him the safety and space to keep farming. Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. Gyro and Razor were both 16k while PL was 12k at some point. Losing by running supports into the PL at that point I'd consider throwing. There was no way PL was going to keep up on farm with both Liquid cores if that hadn't happened several times in a row. They gifted him Heart Manta and it was over. VP certainly did play well though, not trying to say they didn't. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 DucK- wrote: Anyway it isn't a throw by Liquid. It was just poor plays by Liquid during minute 8-14 that gave space for PL to have some farm. After that, he had enough items to make him immune to any attempt at ganking him. That allowed him the safety and space to keep farming. Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. It's definitely a throw. I get not wanting to be clustered against ice blast and RP, but there was no reason to just be scattered all over the map allowing VP to pick them all off one by one. They never managed to get a solid 5v5 fight. Every engagement in the late game had them down one or two heroes because they stupidly got themselves picked off. Even when they were ahead, they played like they were behind. | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:22 dutchfriese wrote: Yeah I wouldn't call that a throw, but they did choke. Too much solo hero play from Liquid. It definitely wasn't a throw. VP just outplayed and outmaneuvered them in the mid-late game with their superior late game heroes. There were lots of attempts of Liquid trying to make something happen, but they either didn't predict the correct movements or didn't have enough support to bring down heroes. There weren't any huge mistakes that Liquid caused themselves to lose. VP took every single advantage they could when they were down to come back in the game. If anything, this shows how solid VP's drafting and shotcalling is. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:21 dutchfriese wrote: You just say a lot of stupid shit. Sometimes it sticks, but it's usually ludicrous. It's usually spot on. Saying Virtus Pro and Empire would be 3rd/4th isn't that ridiculous, and saying Secret would win is what most of the community did. The only ludicrous call I made during the international was that MVP would be 3rd. I did enjoy what happened after though - ie all the people telling me that, after Secret got eliminated and PPD's team dropped to lower, the Chinese were going to take it, and that I best be prepared to disappear. We all know what happened. And yes, calling for the West to win these days is not a big achievement. Which is why I said in the beginning that I'd love for it to be competitive again. Rather than a "broken clock" analogy, the current state of Dota is one where anyone could get it right just by saying the West's gonna win. That makes it boring. | ||
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Gear 3rd
1244 Posts
 Anyway gotta keep the chin up so that the horse tramples down the bear! | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Gold lead at 20 mins that's mainly a byproduct of the draft != won game | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:24 Saechiis wrote: Gyro and Razor were both 16k while PL was 12k at some point. Losing by running supports into the PL at that point I'd consider throwing. There was no way PL was going to keep up on farm with both Liquid cores if that hadn't happened several times in a row. They gifted him Heart Manta and it was over. VP certainly did play well though, not trying to say they didn't. It doesn't matter if both cores maintain a 4k lead over PL. At their current networth, they can't comfortably siege highground with all the spam VP has. If they have a bigger networth, they still can't comfortably siege highground with a farmed PL + the spams. Liquid has zero chance of forcing highground with VP heroes defending. They can only do so with a teamfight, which VP can choose not to engage. The networth doesn't matter once PL reached the stage when he can comfortably keep up with Liquid's cores. To me it is a throw when Liquid has the game firmly in their grasp. My opinion is that at no stage of the game was Liquid in full control. As I pointed out earlier, from minute 8-14 Liquid screwed up bad. At that point I already called the VP win. What happened wasn't a throw, but a full tilt. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:31 shizaep wrote: People abusing the word "throw" once again. You throw when you have the game pretty much won but you lose the game anyways. Gold lead at 20 mins that's mainly a byproduct of the draft != won game A game is not won until the throne explodes. | ||
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