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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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plasmidghost
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On December 12 2015 14:46 Azarkon wrote: Dota 2 tournaments feel so boring now that top Western teams simply don't lose to Chinese teams. OG lost to VG in this tournament itself unless u don't consider them top team..rofl | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On December 12 2015 14:46 Azarkon wrote: Dota 2 tournaments feel so boring now that top Western teams simply don't lose to Chinese teams. I remember in SC2 when it was boring that the Western players never beat the Koreans | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
.i mean,it's not like there was a TI 5 months ago where Top 5 had 4 chinese teams,right?just because they looked weaker after that doesnt mean dota 2 is comparable to starcraft | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 12 2015 15:19 Kamisamanachi wrote: OG lost to VG in this tournament itself unless u don't consider them top team..rofl Didn't that same team lose to Liquid and Natus Vincere? I think they're a team capable of beating the best, but also capable of losing to second-tier teams. In any case, I ought to have just said that it's boring now that Chinese teams no longer look to be able to win tournaments with top Western teams in them. I enjoyed the old days when there was equal competition between the regions, when there was a shot that I'd be wrong when I said that West was going to win. It made it exciting. Now, where's the excitement in watching top Western teams crush Chinese teams for the 4th tournament in a row? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 12 2015 15:25 Klipsys wrote: I remember in SC2 when it was boring that the Western players never beat the Koreans Whenever one region is above the other regions, it gets boring for international competition. Of course, people who are fans of individual teams don't have that problem, but that gets old after a while because teams keep changing. In Dota 2, all in all, I think we had a nice run of international competition - four years of trading wins between China and the West. In SC 2, it only took about two years before the international competition became too one sided for it to matter. For LoL, I think it took two years as well. Those are/were the big eSports I pay attention to, and Dota has had the best time with it. But I feel it's coming to an end. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
take it easy with your prediction charms lmao. | ||
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Germany2762 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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goody153
44125 Posts
On December 13 2015 01:39 Alpino wrote: I'm actually cheering for VG just so China gets some of its mojo back. Yeah me too. VG or Ehome i don't mind . Just wanna see in east vs west, it's much more interesting | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
EIGHT THOUSAND MATCHMAKING POINTS CASTING | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
On December 13 2015 02:06 goody153 wrote: Yeah me too. VG or Ehome i don't mind . Just wanna see in east vs west, it's much more interesting Or OG beat EG. :D | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
Nah We've seen that already i want china back .. west vs west doesn't make international tournament feel international | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
On December 13 2015 02:33 goody153 wrote: Nah We've seen that already i want china back .. west vs west doesn't make international tournament feel international Haha that's just how it is for now. I'll be happy as long as OG or VG win. :p | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 12 2015 17:04 Azarkon wrote: I enjoyed the old days when there was equal competition between the regions, when there was a shot that I'd be wrong when I said that West was going to win. It made it exciting. Now, where's the excitement in watching top Western teams crush Chinese teams for the 4th tournament in a row? You mean like TI5 when China placed 2-5? | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 13 2015 00:04 evanthebouncy! wrote: don't get ahead of yourself yet you've only been right 4 in a roll. take it easy with your prediction charms lmao. even a broken clock is right twice a day. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 13 2015 02:33 goody153 wrote: Nah We've seen that already i want china back .. west vs west doesn't make international tournament feel international At least we still have Europe vs America. | ||
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icystorage
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goody153
44125 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:02 Daralii wrote: At least we still have Europe vs America. Not as fun as china vs west | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
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goody153
44125 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:06 icystorage wrote: have MC played np for liquid? i want some prophet love idk if you want him to play that he doesn't look superb on farming offlanes | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:02 Daralii wrote: At least we still have Europe vs America. EG and DC sometimes vs EU? | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:06 icystorage wrote: have MC played np for liquid? i want some prophet love once in Liquid's match against EHOME a couple days ago (Liquid won) his most played heroes this patch are: Dark Seer (18-8), Tusk (12-6), Clockwerk (8-6), Earthshaker (6-2) | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 02:59 dutchfriese wrote: even a broken clock is right twice a day. The shots of me being right because of the "broken clock" argument is: (0.5)^4 = 6.25% But actually, I also said the West was going to win the international in 2015, so it's actually: (0.5)^5 = 3.12% 97% skill, 3% luck. | ||
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Nyan
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:17 Azarkon wrote: The shots of me being right because of the "broken clock" argument is: (0.5)^4 = 6.25% But actually, I also said the West was going to win the international in 2015, so it's actually: (0.5)^5 = 3.12% 97% skill, 3% luck. Also said VP would be third, MVP would be third, Secret would win, Empire would be third... | ||
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stuchiu
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lolfail9001
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LemOn
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DucK-
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:46 DucK- wrote: This is the worst game I have seen G play. How often does he play Magnus? | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
But FNG salvages a kill on Undying that chases WAY too far. | ||
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DucK-
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:47 Ufnal wrote: What the hell is happening, a speedtest says I have more than 3.5 Mb/s and yet twitch constantly freezes even on medium... 3.5 Mb/s is not that good imho. Is that 3G or cable connection? | ||
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:50 DucK- wrote: Liquid has zero ability to siege or force high ground now. Their only chance of winning is to beat VP in a teamfight outside. If VP plays defensively and not seek teamfights until fat, this game is comfortably theirs. Unless Liquid overfarms them by a lot, which i see happening | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:47 Ufnal wrote: What the hell is happening, a speedtest says I have more than 3.5 Mb/s and yet twitch constantly freezes even on medium... megabits != megabytes | ||
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aeN
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That doesn't matter here, twitch uses around 1.5Mbits/s on High. | ||
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DucK-
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On December 13 2015 03:51 V1ctor wrote: Unless Liquid overfarms them by a lot, which i see happening Umm as long PL is near Gyro/Razor's farm, I think VP is comfortable. VP has so much wave clear, Liquid has so little catch. A farmed PL can harass both cores easily out of the siege. | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:50 V1ctor wrote: 3.5 Mb/s is not that good imho. Is that 3G or cable connection? Cable. And up until tonight this speed was enough to watch Twitch streams (including BtS) in high quality with no problems. I know it's not amazing and am not even touching the "source" buton, but very laggy medium is not something I came to expect... On December 13 2015 03:52 synapse wrote: megabits != megabytes Yeah, I know. And? EDIT: Ok problem found, Steam decided me telling it NOT to download anything was just a non-obligatory suggestion. Carry on, nothing to see here. -.- | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:55 DucK- wrote: Umm as long PL is near Gyro/Razor's farm, I think VP is comfortable. VP has so much wave clear, Liquid has so little catch. A farmed PL can harass both cores easily out of the siege. i mean, PL is 4k behind Razor and 3k behind Gyro. And VP kinda fail at fights so far. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Jesus that game is so bad it's funny. i mean, PL is 4k behind Razor and 3k behind Gyro. And VP kinda fail at fights so far. Yea. I'm just saying that VP should just be dodging fights and stalling. Only look for pickoffs. But VP's just forcing bad engagements everywhere. | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
G has 15 games on Magnus across all patches his last game on it was about 8 months ago (Dreamleague Season 3 qualifier) | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:59 Verniy wrote: G has 15 games on Magnus across all patches his last game on it was about 8 months ago (Dreamleague Season 3 qualifier) Holy crap, that's rare. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 03:28 WolfintheSheep wrote: Also said VP would be third, MVP would be third, Secret would win, Empire would be third... I over rated Russians, over rated Koreans, and over rated Arteezy, but I do also recall saying that one of Puppey/PPD is going to win. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote: I over rated Russians, over rated Koreans, and over rated Arteezy, but I do also recall saying that one of Puppey/PPD is going to win. Justifying errors? You are going low, bro. | ||
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V1ctor
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lolfail9001
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Saechiis
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
Instead of losing Roshan for free, they get a top Rax by pressuring the top lane early so the creep wave is near T3's. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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HammerKick
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
That was all set up by Silent. On December 13 2015 04:12 Kabras wrote: it's only one lane, at this point it doesn't mean much at all. vp's still sitting pretty comfortable That's true, but would you rather have one rax down or 0? IMO, any little advantage you can get late game, you take because it could have huge effects on the game. | ||
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lolnoty
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lolfail9001
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
You were however right when you said long ago about the decline of Chinese dota. I actually agreed with your opinion then. | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Silent playing some amazing PL | ||
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SFDuality
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V1ctor
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:13 Frazzlehoon wrote: VP WITH THE PLAYS That was all set up by Silent. That's true, but would you rather have one rax down or 0? IMO, any little advantage you can get late game, you take because it could have huge effects on the game. yea i wasn't saying it's good for vp but it honestly didn't change the game at all as we've seen. | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:16 SFDuality wrote: Why is it that it's the team with the wisp that feels like it has less mobility? Silent is using his Blink REALLY well. And also BoTs on lots of people. | ||
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lolnoty
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:17 lolnoty wrote: is it my bias that makes me think kuro has played bad all event? He definitely helped VP to win this game, i won't lie | ||
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SFDuality
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:18 lolfail9001 wrote: He definitely helped VP to win this game, i won't lie I forget which other series they played, but I distinctly remember a really bad AA game too | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:18 lolfail9001 wrote: He definitely helped VP to win this game, i won't lie yup, if it wasn't for the relocate the gyro would get triple kill | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. | ||
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dutchfriese
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On December 13 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote: I over rated Russians, over rated Koreans, and over rated Arteezy, but I do also recall saying that one of Puppey/PPD is going to win. You just say a lot of stupid shit. Sometimes it sticks, but it's usually ludicrous. | ||
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Romania3508 Posts
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 wims80 wrote: Silent is such a huge upgrade over Ilidan From blades of azzinoth to glaives of wisdom. Should be downgrade, but in this case, pure damage > physical | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 DucK- wrote: Anyway it isn't a throw by Liquid. It was just poor plays by Liquid during minute 8-14 that gave space for PL to have some farm. After that, he had enough items to make him immune to any attempt at ganking him. That allowed him the safety and space to keep farming. Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. Yeah I wouldn't call that a throw, but they did choke. Too much solo hero play from Liquid. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 DucK- wrote: Anyway it isn't a throw by Liquid. It was just poor plays by Liquid during minute 8-14 that gave space for PL to have some farm. After that, he had enough items to make him immune to any attempt at ganking him. That allowed him the safety and space to keep farming. Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. Gyro and Razor were both 16k while PL was 12k at some point. Losing by running supports into the PL at that point I'd consider throwing. There was no way PL was going to keep up on farm with both Liquid cores if that hadn't happened several times in a row. They gifted him Heart Manta and it was over. VP certainly did play well though, not trying to say they didn't. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:19 DucK- wrote: Anyway it isn't a throw by Liquid. It was just poor plays by Liquid during minute 8-14 that gave space for PL to have some farm. After that, he had enough items to make him immune to any attempt at ganking him. That allowed him the safety and space to keep farming. Like I said, once PL has the ability to get fat, VP should have this game barring some stupid teamfight loss. It's definitely a throw. I get not wanting to be clustered against ice blast and RP, but there was no reason to just be scattered all over the map allowing VP to pick them all off one by one. They never managed to get a solid 5v5 fight. Every engagement in the late game had them down one or two heroes because they stupidly got themselves picked off. Even when they were ahead, they played like they were behind. | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:22 dutchfriese wrote: Yeah I wouldn't call that a throw, but they did choke. Too much solo hero play from Liquid. It definitely wasn't a throw. VP just outplayed and outmaneuvered them in the mid-late game with their superior late game heroes. There were lots of attempts of Liquid trying to make something happen, but they either didn't predict the correct movements or didn't have enough support to bring down heroes. There weren't any huge mistakes that Liquid caused themselves to lose. VP took every single advantage they could when they were down to come back in the game. If anything, this shows how solid VP's drafting and shotcalling is. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:21 dutchfriese wrote: You just say a lot of stupid shit. Sometimes it sticks, but it's usually ludicrous. It's usually spot on. Saying Virtus Pro and Empire would be 3rd/4th isn't that ridiculous, and saying Secret would win is what most of the community did. The only ludicrous call I made during the international was that MVP would be 3rd. I did enjoy what happened after though - ie all the people telling me that, after Secret got eliminated and PPD's team dropped to lower, the Chinese were going to take it, and that I best be prepared to disappear. We all know what happened. And yes, calling for the West to win these days is not a big achievement. Which is why I said in the beginning that I'd love for it to be competitive again. Rather than a "broken clock" analogy, the current state of Dota is one where anyone could get it right just by saying the West's gonna win. That makes it boring. | ||
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Gear 3rd
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 Anyway gotta keep the chin up so that the horse tramples down the bear! | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Gold lead at 20 mins that's mainly a byproduct of the draft != won game | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:24 Saechiis wrote: Gyro and Razor were both 16k while PL was 12k at some point. Losing by running supports into the PL at that point I'd consider throwing. There was no way PL was going to keep up on farm with both Liquid cores if that hadn't happened several times in a row. They gifted him Heart Manta and it was over. VP certainly did play well though, not trying to say they didn't. It doesn't matter if both cores maintain a 4k lead over PL. At their current networth, they can't comfortably siege highground with all the spam VP has. If they have a bigger networth, they still can't comfortably siege highground with a farmed PL + the spams. Liquid has zero chance of forcing highground with VP heroes defending. They can only do so with a teamfight, which VP can choose not to engage. The networth doesn't matter once PL reached the stage when he can comfortably keep up with Liquid's cores. To me it is a throw when Liquid has the game firmly in their grasp. My opinion is that at no stage of the game was Liquid in full control. As I pointed out earlier, from minute 8-14 Liquid screwed up bad. At that point I already called the VP win. What happened wasn't a throw, but a full tilt. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:31 shizaep wrote: People abusing the word "throw" once again. You throw when you have the game pretty much won but you lose the game anyways. Gold lead at 20 mins that's mainly a byproduct of the draft != won game A game is not won until the throne explodes. | ||
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Moldova1645 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:28 Azarkon wrote: It's usually spot on. Saying Virtus Pro and Empire would be 3rd/4th isn't that ridiculous, and saying Secret would win is what most of the community did. The only ludicrous call I made during the international was that MVP would be 3rd. I did enjoy what happened after though - ie all the people telling me that, after Secret got eliminated and PPD's team dropped to lower, the Chinese were going to take it, and that I best be prepared to disappear. We all know what happened. And yes, calling for the West to win these days is not a big achievement. Which is why I said in the beginning that I'd love for it to be competitive again. Rather than a "broken clock" analogy, the current state of Dota is one where anyone could get it right just by saying the West's gonna win. That makes it boring. Saying "one of the two teams that make every finals will win TI5" is an obvious guess, and getting that right does not make you smart. Getting everything else wrong and still pretending you're smart is hilarious. You hedged your bets across like 6 teams and got 1 right. Also, many (most) people still thought EG would take the finals, especially when you separate out the people making predictions with the ones who are just cheering their favourite teams. Betting odds were in favour of EG, and the fact that they won was not shocking to anyone. | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
The confidence in an early Brood pickup, let's see if he can counter what Liquid drafts. | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:34 V1ctor wrote: I hope the fourth caster is not slacks Thank god it is LD | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:39 lolnoty wrote: axe isnt that great against brood in pro games, it's mostly good against bad/average broods that just all one control group don't forget the dazzle, still axe is a bad pick in general in the meta | ||
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:38 uthgard wrote: lol, the "pick axe if you dare" opening from Vp well axe counters dazzle and brood, but i too think it is a bait | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Too early for Venge carry, no? Actually carry Dazzle. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:40 V1ctor wrote: well axe counters dazzle and brood, but i too think it is a bait Axe doesn't counter Brood. He merely is a hero that doesn't die to Brood, can farm against the hero, and doesn't allow Brood to dominate the lane. Essentially you're guaranteed a decent Blink initiator. Brood though still should get the usual farm really easily. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
Dazzleator for the win | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Ah yeah, i forgot about the best carry. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:44 ptbl wrote: Seriously, the dota team chokes at the same time as the CSGO team. Hell, the league team choked when they had multiple opportunities to go to worlds. The heroes team choked in Prague for the Blizzcon qualifiers. There are too many Liquid teams that are choking at important times. Is this on management or the team themselves? What's going on? pretty sure it's on you | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote: Saying "one of the two teams that make every finals will win TI5" is an obvious guess, and getting that right does not make you smart. Getting everything else wrong and still pretending you're smart is hilarious. You hedged your bets across like 6 teams and got 1 right. Also, many (most) people still thought EG would take the finals, especially when you separate out the people making predictions with the ones who are just cheering their favourite teams. Betting odds were in favour of EG, and the fact that they won was not shocking to anyone. Ah yes, ignore the big calls, and focus only on such trivial errors as who the 3rd place team is going to be. I'll be fair - by the time of the international, it was easy already to see that the West was going to win, and the only people who thought otherwise operated on the mistaken belief that the Chinese were going to double their skill in a month. But the "smart" call was the one I made earlier in the year, after DAC, where I said that there is no way the Chinese had a team that matches up to PPD's and Puppey's in raw talent. And the "smarter" call, in case you will, is the one I made AFTER the international, where I said that all jokes about 8 0 0 0 MMR aside, it's the Western new talent that's going to pull the West ahead this season. But yes, keep talking about how I made a mistake about the Russians and Koreans. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:47 Azarkon wrote: Ah yes, ignore the big calls, and focus only on such trivial errors as who the 3rd place team is going to be. I'll be fair - by the time of the international, it was easy already to see that the West was going to win, and the only people who thought otherwise operated on the mistaken belief that the Chinese were just sand bagging the whole way. But the "smart" call was the one I made earlier in the year, after DAC, where I said that there is no way the Chinese had a team that matches up to PPD's and Puppey's in raw talent. And the "smarter" call, in case you will, is the one I made AFTER the international, where I said that all jokes about 8 0 0 0 MMR aside, it's the Western new talent that's going to pull the West ahead this season. But yes, keep talking about how I made a mistake about the Russians and Koreans. Also forgetting your big call of no Chinese in the Top 4. | ||
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SFDuality
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On December 13 2015 04:44 ptbl wrote: Seriously, the dota team chokes at the same time as the CSGO team. Hell, the league team choked when they had multiple opportunities to go to worlds. The heroes team choked in Prague for the Blizzcon qualifiers. There are too many Liquid teams that are choking at important times. Is this on management or the team themselves? What's going on? Yeah, it's totally management's fault. They have voodoo dolls of all the Liquid players and stick pins in them whenever they're close to winning. /s Shit happens sometimes. Stop looking for people to blame. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:48 WolfintheSheep wrote: Also forgetting your big call of no Chinese in the Top 4. I said there *could* be no Chinese in the top 4, not that there's going to be. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:49 DucK- wrote: Liquid should have this game on the back of an unkillable fata. theyve got it if it goes late, but I think VP can take this early/mid f G can get going early with his blink | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:49 Azarkon wrote: I said there *could* be no Chinese in the top 4, not that there's going to be. Notice that majority of your calls have some form of hedging? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:50 DucK- wrote: Notice that majority of your calls have some form of hedging? Ever think the majority of what I say aren't calls? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:50 DucK- wrote: Notice that majority of your calls have some form of hedging? Obviously so he can claim they were correct. Here is my call: Every single one of us may die in next 150 years. | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
KuroKy is 4-5 on Elder Titan all-time numbers are against liquid | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
VP is CRUSHING the midlane so far, let's see the midgame rotations. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:50 DucK- wrote: Notice that majority of your calls have some form of hedging? Clearly only calls when they're right. Can't be a broken clock if you only tell time twice a day. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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lolfail9001
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I am impressed. Also, 322 xpm Venge, lmao | ||
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Gear 3rd
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 but as i write this gyro is still a hero | ||
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Verniy
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liquid back in this game | ||
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lolnoty
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SFDuality
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Rocket barrage what an ability. | ||
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lolnoty
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On December 13 2015 04:58 lolnoty wrote: why is vp chasing a doom under his tower when he's full hp Because CIS Dota. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:59 Gear 3rd wrote: IF (and that is a big if imo) liquid can win this it is 90% on snowballing gyro as much as possible. if matumbaman gets picked off as much as he usually does liquid wont win this. are we talking about gyro snowballing or tusk snowballing the gyro in the fights am I funny or not | ||
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On December 13 2015 05:00 HammerKick wrote: are we talking about gyro snowballing or tusk snowballing the gyro in the fights am I funny or not If i could upvote in LD i would! | ||
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HammerKick
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On December 13 2015 05:00 HammerKick wrote: are we talking about gyro snowballing or tusk snowballing the gyro in the fights am I funny or not I'd say this post is pretty lame. But your earlier post was gold. On December 13 2015 04:22 HammerKick wrote: From blades of azzinoth to glaives of wisdom. Should be downgrade, but in this case, pure damage > physical | ||
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On December 13 2015 05:03 DucK- wrote: I'd say this post is pretty lame. But your earlier post was gold. still wondering why ET in this game. Sounds cool to increase gyro's damage, but what else? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:52 WolfintheSheep wrote: Clearly only calls when they're right. Can't be a broken clock if you only tell time twice a day. Yeah, that's why I said I was wrong about the Russians and the Koreans during the international? Because I only admit calls when I'm right? You want to know what a call is? Here's an example: On November 15 2015 00:20 Azarkon wrote: I'm calling all Western finals in case Secret wins next game. Don't see any Chinese team taking them down and we know PPD basically never loses to Chinese. This was what I said as Secret was playing LGD during Frankfurt. A call is not: "I think this is the first year Western teams could take all top 3 guys." | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:03 HammerKick wrote: still wondering why ET in this game. Sounds cool to increase gyro's damage, but what else? it's some of the worst heroes to play ET against , dazzle weave is all + armor and tiny doesn't even have base armor to reduce. VP's lineup will naturally get AC/vlads too | ||
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DucK-
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On December 13 2015 05:05 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, that's why I said I was wrong about the Russians and the Koreans during the international? Because I only admit calls when I'm right? You want to know what a call is? Here's an example: This was what I said as Secret was playing LGD during Frankfurt. A call is not: "I think this is the first year Western teams could take all top 3 guys." I see hedging here. | ||
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Gear 3rd
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Kinda sad that Blitz is (kinda) bound to JD at this point. He would fit perfectly in this casting-couch style i think | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Yeah, there is, but it's a minor one, as I'm locked into the call as soon as Secret wins, and no this wasn't the game that decided the finals. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:08 Gear 3rd wrote: Yeah I dont see Liquid winning this... I think they win this if it goes late, it's still 20 miinutes. if liquid get to the 3 very beefy cores stage VP probably don't have the damage to chop through them | ||
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SFDuality
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On December 13 2015 05:08 Gear 3rd wrote: Yeah I dont see Liquid winning this... You were saying? | ||
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Saechiis
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On December 13 2015 05:11 lolfail9001 wrote: Nice throw there VP This IS a throw? | ||
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lolfail9001
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Yes, engaging like that is a throw even if you are 20k behind. | ||
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Gear 3rd
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On December 13 2015 05:11 DucK- wrote: There was no play for VP after taking down Gyro's Aegis. Why the heck did they stay there. For me the more important question is why did they swap in dazzle? dazzle was so comfortable he couldve just graved and mayybe swapped afterwards? the beginning of the fight was messy to begin with but it was clear that Liquid are able to catch up to the venge | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:14 lolfail9001 wrote: holy crap Venge actually hits like a truck. Not sure why you think she wouldn't. -Armor, +% damage, good stat gain. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On December 13 2015 05:15 WolfintheSheep wrote: Not sure why you think she wouldn't. -Armor, +% damage, good stat gain. I mean, i know Venge hits like a truck on paper. I once did the math that lead me to conclusion that when IceFrog dropped Juggernaut's BAT to 1.5, Venge was still a better DPSer. I usually don't get to see that. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:13 Gear 3rd wrote: For me the more important question is why did they swap in dazzle? dazzle was so comfortable he couldve just graved and mayybe swapped afterwards? the beginning of the fight was messy to begin with but it was clear that Liquid are able to catch up to the venge Because Venge was caught by Shards. There's no way Venge would survive even if Dazzle was there. The Swap gave Venge enough distance to run to safety, though even then she would have died if not for Bane. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:17 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, i know Venge hits like a truck on paper. I once did the math that lead me to conclusion that when IceFrog dropped Juggernaut's BAT to 1.5, Venge was still a better DPSer. I usually don't get to see that. There's been a lot of carry Venge recently. Thank FNG and Illidan(RIP) for popularizing it. | ||
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On December 13 2015 05:17 DucK- wrote: Because Venge was caught by Shards. There's no way Venge would survive even if Dazzle was there. The Swap gave Venge enough distance to run to safety, though even then she would have died if not for Bane. yea but iirc tusk threw the shards a few seconds beforehand... there was no way they would last longer than 2 secs when the fight actually started... ah well im typing too much im missing the game :D | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:18 Daralii wrote: There's been a lot of carry Venge recently. Thank FNG and Illidan(RIP) for popularizing it. I was not watching doto recently. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
Did you get to see Burning's carry Venge game? | ||
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:19 Daralii wrote: Did you get to see Burning's carry Venge game? did he win? | ||
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lolfail9001
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On December 13 2015 05:19 Daralii wrote: Did you get to see Burning's carry Venge game? Actually wanted to watch that but did not get to it yet. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:08 Gear 3rd wrote: Yeah I dont see Liquid winning this... | ||
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lolfail9001
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
trns tiny into a support :D | ||
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Gear 3rd
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Im proud that my fail-prediction marks your 8000th post | ||
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lolfail9001
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icystorage
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:26 lolfail9001 wrote: The real question is: will Liquid manage to throw that? come on. game1 was on purpose...to give us fans some drama! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:27 icystorage wrote: ld just called vp 'trash' This game they were. I mean, they actually did everything they could not to snowball the game into easy win. | ||
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LemOn
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On December 13 2015 04:53 Saechiis wrote: Liquid getting rekt, there's no way this is going to pan out. I was left. | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
or kotlguy is just bullshitting | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:41 Verniy wrote: patch preview after this series? or kotlguy is just bullshitting V1lat said it too. I bet it'll be Slacks in a blue frog costume. | ||
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Russian Federation251 Posts
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United States3455 Posts
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lolfail9001
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And even more movement speed to get into Drow face. I think Kuroky is right this game. | ||
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stuchiu
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:53 plasmidghost wrote: I think Liquid has this game in the bag From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag! | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
Been a while and another razor pick for fata, isn't he tired in the end | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
You tried fam | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:04 HammerKick wrote: btw who's casting in this game please? sounds like fogged and bilbo | ||
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dutchfriese
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On December 13 2015 06:04 HammerKick wrote: btw who's casting in this game please? merlini kotlguy fogged bulba | ||
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:04 HammerKick wrote: btw who's casting in this game please? Merlini, Fogged, Kotlguy and Bulba I think. And holy crap, FATA is huge. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:08 Frazzlehoon wrote: I MISSED IT. How did VP get the Wisp/Razor? Liquid didn't know they were doing Rosh, Fata walked into them and died, Wisp died trying to save him. | ||
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stuchiu
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On December 13 2015 06:05 Daralii wrote: https://twitter.com/LilJke/status/675779245617057792 You tried fam it aint over til its over | ||
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Daralii
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On December 13 2015 06:10 wims80 wrote: Lycan is such an annoying bs hero with his imbalanced movement speed during the never ending ulti At least he's not pre-nerf Bloodseeker? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
At least pre-nerf Bloodseeker was slowable. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:11 lolfail9001 wrote: At least pre-nerf Bloodseeker was slowable. Did it matter anyway? | ||
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lolfail9001
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
what's happening Mind control needs more farm men! | ||
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stuchiu
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lolnoty
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Gear 3rd
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Feels a lil familiar... | ||
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synapse
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HammerKick
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On December 13 2015 06:14 Gear 3rd wrote: The chokes!!! Feels a lil familiar... how could I never think about that pun | ||
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shizaep
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TomatoBisque
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On December 13 2015 06:15 Nevuk wrote: 20 minute vanguard doom with the same networth as winter wyvern *Visage | ||
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On December 13 2015 06:19 LemOn wrote: WHAT THE FUCK!! Ward. | ||
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synapse
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
but still G is a god | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On December 13 2015 05:28 hunter_x wrote: out with the vp trash haha You were saying? | ||
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V1ctor
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On December 13 2015 06:19 trifecta wrote: VAC There was a ward there | ||
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lolfail9001
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Spicy_Curry
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On December 13 2015 06:20 eX Killy wrote: ya im going to pretend there was no ward there | ||
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CorsairHero
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gg vp | ||
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Danzo
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lolnoty
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:20 eX Killy wrote: ya im going to pretend there was no ward there What are you talking about? That was blind raze! | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Finals lets go | ||
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kazyv
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plus, the liquid lineup was kinda lacking in teamfight? i mean there was almost no reason to get bkb for the vp cores | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
Interesting. | ||
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midou
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:24 PhoenixVoid wrote: I missed the game so I'm wondering how Liquid threw. They had a pretty big lead from laning stage were up like 8-2 won like all lanes VP went for a desperation rosh and Fata face checked it and got blown up, Kuro died trying to save him, VP got rosh VP then won a teamfight about a minute later thanks to Aegis and just won every fight for the rest of the game | ||
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Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:25 HammerKick wrote: So OG vs EHOME then OG vs VP? Interesting. You're not giving ehome a chance are you? )) | ||
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On December 13 2015 06:24 hunter_x wrote: Ok summit pretty uninteresting for me now. see ya | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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just pitiful | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:28 TheTenthDoc wrote: This is like watching Sharknado 2 just pitiful but you're still watching | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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I couldn't stop watching Sharknado 2 either | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:29 TheTenthDoc wrote: I couldn't stop watching Sharknado 2 either It's like a trainwreck you just can't look away | ||
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hunter_x
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i was quoting ld you know? he said that in the cast. | ||
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:33 Kishin2 wrote: that was great why is everyone mad how old are you? | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
I'm 25 and found it funny. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
Plot twist, you're a dog. | ||
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United States10656 Posts
26 found it funny. for the most part I like slacks, hes the right host for Summit's style. | ||
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Gear 3rd
1244 Posts
Now i am just rooting for OG/China.. the anti EG way of life | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:37 Spicy_Curry wrote: I enjoy me some dank memes Who doesn't | ||
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trifecta
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:50 Daralii wrote: So now that BTS killed Dota, what games are you all moving to? Hearthstone for real "esports" | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Also, OG choosing dire instead of firstpick makes me wonder if they have a strategy for 2nd pick dire, because it was obvious that's what they would get. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 06:56 Nevuk wrote: I find winter's voice very soothing. Also, OG choosing dire instead of firstpick makes me wonder if they have a strategy for 2nd pick dire, because it was obvious that's what they would get. Winter's voice is relaxing Not as relaxing as purge tho | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Damn these picks - last pick meepo and last pick omni | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
Huskar omni, notail meepo | ||
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theyre capitalizing on moon's level. this is really really good | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 07:15 Kreb wrote: This is so smart going Huskar twice. So many other teams would been all "shit shit lets secure our top". They just leave it andkill Huskar. And feed him some assist gold after all. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote: And feed him some assist gold after all. Huskar Curse. You kill him, but one of your heroes has 6 burning spears stack on him and dies in a horrible death a few seconds later. | ||
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Ufnal
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On December 13 2015 06:32 hunter_x wrote: i was quoting ld you know? he said that in the cast. I actually did not know, sorry. | ||
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lolfail9001
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HammerKick
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TO FUCKING DISASTER | ||
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dfs
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TheTenthDoc
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stuchiu
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lolfail9001
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HammerKick
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TO REVERSE DISASTER | ||
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TomatoBisque
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Gear 3rd
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Has the edge in experience man! | ||
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Theoren
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lolfail9001
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Wut. | ||
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HammerKick
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Belgium16168 Posts
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Frazzlehoon
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But lol Meepo not at that fight at all | ||
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uthgard
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
THE FUCK | ||
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midou
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Azarkon
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BurningSera
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wtf that clearly will not work for Ehome lol | ||
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dutchfriese
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On December 13 2015 07:37 Azarkon wrote: I think Ehome knew they were out classed late game, so had to end the game, but that was never going to occur No shit? Huskar is a dog shit late game hero. | ||
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Azarkon
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Pyrthas
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 07:38 Azarkon wrote: Trying to out split push a Western team is ridiculous especially Notail's team You're never gonna push faster than a meepo and a sf with a wind with only aghs, chinese team or not | ||
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Frazzlehoon
United States3455 Posts
On December 13 2015 07:38 dutchfriese wrote: That was... strange. I'm not sure why Ehome wasn't just right clicking the throne the entire time and instead opting for maybe 80% uptime after the second tier 4 fell. You have to balance it with harassing the enemy away and doing damage to towers. There were 3 OG heroes just baiting them back and forth. It's really hard to make split second decisions with so much chaos going on. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On December 13 2015 07:40 Frazzlehoon wrote: You have to balance it with harassing the enemy away and doing damage to towers. There were 3 OG heroes just baiting them back and forth. It's really hard to make split second decisions with so much chaos going on. The one really unfortunate thing was oldchicken using focus fire on the rax just before CTY started running at the throne. | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 13 2015 07:40 Frazzlehoon wrote: You have to balance it with harassing the enemy away and doing damage to towers. There were 3 OG heroes just baiting them back and forth. It's really hard to make split second decisions with so much chaos going on. Yeah I get that, but they were all in anyways. I just don't see the benefit of trying to manage the other 3 heroes while an SF/Meepo are hitting your throne. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 07:37 Azarkon wrote: I think Ehome knew they were out classed late game, so had to end the game, but that was never going to occur You mean EHOME saw alive dark seer and saw SF and meepo at their base? Baserace was their only option. They still fucked that up but tping back would suck harder. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
Offlane again? | ||
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uthgard
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lolfail9001
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:08 HammerKick wrote: wait is this support clock? apparently | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
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TomatoBisque
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Azarkon
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
it's just so good | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
TUSK VS EHOME PLEASE | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Damn. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:17 bagels21 wrote: why do teams let eleven get tusk? it's just so good They won against it last game. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:17 bagels21 wrote: why do teams let eleven get tusk? it's just so good I don't think OG is stupid enough to repeat that mistake | ||
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Kreb
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Yeah, except that tusk was the sole saving grace for EHOME in last game. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:18 Kreb wrote: Ye 2pts in abaddon passive is cute during laning. And now thats 2 wasted pts and his healing ability is severly nerfed. It's carry abbadon look at networth | ||
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dutchfriese
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:20 dutchfriese wrote: IF OG can get a quick AC up I can see them giving ehome a ton of problems. quick AC? That would require quickly doubling networth of their most farmed hero. | ||
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Kreb
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HammerKick
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
before he discovered the dank side of the memes | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
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Gear 3rd
1244 Posts
Western dota conquering the ingame aspect and Eastern Dota taking the casting side :D | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:22 Verniy wrote: i kind of miss the old winter before he discovered the dank side of the memes when you get converted to the meme cult, you become a better man | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
You can hear him cast, but the hero is useless | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:23 Gear 3rd wrote: so Winter is outclassing the "personalities" in play by play, hype and analysis casting... get your shit together guys! Western dota conquering the ingame aspect and Eastern Dota taking the casting side :D Nah it's just the pros in general are better n0tail moon puppey fng etc. have superior hypecasting | ||
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dutchfriese
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:22 Verniy wrote: i kind of miss the old winter before he discovered the dank side of the memes It's being exacerbated by the amount of alcohol BTS is supplying him with I think | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:23 Gear 3rd wrote: so Winter is outclassing the "personalities" in play by play, hype and analysis casting... get your shit together guys! Western dota conquering the ingame aspect and Eastern Dota taking the casting side :D I think there's a fair bit of disagreement on that but anyway I would like more player casting tho =( | ||
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wims80
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HammerKick
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:23 Gear 3rd wrote: so Winter is outclassing the "personalities" in play by play, hype and analysis casting... get your shit together guys! Western dota conquering the ingame aspect and Eastern Dota taking the casting side :D Winter is better at everything | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:21 lolfail9001 wrote: quick AC? That would require quickly doubling networth of their most farmed hero. Lol yeah pretty much. This is looking pretty over. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:26 HammerKick wrote: Safelane LD is 8th networth, just gg n0tail back to playing 4th position | ||
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trifecta
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
oh winter | ||
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dutchfriese
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uthgard
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TomatoBisque
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poor Mineski | ||
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Kreb
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Gear 3rd
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Or maybe he got hired to welcome guests with some warm towels or something | ||
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Azarkon
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:33 Ufnal wrote: Why is our birthday man so unhappy? He has to be in a house with siractionslacks for 12+ hours | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:31 uthgard wrote: by the way he played pretty sure It was literally notail's first time playing LD Notail's a worthy successor to the Envy crown of weirdest carry in the game. I really don't understand how he can be so good and so completely terrible at the same time. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:35 Orome wrote: Notail's a worthy successor to the Envy crown of weirdest carry in the game. I really don't understand how he can be so good and so completely terrible at the same time. "he's the only carry player with weirder deaths than me" - EE | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:35 Orome wrote: Notail's a worthy successor to the Envy crown of weirdest carry in the game. I really don't understand how he can be so good and so completely terrible at the same time. Don't pick him useless heroes like LD and it should be fine. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:38 HammerKick wrote: Don't pick him useless heroes like LD and it should be fine. wasnt EE terrible on LD too? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Maybe he was not, but his LD games never went well from what i remember. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:35 Orome wrote: Notail's a worthy successor to the Envy crown of weirdest carry in the game. I really don't understand how he can be so good and so completely terrible at the same time. Wait, since when n0tail is good other than on a select few heroes? | ||
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Zeelah
Ireland172 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:41 plasmidghost wrote: Someone in Twitch chat just had a dank suggestion, instead of casters, have all commentary done by a chimpanzee doing sign language so a mute slacks? | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
Basically, yeah, it'd probably even make silly noises too | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:41 Zeelah wrote: Missed the first two games,could someone kindly give me a brief synopsis of game 1+2? Game 1: Ehome goes for a base race vs meepo sf Game 2: OG thought picking useless heroes was a good idea Game 3 is starting | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
savage haha | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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Zeelah
Ireland172 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 08:49 Zeelah wrote: Whos casting? Bulba Ld and who else? Jerax and idk who | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
matumbaman I think, not sure it's another tl player that is not kuroky | ||
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Latham
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
cty pls | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:08 Azarkon wrote: I'm not a writer, I'm a story teller. Deep. Oh come on, that wasnt a bad line. | ||
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Theoren
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:16 Theoren wrote: Did CTY just dopplewalk inside the put instead of jumping out? Could be RNG keeping him there, duh. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
6 minute god indeed. | ||
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Warfie
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On December 13 2015 09:21 Azarkon wrote: Yawn, another Western win all-EHOME cast for the finals then! | ||
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Norway71 Posts
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lolfail9001
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On December 13 2015 09:25 Tesgah wrote: Shadow Fiend is too good in all stages of the game. Hoping for a nerf! These games are not the best representative of that tbh. | ||
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United States21060 Posts
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United States16991 Posts
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Chrian
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:29 hunter_x wrote: this almost looked like matchfixing. i mean how can you go from playing well, to playing so shit in the timeframe of 5 minutes? #JustChinaThings | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Zeelah
Ireland172 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:33 spudde123 wrote: VP was very close to beating OG even at the major. Imo they somewhat choked in the last game and "should have" taken it. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat OG. They recently beat them at Starladder qualifiers too | ||
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Latham
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On December 13 2015 09:42 Asha wrote: wtf is this shit should i just give up and go to bed rather than thinking next game might happen soonish? ??? 18 minutes at most im thinking? just squeeze in a pub of counter strike and you're golden | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:42 Asha wrote: wtf is this shit should i just give up and go to bed rather than thinking next game might happen soonish? My guess is it will start in 15-30 min somewhere in that time frame. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 09:42 Asha wrote: wtf is this shit should i just give up and go to bed rather than thinking next game might happen soonish? Would you rather be watching G2A ads? | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 13 2015 10:07 dfs wrote: You can do that. Oh wow I didn't know you could view match details without a ticket, thanks Reborn | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 13 2015 10:15 Verniy wrote: i didn't know mindcontrol changed teams already Liquid disband faster than C9? | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
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rebdomine
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rebdomine
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Germany2762 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
VP picked Sven last after it | ||
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yotsuna
Hong Kong186 Posts
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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rebdomine
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On December 13 2015 11:03 Verniy wrote: don't think i've ever seen OG get stomped this hard I think EG vs OG losers final game 1 at the Frankfurt Major was this bad too. | ||
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Ireland172 Posts
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rebdomine
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On December 13 2015 11:07 lolfail9001 wrote: The dream is real. need to not get a kill though before the game ends. and they should the end the game at 32:22 | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 13 2015 11:08 rebdomine wrote: need to not get a kill though before the game ends. and they should the end the game at 32:22 Dream's dead. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
close enough | ||
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Australia2330 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
Really coolheaded play by VP, amazing job picking smart fights for the entire game. It never looked for a second like they weren't in total control of things. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Latham
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3:33 am. why am i still watching doto and not asleep? | ||
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rebdomine
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 11:44 WolfintheSheep wrote: KotLguy's been reduced to a sound board. Making bad one-liners at inopportune times. yeah but redditwitch approves | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 13 2015 11:44 WolfintheSheep wrote: KotLguy's been reduced to a sound board. Making bad one-liners at inopportune times. it was a natural career path. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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United States3674 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 11:50 the bear jew wrote: Glimpse is so OP when you are ahead. Yeah Lil has been doing work, he's got more net worth than everyone but Miracle and n0tail on OG's side | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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rebdomine
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rebdomine
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Canada3360 Posts
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wims80
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 11:55 Verniy wrote: typical virtus.throw They still have a huge lead E: Silent has DD and going highground | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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bagels21
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Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
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hariooo
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Canada3360 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:03 Verniy wrote: so can we confirm it as official that OG weakness is CIS? After having their style studied by all teams they don't seem too versatile | ||
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Poorlilrich
Australia262 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:02 hariooo wrote: 4th/8 isn't bad for a tier 1.5 team like OG 2 lan wins including major and a final in 3 weeks and they're tier 1.5? Let me guess 3 more tiers and they'd be on the level of secret? | ||
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Canada32740 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:07 PhoenixVoid wrote: Viper, Distruptor and Slardar have worked so well against OG. most important was fng's bans, which were huge | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:06 shizaep wrote: 2 lan wins including major and a final in 3 weeks and they're tier 1.5? Let me guess 3 more tiers and they'd be on the level of secret? one of those lan wins had 0 opposition tbh | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
im actually secretly hoping for some bigdaddy rapira comeback | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:08 shizaep wrote: i got high just to watch some sick dota and this series has been just flatout disappointing im actually secretly hoping for some bigdaddy rapira comeback bigdaddy aint no EE | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:08 Alpino wrote: one of those lan wins had 0 opposition tbh EE and ppd have both said they underprepared and didn't respect OG enough or something to that effect as well | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
learned nothing from when he was on c9 | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:06 shizaep wrote: 2 lan wins including major and a final in 3 weeks and they're tier 1.5? Let me guess 3 more tiers and they'd be on the level of secret? Pretty sure they're expected to beat all the tier 3 teams in Dreamleague. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:11 trifecta wrote: invoker is still not a pick. doom looked bad all day as well. Any game that makes Doom look bad is a good day. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:16 WolfintheSheep wrote: Any game that makes Doom look bad is a good day. Yeah maybe he'll get buffed next patch, cmon icefraud | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
This is why a team like og doesn't sustain their dominance. They rely on the same drafting approach all the time. They appear to have a wide hero pool, but they are actually fairly predictable. I think og need to switch things up. Also don't pick LD for notail. I have seen too many pub games of his. He buys too many small items that delays his big item. Basilus oov quelling tranquil phase stout. 3.5k net worth of nothing. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:17 DucK- wrote: 2nd game shows how a prepared team can deal with og. I've said several times how bad it is to first phase gyro, since og loves to run PL/huskar/am against it. Well, all you have to do is to remove 2 of the heroes, and make the game unplayable for the third. That's what VP did. This is why a team like og doesn't sustain their dominance. They rely on the same drafting approach all the time. They appear to have a wide hero pool, but they are actually fairly predictable. I think og need to switch things up. Also don't pick LD for notail. I have seen too many pub games of his. He buys too many small items that delays his big item. Basilus oov quelling tranquil phase stout. 3.5k net worth of nothing. overrated gtrash tbh | ||
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
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Zeelah
Ireland172 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
They met again and again in almost every Tournament lately Which breaks my heart cause I LOVE them both </3 | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:17 Xinder wrote: So I had the series up on my other monitor and didn't catch it all directly, but every time I looked OG was getting wrecked. The score in both also seemed to corroborate that. Were there any bright moments for them? i think there was a fight in game 2 at the radiant tier 1 where VP got wiped? aside from that i can't think of any moment in that series where OG looked Obviously Good at all | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On December 13 2015 13:22 Verniy wrote: i think there was a fight in game 2 at the radiant tier 1 where VP got wiped? aside from that i can't think of any moment in that series where OG looked Obviously Good at all Yeah they tried to take the fight poorly and lost like 3 people and the tower for 1 guy or something | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On December 13 2015 12:17 DucK- wrote: 2nd game shows how a prepared team can deal with og. I've said several times how bad it is to first phase gyro, since og loves to run PL/huskar/am against it. Well, all you have to do is to remove 2 of the heroes, and make the game unplayable for the third. That's what VP did. This is why a team like og doesn't sustain their dominance. They rely on the same drafting approach all the time. They appear to have a wide hero pool, but they are actually fairly predictable. I think og need to switch things up. Also don't pick LD for notail. I have seen too many pub games of his. He buys too many small items that delays his big item. Basilus oov quelling tranquil phase stout. 3.5k net worth of nothing. Are you saying they are one dimensionnal??? LOL. I got so much hate for saying that after major... Well, at least they prove me right. | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
man FNG outclassed the hell out of Fly | ||
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Latham
9560 Posts
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
Good for them making this far. Does anyone feel like the Chinese teams don't deal with drafting meta shift during tournaments well? Their execution and mechanics are top notch but they seem to fall off after a hot start these days. | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
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